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Mom gets photos of son missing for 24 years
CNN ^ | September 1, 2006 | AP

Posted on 09/01/2006 3:37:34 PM PDT by Btrp113Cav

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she's bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing her son and two other children bound and gagged.

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TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: gannon; gosch; governmentsexrings; iowa; jeffgannon; johnny; johnnygosch; kidnappings; missing; mostevil; pedophiles; perverts; sexrings; sexslavery; westdesmoines
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To: queenkathy

Our neighbor was a victim of horrific sexual abuse. Never told a sole, was an over acheiver, honor society, etc. she started having night terrors when she was a sophmore in college. Everything came out. It was her father that was abusing her, from the time she was 4. You would not believe the crazy things he had told her over the years to keep her quiet. They sound so ridiculous, but when you think of a young child hearing those things over and over, your heart breaks. BTW, she prosecuted her dad, he pled guilty and is in prison now.


101 posted on 09/01/2006 8:27:40 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: SuzyQue

When the brother was kidnapped it tore the whole family apart. When he finally returned to the family he could not adjust, Steven was killed in a motorcycle accident. His younger brother however was arrested for some terrible murders in Yosemite.


102 posted on 09/01/2006 8:29:54 PM PDT by panthermom
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To: All

This is the boy in the middle - he appears to have a scar on the left side of his chin (his left)
103 posted on 09/01/2006 8:37:51 PM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

The worst!


104 posted on 09/01/2006 8:40:45 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do succeed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: bonfire
www.rense.com...

The 'source' pretty much garantees it's BS.

105 posted on 09/01/2006 8:52:14 PM PDT by uglybiker (Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
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To: All

http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060831/NEWS/60831027/1001/ciml_central

~BEGIN SNIPPET~

Lt. Jeff Miller of the West Des Moines Police Department said Noreen Gosch received the photos on Sunday and brought them to the police department on Tuesday. Other people connected to the case also have reported receiving copies via anonymous deliveries and the Internet.

~END SNIPPET~


106 posted on 09/01/2006 9:30:49 PM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: All

The johnnygosch.com website is down due to high traffic volume but a substitute has been set up at:

http://www.ninjaproxy.com/cgiproxy/nph-proxy.pl/010110A/http/www.johnnygosch.com/

You can find the pics there, too.


107 posted on 09/01/2006 9:37:28 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Rte66

Michael Corbin (Colorado Radio Show Host - A Closer Look) is mentioned in this one. - read the excerpt below - it kinda sounds like another Karr/Tracey story. It is kinda odd that the Karr thing just happened and all of sudden this comes up. This was another big national case.

http://www.dmjuice.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060831/NEWS/60831027/1001/SPORTS0206

Police inspect possible Gosch photos

Corbin said Thursday he has been in contact over the past two years with a man who claims to have been another child kidnapping victim who broke away from a child-sex ring with Gosch. He said the man said his name is Jimmy Gibson and has told him he wants to speak publicly soon about their kidnappings after hiding out for years from abductors.

“In the times that he’s contacted me (via email), he’s never had a consistent email address,” Corbin said in an interview with the Register.


108 posted on 09/01/2006 9:44:49 PM PDT by stlnative (WARNING my post is most likely full of poor spelling & bad grammar which are all free of charge!)
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To: ableLight

From the first photo:

If you enlarge the photo you can see what looks like a black eye and a burn or rub injury just above the waistline on his left side.


109 posted on 09/01/2006 10:00:37 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Also, if you do a side by side and rotate the image so his face is upright, they do appear to be the same kid. Gosch had distinctive freckling on his nose that you can see in the B/W on closeup.


110 posted on 09/01/2006 10:05:29 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Btrp113Cav
"Gosch believes her son was taken by child pornographers. She told authorities he briefly contacted her in 1997 but feared for his life and declined to give details about where he was. She believes his abductors got him involved in crimes, which is why he is hiding his identity."

That poor mother.

WHY are they harassing her?
111 posted on 09/01/2006 10:11:20 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: stlnative

Thanks. I don't know of the Corbin person, but I know the rest of this story backwards and forwards.

Remember the hoax I told you I got involved with, along with many others, concerning the JBR case? This ties in with it 3 main ways (people-wise).

Sorry, I don't believe one word of any of it. Bush41, Bush43 and Karl Rove would not do any of the things this lying bunch of people have put out there to smear them.

There is an extension of the book which does involve a number of people I *do* know. They got some of that part mostly right, but that's because it's all from court documents -- then they took it off in another direction that was beyond credibility.


112 posted on 09/01/2006 10:25:09 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Shermy

#24 From your link:

"John and Noreen Gosch divorced in the mid-1990s. Since then, she has hired private investigators to hunt for her son, written a book called "Why Johnny Can't Come Home," and testified in a 1999 federal court case that her son visited her once in 1997. In that case - surrounding sex-ring allegations as part of the Franklin Credit Union scandal - Noreen Gosch testified that Johnny Gosch, then approximately 27 years old, appeared at her door with a man she had never seen before and stayed for more than an hour, detailing his breaking away from a human-trafficking ring."

Very strange!


113 posted on 09/01/2006 10:27:00 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Rte66

I think you're right about the credibility part. I don't think this is part of government pedophile ring; I think he was abducted by a very sick, dark person who is now either dead or is old enough not to care about getting caught. That's why she got the pics on her b/day. It was his sick way of giving her the gift of knowing what happened to her son. I think more will come out later.

I feel sorry for the mother; she's been through a hell I can't imagine.


114 posted on 09/02/2006 7:13:33 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: OldFriend

It was Yosemite.


115 posted on 09/02/2006 8:09:00 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: lastchance

Actually, it was Yosemite. I live near there and remember it vividly.


116 posted on 09/02/2006 8:12:08 AM PDT by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

Thanks, for the life of me I couldn't remember. Old age creeping up on me!


117 posted on 09/02/2006 10:28:14 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Btrp113Cav; txrangerette

"wasn't the head of the DHS into pedophilia?"

Btrp113Cav,
My guess is this is the case you're recollecting:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12227765/site/newsweek/

One "Bush-League" goofup at Homeland Security...
NEVER trust national security to Democrats...AND journalists!
Especially one that worked 25 years for TIME!!!!!


118 posted on 09/02/2006 10:49:04 AM PDT by VOA
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To: stlnative

Jimmy Gibson

JG

There seem to be alot of JGs mentioned on this thread. Gives me the creeps.


119 posted on 09/02/2006 11:33:38 AM PDT by katykelly (Iran? Darfur? Why does Europe always send us the bill?)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

My mistake. So much for late night posting.


120 posted on 09/02/2006 12:52:37 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Dog

Dear Sweet Jesus,

These people are so evil. There is a reason I haven't been posting much on this forum in the past few years. I believe that powerful people (Republicans and Dems) are behind an unspeakable, yet obvious evil. If this gets me ridiculed, accused of being a conspiracy theorist, or banned from this site, so be it.

Prayers for Noreen. Her nightmare...and that of her poor son...continues.


121 posted on 09/02/2006 2:31:40 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: Peach

Wow. That's pretty harsh considering you don't even know Noreen. You have no idea what she has gone through & is still going through. If my child was missing, I'd do all I could to find him. She's not trying to "sell a book". She's trying to keep this story out in the public eye. You would do no less for your child.


122 posted on 09/02/2006 9:40:11 PM PDT by lara
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To: lara

I agree. I think she is desperately trying to find out what happened to her boy. Sad.


123 posted on 09/02/2006 9:52:17 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Thank you. And the best way to do that is to use the media.


124 posted on 09/02/2006 10:04:30 PM PDT by lara
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To: lara

Most of the parents who've gone through this kind of thing will second that. Media exposure is crucial. Frankly, it is better than LE efforts. Sadly, even with broad national coverage many are never found.


125 posted on 09/02/2006 10:33:11 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: lara

Huh? If I thought my missing child was someone I'd seen on television, I'd contact that person ASAP. As far as I can tell, she hasn't done that. That's not a frantic mother; that's an opportunist.


126 posted on 09/03/2006 3:27:32 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Are you talking about Gannon? From what I've read the mother is not so sure that's him and from what I understand she has done just that; called the man. But she can't get a confirmation from him. What else can she do? Remember, even if she thought this theory about Gannon were bogus she would still check it out...and she did.

Any amount of exposure in the media is going to increase the odds of resolution. I seriously doubt the mother is making a fortune off of a book; if even making a living from it. But what she IS doing is she's getting word out about the case. Think about it.

I also seriously doubt she fabricated the pictures, so let's say she IS trying to write a book. Would she NOT report the pictures? Of course she would report it. Think about it.

If your child went missing and expert after expert told you that the key to resolution is media coverage, what would you do? Most people would probably write a book, do an interview, or whatever it took. Think about it.

We should all have our faith strengthened by this mother's 24 year witness and we would all be lucky to have a mother like that. Think about it.


127 posted on 09/03/2006 9:03:26 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

My understanding is that Gannon offered to take a DNA test; a link was posted up thread about it. It sounded like she didn't take him up on his offer but I'd have to go back through the entire thread to confirm that I read that correct; it was several days ago and perhaps I'm mistaken.


128 posted on 09/03/2006 9:56:44 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

I read in an interview I followed links to that the mother did indeed try to obtain DNA from this man and he has evaded her. She was told by a number of molested children/now adults that he is her son. Time will tell. I think I would have had a private detective obtain DNA or fingerprints on the sly. Hard to do with the man's shaved head and all though.


129 posted on 09/03/2006 10:03:27 AM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga

That was also my understanding; that the man was evasive. Given the weirdness of the claim and his evasiveness, I think the mother has done all we can expect her to do with that angle of her investigation.

I get the sense that she has her doubts about it but doesn't want to ignore the possibility, either.


130 posted on 09/03/2006 10:39:03 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: All

Something to ponder:

The Martin boy also of West Des Moines and abducted about a year later was also taken from his newspaper route. Brian Bleyl was abducted from his paper route in Phoenix, AZ in 1981. A man confessed to the murder of Brian Bleyl to 3 different people; stating that the boy had made a homophobic slur to him. The boy's bike was found right behind his apartment some 20 feet away and the boy was seen at this man's door. The man's name was Stephen Wilson.

Stephen Wilson died in December, 1993 of AIDS and was openly homosexual. He was 44 years old. In 1990 he was tried and acquitted for the murder of Brian Bleyl due to lack of evidence. The boy's body has never been found.

If an MO appears to be developing here, you can note that all the boys looked very similar. Another boy, Marc Allen, who looked very similar to the others was abducted from Des Moines in 1986. In 1989 another very similar looking boy was abducted at St. Joseph, MN by the name of Jacob Wetterling.

Of all the abductions of this very rare type, there were only about 90 throughout the United States from 1981 to 1991. Only about a dozen of them are similar in all respects to these.


131 posted on 09/03/2006 7:17:42 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

Some links on the Bleyl case:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/Issues/1994-01-05/news/news2.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bleyl_brian.html
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25380

Somebody *really* needs to check this out. Too much coincidence here.


133 posted on 09/03/2006 9:26:15 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

And one more:

http://www.childrensafetyzone.com/mikelle.biggs.folder/fire.wont.go.out.html


134 posted on 09/03/2006 9:27:41 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Peach

Now she's an "opportunist"? You're judging someone you have never met. Walk in her shoes a few days and then get back to me.


135 posted on 09/03/2006 9:52:09 PM PDT by lara
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To: ableLight

I was about to go to bed and then saw your posts. I think I'll be up for awhile. Thanks so much!


136 posted on 09/03/2006 9:54:13 PM PDT by lara
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To: lara

Sorry :-) Please do let me know if you find something else...


137 posted on 09/03/2006 10:00:31 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

You can count on it.. Thanks again.


138 posted on 09/03/2006 10:04:52 PM PDT by lara
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To: lara

BTW, another Gosch-Wetterling look-alike:

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/42dmco.html

He disappeared about one day's drive from Phoenix and Des Moines, directly on the land route between them. The road he was walking leads a couple miles up to a campground.

Here's a profile of another one:

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/34dmia.html

I think there's probably more.


139 posted on 09/03/2006 10:13:46 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: ableLight

You're amazing. You're not a PI in real life are you? I'd hire you. I hope the police worked as hard on this case as you have. Once again, thank you so much.


140 posted on 09/03/2006 10:23:28 PM PDT by lara
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To: lara

You have a missing child, think you see him as an adult and don't do everything you can to determine if it's indeed your kidnapped child - that's an opportunist trying to sell a book.


141 posted on 09/04/2006 4:26:21 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: lara

"You're not a PI in real life are you?"

Nah, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But seriously, I just did a google on missing children similar to those of the Gosch boy and it took about 30 minutes. So, I'd be pretty surprised if someone hasn't noticed this before. A boy kidnapped from a paper route in AZ should have stood out like an elephant in the living room.

But then again, maybe it wouldn't be so surprising that no one has looked at this. I wouldn't convict Wilson on what I know but I would certainly bet money that he is the culprit in the Gosch and Martin case.

Perhaps Noreen's theory about organized abduction isn't that far off either. I mean, if you look at the pictures whoever abducted these boys seemed to be experienced and organized. The bindings are very consistent in each case. The Gosch boy appears to have been kept for more than one day (most cases like this either end up as long term abductions OR the vitcim is killed within 3 hours). Also, note the burn mark on the Gosch boy at his left waistline. Stun gun? This seems a bit organized so it could be that Wilson was not acting alone or in isolation.

I'm going to look at other cases and verify what I've suspected; that there were in fact *very* few abductions that match the criteria of age, appearance, sex, geography and timeframe. I think the quoted statistic of 100 to 300 stranger abductions a year is misleading b/c most of those children are 16 or over and there are other circumstances involved in their disappearance.


142 posted on 09/04/2006 11:42:02 AM PDT by ableLight
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To: All

A Stephen Wilson timeline?

A pattern of 10 children all sharing similar characteristics and whose cases have similar MOs began in 1981 with Bryan Bleyl of Phoenix, AZ. This data was retrieved from the databases of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children online. There were no other abductions clearly matching this demographic and MO.

1.) On Feb 28, 1981 at Phoenix, AZ Briain Bleyl went missing. He was abducted from the roadway on his paper route. Stephen Wilson was indicted for his murder and tried in 1990. He was acquitted due to lack of evidence.
Link: www.ncmec.org

2.) On Sep 5, 1982 at West Des Moines, IA John David Gosch went missing. He was abducted from the roadway on his paper route.
Link: www.ncmec.org

3.) On May 8, 1983 at Lemon Valley, NV Anthony Bernard Franko went missing. He was abducted from the roadway. His appearance is similar to that of boy pictured in photo received by mother of Johnny Gosch.
Link: www.ncmec.org

4.) On Jun 16, 1984 at Klamath Falls, OR William Dale Gunn went missing. He was abducted from the roadway. His appearance is similar to that of boy pictured in photo received by mother of Johnny Gosch.
Link www.ncmec.org

5.) On July 11, 1984 at Hinsdale county, CO Christopher James Harvey went missing. He was abducted from the roadway. The road led a couple miles up to a campground and the site was exactly one day's drive between both Phoenix, AZ and Des Moines, IA.
Link: www.ncmec.org

6.) On Aug 12, 1984 at Des Moine, IA Eugene Wade Martin went missing. He was abducted from the roadway on his paper route.
Link: www.ncmec.org

7.) On March 29, 1986 at Des Moines, IA Marc James-Warren Allen went missing. He was abducted from the roadway.
Link: www.ncmec.org

8.) On Aug 14, 1986 at Myrtle Point, OR Jeremy Donald Bright went missing. He was abducted at or near the Coos County, OR fairground.
Link: www.ncmec.org

9.) On Oct 22, 1989 at St. Joseph, MN Jacob Erwin Wetterling went missing. He was abducted from the roadway.
Link: www.ncmec.org

10.) On Jul 25, 1991 Moscow Hills, MO Charles Arlin Leon Henderson at went missing. He was abducted from the roadway.
Link: www.ncmec.org

After this the pattern of similar aged boys of similar appearance, similar demographics (middle class to upper middle class families) with similar MO ends.

Stephen Wilson died of AIDS in December, 1993.


143 posted on 09/04/2006 1:24:15 PM PDT by ableLight
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To: Btrp113Cav

Bumping this -

I was watching FNC this morning and saw a commercial for Greta’s program tonight and I think it will be about this story.

Was listening to DC 101 this morning. This is all very fascinating. There seemed to be some confusion on whether she thought Jeff Gannon was her son or was the man who showed up with her son that night back in 1997. Apparently, she tried to stop her son from leaving that night and may have pulled hair out of the guy who was with him. That may be why she wants Jeff to get a DNA test.


144 posted on 09/07/2006 6:19:53 AM PDT by elc (Feeling the babywearing love)
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To: bgill
>>>>> "A pattern of 10 children all sharing similar characteristics and whose cases have similar MOs began in 1981 with Bryan Bleyl of Phoenix, AZ. This data was retrieved from the databases of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children online. There were no other abductions clearly matching this demographic and MO....." <<<<<

Very old thread but thought some postings may be of interest to you.

145 posted on 07/02/2010 1:30:33 PM PDT by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

Thanks. I was reading the http://www.johnnygosch.com story earlier today. It’s beyond horrible. Makes you wonder who’s sending the mother all the pictures and what is the motive. The individual is a very sick person or he/she (victim?) doesn’t have any other way of getting the evidence out. How disgusting the LE won’t follow through but good for the mother to keep demanding action.


146 posted on 07/02/2010 3:27:06 PM PDT by bgill (how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the POTUS)
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