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Mon. Night Football/New Orleans (Was anyone else bothered by some of this?)
self/Monday Night Football | 9/26/06 | LS

Posted on 09/26/2006 6:01:32 AM PDT by LS

I watched the full TiVo-d MNF football this morning, and was a little disturbed by some of the things that I heard.

First off, I rooted for the Saints. I like their team, and they are a classic "underdog" story. I hope they win every game until they lose to my Cowboys in the NFC Championship.

BUT . . . the message that seemed to come across---I could be wrong---was that football "was" the future of NO, that it was all the city had. Having Spike Lee in the booth didn't help, but beyond that, it seemed like the reconstruction of the SuperDome, which, I'm guessing, was done overwhelmingly with tax dollars was kind of the wrong message to be sending.

I could have missed it, but I didn't see the "success stories" being featured of the private companies that had come back (have any?) or the private-sector's successful rebuilding of communities. (They did mention Harry Connick, Jr.'s program, but didn't really focus on its success.

I guess my concern is that the underlying feeling was that if ALL a city has is a football team---no political leaders who can rally the public, no civic leaders who can create an atmosphere of confidence, and no entrepreneurs (aside from Emeril, who has done a whale of a job) who are creating jobs---then you don't have much.

Now, I do think it could be a reasonable business strategy to re-build from the "inside out," and bring back tourism, sports teams, restaurants, hotels, etc. But that would require something the MNF team didn't want to touch: the incredible corruption of Nagin and the LA scene, and the necessity of having a strong, reliable police force that will make tourists feel safe. (Last couple of times I was in NO, I did not feel safe.)

Am I making too much of this, or were others here troubled?


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: bush; football; katrina; neworleans; spiketheballnotlee
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1 posted on 09/26/2006 6:01:33 AM PDT by LS
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To: LS

Spike Lee in the booth bothered me.


2 posted on 09/26/2006 6:03:03 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: LS

I flipped it on for a few minutes to check the score, and I heard Spike Lee make some comment about "they didn't do enough". I turned it back to "Hannity & Colmes".


3 posted on 09/26/2006 6:03:36 AM PDT by TommyDale (Iran President Ahmadinejad is shorter than Tom Daschle!)
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To: LS

Aside from football, the only other thing New Orleans has is Texas.


4 posted on 09/26/2006 6:03:39 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: LS

Who won the game?


5 posted on 09/26/2006 6:04:02 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: LS

I just think that $185 million could have been better spent on fixing neighborhoods or levies then on the dome.


6 posted on 09/26/2006 6:04:32 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: LS

Prior to Katrina NO was one of the top ten tourist and convention destinations in the country. It'll be so again, although in a much different form.


7 posted on 09/26/2006 6:04:48 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LS

There were comments here last night.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1708269/posts

Sounds like it was a staged bash.


8 posted on 09/26/2006 6:04:56 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Fight Crime. Shoot Back.)
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To: LS

"the message that seemed to come across---I could be wrong---was that football "was" the future of NO, that it was all the city had."

Then you weren't paying attention. The focus was on the Super Dome, which has hosted the Saints, SuperBowls, the NCAA Final Four, and countless other events.

N'Orlans is a tourist city, and they need these events to attract people back to the city. That is what they were trying to say.


9 posted on 09/26/2006 6:05:05 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Fiscal Conservative, Social Moderate. Understand?)
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To: LS

I quit watching when Spke Lee showed up to pinm his wet dream crockumentary.


10 posted on 09/26/2006 6:05:22 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals: People whose relationship to reality appears to be somewhat tenuous.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
Aside from football, the only other thing New Orleans has is Texas.

I didn't know New Orleans ever had football.
11 posted on 09/26/2006 6:05:31 AM PDT by Kokojmudd (Outsource GM to a Red State! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: LS
I ended up turning it off by halftime. The game was ungodly boring and the announcers rah rah sis boom bah Non stop chatter about the city was totally annoying. If there hadn't been a bunch of people running around on the screen I would have never known there was a football game going on.

Note to ESPN, you are there to announce the action going on on the field, not be a 3 hour cheerleading political ad for the city of New Orleans.

12 posted on 09/26/2006 6:05:39 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: LS

It's my understanding that the NFL itself paid the majority of the refurbishing costs for the Superdome.

Also, there seemed to be a "don't get political" edict on the broadcast last night. Spike Lee even seemed to be muzzled. Interedtingly, GHW Bush was not booed, as I expected.

All in all, it was a true Disney production.


13 posted on 09/26/2006 6:05:42 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Smart is easy. Good is hard.)
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To: LS
was done overwhelmingly with tax dollars was kind of the wrong message to be sending.

Basically, yes. Last I heard, about $130 million came out of FEMA's budget...and not as a loan.
14 posted on 09/26/2006 6:05:46 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: LS

I refused to watch one second of that game. I am totally appalled that a penny of my tax dollars was spent on the Superdome while 200,000 homes in New Orleans are still without electricity and 100,000 are still living in FEMA trailers. All the resources and labor that went into fixing up a stupid football stadium and not homes, shops, and schools! It makes me sick, sick, sick!!!!!


15 posted on 09/26/2006 6:06:30 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Vote as if your life depends on it -- because it does!!!)
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To: JZelle

I turned the channel when I saw Spike Lee.


16 posted on 09/26/2006 6:07:07 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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pinm = pimp.


17 posted on 09/26/2006 6:07:19 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Liberals: People whose relationship to reality appears to be somewhat tenuous.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
The focus was on the Super Dome, which has hosted the Saints, SuperBowls, the NCAA Final Four, and countless other events.

Unfortunately, ESPN is a Sports network and the show was Monday Night FOOTBALL not Monday Night TOURIST ADS FOR NEW ORLEANS.

18 posted on 09/26/2006 6:07:33 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: LS

Sports teams actually do a good job of bringing a city together and generating lots of ancillary small business (aka jobs). This is why they get to suck at public trough so much.


19 posted on 09/26/2006 6:07:39 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: LS

Hooking up the whole NFL thing with Greenday and U-2 bothered me. I remembered why I never watch Monday Night Football. It's not football. It's totally self-congratulatory excess mixed with liberal sociology.


20 posted on 09/26/2006 6:08:46 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: LS

It seemed to be a well planned PR campaign to basically push the city of New Orleans. Now the ethics of that on a "football broadcast" I guess is up to personal choice. But it almost seemed like overkill. Of course there was a tinge of Bush has not done enough , even though his father did the coin toss.
People need to understand that with the devastation along miles and miles of gulf coast there are places that will take ten years to rebuild.


21 posted on 09/26/2006 6:09:23 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: LS

I'm another who turned the channel when Spike Lee was on...


22 posted on 09/26/2006 6:10:07 AM PDT by LRS
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To: LS
I have to say that I flipped on the pre-game show, to get a look at the Superdome and what they were doing in New Orleans, but I found that abysmal group Green Day playing some horrid song. I flipped back and forgot completely about the game the rest of the night.

It seems to me that either NO, or MNF, or whoever booked these "ACTS" did so very politically. Spike Lee and Green Day??????

23 posted on 09/26/2006 6:10:23 AM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: LS
Agreed, although I did not watch the game (my own son was playing JV Football, and his team won), I did see a lot of the pregame media. The answer to your question was 185 million dollars (most from FEMA) was spent redoing a dome that IMHO could have been used is local business reconstruction.

Although I concede that the dome could be a vital part of the rebuilding of the cities financial future, it cannot be the main part. Without local businesses, the tax base cannot be reestablished. Many of the jobs they touted are seasonal, or game day jobs only. Hardley a stable job.

24 posted on 09/26/2006 6:10:50 AM PDT by codercpc
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I agree with your comments. The game and the theme were pretty good in my opinion.


25 posted on 09/26/2006 6:11:03 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: LS
I guess my concern is that the underlying feeling was that if ALL a city has is a football team

The life blood of NOLA was tourism. The Superdome, for better or worse, housed events that brought massive numbers of people to the city ... Super Bowls, Final Fours, Sugar Bowl ... etc. They had to get it back up and running.

26 posted on 09/26/2006 6:11:04 AM PDT by tx_eggman (The people who work for me wear the dog collars. It's good to be king. - ccmay)
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To: LS
Spike Lee tried to make it political, but Joe Theisman shut him down pretty quick...other than that, it was cool.

George HW Bush got a nice response. :)

27 posted on 09/26/2006 6:11:07 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: LS

Kornheiser is a lib who tried desperately to get Spike Lee to bash Bush. Totally inappropriate.


28 posted on 09/26/2006 6:11:12 AM PDT by Jack Bull
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To: LS
NO's is a stinking, sweat-drenched, filthy, crime-infested, tax-welfare farm that shows the effects of liberal ideology and control. The majority of the city lies below sea-level, lies in the path of potential hurricanes, and is composed primarily of ramshackle poverty shacks, illiterate proletariat, illegitimate children, and victim mentality.

A word of advice. Don't live there. If you do, fend for stupid self, buy insurance and stop sucking money out of my wallet!!

29 posted on 09/26/2006 6:11:56 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: LS

I can't afford to rebuild my own house, but I can afford my NFL season tickets to the Saints. /sarc.


30 posted on 09/26/2006 6:12:06 AM PDT by LetsRok
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
N.O. spanked Atlanta bad; 23-3. I think the Saints just might be for real this year.
31 posted on 09/26/2006 6:12:40 AM PDT by no dems (I'll take a moral Mormon over a demonic Democrat or repugnant RINO anyday.)
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To: LS
I hope they win every game until they lose to my Cowboys Redskins in the NFC Championship.

There, fixed it. ;-)
32 posted on 09/26/2006 6:13:03 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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The music choices were,,,,,odd. I mean, when I think of the music of New Orleans, the first bands that come to mind are not U2(Ireland), Green Day(California), & Goo Goo Dolls(Buffalo, New York). What, they couldn't find any New Orleans musician?

Spike Lee is an overrated, smug, twit.


33 posted on 09/26/2006 6:13:03 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: LS
There was some black guy singing a song at the beginning. It was something like:

"Levies not built to code" blah blah blah.

Just another woe is me song about how no body cared about them, but "we overcame."

Once I saw that, I knew this wasn't going to be about football.

I heard our coach (Atlanta) say that they were secondary to the story.

My wife asked if we were throwing the game to let N.O. win. (Made me think of how the Patriots won after 9-11)
34 posted on 09/26/2006 6:13:42 AM PDT by Gvl_M3
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Saints, big.


35 posted on 09/26/2006 6:13:54 AM PDT by LS
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To: JZelle
"Spike Lee in the booth bothered me."

We turned the channel..there's nothing he can say that matters squat to me.

I was happy to see the dome back in shape, the team winning and everyone having a good time, yet you do bring up some good points.

The city motto, "Let The Good Times Roll" got them in mega trouble as they blew off Katrina until too late. Fun is great, but 'where's the beef?'. Pointing fingers and begging handouts doesn't get anything productive accomplished. IMHO of course.

36 posted on 09/26/2006 6:14:20 AM PDT by sweet_diane ("Trying to reason with hurricane season.")
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To: durasell

Will it be "a chocolate city," as Mayor Nagin says?


37 posted on 09/26/2006 6:14:22 AM PDT by LS
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To: kb2614
when I think of the music of New Orleans, the first bands that come to mind are not U2(Ireland), Green Day(California), & Goo Goo Dolls(Buffalo, New York).

Exactly, they interviewed Harry Connick Jr. on the sidelines - my first thought was "Ummm why is Harry one of the musical acts?" --- or maybe Dr. John and one of the bands from Bourbon Street, etc etc etc.

38 posted on 09/26/2006 6:15:05 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: LS
I guess my concern is that the underlying feeling was that if ALL a city
has is a football team---no political leaders who can rally the public,
no civic leaders who can create an atmosphere of confidence,
and no entrepreneurs (aside from Emeril, who has done a whale of a job)
who are creating jobs---then you don't have much.


I know it's an apples and oranges comparison...
But much of what you've said could go for depression-era Oklahoma.
With a Depression, dustbowl and about half the population leaving
in a westward exodus, a place and a populace can get desperate and
clutch on to certain icons in order to find meaning in their travails.

And (as my parents and grandparents tell me), it was University of
Oklahoma football that one of the Oklahoma governors used as a
"pump up the people" instrument. And partly, that accounts for the
storied (and sometimes sordid) history of OU football.

Hey, maybe you've got a start of another history book...about the
use/abuse of institutions by American politicians to rally sagging spirits
during tough times.

As for Spike Lee being snippy last night...I wish I'd had a TIVO running
the last time Mayor Nagin's mouth got him in trouble.
One of the sane NO councilmen/advisors appeared on TV and while
doing apologies for Nagin's tongue...he said what a GREAT job
President Bush had been doing to help NO.
I about had a heart attack.
39 posted on 09/26/2006 6:15:55 AM PDT by VOA
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To: LS

My wife asked me why the main musical attraction was two British groups and not an American group. My question was why they didn't have a Jazz band open the game. I was so embarrassed by the Brit fags attempt to sing "The House of the Rising Sun" that I left the room. I did not watch the half time show. I find all celebritry interviews to be annoying and would love for the NFL to stop the sideline chick reporting. My take is the commentators need to focus on the game and not on celebrities and their advertisements. Based on the report by Marshall Faulk, I think New Orleans is going to join Detroit as the incredible shrinking cities. The only thing that can truly save NO is for them to develop a two party system. Only then can they kill the poison of corruption that has killed economic prosperity in NO for the last 60 years. As regards Spike Lee I didn't even listen to him. Just another celebrity hawking his wares for free. Too bad they didn't actually interview anyone from NO, the story might have been different.


40 posted on 09/26/2006 6:15:59 AM PDT by tigtog
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I agree. I didn't see any bias, and I was looking for it. Lots and logs of fans holding up "thank you" signs. Interviewees not asking for government handouts, but instead asking for the tourists to come back and revitalize the economy. Honestly, it made me want to go to New Orleans.


41 posted on 09/26/2006 6:16:04 AM PDT by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: LS

It was quite a production. I was thinking of how much the temptation must have been to work the outcome for a happy ending.


42 posted on 09/26/2006 6:16:15 AM PDT by D.P.Roberts
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To: LS

The pre-game crud made me turn off the whole thing!

The Saints have never been a TEAM and have lost 346 games, a fine example of what a city is all about!


43 posted on 09/26/2006 6:16:31 AM PDT by tiger63
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To: LS

It'll be a shopping mall.


44 posted on 09/26/2006 6:16:33 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: commish

That should have been "Why ISN'T Harry one of the Musical Acts"


45 posted on 09/26/2006 6:16:51 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: Doc Savage

"If you do, fend for stupid self, buy insurance and stop sucking money out of my wallet!!"

I assume you have the same advice for people who live in places like Gulfport, the Outer Banks, tornado alley, or on the San Adreas fault?


46 posted on 09/26/2006 6:16:52 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: hawkaw

Unfortunately, our fellow FReepers attempt to politicize everything about N'Orlans.

So what if Spike Lee was in the booth? Big deal.

It was a great night for the city and the fans. I loved the U2/Green Day cover of "The Saints Are Coming".


47 posted on 09/26/2006 6:17:29 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Fiscal Conservative, Social Moderate. Understand?)
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To: commish
"Note to ESPN, you are there to announce the action going on on the field, not be a 3 hour cheerleading political ad for the city of New Orleans."

Amen. And it's doesn't stop there--ESPN has gotten more and more "involved" politically for a while now. CNN had a roundtable of sorts with 4 radio talk show hosts a week or two ago that I flipped by that had some ESPN pundit moaning about the war in Iraq.

48 posted on 09/26/2006 6:17:47 AM PDT by Sam's Army (Imagine a world without car commercials.)
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To: LS
it seemed like the reconstruction of the SuperDome, which, I'm guessing, was done overwhelmingly with tax dollars was kind of the wrong message to be sending.

It was mostly money from FEMA.

49 posted on 09/26/2006 6:18:50 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: LS
I watched the game as well and listened to some of the commentary. My feeling was that they are taking a play out of the democratic play book and trying to reinvent history. Last year they were 3-13 and the two previous years they were 8-8. The media hype is acting like the Saints fans are as loyal as the Cheeseheads or Raider-maniacs. They lost their basketball team, wont have a hockey team or a baseball team and all they have left is football and are acting like Charlie finding the last golden ticket to the chocolate factory.

Just my observation and opinion.

50 posted on 09/26/2006 6:19:35 AM PDT by OW LA ME UH ME GO (What goes here? Can you actually read this?)
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