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Severely disabled girl 'kept small'
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| November 02, 2006
Posted on 11/01/2006 4:38:55 PM PST by Piefloater
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To: SoldierDad
Hardly anyone takes the Hippocratic Oath these days. The specific promise you refer to was, "I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone." Obviously that was violated in this case.
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posted on
11/01/2006 8:32:34 PM PST
by
T'wit
(Due to Original Sin, the lesser of two evils is the only choice we've ever had. Vote GOP!)
To: T'wit
Yeah, I guess. Please let everyone know who this doctor or doctors are so we can avoid using their services.
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posted on
11/01/2006 8:38:37 PM PST
by
SoldierDad
(Proud Father of a 10th Mountain Division 2nd BCT Soldier fighting in Mahmudiyah)
To: Petronski
I have a serious question for those of you who support this. Would you feel the same way if parents applied for this treatment for a quadraplegic child of normal intelligence? The reasoning for such a step would be exactly the same that the child is completely reliant on the parents and the parents would find it increasingly more difficult to care for the child as he grew bigger and might have to bring in outside caretakers to help.
It seems to be perfectly acceptable with everyone mainly because the child is mentally retarded.
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posted on
11/01/2006 8:45:06 PM PST
by
Elyse
To: adiaireton8
The family that I knew had a child just like that, who lived to be 12 years old, until they took him to the hospital because his bowels were not functioning and their efforts to relieve the situation were not working. This had happened many times before, but this time the doctors refused to help, saying that it was time to let him go. The mother had seldom left the house for those eleven of those twelve years, but the family never forgave the doctors. Fortunately for them, the child never grew to normal size, but my neighbors now, have a son that will soon be too big for his mother to lift and care for the way she has. What will she do then?
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posted on
11/01/2006 8:46:06 PM PST
by
Eva
To: SoldierDad
The article refers to "...doctors Daniel F. Gunther and Douglas S. Diekema, both at the University of Washington in Seattle..." I have no idea who they are but their works speak for them.
As a rule of thumb, avoid "bioethicists" or doctors who are even on speaking terms with bioethicists. They are in same business as Drs. Mengele, Cranford and Kevorkian.
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posted on
11/01/2006 8:51:37 PM PST
by
T'wit
(Due to Original Sin, the lesser of two evils is the only choice we've ever had. Vote GOP!)
To: Elyse
Small point:
I have a serious question for those of you who support this...
I, Petronski, do NOT support this, so mind your pronouns if you're replying to me.
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posted on
11/01/2006 8:59:03 PM PST
by
Petronski
(CNN is an insidiously treasonous, enemy propaganda organ.)
To: Elyse
It seems to be perfectly acceptable with everyone mainly because the child is mentally retarded. Precisely. You've nailed it. Severely mentally retarded children can have their growth stunted, their organs removed and their limbs removed (so long as it is done painlessly), because they are not going to use them anyway, and they are not going to know that they have been physically altered. People who think like this have equated personhood (and the rights that come with personhood) either with intelligence or with 'quality of life'.
-A8
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posted on
11/01/2006 9:01:43 PM PST
by
adiaireton8
("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
To: adiaireton8
What disease, exactly, is this procedure treating? None. It facilitates the care necessitated by her developmental disabilities, and (WRT hysterectomy) prevents needless pain and hemorrhaging.
The procedure is in fact disabling what *is* functioning, not treating what is not functioning.
Some people have their wisdom teeth taken out, not because they are "not functioning", but because they can cause problems later.
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posted on
11/01/2006 9:10:00 PM PST
by
Sloth
(The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
To: leda
I certainly admire your devotion to this substrata of our society. However, it might appear as a social Dem agenda. Just curious what makes you so devoted?
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posted on
11/01/2006 11:26:28 PM PST
by
phantomworker
(If you travel far enough, one day you will recognize yourself coming down the road to meet yourself.)
To: GovernmentShrinker
If your mind was permanently stuck at an infant's cognitive level, you wouldn't care what size you were or why. However, this child sounds likely to be able to perceive the difference between being cared for by loving parents and being put in an institution to be cared for by a revolving cast of shift-workers. That was going to be the choice if she grew to adult size. Aging parents aren't necessarily able to lift a 150 pound person in and out of a super-crib, in and out of the bath, in and out of a car, etc. **************
You make some good points. I thank God I have not had to make the kind of decisions these parents have.
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posted on
11/02/2006 5:30:19 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: T'wit
That's fortune telling. Doctors are no better at seeing the future than anyone else. Indeed, how many times have we seen patients confound the prognoses of medical specialists? Neither can anyone foretell what new treatments will be available in the future. Medical advances in recent years have been utterly astounding. But it's too late for this child. The doctors have stunted her and sterilized her. They have done irreversible damage to her.************
I suspect if I were the parents of this child, this would be my reasoning. There is always hope.
Yet they have my sympathy.
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posted on
11/02/2006 5:34:11 AM PST
by
trisham
(Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
To: trisham
>> Yet they have my sympathy.
Yes, of course. But I have no sympathy for the bioethics committee that dreamed up this plan to deform the child. It was they, surely, who made the decision. Mom and Dad would never have thought to do it or would even have known that it was possible.
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posted on
11/02/2006 6:27:18 AM PST
by
T'wit
(Due to Original Sin, the lesser of two evils is the only choice we've ever had. Vote GOP!)
To: trisham
You make some good points. I thank God I have not had to make the kind of decisions these parents have.This really is a heart wrenching story about bioethics. I also thank God I have not had to walk in these parents' shoes. And I admire those people who can devote their lives to caring for them, they are truly saints.
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posted on
11/02/2006 6:51:34 AM PST
by
phantomworker
(If you travel far enough, one day you will recognize yourself coming down the road to meet yourself.)
To: Petronski
No, I'm sorry just didn't change it to all. :)
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posted on
11/02/2006 6:51:46 AM PST
by
Elyse
To: adiaireton8
You confuse ethics with usefulness.
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posted on
11/02/2006 7:13:55 AM PST
by
Chickensoup
(If you don't go to the holy war, the holy war will come to you.)
To: merry10
And the child in your example. Most deaf people would want to hear if they could. It's not the same.
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posted on
11/02/2006 7:15:56 AM PST
by
RockinRight
(Maintaining a Republican majority is MORE IMPORTANT than your temper tantrum.)
To: Elyse
I answered this above -- a child of normal intelligence will mentally age as well as physically age, and thus will have the capacity to consent to medical procedures or withhold consent.
When a person will develop the capacity to consent or withhold on his/her own, the decision should not be made by the family.
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posted on
11/02/2006 9:48:00 AM PST
by
cammie
To: adiaireton8
That's not at all what people are saying, but you have been unable to see what people are saying, so go ahead, stick with your agenda.
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posted on
11/02/2006 9:49:01 AM PST
by
cammie
To: wagglebee
"This is sickening!"
Not as sickening as your conmstant carping and holier than thou arrogance.
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posted on
11/02/2006 9:54:00 AM PST
by
verity
(Muhammed is a Dirt Bag)
To: verity
I assume you think the better solution would simply be to kill her?
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posted on
11/02/2006 9:57:36 AM PST
by
wagglebee
("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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