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Accused pastor admits he bought meth
NBC News ^ | 11-3-06 | NBC

Posted on 11/03/2006 11:32:59 AM PST by dogbyte12

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals.

"I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Haggard, 50, said he never had sex with Mike Jones, a 49-year-old Denver man who raised the allegations this week. Haggard said he received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel.

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To: penelopesire

"Is the guy running for office or something? I heard Rush talking a bit about it, but still don't get why MSNBC is making a big deal out it!!"


Because he is a Christian Pastor and any cheap shot they can take at a Christian leader is not to be passed by.


101 posted on 11/03/2006 12:12:01 PM PST by BLS (You'll never know why you're alive until you know what you would die for.)
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To: middie
I don't know the guy. I am saddened though and find no joy that he may have done this. We are all sinners though. If true, he needs to do the honorable thing, and come clean, apologize and then accept the consequences of his actions. Suicide isn't honorable.
102 posted on 11/03/2006 12:12:06 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: penelopesire

Another reason this story is out there is to depress the evangelical vote. I've already had to preach to a relative about this.


103 posted on 11/03/2006 12:12:10 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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To: dogbyte12

104 posted on 11/03/2006 12:12:12 PM PST by Revelation 911
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To: dirtboy
Right up there with "I smoked it but never inhaled."

My thougth exactly.

105 posted on 11/03/2006 12:13:31 PM PST by It's me
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To: dogbyte12
“He has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation,” the e-mail stated.

Willingly, as in when there is no other way out. So, he's still being paid, too.

106 posted on 11/03/2006 12:14:08 PM PST by Ruth A. (we might as well fight in the first ditch as the last)
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To: BLS

"Because he is a Christian Pastor and any cheap shot they can take at a Christian leader is not to be passed by."

Of course that is part of why the press is doing this and all the more reason why we should not care! My disgust for the media has now hit an all time low!!


107 posted on 11/03/2006 12:14:28 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: MineralMan
Perhaps he gave it to someone else who used it, in exchange for ???

I think you might just have something there.

108 posted on 11/03/2006 12:14:51 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (What's E85?????)
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To: penelopesire

Can someone tell me why this story matters? Is the guy running for office or something? I heard Rush talking a bit about it, but still don't get why MSNBC is making a big deal out it!!

________

They think it will keep those crazy "evangelicals" at home for the elections, since they'll be so disheartened.

The probably think all the Christians will sit around in sackcloth on a pile of ashes and speak in tongues instead of voting. After all, that's what "they" do, isn't it?


109 posted on 11/03/2006 12:19:08 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: penelopesire

"Can someone tell me why this story matters? Is the guy running for office or something? I heard Rush talking a bit about it, but still don't get why MSNBC is making a big deal out it!!"

I was wondering the same thing. Who is this guy and why do I care if he picked up a male prostitute.


110 posted on 11/03/2006 12:23:53 PM PST by Southerngl
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To: 50sDad
half a dozen people who looked to this man as an inspiring example of Christ are now sullen, disappointed and lost.

C'mon, it's way more than that. More people will now mock and reject the Word of God than ever tuned into his show.

I refuse to believe that God wants His ministers to be Rolexed and blow-dried and silk-suited on TV, milking pious little old ladies of their life's savings. This guy, and most like him, are of the Devil.

-ccm

111 posted on 11/03/2006 12:26:42 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

"Perhaps he gave it to someone else who used it, in exchange for ???
I think you might just have something there.
"

Yup. I might. Now, what could you trade meth for? I'm guessing sex. Lots of hookers use meth.

This is just an ugly little story. Will it get uglier? Nope. Haggard's headed for the rehab clinic for a month or so, just like all the other public figures who mess up. By the time he gets out, this will all have been replaced by some other scandal.

The folks who are really suffering in this ugly mess are those in the congregation of this tool's church. They've been listening to this man on the pulpit. They believed what he said. Now? Well...they're going to have to rethink. Some will lose their faith over this stupid idiot's inability to control whatever it is he can't control.

As you can see, I'm a non-Christian, but many people I love dearly are Christians, and stories like this make me want to puke, to be quite frank.

I met Billy Graham once. I got to talk to him for about 15 minutes. Now, there was an evangelical Christian about whom there was never a hint of scandal. He wouldn't even meet with a woman without a third person present. He did not want to even have anyone able to say that there was even a whisper of scandal about his life.

He was a rare man. He was a terrific speaker. He was a genuinely decent man of religion.

Sadly, many others in his profession are not as he was.


112 posted on 11/03/2006 12:26:44 PM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: MineralMan

And he would have been the first to tell you that he was not without sin.


113 posted on 11/03/2006 12:31:03 PM PST by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: MineralMan
The folks who are really suffering in this ugly mess are those in the congregation of this tool's church.

And his fellow, to use the term loosely, preachers. Many people see this story and it gives them fuel to their theory that all big church preachers are phoney.

114 posted on 11/03/2006 12:31:10 PM PST by Lijahsbubbe (What's E85?????)
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To: dogbyte12

Exactly.


115 posted on 11/03/2006 12:36:32 PM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: rightinthemiddle

"The probably think all the Christians will sit around in sackcloth on a pile of ashes and speak in tongues instead of voting. After all, that's what "they" do, isn't it?"


LOL(that was funny) Oh well...I am going back to find the WMD threads and the sad sacks over at the NYT and the IAEA.....


116 posted on 11/03/2006 12:37:41 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: Frapster

Yes, Graham would have said that. No doubt he sometimes had the sin of pride, or of anger, or of one of the many ways people fail. He didn't fall prey to the sins of the flesh, though, I'm pretty sure.

It was a real pleasure to talk with him. I found him to be a brilliant man, and a humble one, too.


117 posted on 11/03/2006 12:39:36 PM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

"Many people see this story and it gives them fuel to their theory that all big church preachers are phoney."

That's a pity. Some of them, no doubt, are phoney, but I'm sure not all.


118 posted on 11/03/2006 12:40:29 PM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: dogbyte12
He is an important religious figure in this country.

Doesn't say much about the state of religion here, does it?

119 posted on 11/03/2006 12:42:13 PM PST by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: P-Marlowe; jude24; blue-duncan

I posted an article about the NAE not too long ago, and it had to do with some liberal position or democratic party support that they had announced. I knew they had gotten on the wrong track.

It's interesting how this comes out right before the election, and it's a liberal EVANGELICAL who is at fault.

That needs to be pointed out clearly.

At the same time, even after we become Christian, the flesh can defeat us. "The things I want to do, I don't; and the things I don't want to do, I do. Who shall deliver me from this body of death? I thank God for my Lord Jesus Christ."

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us."


120 posted on 11/03/2006 12:44:39 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: blue-duncan
I might get caught short there along with toilet paper.

Yep. Absolutely! Nothin' worse than short toilet paper.

In the army we learned the art of leaves and woodcraft.

121 posted on 11/03/2006 12:48:51 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: MineralMan

He would also be the first to tell you that sin is sin before God.


122 posted on 11/03/2006 12:54:01 PM PST by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: Frapster

I have no doubt of it. I never heard Graham say anything that wasn't fully supported by scripture. I always considered him to be among the Christians who were the most loyal to the teachings of Jesus.

He was very gracious to me, an atheist. I met with him during the period when I was meeting with as many religious leaders as I could. I had an eye on writing a book about religion. I never wrote it, but I got to talk to some very famous religious leaders.

I wrote Billy Graham a letter, asking if I could have 15 minutes of his time while he was in Los Angeles to ask him a couple of questions. I explained that I was an atheist, who was writing a book about religion in general.

He was kind enough to agree to meet with me, and we had a very good conversation. I asked my questions, and he responded clearly and directly to them. He inquired as to the reasons for my atheism, and I answered him. He nodded and told me that he hoped I'd return to Christianity some day, but didn't preach at me.

He also had a firm, friendly grip in his handshake. He was a man worthy of anyone's trust, I am certain.


123 posted on 11/03/2006 1:00:21 PM PST by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: dogbyte12

"He admits it's himself on the tape ordering "more" meth like the last time, but says that he keeps ordering it and not using it, and that Jones just gave him a massage.
I believe him. Not."

A very common behavior that goes with the addict/alcoholic is lying.

I expect he is lying. Likely to himself, his family, the media, his followers, etc.

Expect an announcement he will go to a rehab clinic.


124 posted on 11/03/2006 1:03:05 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: CindyDawg
An acerbic remark expressing a frustration at the all too frequent hypocrisy found among those with excessively fervent ideological orientation and who are prone to the condemnation of anyone with a differing opinion or view of a subject open to controversy. We find them within the clergy, the political parties, on the floor of Congress, in the White House and here on FR.

Strongly held political or religious beliefs are a wonderful aspect of our culture that have been long expressed in our society without fear of retribution from official sources. The reverse side of that coin of freedom is what I view as the intelligent, humane and courteous act of listening, rather than viscerally reacting, and engaging rather than erupting with vituperative and pejorative responses. Yet, the very men and women who react in that detrimental fashion seem to be in the majority among those eventually found in their hypocrisy.

125 posted on 11/03/2006 1:08:57 PM PST by middie
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To: MineralMan

I have always been a firm admirer of Billy Graham. I have never met him.

I went to church with Teddy Haggard when he was in highschool and have kept up with him through the years although the last time I saw him face-to-face was at least 20 years ago. It was at his father's funeral. Because of the callousness being demonstrated in the forums (what's new) I'm sure I'll regret sharing that. But the Teddy I know is a good man. He has demonstrated his humanity and the frailty associated with that terrestrial status. I would never have equated him with Billy Graham and I don't intend to do that now. Nor do I intend to besmirch Mr. Graham's character in any fashion. He is by all accounts a man we should all strive to emulate.

I guess I shouldn't speak for Mr. Graham so I'll stop doing that. For me personally - there but for the grace of God go I as far as Teddy is concerned. He will certainly bear the consequences of his actions in ways I cannot imagine. But the only thing he deserves from me is grace and forgiveness. It's what I've received from God - I can do no less.


126 posted on 11/03/2006 1:20:20 PM PST by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: xzins

Fridays are good. We don't have to make sense. Kind a like an extra sabbath.


127 posted on 11/03/2006 1:21:54 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: dogbyte12
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
From New Life Church
Colorado Springs, Colorado

Rev. Ted Haggard, Senior Pastor of New Life Church, stated today that he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations made on Denver talk radio this morning." He, therefore, placed himself on administrative leave, pending investigation, spiritual counsel, and a decision by the church's board of overseers.

Pastor Haggard said, "I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity. I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date. In the interim, I will seek both spiritual advice and guidance." Under the governing structure of New Life Church, there is a board of overseers consisting of four senior pastors of other congregations. Those overseers have authority to conduct an inquiry, to discipline the senior pastor, to remove him from his position, or to restore him to ministry.

The overseers of New Life Church are: Rev. Larry Stockstill, Senior Pastor of Bethany World Prayer Center, in Baker, Louisiana; Rev. Mark Cowart, Senior Pastor of Church For All Nations in Colorado Springs; Rev. Tim Ralph, Senior Pastor of New Covenant Fellowship in Larkspur, Colorado; and Rev. Michael Ware, Senior Pastor of Victory Church in Westminister, Colorado.

In the interim, New Life Church Associate Senior Pastor, Rev. Ross Parsley, will serve as Acting Senior Pastor of the church. Rev. Parsley has served in senior ministry positions at New Life Church for fifteen years. Rev. Parsley requested the community's compassion and prayers for the person who came forward with accusations, for the Haggard family, and for the New Life Church community. He also said, "New Life Church long ago adopted an overseer model of governance for situations just like this. People need to be patient and allow this process to unfold as it was designed to do."

Pastor Haggard also resigned today as President of the National Association of Evangelicals.

http://www.newlifechurch.org/nlcpressrelease110206.pdf


128 posted on 11/03/2006 1:41:33 PM PST by XR7
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To: penelopesire

"Of course that is part of why the press is doing this and all the more reason why we should not care! My disgust for the media has now hit an all time low!!"


My disgust with television in general had gotten pretty bad. Then to watch FOXNEWS over this past year drift left, I stopped watching tv news altogether. Soon after that, one of our local tv stations broadcasted the "prideparade."

I turned my cable off the following day.


129 posted on 11/03/2006 2:08:23 PM PST by BLS (You'll never know why you're alive until you know what you would die for.)
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To: shield; DarthVader; Marysecretary; DAVEY CROCKETT; Alamo-Girl

Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
= = = =

Absolutely.

I don't have trouble calling a spade a spade.

But every shred of hautiness and self-righteousness needs removed, first.

Otherwise, the judgmentalism WILL come back to haunt EVERYONE guilty of it REGARDLESS of how guilty the target person was, or not.

FACE IT, FOLKS . . .

ALL OF US . . . every last one of us . . . have plenty in our past genetics and conditioning--in addition to being simply born into a sin polluted world--such that

IF GOD CHOSE,

HE COULD ENGINEER ANY VARIETY of CIRCUMSTANCES

to bring out the worst in us . . . EQUAL TO OR WORSE THAN that of any of the folks we hear about in the news.

IT IS !ONLY! HIS !GRACE! that prevents us being the person in the news.

We like to think we are smarter than the average bear.
We like to think we are more righteous than the average bear.
We like to think that our used Kotex works of righteousness make us immune to such news paper articles.
We like to think that it will ALWAYS be the other guy caught in such stupid hideousness.

'Tain't necessarily so.

All God has to do is adjust circumstances sufficiently . . . a little tweaking of the Godly computer program here and there . . . and cess pool mud would be on all our faces by turns.

ONLY HIS BLOOD redeems any of us from any and every thing. And we earnestly must endeavor to cooperate with His ongoing cleansing else the skeletons in our personal and family history will have their way, regardless of our good INTENTIONS.


130 posted on 11/03/2006 3:06:08 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: SittinYonder

How does this happen?

[satire alert]

What unique sinful attitudes and willful wicked horrors in his life make him so much worse than !ME! . . .

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

It's that very very very rare human phenomenon

P R I D E.

I realize that no one on FR has any such.

I realize that our snobbish priggy-ness is just because we're so saintly . . .

But if someone really wants to know how to go from no newspaper articles to such an article as this . . . the route is

P R I D E . . .

All God has to do is step back and allow satan to tweak it a bit here and there over time . . . and almost all of us are capable of about anything.


131 posted on 11/03/2006 3:09:28 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: dogbyte12
I believe him. Not.

After reading his latest statements, neither do I.

Yes, there but for the Grace of God go I, however, this man should not be brought back...after rehab, etc...to lead his church. When he does face up to the truth and truly repents, he needs to get humble, get a regular job, and prove himself to God, his family, and fellows.

These statements are preposterous in light of what we know. I believe he is lying still...it's the old "I didn't inhale" and "I didn't have sex (depending on the meaning of the word "sex") with that..."

As for the gay escort failing the lie detector test, according to the article, the one who administered it said the results may be off because the subject was over tired, etc. There may be another test done next week. The fact that the accuser agreed right away to a test is telling...he felt he had nothing to fear.

It's a tawdry situation, but at least the majority of conservatives on this forum aren't defending the guy's behavior and are rightly suspicious. That's the BIG difference between the majority of conservatives vs. liberals. Conservatives don't condone such behavior. Yeah, we'll forgive, but only IF the sinner is repentant and tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothin but the truth.

132 posted on 11/03/2006 3:35:18 PM PST by demnomo
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To: Quix
How does this happen?

Yes, pride - and moreover, ego.

133 posted on 11/03/2006 4:04:51 PM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: HAL9000

True.

I think I tend to see ego in that sense as a subset of pride.


134 posted on 11/03/2006 6:44:48 PM PST by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: dogbyte12

I hope he's arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Possessing illegal drugs is a grave crime in this country that should not go unpunished.


135 posted on 11/03/2006 7:37:57 PM PST by Nate505
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To: Nate505

"I hope he's arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Possessing illegal drugs is a grave crime in this country that should not go unpunished."

He would have to have the drugs in his actual possession. He will not be prosecuted for saying that he did possess drugs at an earlier time.


136 posted on 11/03/2006 7:44:28 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777
I know, but it would be nice to see it anyway, just to see the message it would send to the children.

Because messages to the children are important, at least that's why we in Colorado are supposed to be against the Amendment to legalize an ounce of pot here.

137 posted on 11/03/2006 7:58:55 PM PST by Nate505
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To: P-Marlowe

Thank you for that Scripture. An excellent text at any time, and very relevant here.

I bet Catholics in America are glumly saying to themselves ... thank God this one is not a priest!


138 posted on 11/03/2006 8:33:23 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Quix

Indeed. Thanks for the ping!


139 posted on 11/03/2006 10:14:00 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: dogbyte12

He DID repent and ask for forgiveness in a letter written to his church. My heart breaks for him. I'm sure he's devastated at his own failures. We pray for him. Any one of us is capable of the vilest sin. Remember, satanists and liberals pray for the destruction of pastors and evangelists. Wouldn't it be nice if Christians prayed FOR them for protection against these things.


140 posted on 11/06/2006 7:39:18 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: penelopesire

Because he's an evangelical Christian who has fallen. They LOVE to bash us.


141 posted on 11/06/2006 7:40:39 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Amen. You are absolutely correct.


142 posted on 11/06/2006 7:42:43 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: SittinYonder

He said he had been struggling with the gay problem all his adult life. We need to be very careful of judging here. It could happen to anyone, even our kids. Judge not that ye be judged. I take it seriously these days.


143 posted on 11/06/2006 7:46:15 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: twigs

I believe God is shaking up our government and our church. We've been playing church too long. He's letting his ministers know that they can't get away with this stuff.


144 posted on 11/06/2006 7:49:37 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: Frapster

Good for you. He's just a man and mankind sins. We're born with a sin nature. I'm sorry he had to wrestle with the demons in his life and pray that this will help him overcome them. He's in our prayers daily. Love, Mxxx


145 posted on 11/06/2006 8:11:42 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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