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Breaking: Press release regarding Ted Haggard
New Life Church ^ | 11/04/06 | staff

Posted on 11/04/2006 2:16:36 PM PST by loreldan

We, the Overseer Board of New Life Church, have concluded our deliberations concerning the moral failings of Pastor Ted Haggard. Our investigation and Pastor Haggard's public statements have proven without a doubt that he has committed sexually immoral conduct. The language of our church bylaws state that as Overseers we must decide in cases where the Senior Pastor has "demonstrated immoral conduct" whether we must "remove the pastor from his position or to discipline him in any way they deem necessary."

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To: shuckmaster
I need enlightening and have determined that you should be the enlightener.

Towards that end, will you tell me what behavior to expect from those pro-evolution non-idiots who try to "smarten up" our schools?
51 posted on 11/04/2006 2:51:09 PM PST by pilipo
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To: Mr. Brightside
I really don't think the bank will have a thing to worry about unless the church is full of meth breathing homosexuals. The elders did exactly the right thing. Now it remains to find a Godly pastor to lead them.
52 posted on 11/04/2006 2:51:33 PM PST by pepperdog (I hate the lying MSM)
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To: Dante3
Wasn't Robb the governor of Virginia at the time and he did NOT resign?

I believe his massage from Ms. Tai Collins happened when he was in the Senate. He didn't resign, and was reelected.

53 posted on 11/04/2006 2:52:00 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: loreldan

I have never felt so deeply sad like this before I feel as if someone took a knife and stab me in back i hope and prey that god will take care of this ):


54 posted on 11/04/2006 2:52:15 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Saving West Virginia from 70 years of Democrat rule)
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To: My2Cents; All
What's it matter if its "heinous" or not?

I'm a little disturbed by the over-focus on the homosexual aspect.

Seems he committed adultery, solicited and purchased illegal drugs, apparently hired a prostitute. All the stories care about is the gender-aspect.

Why not emphasize these moral failings with equal vigor?

Nope, it's all been about homosexuals which will cause the point and scope of the behavior to be lost and dismissed by too many while the Left notch another "hypocrisy" sacking.

55 posted on 11/04/2006 2:52:39 PM PST by newzjunkey (Arnold-McClintock / YES 1A, 1E, 83, 85, 90 / San Diego: NO A / YES B & C)
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To: loreldan

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56 posted on 11/04/2006 2:53:36 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Saving West Virginia from 70 years of Democrat rule)
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To: shuckmaster
Yes, and as you could expect from that type of person, one of those anti-evolution idiots trying to dumb down our schools

Haggard was a creationist? Another reason to dislike him...
57 posted on 11/04/2006 2:55:47 PM PST by jonesboheim
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To: safisoft
Don't receive an accusation against an elder, except at the word of two or three witnesses.

Any reason you over-looked this part?

58 posted on 11/04/2006 2:55:50 PM PST by newzjunkey (Arnold-McClintock / YES 1A, 1E, 83, 85, 90 / San Diego: NO A / YES B & C)
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To: Revolting cat!

Imagine being married to the sicko and his poor children


59 posted on 11/04/2006 2:57:06 PM PST by mel
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To: USArmySpouse

"They did the right thing. I'm struck by how compassionate yet firm they seem to be."

I agree. They CANNOT, nor would they want to, leave him in a position of leadership after his sin and utter hypocrisy have been exposed. The whole country is watching. But they won't really shun him either because at the end of the day, we Christians know that we are ALL sinners and in need of daily forgiveness. They care enough about him and about his repairing his relationship with God and his own family that they won't abandon him. We all know how easy it is to get caught up in sin, whether it's the little things no one ever finds out about or the bombshells that rock the entire country. If his church is truly made up of God's people, as I suspect it is, they will want nothing more than to see Reverend Haggard get back on the narrow path with Him. They will be there to help with the healing. I feel so sorry for ALL of the people involved. I hate that this has made Satan's day. And it deeply saddens God. Of course, He doesn't want or need someone deliberately and repeatedly sinning from the safe cover of the pulpit. That is blasphemous. God has known what the pastor was up to all along; maybe the timing of this revelation was exactly according His purposes. He will not be mocked.

Sorry, waaaay off your topic. Prayers for the reverend, his family, the church/communtiy, and the impact the Democrats will hope this has on the election.


60 posted on 11/04/2006 2:58:21 PM PST by TXBlair (Fort Hood Loves the 4th ID!)
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To: loreldan

Call them Overseers, or Elders. they did the right thing. Of course the Main Stream Media will report this church discipline in thier papers with the relish they did the sorrid details of the original story?
Well one for two is not bad.
Prayers for Haggard and his wife. I am sure they will need a time of healing and hopefully he gets the counseling he needs and Mrs Haggard gets the counseling she needs and the kids too if necessary.
The thing to keep in mind is that sin is sin in the eyes of God. Whether its stealing bubble gum form the store or committing a homicide. All believers are under the same standard. But Pastors have a higher standard of accountibility because of the leadership role of a pastor. and this was the proper move.


61 posted on 11/04/2006 2:58:29 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: safisoft


I meant they didn't notice there was a problem, address it privately and pray with him for a change before things got public and nasty.


62 posted on 11/04/2006 3:00:09 PM PST by Mrs.Z
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To: Dante3

Yeah, but Chuck 'twarn't no preacherman, Fur Shur.


63 posted on 11/04/2006 3:02:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: pepperdog

You are right on all counts.

But I would bet that attendance is down this week and that collections will be down even more.


64 posted on 11/04/2006 3:03:36 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Rio
"the Overseers will continue to explore the depth of Pastor Haggard's offense so that a plan of healing and restoration can begin."

It's wonderful that they see him as capable of being restored, but they have the cart before the horse here; he cannot be healed until he is ready to confess the sins. They can't do it for him.

65 posted on 11/04/2006 3:04:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Mr. Brightside

I disagree. I bet attendance is through the roof. Alot of people will go the church wanting an explanation. If not satisfied the attendance will drop, but I bet there will be 10 TV news crews in the parking lot and a packed house on Sunday.


66 posted on 11/04/2006 3:05:03 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Dallas59

The massage guy didnt inhale.


67 posted on 11/04/2006 3:05:21 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: muawiyah

No, he was a US Senator who passes laws, even more reason to be concerned about his character.


68 posted on 11/04/2006 3:06:09 PM PST by Dante3
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To: loreldan

Don't worry Pastor Haggard. There's still the Episcopal Church.


69 posted on 11/04/2006 3:07:14 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: dogbyte12

Attendance up and offering down. I guess on the check memo you could write for "meth and sex for ted"!


70 posted on 11/04/2006 3:07:35 PM PST by chalkfarmer
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To: Dante3
If, as he said, he was there in the hot tub with

and nothing happened, he should have been hauled off to the rubber room at Bethesday Naval.

71 posted on 11/04/2006 3:08:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
They need to flay the hypocritical pervert alive! I wish I could be as forgiving as God is, but, I ain't! There are no excuses for what he did, none, zilch, nada! I've been hungry, I've been horny, we all have, but most of us don't betray the faith, just put this sorry POS aside, I don't want to hear his excuses!

There's no excuse for what Haggard did but your response is less than Christlike. And if you can't forgive as God forgives neither can you receive forgiveness.

Don't judge this man prematurely. None of us fully know the extent of our own inward depravity under the right circumstances and apart from the grace of God.

I can't fathom homosexuality personally but as a person who labored for years under the yoke of sexual sin (as well as anger that was a subterranean rage), I know that it is a cruel taskmaster that cannot be broken through sheer force of will.

72 posted on 11/04/2006 3:13:14 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Paulus Invictus
One wonders what brings it on....

Satan is alive and well and whenever a preacher falls from grace, he gets more powerful.... :-(

73 posted on 11/04/2006 3:13:36 PM PST by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: mel
Imagine being married to the sicko and his poor children

My heart breaks for them. And if he's been taking crystal meth, he really is in the depths of hell.

74 posted on 11/04/2006 3:16:47 PM PST by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Paulus Invictus; .30Carbine; Alamo-Girl; wagglebee
It's not an excess of money, it's a LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY.
75 posted on 11/04/2006 3:17:06 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Prost1

Would you accept Pasture Haggard?


76 posted on 11/04/2006 3:18:10 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: muawiyah
If, as he said, he was there in the hot tub with [plowboy bunnie - ed.] and nothing happened, he should have been hauled off to the rubber room at Bethesday Naval.

First of all, he was supposed to go to the rubber room before [plowboy bunnie - ed.], but if nothing happened with [plowboy bunnie - ed.], he wouldn't have needed to go the the rubber room in the first place!

77 posted on 11/04/2006 3:19:54 PM PST by Erasmus (Whatever bloats yer shoat!)
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To: dogbyte12; pepperdog

You both may be right- the congregation may be mature enough to get through this.

I guess it depends on how many people were following the pastor and how many were following God.


78 posted on 11/04/2006 3:20:30 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mrs.Z

"address it privately"
He admits he bought dope. Period. The church has no power at all to cover up what may be a felony. Even if both God and the church 'forgives' him, he must be be liable under the law for all crimes. Worse of all, he admits something which is a crime, but denies gay sex, which is probably legal!


79 posted on 11/04/2006 3:21:30 PM PST by gb63
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To: StoneWall Brigade

Stonewall, God is still in control. Man can, and will often, fail. But the church did the right thing in this case, which is a good witness.

Nonetheless, this is going to hurt a lot of people. Things like this always do. We need to pray the Lord's comfort and protection over the sheep. satan's plan always has been to strike the shepherd so that the sheep would be scattered. But even if they are, the Lord promises to gather His sheep and shepherd them Himself -p.:


7"Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD: 8As I live, declares the Lord GOD, surely because my sheep have become a prey, and my sheep have become food for all the wild beasts, since there was no shepherd, and because my shepherds have not searched for my sheep, but the shepherds have fed themselves, and have not fed my sheep, 9therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD: 10Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will require my sheep at their hand and put a stop to their feeding the sheep. No longer shall the shepherds feed themselves. I will rescue my sheep from their mouths, that they may not be food for them.


11"For thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I, I myself will search for my sheep and will seek them out. 12As a shepherd seeks out his flock when he is among his sheep that have been scattered, so will I seek out my sheep, and I will rescue them from all places where they have been scattered on a day of clouds and thick darkness. 13And I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land. And I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the ravines, and in all the inhabited places of the country. 14I will feed them with good pasture, and on the mountain heights of Israel shall be their grazing land. There they shall lie down in good grazing land, and on rich pasture they shall feed on the mountains of Israel. 15I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I myself will make them lie down, declares the Lord GOD. 16I will seek the lost, and I will bring back the strayed, and I will bind up the injured, and I will strengthen the weak, and the fat and the strong I will destroy.[a] I will feed them in justice.


17"As for you, my flock, thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, between rams and male goats. 18Is it not enough for you to feed on the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the rest of your pasture; and to drink of clear water, that you must muddy the rest of the water with your feet? 19And must my sheep eat what you have trodden with your feet, and drink what you have muddied with your feet?


20"Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD to them: Behold, I, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. 21Because you push with side and shoulder, and thrust at all the weak with your horns, till you have scattered them abroad, 22I will rescue[b] my flock; they shall no longer be a prey. And I will judge between sheep and sheep. 23And I will set up over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he shall feed them: he shall feed them and be their shepherd. 24And I, the LORD, will be their God, and my servant David shall be prince among them. I am the LORD; I have spoken. -ez 34


80 posted on 11/04/2006 3:31:34 PM PST by Paul_B
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To: Recovering_Democrat
I think I'll go vote DEMOCRAT. Oh, wait, they WORSHIP the people who are sexually immoral. Never mind.

Nice summary of the situation.

81 posted on 11/04/2006 3:38:57 PM PST by syriacus (Got a moment? The election prayer thread's at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1731268/posts)
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To: loreldan

Well this article is fine and good but the unanswered question is how long did Bush and this administration know about this kook's indiscretions and why didn't they act on it when they first knew about it?????????? /sarc


82 posted on 11/04/2006 3:42:37 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (I was just thirteen, you might say I was a musical proverbial knee-high...)
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To: newzjunkey

They are probably focusing on it because the homo aspect to it makes it all the more unusual and worse than hetero adultry. They are reporting the news. This is news.


83 posted on 11/04/2006 3:44:22 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Rome2000
Thats what happens when anybody can put up a sign and declare themselves a "Pastor" Most of these big guys are crazy crooks in it for the money, their "flock" are a few slices short of a full loaf themselves.

That's unfair. As a Catholic, I'd never heard of this guy, but by all accounts he was a reputable, decent fellow until the Devil got a hold of him. How many priests who underwent rigorous seminary training have turned out to be chicken hawking homosexuals? We should pray for Haggard, his family, and also especially his congregation. I know lots of Catholics who've had their faith shaken (look at what happened to Rod Dreher) by the slimeballs we've got in our hierarchy, and so here I go quoting Bill Clinton, "I feel their pain."

84 posted on 11/04/2006 3:49:04 PM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: loreldan

I hope this means he finally told the truth. I groaned when I heard his latest statement about phoning for meth, at least twice, and getting a massage and was tempted, but... Looks like he probably broke down and got honest with the Lord and his fellows. The church is doing the correct thing.

Yes, we all fall far short and are sinners, however, the Bible is pretty exacting about its leaders. If he hadn't been caught, (no matter what the circumstances, he is still to blame for his choices, actions and excuses) he would have hypocritically continued to preach while hiding his sin. In the long run, not getting caught would have been a terrible thing for him to do to himself and his church and would eventually bear bad fruit.

If I were a Colorado voter, it wouldn't change my mind one iota. Those who are for or against same sex relations/marriage won't be swayed. Somehow, I don't think there are that many undecided voters who would vote for it just because some foolish, prideful preacher got caught. At least I hope not.

Prayers for him, his family, and fellow Christians. It's a humbling experience for them (and me) no doubt about it.


85 posted on 11/04/2006 3:49:21 PM PST by demnomo
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To: Mr. Brightside

It is very possible that attedance will increase as people hear of a church that will not put up with immoral behavior of their pastor and will expose the Pastor and the church in the public eye.

This church has integrity. They handled it perfectly.


86 posted on 11/04/2006 3:50:40 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (This space for hire...)
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To: loreldan
I don't know this guy or his congregation at all. I'm a recently minted Protestant myself. I like a small congregation, warm, open Pastor, one who has a sense of humour, but who is vehemently attached to the Church as Scripture. All that said, all people are plagued by conflicting desires, and pastors and priests are no different. As a Catholic, and in the main, there were only two kinds of priests that I was acquainted with: those who were not serious men, who would commune those they knew were living together outside of marriage, who would say things like, 'hey, it's the movie-star' because you were wearing sunglasses; someone who is neither a serious man nor priest. The other sort of priests I was acquainted with were those that were very, very orthodox. They were cold, detached and unapproachable. Neither of these sorts were able to help me sort through dilemmma, in fact, they usually made things much worse, especially the orthodox guys because they had nothing of substance to offer. They didn't know about or how to love. The priests I liked the best, Fr. Wrigley and Fr. Rich, are not priests anymore. Fr. Wrigley married a woman with four children, God bless his enormous heart, and Fr. Rich took Christ more seriously than he took the Church, and apparently couldn't find the peace he needed to remain, but he was the most loved of all the priests we'd ever had.

Priests are naturally more detached from their parishoners because they are placed on a pedestal, they are set apart.

OTOH, a Protestant minister is very connected to his congregation. The first Church I attended following my break with Catholicism was a very tight, little Presbyterian Church. The Pastor and his wife invited me to dinner the first Sunday I attended. I never took advantage of their offer because I got caught up in doctrinal doubt, etc, and became paralyzed by it. In retrospect, I'm thinking it was normal to descend into that doubt, based on my particular situation. But, I'm sorry I didn't take them up on their offer to have dinner, because it probably would have helped me.

Anyway, here's a piece from Mark Driscoll's blog. This Pastor is an ex-Catholic, and he's had his share of controversy too, because he cusses a bit, and he tells it like it is. Those are not disadvantages to me, they are pluses (the tell it like it is part, anyway) and he's done a great job of planting Chuches. Here it is:

Of course the media is having a field day with the scandal, particularly since Haggard’s home state of Colorado is on the brink of a highly charged political vote regarding homosexual rights. It will likely take weeks to untangle the truth in all of this very devastating news. In the meantime, let us pray that his wife and five children will be loved and supported through this incredibly difficult time. The horror they must be experiencing is likely unbearable.

As every pastor knows, we are always at risk from the sin in us and the sinful temptations around us. Pastoring in one of America’s least churched cities to a large number of single, young people has been an eye-opening experience for me. I started the church ten years ago when I was twenty-five years of age. Thankfully, I was married to a beautiful woman. I met my lovely wife Grace when we were seventeen, married her at twenty-one, and by God’s grace have been faithful to her in every way since the day we met. I have, however, seen some very overt opportunities for sin. On one occasion I actually had a young woman put a note into my shirt pocket while I was serving communion with my wife, asking me to have dinner, a massage, and sex with her. On another occasion a young woman emailed me a photo of herself topless and wanted to know if I liked her body. Thankfully, that email was intercepted by an assistant and never got to me.

My suspicion is that as our culture becomes more sexually rebellious, things will only get worse. Therefore, as a means of encouragement, I would like to share some practical suggestions for fellow Christian leaders, especially young men:

The only way to stay away from sin is to stay close to Jesus. Colossians says that we are prone to making a lot of rules but that if we don’t deal with the issues in our heart, we are fooling ourselves; holiness cannot be obtained by the sheer force of white-knuckled will power. More than anyone, a Christian leader needs time with Jesus in repentance, for their own soul and not just to make them a better leader or teacher. Death comes to every Christian leader who goes to Jesus and Scripture for purely functional and not relational purposes.

Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either.

Every pastor needs a pastor. Too often the pastor is seen as a sort of little God and his wife as some glorified First Lady. Every pastor needs a pastor with whom he can regularly have accountability and the confession of sin. Every pastor’s wife also needs a godly woman chosen for her maturity and trustworthiness.

No church should tolerate sexual sin among its leaders. Christians cannot be guilty of playing plank-speck with non-Christians on matters of pornography and homosexuality and be guilty of going soft on sin in their own leadership. As Paul says, nothing can be done out of partiality or favoritism.

Pastors should have their office at the church and their study at home. There is no reason a pastor should be sitting alone at the church at odd hours (e.g., early morning and late evening) to study when anyone can drop in for any reason and have access to him. Instead, a pastor should come into the office for scheduled meetings and work from home on tasks such as emails, planning, studying, sermon preparation, etc. I spend the vast majority of my time working from home. Some years ago when I did not, I found that lonely people, some of them hurting single moms wanting a strong man to speak into their life, would show up to hang out and catch time with me. It was shortly thereafter that I brought my books home and purchased a laptop and cell phone so that I was not tied to the church office.

Pastors have the right to protect their own home. This means that if someone keeps dropping by unannounced and is unwelcome, or a flirtatious woman shows up to a Bible study at the pastor’s home, the pastor and his family have the right to request that they never return. The pastor’s home simply cannot be viewed as yet another piece of church property that is accessible to anyone who desires it. Rather, the pastor’s home must be a safe place for the pastor and his family without the wrong people rudely calling and dropping by.

Churches should consider returning to heterosexual male assistants who are like Timothy and Titus to serve alongside pastors. Too often the pastor’s assistant is a woman who, if not sexually involved, becomes too emotionally involved with the pastor as a sort of emotional and practical second wife. I have been blessed with a trustworthy heterosexual male assistant who can travel with me, meet with me, etc., without the fear of any temptations or even false allegations since we have beautiful wives and eight children between us.

Pastors need to protect their email and have it screened for accountability. For me, this means that no email but an email from one of our pastors comes directly to me. This also means that I leave my email account open at home and my wife regularly checks it to get schedule information, etc., because I have nothing to hide. I also do not have a secondary email account from which to build a secret identity.

Pastors need to carefully protect their cell phone number. If that private number gets out, too many of the wrong people have access to the pastor. Not only should the cell phone number of a pastor be given out to only a few people, he should also consider eliminating his voicemail and simply have calls forwarded to his assistant. In this way people will not become too informal with the pastor and if the pastor knows someone is trouble (e.g., a flirtatious woman), he can see that on his caller ID and simply refuse to answer the call or have to deal with a voicemail.

Pastors must speak freely and frankly with their wives about their temptations. Without this there really can be no walking in the light and sin always grows in darkness.

Pastors must not travel alone; the anonymity and fatigue of the road is too great a temptation for many men. A pastor should take his wife, an older child, an assistant, or fellow leader with him. If this cannot be afforded then travel should not be undertaken.

Any pastor who is drifting toward serious sexual sin should have the courage, love for God, devotion to his family, and respect for his church to simply fall on his sword and resign before he goes down in flames. He must get the professional help he needs without fear of losing his position as a pastor. It is much better to be an honest Christian than a wicked pastor.

Lastly, the big issue is a love and fear of God. Only a man really knows his heart and whether or not he loves and fears God above all else. Without this a man will fail to live for God’s glory, and it is only a matter of time. In conclusion, I say none of this as moralism. Indeed, this is a deeply rooted gospel issue. How can we proclaim that our God is a faithful Trinitarian community if we are not faithful to our marriage covenant and family? How can we say that the same power that raised Christ from the dead lives in us if we have no holiness in our life? How can we proclaim that we are new creations in Christ if we continually return to lap up the vomit of our old way of life? How can we preach that sin is to be repented of if we fail to model that ongoing repentance? How can we say that God is our highest treasure and greatest joy when we trade Him for sin that defiles our hands and defames His name?

I do not know the guilt or innocence of Haggard. But I do know that this is a sobering reminder to take heed of, lest we fall

The leadership here looks like its doing its job, which at this point, is the most important thing. The reason the Catholic church took such a blow to its moral authority during the pederast scandal has less to do with perverted priests mucking about, than amoral bishops who became prone and had no regard for the young males in their care. No regard whatsoever! That's what did them in; their willful attachment to the path of least resistance which allowed them to reassign these priests, and their stupid 'zero tolerance' conference following the outbreak of the scandal, so how you handle a situation like this really matters.

When all is said and done though, the theology of the Cross is where you should be at, and that includes this Pastor. To sin is human, to forgive enormously hard, but Divine, and it's what were called to do.

87 posted on 11/04/2006 3:52:50 PM PST by AlbionGirl (Labs are God's dogs; except for Blue, I think he's the other guy's dog.)
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To: GOP Poet

I live in Colorado Springs and have attended New Life on a number of occassions...the community here is reeling from this and the homosexual population here has been dancing a jig and attacking ALL Christians as hate-filled homophobic bigots...there is such a hurtful divide going on right now and I am DISGUSTED with Ted Haggard, just disgusted!


88 posted on 11/04/2006 3:53:56 PM PST by quiet_reverie (http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/19476/donna.html)
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To: Paulus Invictus
One wonders what brings it on, but excess money seems to be a thread binding it together.

Money and crowd adoration. Anyone who has given a speech (even in a classroom setting) that won the crowd over to their way of thinking knows how very satisfying it can be. It must be very hard for pastors of mega-churches, who face crowds of thousands, to control the most human flaw of self-importance. Pride will eat you alive. King David did far worse. May he sincerely seek forgiveness, and be forgiven. He is diminished forever.

89 posted on 11/04/2006 3:54:55 PM PST by FlyVet
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To: pollywog
actually , they have handled this in a Biblical manner.

Did they need to point out that his sins were also of a sexual nature? I'm troubled by it. The man has a wife who's got to be hurting. Shouldn't it have been her decision to make the nature of his sins public? Wouldn't buying illegal drugs from a prostitute - information which was already public knowledge - have constituted sufficient grounds for his removal? Did they need to get more specific with their reasons for his dismissal?

I don't have the answers, I'm just putting the questions out there.

90 posted on 11/04/2006 3:58:26 PM PST by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: plain talk
Looking back, this pastor's behavior could have raised suspicion. He drove 60 miles north to Denver, stayed in a hotel to write. Why? He worked in a beautiful facility with huge windows facing Pike's Peak. He probably has a nice home office too -- point is, he lived and worked in one of the most beautiful places in the USA, where "America the Beautiful" was written and he has to go to a Denver hotel to write. Doesn't make sense. I pray for his family.
91 posted on 11/04/2006 3:58:59 PM PST by ElmoMobito
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To: old and tired
Pastor Haggard and his wife have been informed of this decision. They have agreed as well that he should be dismissed and that a new pastor for New Life Church should be selected according to the rules of replacement in the bylaws.

That process will begin immediately in hopes that a new pastor can be confirmed by the end of the year 2006. In the interim, Ross Parsley will function as the leader of the church with full support of the Overseers.

A letter of explanation and apology by Pastor Haggard as well as a word of encouragement from Gayle Haggard will be read in the 9:00 and 11:00 service of New Life Church.

There will be a big crowd tomorrow to hear the letter and apology tomorrow at church.

92 posted on 11/04/2006 3:59:37 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: Mr. Brightside
I would hate to be the bank that holds the mortgage on that church building.

From what I know about these kinds of situations, this church will be divided by those with various opinions on what happened, what was done, and how Haggart (everybody drop the word "Pastor", please) should now be treated.

Churches split all the time over silly little things. I am skeptical this church will do well in absorbing this body blow. If I were the banker with this loan, I would be very worried.

93 posted on 11/04/2006 4:10:44 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant (Colorado: the original Red State.)
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To: WalterSkinner
Three rules for healthy church leadership--

1. Accountability
2. Accountability
3. Accountability


Make that six rules:

1. Avoid making massage appointments with gay prostitutes.
2. Don't buy meth from gay prostitutes.
3. Don't claim that you never met the gay prostitute and then admit that you did.
4. Accountability
5. Accountability
6. Accountability
94 posted on 11/04/2006 4:12:18 PM PST by HaveHadEnough
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To: Paulus Invictus
I agree. To me, these "mega-churches" are more about making money than instilling and nurturing faith.

In my opinion, it is more spiritually healthy to belong to a relatively small congregation. I know every single person that goes to my church, and my pastor personally knows all of us.

That level of familiarity is impossible to achieve with a church of 14,000 members. I think there is something seriously wrong if it is possible for you to bump into a complete stranger on the street only to realize that you actually go to the same church.

Church is about community. I draw just as much spiritual strength from other members of my congregation as I do from my pastor. We are all there to support each other. When you don't even know all of the other members of your congregation, there is something wrong.

I think many of these "mega-churches" almost border on idolatry. It's almost like they aren't worshipping Christ, but rather are idolizing the charismatic preacher at the podium.
95 posted on 11/04/2006 4:12:57 PM PST by Balke
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To: loreldan

Its the problem with celibacy. If only they would let them marry these sexual sins would not happen.


96 posted on 11/04/2006 4:13:34 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (It looks like one of those days when one nuke is just not enough-- Lt. Col. Mitchell, SG-1)
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To: loreldan

If this were the Episcopal Church, not only would they be unable to discipline him, he would probably be bishop material.


97 posted on 11/04/2006 4:23:17 PM PST by kaehurowing
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To: Balke

I'm with you. If you look at the church website, the band appears to be the focal point. Many of these churches seem to want to be clubs of some sort.....entertainment is what counts. Bring the people in, no matter what you have to compromise.


98 posted on 11/04/2006 4:24:14 PM PST by doubtfire
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To: Balke

I agree. I do not like these "Six Flags Over Jesus" type of churches either.


99 posted on 11/04/2006 4:28:36 PM PST by Timbo64
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To: Rosemont

Meaning?


100 posted on 11/04/2006 4:32:16 PM PST by wayoverthehill
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