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Libertarians, Please GO AWAY
Vanity ^ | 11-08-06 | Me

Posted on 11/08/2006 10:24:16 AM PST by Keltik

At this link: http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

Neil Boortz is quoted as saying: "So how did I actually vote when I got that provisional ballot in my hand. Straight Libertarian."

Thank you Neil Boortz. Thanks to you and those who think like you, we now have the Democrats in control of Congress. I hope you and your ilk are very happy.

Free Republic is allegedly a CONSERVATIVE web site. Will you libertarians please go somewhere like Lucianne.com, where you can laugh and smile about how you put the Republicans out of power, and leave Free Republic to the conservatives.

Oh, and one more thing.

Neil Boortz -- GO TO HELL.


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To: Zionist Conspirator
"...one of the prime purposes of government is to enforce G-d's laws and restrain man's evil inclination..."

Ever read the Declaration of Independance? You know, the document our country was founded on?

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — "

The purpose of government, here in the US anyway, is to secure the inalieanable rights of the people. Funny, I can't seem to find anything about enforcing God's laws and restraining people's evil inclanation. But perhaps you need your evil inclinations restrained.

401 posted on 11/09/2006 2:35:53 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Ever read the Declaration of Independance? You know, the document our country was founded on?

Yes. But unfortunately for you, Thomas Jefferson didn't create the universe.

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — "

The latter part is of course pure mythology. Government did not begin as a free contract among sovereign individuals who voluntarily entered into a "social contract" to secure the "rights" that were theirs from "the state of nature." Locke and the others simply had to pretend this was the case in order to change the current systems. But however useful it may be, it's still a myth. Funny how the people who depend on it are the same ones who insist that Ezra wrote the Torah and then "retrojected" it into the days of Moses!

The purpose of government, here in the US anyway, is to secure the inalieanable rights of the people. Funny, I can't seem to find anything about enforcing God's laws and restraining people's evil inclanation.

The Declaration of Independence isn't the "DNA" of the Universe. The Torah is.

But perhaps you need your evil inclinations restrained.

Funny, but I kind of had the idea that the most rational rationalist defended locking people up or even executing them under certain conditions. How does the mere absence of a Creator and Ultimate Meaning make such measures magically more "humane?" Do the convicts being raped / people being fried in the electric chair derive comfort from reflecting in their final moment of agony that "the universe is a closed system of causes and effects?"

"Reason" can excuse anything that religion can, including torture (as Alan Dershowitz has demonstrated). But it cannot (contrary to "rationalist" dogma) create or sustain objective meaning where none exists.

Any more admirers of Locke/Jefferson/Hume/Smith/Voltaire/Rousseau want to try to shame or horrify me by calling me "un-American?" I'll simply smile and say "d@mn right!"

I'm a Theocrat! You can't insult me by calling me what I am!

402 posted on 11/09/2006 3:31:14 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

No, you are a loon.

Everytime you open your mouth, the world's IQ drops a point. You are loon squared. You are loon to the tenth power.

Your looniness has caused bridges to collapse, ant infestations, and crop circles.

When you open your mouth, people in mental institutions rattle the bars with joy.

They all hum the same song: "the latter part is pure mythology."

You have to be a professor of something, to be that dumb.


403 posted on 11/09/2006 3:39:51 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"But unfortunately for you, Thomas Jefferson didn't create the universe."

Yes, but he did found our country, along with others. The universe is large; perhaps you should find another space?

"The latter part is of course pure mythology."

The Declaration of independance is mythology???

Either you are a public teacher, or a moron.

404 posted on 11/09/2006 3:45:14 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Always nice to know that as long as you don't believe in G-d you can call someone any name you please.

I hope all our "torturers" at Guantanamo are atheists. That takes all the unpleasantness out of the experience, I hear.

405 posted on 11/09/2006 3:48:02 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"The Declaration of Independence isn't the "DNA" of the Universe. The Torah is."

The only person talking about the DNA of the universe is you.

Nutjob.

406 posted on 11/09/2006 3:51:37 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Ah, now I know.

You are a sleeper Freeper, coming out of the woodwork.

nite.


407 posted on 11/09/2006 3:53:48 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Nutjob.

I seem to recall there being a rule against "personal attacks," but since you don't believe in G-d that makes you automatically a "reasonable" person who simply cannot be guilty of any such sin. Only religious people go around calling people names.

But I'm glad you're calling off the childish ping pong game. It was never going to change either of our minds.

408 posted on 11/09/2006 3:57:04 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Never read my tagline, did you.


409 posted on 11/09/2006 3:59:19 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'm a Theocrat! You can't insult me by calling me what I am!

Historically, we've had our experiences with theocrats, and found it necessary to make explicit provisions against them.

410 posted on 11/09/2006 4:02:57 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: MonroeDNA
Never read my tagline, did you.

Yes. I'm sorry you're unable to read mine.

Good night.

411 posted on 11/09/2006 4:03:56 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: tacticalogic
Historically, we've had our experiences with theocrats, and found it necessary to make explicit provisions against them.

Naturally. Just because the universe is one gigantic meaningless coincidence doesn't mean we can't make up arbitrary standards of "right" and "wrong" and then enforce them on others, right? It's only tyrannical if a theoretical Creator of the Universe does it.

I've been here since '99, people. I've heard them all. I can't change your mind, you can't change mine. I'm sorry if you feel some sort of biochemical compulsion to post to this thread nevertheless merely to insult me.

412 posted on 11/09/2006 4:10:36 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: Keltik

I blame myself for not doing enough. /Sigh


413 posted on 11/09/2006 4:11:44 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I'm sorry if you feel some sort of biochemical compulsion to post to this thread nevertheless merely to insult me.

You say you are a Theocrat, and don't feel insulted by being called one, and then wail about being insulted. You are one odd little duck.

414 posted on 11/09/2006 4:18:41 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
You say you are a Theocrat, and don't feel insulted by being called one, and then wail about being insulted. You are one odd little duck.

I wasn't called a "Theocrat." I was called a "nutjob." (I know, you're sterling response is "what's the difference?") I'm sorry that I don't understand why people who don't believe in G-d have special permission to call people with whom they disagree such names, but it seems to apply as much to "individualist" Jefferson-worshipping atheists as it does to Rosie O'Donnell.

Libertarians must have an awful lot of time on their hands. They hang around for hours to make post after post after post that ultimately says nothing more than "nyah-nyah."

415 posted on 11/09/2006 4:30:46 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I wasn't called a "Theocrat." I was called a "nutjob."

My response was strictly to your own description of yourself as a Theocrat.

If one person calls you a "nutjob" and you proceed to assume that you have been insulted not only by that person, but every other person you subsequently encounter, you're pretty much making their case for them.

416 posted on 11/09/2006 4:39:03 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Libertarians must have an awful lot of time on their hands. They hang around for hours to make post after post after post that ultimately says nothing more than "nyah-nyah."

Theocrats must have an awful lot of time on their hands. They hang around for hours to make posts like -- "-- one of the prime purposes of government is to enforce G-d's laws and restrain man's evil inclinations --".

Gotta love the irony of posting anti-constitutional "nyah-nyah" on a site dedicated to constitutional restoration.

417 posted on 11/09/2006 6:32:44 PM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Okay, we've heard from tpaine. Who's next? Dhume? Jjrousseau? Voltaire? Robespierre?

I'm sure if a few more of you take the time to insult me you will change my mind.

C'mon, this is important! We're only at 400+ posts. We need a few more hundred more that make no point whatsoever other than to tell me I'm wrong. The sheer number of posts alone will eventually do the trick.

I think it's about time for Carolina Guitarman to make the mutually exclusive claims that 1)the world has no meaning and 2)an absolutely objective moral standard nevertheless exists.

418 posted on 11/09/2006 6:45:59 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: tacticalogic
If one person calls you a "nutjob" and you proceed to assume that you have been insulted not only by that person, but every other person you subsequently encounter, you're pretty much making their case for them.

A perfectly valid point. My apologies.

One poster (name not recalled) simply decided to engage in a childish game of "I got the last word in!" (granted, this would stop if I would stop participating so I also share the blame here).

For what it's worth, libertarians and atheists/agnostics are not the only persons who do this. Just a week or so ago a couple of Fundamentalist Protestant chr*stians did the same thing, continually responding to my requests for proof of their beliefs with an almost celebratory fideism--and they absolutely refused to stop! They were compelled to merely post over and over that "I know I'm right!" Just please be aware that this attitude is a foible of common humanity and is not limited to Fundamentalist Protestants, chr*stians (I am not a chr*stian), or even religious people in general. Even "rationalists" can do it.

Now, to change the subject and hopefully put an end to the little game of dozens we've got going on here, let me say something that it is just possible you and I might agree on. On another thread about Rosie O'Donnell I made the point that Western leftists who look on America's native Heartland Fundamentalists as subhuman monsters even when they do nothing but simply believe what they do will look the other way, excuse, apologize for, and defend the most heineous acts if it is committed by a member of a group which they arbitrarily define as "the other." Even if you share Ms. O'Donnell's lack of religious beliefs I trust you are disgusted not only by her economic beliefs but by her blatant hypocrisy on this subject.

May we, on this one tiny issue and this alone, at least agree that we have something in common and bid one another good night?

419 posted on 11/09/2006 7:02:10 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer HaShem, za`aqat Sedom va`Amorah ki rabbah; vechatta'tam, ki khavedah me'od.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Libertarians must have an awful lot of time on their hands. They hang around for hours to make post after post after post that ultimately says nothing more than "nyah-nyah."

Theocrats must have an awful lot of time on their hands. They hang around for hours to make posts like -- "-- one of the prime purposes of government is to enforce G-d's laws and restrain man's evil inclinations --".

Gotta love the irony of posting anti-constitutional "nyah-nyah" on a site dedicated to constitutional restoration.

Okay, we've heard from tpaine. Who's next? I'm sure if a few more of you take the time to insult me you will change my mind.

Where's my "insult"? Commenting on the irony inherent in your remarks is not insulting, and I have no intent to 'change your mind' as I find you amusing as is..

C'mon, this is important! We're only at 400+ posts. We need a few more hundred more that make no point whatsoever other than to tell me I'm wrong.

Well, at least you're admitting that your post can be seen as amusingly wrong-headed. -- That's a start.

The sheer number of posts alone will eventually do the trick. I think it's about time for Carolina Guitarman to make the mutually exclusive claims that 1)the world has no meaning and 2)an absolutely objective moral standard nevertheless exists.

Bizarre comment. -- Why should any of us care what you think about what CGman might claim?

420 posted on 11/09/2006 7:11:33 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I've got no quarrel with that at all.

I hope you sleep well. It's been a hell of a last couple of days.

421 posted on 11/09/2006 7:33:12 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Let me take a wild guess:

You are some professor of something, and think you are the professor of everything.

So are you some PhD, or not? Yes or no?


422 posted on 11/10/2006 3:28:48 AM PST by MonroeDNA (Love God, question religeon. Don't blame the customer for not buying your product.)
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To: LibertarianSchmoe

A tendency Libertarians seem to have here is putting words in my mouth.

The reason Conservatives lost is because they abandoned their Conservative values. The Libertarians didn't HELP with that, but it wasn't "their fault."

Now, speaking PERSONALLY, I didn't abandon MY principles -- but far too many Conservative Republicans in Congress DID.


423 posted on 11/10/2006 5:25:19 AM PST by patriot preacher
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To: tpaine

Libertarians are parasites who live thanklessly off the prosperity and security made possible by law-abiding social conservatives.


424 posted on 11/10/2006 5:28:50 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: patriot preacher

A tendency *some* socio-cons have is to over-generalize.

What words did I attribute specifically to you? I was speaking about those who, on other threads, characterize libertarians as useless in getting Republicans elected and then blame libertarians when Republicans lose elections. I'm sure you can see the inconsistency in those two mutually-exclusive positions.


425 posted on 11/10/2006 7:06:51 AM PST by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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To: JCEccles
Libertarians are parasites who live thanklessly off the prosperity and security made possible by law-abiding social conservatives.

Mis-characterizing libertarians as "parasites" who live off the prosperity and security made possible by those who term themselves "law-abiding social conservatives --" is socialist type pejorative rhetoric.

The prosperity and security we now enjoy were made possible by the constitutional liberties of our free republic, -- not by the constraints of majority rule advocated by the socialists among us.

426 posted on 11/10/2006 9:09:52 AM PST by tpaine
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To: N3WBI3

Oh, yes. Now I remember. 1993-2000 was that period of great political leadership for the country; great progress. And these last six years have been just awful.

How ridiculous is that?!


427 posted on 11/10/2006 9:44:30 AM PST by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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To: tpaine
re:The prosperity and security we now enjoy were made possible by the constitutional liberties of our free republic, -- not by the constraints of majority rule advocated by the socialists among us.))

A piece of paper doesn't do the fighting, the envelop-stuffing, the door-knocking, the fund-raising. People do. And it's almost always the Joe Sixpacks and the social conservatives who do this. The Libertarians I joined briefly didn't like doing that--they got the icky-poo shudders at the prospect of rubbing elbows with a Baptist.

But they're willing to take phony-baloney thinktank jobs at CATO and express all kind of distaste at just how not perfect things are. And, of course, like Boortz--express his everlastingly noble intention of making everybody lose on principle.

Without the people who are willing to do work of politics --hey, sometimes that includes making a compromise or two with somebody else!!--who makie the constitution LIVE.

Libertarians are the CHICKENHAWKS of conservative politics, the spoilers, and the spoiled brats.

428 posted on 11/10/2006 10:01:32 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Who's the spoiled brat? Who's whining about how the people you claim to be poltically impotent are also responsible for the recent Republican losses? Well, what is it, Mammy? We can't "not matter" and "make all the difference" at the same time?

Do you even know what compromise means? I'm sure you believe it means people giving you what *you* want without any return consideration. Spoiled brat indeed. All of the spoiled brats I've encountered demand that everything go their way, and when they don't, they throw themselves on the ground in a tizzy, screaming about how it's all everyone else's fault but their own.

I'd write more, but I'm choking on the hypocrisy of your post.

429 posted on 11/10/2006 10:28:04 AM PST by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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To: LibertarianSchmoe
Well, libertarians are known for choking under pressure. Or swooning.
430 posted on 11/10/2006 10:30:11 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: LibertarianSchmoe
Libertarian makes himself blue for a blue-state Montana
431 posted on 11/10/2006 10:32:44 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
Mis-characterizing libertarians as "parasites" who live off the prosperity and security made possible by those who term themselves
"law-abiding social conservatives --" is socialist type pejorative rhetoric.


The prosperity and security we now enjoy were made possible by the constitutional liberties of our free republic, -- not by the constraints of majority rule advocated by the socialists among us.


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Mam:

A piece of paper doesn't do the fighting, the envelop-stuffing, the door-knocking, the fund-raising. People do. And it's almost always the Joe Sixpacks and the social conservatives who do this. The Libertarians I joined briefly didn't like doing that--they got the icky-poo shudders at the prospect of rubbing elbows with a Baptist.


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Baptists are welcome at the RLC.


REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS POSITION STATEMENT
posted by Jim Robinson
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/721810/posts


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Mam:

But they're willing to take phony-baloney thinktank jobs at CATO and express all kind of distaste at just how not perfect things are. And, of course, like Boortz--express his everlastingly noble intention of making everybody lose on principle.
Without the people who are willing to do work of politics --hey, sometimes that includes making a compromise or two with somebody else!!--who makie the constitution LIVE.
Libertarians are the CHICKENHAWKS of conservative politics, the spoilers, and the spoiled brats.


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And calling libertarians "chickenhawk brats" is principled? -- Be ashamed.
432 posted on 11/10/2006 10:40:18 AM PST by tpaine
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To: Mamzelle
Not pressure. Hypocrisy - what *you* are "known for".

Aren't there some envelopes you could be stuffing. Or something else?

433 posted on 11/10/2006 10:47:41 AM PST by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
>>Any more admirers of Locke/Jefferson/Hume/Smith/Voltaire/Rousseau want to try to shame or horrify me by calling me "un-American?" I'll simply smile and say "d@mn right!"<<

I've got interest in calling you names - I took 7 years of French in high school and college and am not that fond of Voltaire or Rousseau. Had I lived in the day I would have preferred Hamilton and Washington to Jefferson.

But I dig John Locke and his second treatise seems to be the rational basis for establishing a government of men.

God has given us commandments but except when God has anointed a King it does not automatically follow that men are entitled to put themselves in charge and decide how others should act. To be legitimate that power of government must come directly or indirectly from the people.

But the $64 questions is "did you just say that that you are in fact un-American and proud of it?" Surely you didn't mean that. And if you did mean that - why do you hang out here - this is a pretty darn pro-American board.
434 posted on 11/10/2006 2:42:29 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Sorry - that was a typo - should have said "I've got NO interest in calling you names.
435 posted on 11/10/2006 2:44:07 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: gondramB
You've got taste. I definitely prefer Washington and Hamilton to Jefferson (and even Jackson) myself.

I believe I said that I expected to be called un-American, but calling me a Theocrat is no insult since I admit I am one.

I am aware of my ideological idiosyncrasies and am grateful to Jim Robinson for allowing me to poste here for much of the past seven and a half years. This is his board and I am here only as long as he allows me. I will not argue with him if he ever decides I don't belong here.

I'm hardly the only misfit on the board, however. There are monarchist far right Catholic types and (perhaps) those bizarre creatures called "palaeolibertarian" who advocate abolition of the state and yet call for racial segregation at the same time (doesn't that require laws, which require a state to enforce?) and who call everyone with whom they disagree a "fascist" or "statist" even as they glow with admiration of Franco and Papadopoulos and Stroessner and Trujillo and Salazar. I hope that so long as these types are around the presence of one Noachide Theocrat doesn't do any harm.

436 posted on 11/11/2006 5:16:42 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayihyu chayyei-Sarah me'ah shanah ve`esrim shanah vesheva` shanim; shenei-chayyei-Sarah.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

>>I believe I said that I expected to be called un-American, but calling me a Theocrat is no insult since I admit I am one.<<

I am both sorry I misunderstood and glad that it was a misunderstanding.

I particularly appreciate you taking time to get to my second post rather than seeing the typo in the first part of the first post and taking offense.

Now I need to go look up about 10 words and names to be sure I understand what you are saying now. :)

I'm not ready to accept your self applied label of misfit but I agree that there is diversity here on Freep in much greater ammounts than outsiders and even some long time members appreciate.


437 posted on 11/11/2006 7:26:05 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: Keltik; Matchett-PI; george76; onyx; Mo1; Miss Marple; Howlin; wagglebee; little jeremiah

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737364/posts

Reason Magazine Blogger Finds Pleasure in Tears of Rick Santorum's 8-year-old Daughter
Right Reason philosophical conservatism. ^ | 11/11/2006 | Francis J. Beckwith


Posted on 11/12/2006 10:48:17 AM PST by Matchett-PI


Reason Magazine Blogger Finds Pleasure in Tears of Rick Santorum's 8-year-old Daughter

Because the libertarian universe has no place for the vulnerable, weak, or the dependent--since none are autonomous adult-choosers in search of virtual kiddie porn--it has no qualms in providing a forum in which children and their families can be verbally abused and have profanities hurled at them. Read and weep Julian Sanchez's "Your Tears Are So Yummy and Sweet" in which the writer says he finds joy in the tears of Rick Santorum's eight-year-old daughter, who is pictured crying next to her father as he gives his concession speech on Tuesday night, November 7. Most of the comments that follow celebrate and contribute to Mr. Sanchez's meanness. In fact, one commentator, named Jon H., makes sarcastic reference to the Santorums' newborn child who died in 1996. ~ Posted by Francis J. Beckwith at 11:25 PM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737364/posts


Your Tears Are So Yummy and Sweet


Julian Sanchez | November 8, 2006, 2:44pm


Man, I haven't taken this much pleasure in the suffering of a small child in days.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1737364/posts


438 posted on 11/12/2006 12:47:09 PM PST by Grampa Dave (They Bush haters on both sides have elected the government they have dreamed of!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Beyond sickening.


439 posted on 11/12/2006 1:40:44 PM PST by onyx (I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
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To: Grampa Dave

bttt


440 posted on 11/12/2006 2:02:55 PM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Grampa Dave

ACK! I was trying to avoid this thread! Now I'll have to peruse it.

No, really, thanks for your work on FR. Digging up what needs to be dug up with the light of truth shone on it.


441 posted on 11/12/2006 2:15:49 PM PST by little jeremiah (Jesus' message is not "BUY MORE STUFF"!)
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To: little jeremiah; Grampa Dave

" Must be some kind of celebration at libertarian central knowing they've created a socialist landslide in the middle of a war."



442 posted on 11/12/2006 2:56:35 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: little jeremiah

Jeremiah, I should have sent that privat and meant to do so. I'm sorry.


444 posted on 11/12/2006 3:26:35 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: little jeremiah; george76

They are very happy with the election results.

Except the L cowards of Free Republic want to blame us.

That is like blaming the rape of a young girl on the girl because she wasn't packing a 45.


445 posted on 11/12/2006 5:18:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave (They Bush haters on both sides have elected the government they have dreamed of!)
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446 posted on 11/12/2006 5:23:58 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Grampa Dave

As far as I'm concerned .. Libertarians can go piss up a tree

I will never forget this election


447 posted on 11/12/2006 5:26:26 PM PST by Mo1 (Thank You Mr & Mrs "I'm gonna teach you a lesson" Voter ... you just screwed us on so many levels)
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To: Mo1

None of us will forget this election.

The L's are like 5 years olds. A couple of months ago our 5 year grandson ran his Tonka Truck into a Ceramic Rabbit I had given my wife over 20 years ago.

Never mind the Ceramic Rabbit was in the same place in our living room for over 20 years.

Never mind the Tonka Truck was to stay in his room or the family room.

Never mind he had been told not to bring the Tonka Truck into the living room.

After he smashed the beautiful rabbit into over a hundred pieces. He told my wife that she should have had the bunny where it could get broken by him.

His Dad discussed this with him. On his last trip up, he apologized to his Grandmother.

Of course with the big L's, there will be no apologies as it was our fault.


448 posted on 11/12/2006 5:35:54 PM PST by Grampa Dave (They Bush haters on both sides have elected the government they have dreamed of!)
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To: gondramB

Thanks for your comments, and freepmail coming your way. (You can ask the mods to remove it and they probably will, if any of them are awake!)


449 posted on 11/12/2006 5:41:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (Jesus' message is not "BUY MORE STUFF"!)
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To: gondramB; Albion Wilde

gondram - here'a comment a very well-spoken and deep thinking freeper made on another thread, and the whole discussion is highly interesting. He says what I would like to say better than I can:

"Because of nanny-staters like you!"
You could not be more wrong about me -- as a Republican, I favor local standards, not Federal micromanagement of communities, schools, etc.

Before aggressive Federal judicial social activism fueled in no small part by feminist/socialist/pansexualist lobbying, communities were free to exercise social control of extended family and community for the benefit of children; for instance, a community could fire the young elementary-school librarian who became pregnant by a male teacher with a wife and 3 kids in the same town. The wife and kids were devastated socially and thrown on the welfare of the community, not to mention the effect on the pupils when the teacher abandoned his family to go live unmarried with the librarian. This was an actual case that was brought before the Supreme Court, which affirmed the librarian's right to keep her job.

There are thousands of examples of cases that were used throughout the 70s and 80s to destroy community-based protections for children. The growth of urban anonimity has also provided safe haven for many kinds of abuses against children by various kinds of predators inside and outside their families. And what was this librarian to the pre-existing wife and children, if not a predator? Other taxpayers in the community did not wish to reward the librarian's callous unconcern for their well-being.

Do you excuse "liberty-seekers" for using the courts to hammer individual "freedoms" no matter whose defenseless children get abandoned in the process?

No political ideology is going to solve the problem of personal irresponsibility. Criminalizing Christian expression as "hate speech" is, however, going to eliminate one of the most historically effective means of empowering individuals to solve personal problems and assume personal responsibility. The homosexual movement has been aggressive in labeling Christianity "bigotry" because of its age-old teachings that utter sexual libertarianism greatly increases the risks, dangers and harms to individuals and society.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1736223/posts?page=98#98

Big Setback for Gay Marriage


450 posted on 11/12/2006 5:45:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Jesus' message is not "BUY MORE STUFF"!)
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