Posted on 12/03/2006 7:54:15 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
You seem to be missing the part where the kid brought about his own demise with his actions. If he hadn't been committing a CRIME, his intended VICTIM wouldn't have chased him down and ended his worthless life. Sorry if you don't like that, but face up to the fact that the kid started this crap.
Would we decry the actions of a sleeping bear if this kid had egged the bear, woken it up, and then been eaten? Then why so here? Do something criminal, pay the consequences, serve as a lesson to others to not be a criminal...
Try "deeply held moral conviction that violating the intitiation of force/fraud/theft principle carries its own punishments". That you appear to be excusing this kids criminal activities shows a deep flaw in your own lack of morals and ethics.
Cesspool? Physician. Heal thyself...
We did what any self respecting 10 yr old would do...we HAULED A$$! Ran between two houses and broke out onto the nearby GOLF COURSE. Sprinted across the main fairway towards a green on the far side, when suddenly the ground just dropped away beneath us! We'd hit a sandtrap with the grass overhanging in a sort of "lip." There was no way to see it in advance. We instinctively rolled and came up runnin.' Pounded hard across and into a hedge near the trap.
The COP had followed us in his car between the houses (barely room enough) and onto the golf course. He was hot on our tails...headlights softly jouncing up and down over the terrain. Consequently HE couldn't "see" the sand trap either and when he hit that small lip, his car sailed into the middle of the huge sand trap and promptly sank up to the headlights in the sand. He got out of the car, cursing like I've not heard even a sergeant major curse....he was soaking wet, hair plastered down and shirt soaked. That guy would have killed happily at that point, I think.
We sat around after he radio'd for help. His sergeant rolled up and stood there slowly shaking his head while the tow truck TORE the green to pieces trying to manuever into to tow the car out without getting stuck himself. Then the neighbors showed up and the local news. After awhile we left the hedge and joined the crowd. Looked inside the car to see all his reports all stuck together and the ink smeared....
We felt pretty bad. I think that was the end of those days. The local constabulary was promising a full and complete investigation...but they never even started. The reign of terror came to an end...that night. In retrospect, after reading this sad story, I'm glad when I grew up in a time not quite so dangerous for our kids. It wasn't the gun (obviously), it was a mindset in a human being that allowed him to morally put vandalism into the category of a capital crime. I'm guessing with some accuracy I think, that had the gun not been there, this animal would likely have used the vehicle to flatten the kid. That's really sad.
In all of your wild hysteria, you forgot to see that both Plains Drifter and I were commenting only on the actions of the kid.
It is you who are foaming at the mouth and crediting us with a lot of stuff you thought we said but didin't. Gather yourself together a bit before letting that kneejerk response drive you wild.
We also commented on our lack of sorrow.
Some of that comes with experience and wisdom about the realities of this world.
There are folks here who have a lot more experience with this than I do (and I suspect you too) who feel no sorrow either. Scroll up and read about the Freeper whose wife is dead as a result of hooligans like this.
Jeeze, what's happened here at FR?
way to go and kill the serious discussion on this subject!
He did not bring about his own demise. He was murdered! He was murdered to satisfy the blood lust of a murderer!
" If he hadn't been committing a CRIME, his intended VICTIM wouldn't have chased him down and ended his worthless life."
His life was not worthless! His life was taken in an unjustifiable murder. His crime was nothing in comparison. It was simply a negligent act perpetrated by a minor. The murderer had no justification whatsoever for the vicious killing. He's not entitled to revenge in any way, legally, or morally.
"Sorry if you don't like that, but face up to the fact that the kid started this crap."
I don't believe you're sorry in any way. You've been excusing murder and condoning it for the slighest infraction of the law.
"Would we decry the actions of a sleeping bear if this kid had egged the bear, woken it up, and then been eaten? Then why so here?"
An animal can't be a murderer. Are people animals to you?
"Do something criminal, pay the consequences, serve as a lesson to others to not be a criminal."
Since you have no respect for the letter of the law, or the spirit of it, your argument is vacuous and it appears you are simply speaking as an animal.
The truly sad (maybe comical wold be more fitting) thing is that you probably consider yourself a conservative. I barely give you and those who share your sadistic, juvenile, assinine views as human.
"The consequences of throwing an egg at a car do not include being murdered. Do you understand that?"
If I choose to throw eggs ar cars how would I positively exclude being murdered as a possible consequence?
How would I positively exclude the driver veering off the road and getting injured as a possible consequence?
Etc.
I don't understand how I could do choose the consequences of my free will actions, if you know how to do that please tell me.
Seems to me the only way for this kid to have had control over unknown consequences was to choose to not be with people throwing eggs at cars.
If the kid had made the choice to stay home and help his mom make supper he would be alive right now wouldn't he?
What's wrong with the concept of him making a better choice than the one he did?
What is the root cause of the kid's death?
Trace it back .... to the first volitional action that would have changed the outcome.
No. I went and looked. You're statements clearly implied the murder was justified. Your stated lack of sorrow for a murdered 14 y/o and your failure to note any concern whatsoever for the murdererous behavior displayed by the killer was noted. The negligent acts of a kid don't justify murder in any way shape, or form.
The murderous impulse of the killer.
"Trace it back .... to the first volitional action that would have changed the outcome.
I have no idea when the killer embraced his murderous character.
If you choose to get out of bed in the morning, how would you possibly exclude being murdered as an outcome?
"How would I positively exclude the driver veering off the road and getting injured as a possible consequence? "
It might happen. The perp was a minor. The adult driver is supposed to maintain control of his vehicle at all times. A vehicle getting hit by an egg isn't a catastrophic event. An adult has a duty to control his impulsive behavior, especially murderous impulses.
"What's wrong with the concept of him making a better choice than the one he did? "
Nothing. what's wrong with expecting adults to control their murderous impulses?
The kid's power of choice trumps "the murderous impulse of the killer" bacause he could have pre-emptively made a choice that would not have resulted in him crossing paths with the killer.
THAT choice, the choice to not be with a bunch of people throwing eggs at cars, is the first choice that would have directly changed the outcome.
Are you saying he did not have that choice?
Do you choose to walk through bad parts of town?
If not why not, could it be to avoid possible consequences over which you have no control?
"Do you choose to walk through bad parts of town? "
You mean where people of murderous character live? Yes. Looks like this kid lived in a bad part of town.
But that's not what happened. This is the death penalty for egging car, which is stupid and for sure the boy should have known better, but he's a young fool FOURTEEN. That's just not very old.
Death? no, no, a thousand times NO.
In YOUR opinion. That's not what the law says...in any state except maybe Texas. Even then, I doubt Texas law would look kindly on the shooter in this case.
On the other hand, how many people can die from one bullet?
Irrelevant. One is the same as one thousand in terms of consequences. If a shooting resulting in one or more human fatalities does not meet the standard for SELF DEFENSE under the law, then that person must be held accountable according to the law. An incident like this is a wet dream for those who would take our right to bear arms. So as to numbers of people dying, well.... How many times can a murderer be executed?
Somebody just accused me of killing a serious thread with a little levity. I trust this post has returned us to regularly scheduled programming?
Did you not read the last couple of sentences in that post? I thought I returned to a serious vein quite neatly. However, read my most recent post and you should be happier.
I'm not sorry so therefore I think the murder is justified?
Come on, you didn't really go on record saying something so stupid, did you?
Yeah, I just checked again. You did!!!!!!!!!!!
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Go ahead, post something else to me!
Right. Put a moron like that in charge and Iraq really will descend into a civil war.
You've built up an image of the driver as a Good Christian Middle-Aged Family Man with a Wife, Two Kids (one boy, one girl, the boy is older), a Dog (a golden retriever will do), and a White Picket Fence. Trouble is, you don't really know anything about him.
Considering that he was driving around at 1 in the morning and that he resorted to deadly violence over a minor provocation and killed the kid when the kid was no longer a threat (if he was ever a threat at all), the driver is most likely a 20something gangbanger who has a shaved head, wears baggy clothes, votes liberal if he votes at all, and would be laughing his ass off at all the so-called "conservatives" who are leaping to his defense.
Most of the people on this thread are taking the side of the driver, but I guarantee you, if it's revealed that the driver is an illegal immigrant, people will be switching sides so fast they'll make Judas Jeffords look like the world's most loyal Republican.
"I'm not bothered by kids tossing eggs much. I'm really bothered by unjustified murderous behavior, really bothered by it."
Me too. But since I cannot control another's possible unjustified murderous behavior I try and make choices that will keep me from crossing paths with them.
""Do you choose to walk through bad parts of town? "
"You mean where people of murderous character live? Yes. Looks like this kid lived in a bad part of town."
Since you acknowlege it "looks like this kid lived in a bad part of town" could one assume there might be more severe consequences to egging a car there than there would be in a nice part of town - or than getting out of bed in the morning and helping your mom cook breakfast?
And that the more potentially severe consequences might influence the primary and free will choice of a rational person in such a way that he would choose to NOT be with a bunch of people throwing eggs at cars in a bad part of town?
Goodness, choices have automatic and sometimes unforseen consequences - you can't choose the consequences - a choice and the consequences are a package deal - like I said if you know how to separate a choice from its consequences let me know!
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