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Loving the Enemy - "I thought creationists were monsters, until I married one"
Newsweek ^ | January 4, 2007 | Tatiana Hamboyan Harrison

Posted on 01/06/2007 7:36:44 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger

It was only a little while after our first lunch as a married couple that my new husband got a test of faith. It came from my grandmother, who said that she didn’t know how anyone intelligent could be a creationist. Not that I could blame her. Before I met my husband, Rob, I would have laughed and agreed with her. This time, though, I glanced at my new husband, inwardly sighed, and wondered how he’d respond. With grace, as it turned out. “I’m a creationist,” he calmly said. Grandma quickly changed the topic.

When I first met Rob four years ago, I had no idea that he was a creationist. He had told me that his parents were fundamentalist Christians, but was silent about his own beliefs. At the time, I was between churches. I had left the Roman Catholic Church of my youth when I was 16 and would spend the next eight years searching for a new religious home before finally settling upon liberal Quakerism. It was only months into our relationship that he broke the news, while I was wondering aloud how different shapes of noses evolved. “I don’t believe in evolution,” he said. “I’m a creationist.”

Before Rob, I hadn’t known any creationists. I assumed that they were people who believed in the Bible more than in scientific data, probably out of stupidity. Whenever I imagined what a creationist might look like, he or she was always standing up on a podium, passing judgment on all evolutionists, condemning them as nonbelievers and scorning them with hateful words. I wasn’t sure where these people lived, but I figured it was probably down South somewhere, or in the Midwest. Surely I’d never have to interact with any of them.

But falling in love with Rob changed everything.

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To: Coyoteman; Admin Moderator
I'll stay here until I'm banned for my pro-science posts.

Nice try Mr Accurate. Your friends were banned for abusive language or threatening language or comparing Christian FReepers to radical Islam or the one suggested that I kill myself. Those are just a few examples. I challenge you to produce an entirely and purely 'pro-science' post that got somebody banned.

BTW, why don't you thank JimRob for allowing you to continue to post here and insult his supporters.

61 posted on 01/07/2007 11:30:32 AM PST by NewLand (Always Remember September 11, 2001)
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To: NewLand
I have no respect for the thugs who have polluted this website, who ganged up on Christian posters like a bunch of brown shirts,

You are a wee bit off on you facts here.

ALS and his thugs came on to this site looking for a fight. Fortunately most of them were banned. Unfortunately, a new crop of the same "dumb as a stump" in your face types showed up and finally most of the scientists left voluntarily.

What you don't (or are unwilling) to understand is that being a republican does not necessitate being anti science (and indeed you are anti science in a big way – like it or not).

However, this is exactly the impression that is sweeping the nation and one of the reasons I think we got our hats handed to us in the last election.

You may have noticed just about every “ID in the classroom type” was tossed. Dover should have been a wakeup call. Obviously it was not.

62 posted on 01/07/2007 11:38:17 AM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: Coyoteman
Sorry folks, this "evocreep" is still here. And I'll stay here until I'm banned for my pro-science posts.

So let me see if I get this straight...If you get banned, it will be because you are pro-science, not because you push an agenda that goes against conservatism, ie abortion, embryonic stem cell research, etc. Is that right?

How scientific is it to "believe" that a Christian cannot be a scientist?

64 posted on 01/07/2007 12:01:17 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Happy New Year!)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

"...not because you push an agenda that goes against conservatism, ie abortion, embryonic stem cell research, etc..."

Yup, the TOE does all this and more, it's a tool of the devil for sure. The sooner these demons are gone the better.



65 posted on 01/07/2007 12:07:14 PM PST by Lurker 50001b (Head Shaved, Koolaid Drank, On The Bus, Check)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

How right is it that one must be a Christian in order to be conservative? Or, equally, how right is it that to be considered Vhristian, one must be conservative. The two are not synonymous. Many scientists are Christian, but are not IDers nor YEC's.


66 posted on 01/07/2007 12:24:18 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
I'm sorry I don't see your point. I don't recall anyone saying that in order to be conservative one must also be a Christian. I also don't recall seeing anyone say that in order to be considered a Christian, one must be a conservative.

I will say that embryonic stem cell research, aka abortion, is neither a Christian nor a conservative principle. I think that's a safe statement to make.

67 posted on 01/07/2007 12:45:57 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Happy New Year!)
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To: Lurker 50001b
Yup, the TOE does all this and more, it's a tool of the devil for sure. The sooner these demons are gone the better.

"I do not avoid women, Mandrake. But I do deny them my essence."

68 posted on 01/07/2007 12:58:41 PM PST by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
I will say that embryonic stem cell research, aka abortion

And that is included in TOE - how?

69 posted on 01/07/2007 1:14:56 PM PST by RadioAstronomer
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To: dread78645

Doctor Strangelove I presume.


70 posted on 01/07/2007 1:18:58 PM PST by Lurker 50001b (Where is the "Birds with wheels" guy when you need him?)
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To: RadioAstronomer
And that is included in TOE - how?

I have no idea. Is what included and what is TOE and do I really need to know? I don't think so because this isn't a "science" forum. It is a political forum for conservatives. When science and politics cross paths, science is open for discussion by everyone on this forum, not just so-called "scientists".

71 posted on 01/07/2007 1:24:14 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Happy New Year!)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
I have no idea. Is what included and what is TOE and do I really need to know? I don't think so because this isn't a "science" forum. It is a political forum for conservatives. When science and politics cross paths, science is open for discussion by everyone on this forum, not just so-called "scientists".

What an idiotic statement. You really think you can have a meaningful discussion on the TOE without knowing what it is? When science and politics cross paths, science is indeed open to discussion by everyone but that doesn't mean that the discussion isn't full of crap. I don't know what you think merits a discussion on evolution if you don't think needing to actually know anything about it is a prerequisite.
72 posted on 01/07/2007 2:23:10 PM PST by Vive ut Vivas
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To: Vive ut Vivas
You really think you can have a meaningful discussion on the TOE without knowing what it is?

Who is having a discussion on the TOE, whatever that is? I was simply replying to a comment that someone says if they get banned, it will be for their pro-science comments, not their political beliefs, even though this is a political forum, not a science forum. I followed that with an observation regarding embryonic stem cell research, Christians, and conservatives. That requires me to know whatever TOE is? Who is the idiot?

73 posted on 01/07/2007 2:27:32 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Happy New Year!)
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To: King Prout

"and we science-literates have indeed largely left this site to them."

And that is indeed sad. This lurker will miss the enlightenment you and yours freely provided to those of us somewhat lacking in the scientific fields. Your effort was not wasted, and I would bet I'm not the only lurker to think this way.


74 posted on 01/07/2007 2:28:25 PM PST by Lurker 50001b (Where is the "Birds with wheels" guy when you need him?)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

And just for the record, I agree with you that many of these discussion are indeed full of crap.


75 posted on 01/07/2007 2:37:30 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Happy New Year!)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi
Who is having a discussion on the TOE, whatever that is? I was simply replying to a comment that someone says if they get banned, it will be for their pro-science comments, not their political beliefs, even though this is a political forum, not a science forum. I followed that with an observation regarding embryonic stem cell research, Christians, and conservatives. That requires me to know whatever TOE is? Who is the idiot?

First of all, I didn't call you an idiot, just pointed out that you said something idiotic. Second of all, I was simply reacting to the statement you said that implied that nobody has to actually know anything about science to discuss it: When science and politics cross paths, science is open for discussion by everyone on this forum, not just so-called "scientists".

And anyway, it seems that science is open to discussion by everyone on this forum but scientists.
76 posted on 01/07/2007 2:42:08 PM PST by Vive ut Vivas
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To: Vive ut Vivas
Second of all, I was simply reacting to the statement you said that implied that nobody has to actually know anything about science to discuss it: When science and politics cross paths, science is open for discussion by everyone on this forum, not just so-called "scientists".

I don't have to be a scientist to know that life comes from an embryo and any time man interferes with nature by destroying an embryo, they are potentially destroying a person.

I don't need to be a scientist to know that if I conceive and I don't have an abortion, the likelihood of me having a baby is extremely great.

Sometimes I think some of these scientists (not all, I personally know some very fine scientists) get so full of themselves, they will ignore the obvious just to prove that they are right.

There are others that come to places like FR solely for the purpose of convincing others that embryonic stem cell research and abortion aren't really murder. Those are the ones I really have a problem with. I'm not impressed with big brains who deceive.

I really don't need to know anything about evoloution to discuss what I stated above. I also don't need to be an "expert scientist" to know when I'm being lied to.

Do you need to be a payroll specialist to know if your paycheck is short? I think not.

77 posted on 01/07/2007 2:53:28 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Happy New Year!)
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To: Vive ut Vivas

Of course, knowing something about something helps with the discussion, but like we were discussing earlier, sometimes all that is needed is some high waders to cut through all the crap, not a fancy degree in some science field.


78 posted on 01/07/2007 2:56:35 PM PST by Ms. AntiFeminazi (Happy New Year!)
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

Abortion is not one of these "science and politics crossing paths" issues. It's purely moral/political. When the discussion turns to a scientific area, like the TOE, then education becomes important.


79 posted on 01/07/2007 3:05:09 PM PST by Vive ut Vivas
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To: Ms. AntiFeminazi

"I don't have to be a scientist to know that life comes from an embryo and any time man interferes with nature by destroying an embryo, they are potentially destroying a person."

And that has exactly what to do with the TOE?

The people you want to expunge from this site may share your beliefs in your above statement, but due to the fact they are learned in the ways of that evil science, you have no room for them in your heart.

Christian? No you're a hypocrite.


80 posted on 01/07/2007 3:05:38 PM PST by Lurker 50001b (Where is the "Birds with wheels" guy when you need him?)
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