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The great debate: Mac vs. PC
WFAA-TV Houston Texas ^ | 03/05/2007 | Justin Farmer

Posted on 03/06/2007 12:01:29 AM PST by Swordmaker

Ford and Chevy. Coke and Pepsi. There's no gray area in these debates, and in the world of computers—when it comes to Mac versus PC—it's a downright duel.

What's been brewing for years among techies is now a full-blown mainstream showdown. . . .

"It's strange and cult-like," said Doug Boehner WFAA.com's online operations manager and Mac fan. "Once you kind of drink the Kool-Aid of the Apple product you realize: Oh my gosh, this is what a computer should have been doing all along."

The Apple crowd says it's a no-brainer: intuitive software, fewer system crashes and no viruses to wrestle.

. . .

Nevertheless, some companies are making the expensive switch from Windows to Mac. Plano-based J.C. Penney says it has been thrilled with its investment.

(Excerpt) Read more at khou.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
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"Nevertheless, some companies are making the expensive switch from Windows to Mac. Plano-based J.C. Penney says it has been thrilled with its investment."

What? J.C. Penney going Mac? Is this true?

1 posted on 03/06/2007 12:01:33 AM PST by Swordmaker
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To: 1234; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; af_vet_rr; afnamvet; Alexander Rubin; Amadeo; anonymous_user; ..
JC Penney going switching to Macs... PING!????

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 03/06/2007 12:02:45 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker

I've been using one for 6 weeks, and I ain't liking the kool-aid thus far. Of course, I haven't exactly has a chance to tinker with it from a shell prompt yet either. I had thoughts of purchasing a mini for home use, but I think I'll just build myself another Ubuntu box.


3 posted on 03/06/2007 12:16:42 AM PST by SoDak
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To: SoDak

And perhaps, actually, you can tell me, how hard is it to disable the GUI front-end?


4 posted on 03/06/2007 12:17:42 AM PST by SoDak
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To: SoDak

Look at this site:

http://www.oreilly.com/pub/h/348

I think you have to activate ROOT and initiate a password for it before attempting this.


5 posted on 03/06/2007 1:40:39 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker

Things are so bad with old media in Dallas that they've moved WFAA-TV to Houston? I can't seem to tune it in, for some reason.


6 posted on 03/06/2007 4:52:06 AM PST by Rte66
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To: Swordmaker

Yes, actually. I'm local to them, and they're actually requesting bids for Mac support contracts.

And yes, I've bid on some. :)


7 posted on 03/06/2007 6:37:44 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SoDak
You can hold Command-S down while booting to enter single-user mode.

Very few Mac users even know about the root account, let alone know how to activate it.
1. Open NetInfo Manager (in /Applications/Utilities).
2. Select menu: Domain...Security...Authenticate
3. Enter the password for the account you're in right now.
4. Select menu: Domain...Security...Enable Root
5. You will be prompted to create a password for root.
Last I used it, that's how it was done. Not recommended for ordinary users, just developers and admins in Apple shops. Much of the security and stability problems in Windows is because people run as admin all the time. Running as root also enables the 'su' for root, one of the worst known security issues on any Unix-like OS so you should disable it again once you're done with it.
8 posted on 03/06/2007 7:30:30 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Swordmaker
Until other businesses follow, Apple will remain be the David in this battle against Goliath

If I'm not mistaken, David won.

9 posted on 03/06/2007 9:19:00 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: George W. Bush

Thanks. I cannot abide the control-freakishness of the front end, which means I can't use it as a home PC. At work, however, I'm looking to customize a computer to do just one operation, from command-line, and yet still getting standardization in hardware, so this might be the ticket.


10 posted on 03/06/2007 10:26:02 AM PST by SoDak
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To: SoDak
I'd really suggest you try the standard Terminal without resorting to root.

So much more secure. And you can almost always find ways to get around lack of root unless you're doing deep administrative tasks.

For instance, I'm on satellite internet and get a round-trip ping of about 480ms. It really slows down my DNS lookups to refresh FR and other websites. So I implemented a caching nameserver using named and BIND.

macosxhints.com: Speed internet browsing via a local domain name server

It's not for everyone but if you have dialup or satellite, it's a real lifesaver. That page shows how you can do a lot of the stuff that might normally be done in root just by using 'sudo bash' instead. Works beautifully.
11 posted on 03/06/2007 10:34:32 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Swordmaker
The Apple crowd says it's a no-brainer: intuitive software, fewer system crashes and no viruses to wrestle.

oh yea?

Apple Patches Serious QuickTime Bugs and thats only the bugs they know about... I hope you still feel secure in your glass house, keep throwing stones.

12 posted on 03/06/2007 11:28:10 AM PST by Mike Nolan
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To: Mike Nolan
When someone finally has a successful attack on OS X, let us know.

In the meantime, enjoy the 230,000 viruses, trojans, worms, and rootkits available on the Windoze platform.

Thanks for playing.
13 posted on 03/06/2007 11:56:59 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

I give Officers root access to much bigger iron than this platform. Really, this is the least of my worries. The unit will be in a secure room physically accessible to one person, and not networked. If this platform does what i want it to do, the end-user will have a root account and a user account, then it's their business.


14 posted on 03/06/2007 12:34:21 PM PST by SoDak
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To: Mike Nolan
I hope you still feel secure in your glass house, keep throwing stones.

Who threw a stone...other than you?

15 posted on 03/06/2007 6:38:50 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: Mike Nolan
oh yea?

Apple Patches Serious QuickTime Bugs and thats only the bugs they know about... I hope you still feel secure in your glass house, keep throwing stones.

Yes, Yeah. A flaw is not an exploit.

OS X has been out six years and there has yet to be a self-replicating, self-transmitting virus in the wild. OS X is not perfect... there are flaws... but finding a vector to transmit the malware and then get the malicious package to execute is extremely difficult on a Mac.

When someone demonstrates such an animal, THEN Mac users will start looking around for putty.

16 posted on 03/06/2007 9:25:31 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Mike Nolan
By the way, did you happen to read the actual Apple security advisory? Each of the flaws list say that the "maliciously formed" file could "lead to an application crash or arbitrary code execution."

Do you know what that means?

If the application crashes... pretty obvious... the user will have to restart it. He may lose some unsaved data. That's called Denial of Service. Easily fixed and a minor inconvenience.

What about "arbitrary code execution"? "Arbitrary" means "based on random choice, rather than any reason or system" and that is exactly what happens... the arbitrary (read random) code that is executed has to already exist on the targeted computer... and it is randomly selected, not placed there and executed. Unless the attacker can KNOW where in the stack the malicious file is placed... and then KNOW the address of a specific code already on the target computer the attacker wants to execute... he then has to know how far to jump to get there... This is almost impossible to know, ergo any code that MIGHT get executed would be purely accidental and random.

For this to work, the malicious code would have be included in the bogus file and the Application (located in an entirely different memory location) would have to be compromised to cause the execution pointer to jump into the data stack in the correct memory location for the start of the malicious code and then continue executing from there. Very difficult...

Now add in the fact that OS X's data stacks are non-executable by design. PowerPC OS X Macs have had non-executable data stacks for years and some security people worried that with the jump to Intel processors, Mac stacks would be as vulnerable to attack as Windows stacks... however:

"The new Core 2 Intel processors include a bit that prevents code from being executed on the stack. On Intel-based Macintosh computers, this bit is always set to On" thus preventing the execution of ANY code found in a data stack.

Apple's security advisory hints at this in the first listed over flow where it says: "This issue does not affect Mac OS X." In actual fact, every one of the rest of the flaws, including the ballyhooed one from the Month Of Apple Bugs (MOAB), have only demonstrated the ability to crash the application in OS X.

Versions of MS Windows are vulnerable to a data overflow exploit AND malicious code execution.

17 posted on 03/06/2007 10:15:16 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker

Whatever.


18 posted on 03/06/2007 11:02:56 PM PST by Mike Nolan
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To: Mike Nolan
Apple Patches Serious QuickTime Bugs and thats only the bugs they know about... I hope you still feel secure in your glass house, keep throwing stones.

The good news is that the new version of iTunes has a new sorting tab on the info dialog that I've wanted since I started using it.

Now if they just offered a secure mode for ripping CDs -- like Exact Audio Copy -- and support for multiple iPods, I'd be happy.

Of course, I'm using the PC version.

19 posted on 03/06/2007 11:11:32 PM PST by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Mike Nolan
Whatever.

What a dismissive term, "Whatever." You choose to ignore facts and go with myth. Fine. Remain ignorant.

20 posted on 03/06/2007 11:36:49 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE)
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To: Swordmaker
PCs are made to impress workers. Macs are made to impress...interior decorators.

--Boris

21 posted on 03/07/2007 10:51:05 AM PST by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a leftist with a word processor.)
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