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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: aboutthebaby; anna; annanicole; ans; deadwrongdaddy; getalife; giveitup; hksisafillintheblank; howietheleach; ilovelarry; killingmesoftly; larryisawesome; larryisthedaddy; larrysalunatic; lazyboylarry; lovechild; movealong; nojusticenopeace; oneheroinevirgie; overbonbonsdeadbody; prayersfordannielynn; ritaisaliar; ritaisnotaliar; shameonlarry; spermdonorsanonymous; sternsaresquatters; teambirkhead; thefatladywarmingup; thefirm; turkeybasterd; virgieisevil; virgieisnotevil
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To: Lizarde

“””””””””But I think Virgie is going back to the Bahamas to attend the inquest even though they don’t want her as a witness.””””””

The best outcome would be Virgie and Billy Smith getting Anna’s and Daniel’s bodies to Texas - where O’Quinn might be able to obtain new (Perper-free and Wecht-free) autopsies.

I would like to believe that O’Quinn has investigated and documented all the witnesses’ statements and activities surrounding both deaths. Just wish he had hired Mark Fuhrman.

That might set the wheels of justice in motion.


10,001 posted on 05/03/2007 5:07:01 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle

Congrats....10,000!!!


10,002 posted on 05/03/2007 5:07:51 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: Kimberly GG

I cheated!


10,003 posted on 05/03/2007 5:08:25 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: blueplum

“”””she would have to talk to ‘them’ to see how her daughter was doing....”””

It’s a shame that Virgie didn’t bluff & say she DID speak to Anna and that Anna told her HK$ killed Daniel.

The only way that HK$ could call her bluff would be to have tapes of all incoming and outgoing phone calls. He wouldn’t dare admit to that.

Virgie the cop might have a few cards up her sleeve.


10,004 posted on 05/03/2007 5:21:14 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Lizarde

You and whose army?

LOL


10,006 posted on 05/03/2007 5:22:59 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Lizarde

vole hole!


10,008 posted on 05/03/2007 5:54:53 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Lizarde

OMG Liz - I just read our reparte - someone might misinterpret the banter and suspend me.

‘voles revisited’ ..... protect me - or else;)

Bannaters unite!


10,009 posted on 05/03/2007 6:02:28 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: All
a bit off topic...caught a bit of news this morning about a 4 year old girl who was bipolar. Apparently she died and the parents are being questioned in reference to overdosing her. I didn't see it all. But what caught my attention was the prescriptions. The meds were being refilled TOO often. One time the mom “could not find them” and got more and another time “they got wet so they were no good” so they got more.
The had a list of overdose symptoms(i didn't catch them fast enough) but the grandmother said she had a cold and the parents did nothing wrong. She was found dead on the floor next to the parents bed.
10,010 posted on 05/03/2007 6:26:05 AM PDT by shywolf
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To: Kimberly GG

HKS MAY have been hiding out on the plane or just have gotten off in FLA. I do not think he is still in the Bahamas. He knows he can’t be extradited and if he is in FLA then “someone” can bring the Cracker out of the Bahamas for an “outing”, pick him up and he head out to Dubai. That way if/when they check boats leaving the Bahamas, he wouldn’t have been on the boat.


10,011 posted on 05/03/2007 7:11:06 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Rte66

Maybe this is the crap that HKS has been telling LB all the time he was living with him and DL at the Horizons. “It was all ANS! I wanted you two to be together”


10,012 posted on 05/03/2007 7:17:08 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: gopheraj

“””HKS MAY have been hiding out on the plane””

I have forgotten who questioned why HK$ did not just say his goodbye to Dannielynn at Horizons. Why did he have to carry her backwards to the car?

Now it makes sense - he needed to get to the airport and thought perhaps he could manage his trip, undetected. Unfortunately, he was no longer in a deal with the paparazzi - he couldn’t direct the scene.

Don’t think he will go to an Arab or muslim country - he is Jewish.
IMHO


10,013 posted on 05/03/2007 7:27:04 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: kcw2007

Ah, so *that’s* why HKS has to go to L.A., all of a sudden. We knew it had to be something important, like probating her will.

But noooooooo. He wants to pay a visit to the Anna movie set, so he can serve them an injunction against the scene with the body double in ANS’s Marshall wedding dress at J. Howard’s funeral.

We can’t have people casting aspersions on her character like that! Fools! “Stupid Texans” don’t know the difference between a drive-up wedding chapel wedding dress and a fancy white dress with a veil and bouquet? We are such marooons!

Hope that’s not the same jet flight being offered to Larry from KY. Can’t remember if Toonces ever got his pilot’s license or not.


10,014 posted on 05/03/2007 7:53:42 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: sodpoodle
Mark Fuhrman and Dr. Biden would make a great team to investigate the deaths.

I was impressed with Virgie Arthur on Greta's show. I was also impressed with her when she appeared on Nancy Grace show and tried to warn Anna Nicole and cried.

Some things stand out in the coverage of this case:
(1) On Nancy Grace show (also Kimberly) they screech and yelp, as if it were breaking news or a mantra, that Dannielynn has inherited a fortune. This false impression will attract kidnappers and con men.
(2) Lies and slander about Virgie Arthur. The statements are so similar that they must come from the same source. (Greta is not guilty of this.) Yet Bonnie Stern's declaration "over our dead body" received little attention.

10,015 posted on 05/03/2007 8:03:53 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: kcw2007

“”””....it is disturbing that Virgie didn’t even try to rescue Anna and Daniel earlier, .... no explanation from Vergie will exonerate her from all blame, ..... Backing away doesn’t always mean you do not love your child.”””

I am not sure how you can rescue a 39 year-old woman who is being held hostage, in a foreign country, by two drug pushing control freaks, who will not permit phone contact.

My hope is that the interview with Virgie resolved some of your concerns...did it?


10,016 posted on 05/03/2007 8:05:45 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Kimberly GG
Just going on what LB has said about Stern, and that they were friends for years before Anna died.

He has never held him responsible in any way for Daniel or Anna’s death, never condemned him for keeping his child from him during her first months of life, refused to submit her immediately for DNA after Anna’s death, publicly claimed to be the bio father when he knew he wasn’t, and publicly claimed to be married in a commitment ceremony.

LB apparently believes Anna wanted all of this, and that Stern just went along with her because he loved her. Lastly LB has publicly stated his sympathy for Stern’s unrequited love.

To me, this means LB has determined that Anna orchestrated this entire script, and that Anna planned and executed Horizon’s deal, all the grifting and conning, ect.

All while she was wasted 24/7.

He believes Stern only provided Anna and Daniels drugs because he “loved” them, and no more.

This kind of “modern” and “progressive” thinking is prevalent in today’s society, (just watch Oprah), lol. And we know LB was entirely comfortable with having a sexual relationship with an addict like Anna in the first place.

And grandma’s “judgmental” thinking and attitude is seen as mean, unreasonable, intolerant, cold, ect.

So I think he has more in common with Stern, and obviously feels more comfortable with him, instead of Virgie. Being that both their lives were/are revolve completely around celeb and Hollywood culture.

10,017 posted on 05/03/2007 8:06:36 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: apocalypto

“”””Lies and slander about Virgie Arthur. Yet Bonnie Stern’s declaration “over our dead body” received little attention.””””

Amazing isn’t it. Hollyweird bias against Texans (think GWB) and in favor of a porno candy madam from CA. Also elitism - attorney(HK$) and psychiatrist(KE) versus cop(VA).

Case study for economic and social diversity. Virgie should have been a licensed abortionist..for better press advocacy.


10,018 posted on 05/03/2007 8:11:46 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: roses of sharon

Bravo - Excellent post.

Thank you!


10,019 posted on 05/03/2007 8:13:59 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: apocalypto
Virgie Arthur made excellent points why she or somebody from her side of the family needs to remain in the picture. Howard Stern or somebody like him is likely to manipulate Larry. People far smarter than Larry have been conned, and his closeness to Howard raises concerns.

Memo to myself to add the following to list of terms Howard Stern evokes: toad; flunky and baggage boy (Anna Nicole's terms for him); dark aura; the Backward Walker

10,020 posted on 05/03/2007 8:21:49 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: blueplum

It was a body double for Willa Ford in the Anna movie. Don’t ask me why. Maybe she didn’t want the liability that would attach, lol.


10,021 posted on 05/03/2007 8:23:54 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: blueplum

I’m not even sure it was the Studio City house, but I know the pigsty description was used for the apartment she had before that.


10,022 posted on 05/03/2007 8:25:18 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: blueplum

I just loved that one line, especially, in the transcript I read ... “What does Stern have on you, son?”

I could just hear her saying that, in my mind.


10,023 posted on 05/03/2007 8:30:05 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: sodpoodle

“”””Lies and slander about Virgie Arthur. Yet Bonnie Stern’s declaration “over our dead body” received little attention.””””

Amazing isn’t it. Hollyweird bias against Texans (think GWB) and in favor of a porno candy madam from CA. Also elitism - attorney(HK$) and psychiatrist(KE) versus cop(VA).

Sorry, JMHO, I know it’s not PC, but could the above phenomenon also reflect increasing media bias against all things that are not, in modern parlance, “metro-sexual”?


10,024 posted on 05/03/2007 8:31:47 AM PDT by nynjanais
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To: kcw2007
It is very hard if not impossible to control an adult who is living in a foreign country and is manipulated by devious characters.

Carroll O'Connor's son lived close to him and his daughter-in-law was on the side of the parents. Yet he failed to get his son away from drug dealer. Jeb Bush has problems with a daughter, and I cannot blame him.

I have personal knowledge of good parents who tried to help their child but failed even tough the child was in the same city. Sad.

10,025 posted on 05/03/2007 8:37:52 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: apocalypto

“I have personal knowledge of good parents who tried to help their child but failed even tough the child was in the same city. Sad”

It is so sadly true. There are so many factors and as one’s child gets older, and more able to be entitled to being viewed as “adult” by all social agencies, courts,and themselves, there are staggering legal, intrapsychic and social obstacles to reaching them. It would be a particularly formidable task if the child is bipolar, given to distorting things various ways at various times and has fallen in with influential and “professional” people with their own exploitative agendas.


10,026 posted on 05/03/2007 8:47:09 AM PDT by nynjanais
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To: TheSpottedOwl

Thanks - nope, I’m not eligible for anything, because of the value of my assets and I won’t sign them over.

Luckily, it’s not indoor mold that bothers me - *just* outdoor, which is everywhere. The kind you have is toxic, so you will have to have something done about it.

There is a product called DampRid that you can buy anywhere, about $3. It’s a little plastic tub of moisture-absorbing crystals that you can put in your closets and bathrooms or other humid areas. I had it in all my closets in my older houses. It works!

I’ve been mesmerized by those infomercials for the ionic air cleaners, such as the one by the Oreck vacuum guy. Would love to have one - but obviously can’t afford it.

So, I’ve been checking out some of those small tower units at my only store, where I’m forced to buy everything except groceries - a Walgreen’s. They have 5-6 models, from $40 to $200. The thing about it is, how in the world would I know if it’s really exchanging old air for good air?

Everytime I think “ok, this time I’ll use part of a bonus check to go buy one of those,” I then go into a funk thinking it’s a hoax or scam and I put the money back in my safe deposit drawer or buy some other “big ticket” item I’ve been waiting for till I have the money - maybe a Swiffer mop or a bigger plastic storage box for my holiday decorations (I actually have some, even some cute things, $1-2 each, bought once each of my 3 years in hell - compared to a warehouse full that I can’t get to) - things like that.

Microwave is obviously on the list, but I have no way to get one here, or to move my old one, which is a huge Amana, very heavy. I try to just put on blinders and go about my days - the only way I’m still alive is because I talked myself out of “wanting” anything.


10,027 posted on 05/03/2007 8:52:33 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: TheSpottedOwl

“The price of honey ...” - lol, I’m hearing Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Taxi in the background ... “a taste of honey ... (hu-u-nny) ... (trumpet riffs) ... a taste much sweeter ... than wine.”


10,028 posted on 05/03/2007 8:55:41 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: TheSpottedOwl

What’s also scary are the many meth users who *aren’t* yet to the bottom reaches. They are legion - and they are everywhere, actually doing “super” jobs and getting things done.

They’re like manic-depressives on a permanent manic cycle. Way more of those than the ones who have finally encountered problems. Because they’re such overachievers, bosses are hard-pressed to do anything about them.

I’ve sponsored a few in AA and they’re very hard to help with sobriety (”clean of drugs”, iow). They’ll all get to the same end/bottom eventually, but society as it is today encourages and rewards their behaviors, rather than letting the chips fall where they may.

While Anna’s is a much different story, downers and painkillers, the leeway she was given because of money or the “hint” of money is flabbergasting.


10,029 posted on 05/03/2007 9:05:28 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Kimberly GG

People who base *everything* in life on money are nearly impossible to reason with.

It’s hard to turn away from something that might promise your child a life free of want.


10,030 posted on 05/03/2007 9:08:19 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Lizarde

Best of luck to you today (although I realize you are already there)! I don’t envy you one iota.


10,031 posted on 05/03/2007 9:10:19 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

*Asked and answered* previously, lol. Yes, it would, but I won’t do what they ask, because it would take away everything I have left, which is very little but of extreme importance.


10,032 posted on 05/03/2007 9:13:28 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

I have lots of friends who think nothing of having plastic surgery in Mexico or other types of medical treatment. You couldn’t pay me a $1,000,000 to do that!


10,033 posted on 05/03/2007 9:16:06 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
What a scary thought.

Some day Dannielynn will ask, "Daddy, what did you do to the man who killed Mommy and Daniel?"

10,034 posted on 05/03/2007 9:18:05 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Yes, thank you so much! Here’s a link to Greta’s:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,269821,00.html


10,035 posted on 05/03/2007 9:27:18 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66; TheSpottedOwl
Instead of buying one of the Sharper Image Ionic things...

Go to Walmart and buy yourself an Ionic Pro. They have 2 models that are exactly like the Sharper Image models. One is about $100 and the other large one is about $150.00.

I have the smaller version of the Ionic Pro. They do help some but don’t expect them to be a full problem solver.

Also you should know that they produce a “smell” (the ions) that smells like breathing the air in the middle of the woods. It is a fresh outdoor “in the woods” smell.

The Oreck model you see on TV has a expensive filter that must be replaced in it. I believe it is a carbon filter.

The Ionic Pro models have no filters and the metal bands (collectors) can be washed easily. The only thing is after you wash it, it must be fully and completely dry before you put back in the Ionic Pro cleaner and turn it on.(You have to make sure there is no water hiding in the base of the metal bands - I use my hair dryer to on it to make sure I am getting all the areas dry before putting back in the machine)

I have had other models before (Radio Shack has them also). The Radio Shack ones I had in the past did not have a wire cleaner in them and they became useless once the wires got too dirty. The Ionic Pro one has a built in wire cleaner on them.

They work on static electricity... you have metal bands on the removable washable collector and the internal thin wires make the static. So what ever machine you get it must have some form of method to clean the metal wires inside. (something the old Radio Shack models did not have) Again the Ionic Pro has the built in wire cleaner you just lift up and down and it drags up and down the metal wire and cleans it.

On another note... I also have the top of the line full house air cleaner on my air handler in my house, Trane/American Standard puts it out - it was installed in Oct 06. It does not get everything but it helps. The filter on it is a 3 stage. We had to have a new heating/cooling system put in last Oct and we shelled out the extra $750 for the whole house air cleaner. (we nearly got it a wholesale cost - so prices vary - the highest estimate we got was $1500 for the same exact cleaner but it was $1500 through a different installer)

http://www.trane.com/Residential/CleanAir/CleanEffects.aspx
Trane and American Standard are the same company and they have the same exact air cleaners but they have different names on them. This model is fully washable and does not need replacement filters to be purchased for it. I have to clean it about 3 months.

The point is they help... but they won’t get rid of everything even if you have a full house system like I have.

The Ionic Pro is noiseless unless it is time to clean it then it makes a crackling noise. It sits about 2 feet from the side of my bed.

10,036 posted on 05/03/2007 9:34:13 AM PDT by stlnative (**** RIP - JDS 4/11/61 to 4/2/07 **** Nobody asked me but that never stops me - I can smell trolls)
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To: gopheraj

Oh, yeah, lol. “Matchmaker, matchmaker, make me a match ...”

*The little ole matchmaker Howie.* Such a shadkhen, but more of a yenta!


10,037 posted on 05/03/2007 9:37:06 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66; TheSpottedOwl
Also you should know that they produce a “smell” (the ions) that smells like breathing the air in the middle of the woods. It is a fresh outdoor “in the woods” smell.

I forgot to mention that the Ion smell is what turns off many people from these Ionic air cleaners. If you don't think you would like smelling the "in the woods" smell they produce then a Ionic cleaner is not for you.
10,038 posted on 05/03/2007 9:39:28 AM PDT by stlnative (**** RIP - JDS 4/11/61 to 4/2/07 **** Nobody asked me but that never stops me - I can smell trolls)
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To: sodpoodle

Hee hee - but he’s pen pals with the Sultan of Brunei! Would love to know *howie* thinks he can get in without the Buxom One!

(PS - no way the Cracker could make it to Dubai. HKS will have to trade UP - somehowie.)


10,039 posted on 05/03/2007 9:42:09 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66; TheSpottedOwl

Ionic Pro website (they cost less at Walmart)

http://www.ionicpro.com (Ionic Pro) (smallest model is under $100 at Walmart - the next size up at Walmart is about $150 - Walmart has the full black models but Ionic Pro makes more advanced models that are also on their website)

~VS~

http://www.sharperimage.com (Ionic Breeze)


10,040 posted on 05/03/2007 9:48:53 AM PDT by stlnative (**** RIP - JDS 4/11/61 to 4/2/07 **** Nobody asked me but that never stops me - I can smell trolls)
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To: kcw2007

I agree. VA asking to oversee money is not guardianship or custody. Partial guardian over money is not the same as guardian/custody of the baby. Otherwise, a BANK would have CUSTODY of the baby in addition to guardian of the money. I believed Virgies interview with Greta.


10,041 posted on 05/03/2007 10:00:37 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: stlnative

If I had the ability to get to a WalMart and bring home a large item, not to mention the money to pay for same, I would be getting a microwave. Thanx for the info - Spot might find it useful.


10,042 posted on 05/03/2007 10:05:28 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: kcw2007
Why would he or anyone else have an objection to that?

I agree, especially IF there happens to be a poopload of money from the Marshall estate (which I doubt) more than one eye guarantees DL gets her mom's money.

10,043 posted on 05/03/2007 10:14:58 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Rte66

I understand... but I wanted you to know about the Oreck model needing a filter, that is why I pinged you to it - just so you know about the Oreck model if you ever get the opportunity to purchase a air cleaner.

Have you tired looking at a resale shop or Goodwill for a used microwave?
Another option is to put up a wanted ad at your local grocery store looking for a free one...

Another thing is to also try Freecycle. (this would be perfect for you to try)
http://www.freecycle.org/

All you need to do is find one in your area and sign up for the emails. Put your email ad up looking for a free working Microwave and you might even be able to get the person to drop it off to you. (I see it all the time at my local freecycle group) - These days people have extra microwaves laying around due to getting married, or upsizing or downsizing from their current microwave.


10,044 posted on 05/03/2007 10:19:36 AM PDT by stlnative (**** RIP - JDS 4/11/61 to 4/2/07 **** Nobody asked me but that never stops me - I can smell trolls)
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To: Kimberly GG; Rte66; toldyou
That was Tony Potts who called in on Showbiz tonight and said Virgie IS going for custody in June and if she fails has already said she will file in the USA... he said he knows this for a fact.

Tony has been in the Bahamas the entire time with Larry Birkhead and has done a lot of interviews with him and a lot of "off the record" conversations..

I watched Virgie's body language carefully last night. I would love for Bill Or's BL expert to do the same and see if she says what I think she would..... when Virgie brought up OQ Virgie got a cat who ate the canary look on her face and took a minute to actually keep her composure, stifflying what started to be a huge grin.

She DID say she trusts OQ implicitly -- and OQ has stated more than once they want full custody of that baby.

Last -- the comments she made on the local Houston station as reported by Rte66 are not a match.

I will keep an open mind until June, or until something else comes forward, but she was -- in a subtle way -- trying to demean Larry in that interview, trying to make the audience suspect him with her comments that "he moved in with HKS" (he did not ever move in with HKS_... and that he was hiding something.....

That interview tells me Virgie is clever like a fox.... and I'm going to watch the henhouse.

10,045 posted on 05/03/2007 10:26:57 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: kcw2007

I think there needs to be more education on this scorge on society... I heard a story just the other day of a girl who said oh, I’ll give it a try — and was hooked from the first try.. there is no going back, no do-overs...


10,046 posted on 05/03/2007 10:29:58 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: kcw2007

Speaking for myself.... I would have stepped in... at the very least I would have fought to get Daniel out of there if I knew his mother was stoned most of the time... perhaps if she HAD filed for custody of DANIEL ANS would have come to her senses and sobered up, and if she didn’t at least the odds are Daniel would have been out of there.... so yes, I am suspicious about not fighting for Daniel who was obviously in an unsafe environment....


10,047 posted on 05/03/2007 10:32:55 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: blueplum

Did you watch her TV show?


10,048 posted on 05/03/2007 10:33:42 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: blueplum

The Bahamas nannies complained about how filthy the house was..


10,049 posted on 05/03/2007 10:34:40 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: blueplum

I don’t believe she is getting nothing from no one — sorry, doesn’t compute on her retirement that she can “pay” all these lawyer fees — as she stated on Greta — she owes $40K to one law firm alone in the Bahamas.....


10,050 posted on 05/03/2007 10:36:21 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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