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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: aboutthebaby; anna; annanicole; ans; deadwrongdaddy; getalife; giveitup; hksisafillintheblank; howietheleach; ilovelarry; killingmesoftly; larryisawesome; larryisthedaddy; larrysalunatic; lazyboylarry; lovechild; movealong; nojusticenopeace; oneheroinevirgie; overbonbonsdeadbody; prayersfordannielynn; ritaisaliar; ritaisnotaliar; shameonlarry; spermdonorsanonymous; sternsaresquatters; teambirkhead; thefatladywarmingup; thefirm; turkeybasterd; virgieisevil; virgieisnotevil
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To: kcw2007

No..... but a grandparent CAN try to rescue a ten-year-old child from a druggie parent. Happens all the time in this country.


10,151 posted on 05/03/2007 1:34:46 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: toldyou; windchime

and the trail over that issue leads squarely back to OQ — mark my words! Look at the video when Greta asked her about OQ...


10,152 posted on 05/03/2007 1:37:20 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Jane Austen

Team Stern?? Who is talking Team Stern here???? We may be talking Team Birkhead and that is light years away from Team Stern — there IS NO Team Stern on this thread, never was and never will be....


10,153 posted on 05/03/2007 1:38:16 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

What??? LOL.....That’s what we’ve all been saying for weeks..that there was a gag order and no one knew what was going on. Weeks ago people were saying that the only reason Larry was still in the Bahamas was because of Virgie. That’s not the case. So now to defend his family the thing about the gag order is being brought up while before it was just assumed that all the anti Virgie leaks were true. As long as it makes Virgie look bad I guess it’s A-OK. How did Virgie break the gag order??


10,154 posted on 05/03/2007 1:39:49 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: roses of sharon

Unlike Virgie who used Greta to trash Larry’s reputation — saying HKS has something on him — saying he moved in with howie (not true a bald faced lie)Larry hasn’t gone on national TV for an interview to trash Virgie since he returned home....


10,155 posted on 05/03/2007 1:40:06 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: toldyou

I do remember the O’Quinn info, but we know where he’s coming from (lawyer).

I just take what Virgie says/does independent of attorney motives. She just isn’t addressing the same concerns I would have about my granddaughter. Money would be last on my list, if on it at all.


10,156 posted on 05/03/2007 1:41:39 PM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT)
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To: windchime; toldyou; TrishaSC
That is what I saw in the interview and it jumps out even more in the transcript -- stopping mid-sentence to suddenly say something about the money ---- the way I was raised that is the last thing I would have brought up even if I was thinking about it...

I return to her telling Greta she is paying her expenses and legal bills.... sorry, I don't buy it. I have an idea what this is costing and Virgie doesn't HAVE that kind of money.

10,157 posted on 05/03/2007 1:42:47 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Sadly, Athina Onassiss had no living relative on her mother’s side to act as a co-trustee along with Roussel. If a living relative on her mother’s side had been able to ok the transactions, rather than the attorneys who were hired by Roussel himself, Roussel might not have had the opportunity to rip off his daughter.


10,158 posted on 05/03/2007 1:43:05 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: sodpoodle

I managed to catch some of that interview. Greta was professional and impartial. Virgie was very cool and collected. Very good interview, and the right questions were asked.

Could it be when Virgie says that she doesn’t “know” Donna, she does know that Donna exists, but that’s about it?

“If you let Anna be buried in the Bahamas, I’ll let you hold the baby for 15 minutes”. My oh my, how mighty white of you Howard. Howard, bodies are exhumed and reburied all the time. Don’t think this is over.


10,159 posted on 05/03/2007 1:43:59 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: mom4kittys

Can anyone tell me why this thread is so huge? who cares about this anyways (besides over 10,000 hits)? I don’t get it... oh noooo... now I’ve added to it!


10,160 posted on 05/03/2007 1:44:35 PM PDT by bedolido (I can forgive you for killing my sons, but I cannot forgive you for forcing me to kill your sons)
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To: apocalypto

Virgie admitted on the stand she knew about ANS drug use — she even stated ANS loved downers.... always loved downers.... seems Virgie as a cop had to see the handwriting on the wall....


10,161 posted on 05/03/2007 1:45:30 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: windchime

Hopefully this change in politics in the Bahamas will have a positive effect on the inquest going forward... (fingers crossed)... I do want to see HKS held accountable for Daniel’s death.


10,162 posted on 05/03/2007 1:47:18 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

WHAT A GREAT IDEA! I will write him, too!


10,163 posted on 05/03/2007 1:47:42 PM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“Could it be that now Larry is home and has been able to tell his family — face-to-face — what really went on in that court room week after week that they know a lot more than we do and she has a reason for what she is saying?”

You’re absolutely right, AC. Some people think they have all the inside information. Only Larry knows what went on and what continues to happen. And now his family knows.

I watched LB’s elation and smiles, when the DNA was announced, go to frowns week after week of Virgie’s fighting for custody. A father should not have to go through that with a grandmother fighting for custody of his baby.

And it’s not over because of Virgie. He should not be in a custody battle. He should be allowed to enjoy and play with his baby, relax and gain some weight, and be free of enormous lawyer bills. Instead, he can’t. Virgie is not permitting him to do that. If she was concerned for that baby’s happiness, she would have quit battling him by now. She just doesn’t care.


10,164 posted on 05/03/2007 1:49:21 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: TrishaSC
Virgie broke the gag order going on Greta's show last night.

What makes you believe it was not Virgie keeping Larry there in the bahamas... you do know Virgie was sanctioned $3K by the appeals court last Friday for filing a frivilous appeal to KEEP Dannielynn in the Bahamas through the TRIAL that is taking place in June? You expected Larry to leave his child there with HKS and travel back to the US and return in June?

Yes! It was exactly Virgie who kept him and the baby there.... and if she had here way they would still be there.

I don't know what she was trying to prove last night, with her comments about June, but she could stop this right now and they wouldn't have to return in June.

10,165 posted on 05/03/2007 1:50:48 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I definitely agree with that last part and that’s going to be the thing that’s really going to trip her up..as it did at the Florida hearing.


10,166 posted on 05/03/2007 1:52:38 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: kcw2007

Therry didn’t rip off Athena.. the people who were appointed to watch over her assets ripped her off and it was Therry who sued to prove they had been doing so....


10,167 posted on 05/03/2007 1:52:51 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: bedolido; sodpoodle

Time for the list.


10,168 posted on 05/03/2007 1:52:55 PM PDT by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

HKS did have something on LB . . . Virgie and a lot of others were oblivious to it. HIS CHILD.


10,169 posted on 05/03/2007 1:53:20 PM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT)
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To: toldyou

and.. I want to know where she is getting the money to continue this fight against Larry...


10,170 posted on 05/03/2007 1:54:49 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: sodpoodle

She lost control of her daughter LONG before she was an adult.


10,171 posted on 05/03/2007 1:55:16 PM PDT by Tx Angel
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To: windchime

Bingo. We have a winner!!!


10,172 posted on 05/03/2007 1:55:32 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

The comment that Larry’s step mother was made was prior to Greta’s show. Larry didn’t have temporary custody and couldn’t get the passport until after the name was changed on the BC.


10,173 posted on 05/03/2007 1:55:54 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: TrishaSC

Exactly — and you know what they say in a trial... dishonest in one dishonest in all....


10,174 posted on 05/03/2007 1:56:34 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Tx Angel

Yep — 8th grade (or earlier)...


10,175 posted on 05/03/2007 1:57:12 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: TrishaSC

Yes, but Larry had already been at home and told his family what went on behind closed doors ... someday we, too, will know...


10,176 posted on 05/03/2007 1:58:09 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: toldyou

“””I would be fighting to see what killed my daughter and grandson...that would be my first priority....not seeing how my granddaughter might spend money.”””

Only Law Enforcement and District Attorneys can initiate suspicious death or murder investigations. They have not seen fit to do so thanks to KE and other pro-Stern witnesses influencing Dr. Perper’s “accidental” manner of death conclusion.

Virgie’s only avenue for legal standing in Florida, to bring a wrongful death suit against HK$ and KE, is as guardian of Anna’s sole surviving minor child, Dannielynn.

Have you not been reading this thread? Or just the posts where the evil Virgie is described as being interested in handling the Marshall Estate money? There is no Marshall estate money in Anna’s bank account!


10,177 posted on 05/03/2007 1:59:01 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: mom4kittys; bedolido

From the beginning of this drama, we at FReeRepublic have not been so much interested in the tabloid Anna Nicole Smith. We want answers to the following:
The death of a son - about to reach his majority (age 21)of undetermined manner and cause. Could be homicide.
The birth of a daughter - whose paternity and custody is in question - who may also have been born addicted to illegally obtained prescription drugs.
The premature, undetermined death of the infant’s mother -could be homicide, suicide or misadventure.
Conspiracy to access a $1.6billion estate and eliminate per stirpes heirs.
Conspiracy by lawyers and foreign government officials to circumvent immigration laws for fraudulent purposes.
Intent to defraud owners of real property and real estate.
Illegal transportation of prescription drugs, by interstate and international waters.
Potential kidnapping of a US citizen.
Illegal disposition/seizure, by an officer of the court, of the remains of a US citizen in contravention of State Law (Florida)
Creation and presentation of fraudulent documents to avoid parental and custodial rights.
National media villification, defamation and causing pain and suffering to the biological mother and other blood next-of-kin of the decedent, for gain and profit.

IT IS EXPECTED THAT THE RIGHTS AND PROTECTION OF A MINOR US CITIZEN, BEING HELD HOSTAGE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY, BY UNRELATED PERSONS, BE IMMEDIATELY REMOVED TO THE UNITED STATES AND EXAMINED TO DETERMINE HER PARENTAGE AND HEALTH STATUS.


10,178 posted on 05/03/2007 2:01:00 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Yes, especially Daniel’s death.


10,179 posted on 05/03/2007 2:01:43 PM PDT by windchime (I consider the left one of the fronts on the WOT)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Does that go for Larry also? Look ..in my opinion no one in this is perfect. I’m delighted for Larry and want him to have sole custody..that being said...I think Virgie is getting a bum rap on some of this based on lies and innuedoes and it does concern me that people are picking up Stern’s storyline and running with it. And where did Virgie break the gag order..did she say anything about testimony? That part I’m having difficulty with. Larry needs to give to Virgie the same curtesy that he wanted from Stern and Anna when he was taking them to court.


10,180 posted on 05/03/2007 2:02:26 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: SUN68RAY

IMO, Moe may be named as the co-author of this book, but the information (or rather MISinformation) is coming from HKS. I think HKS made a deal with Moe, so he could get his ‘side of the story’ out, without looking like an opportunistic leech by writing his own book. That is why Moe gave HKS half of the book advance. Just wait and see....this book will contain information and/or incidents that Moe was never a party to and wouldn’t have known on his own. HKS is going after LB and Virgie (and everyone else) in this book to try to repair his image. It won’t work!


10,181 posted on 05/03/2007 2:02:55 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I have no idea who lives with who, who was welcome and who wasn’t, how long anyone spent in Sterns house vs out of a house, how many nights vs how many days, ect, since I was not there.

Nor do I know anything about LB’s personal life, his friends, goals, plans, habits, what he was like prior to Anna’s death, or since.

And I assume neither does grandma, since she doens’t know him from adam, and she indicated that she had no idea what reason he had to compliment and side up with Stern, who had supposedly caused him, Daniel, Anna, and DL, so much pain. She is obviously suspicious.

Anyway no need to fret, sweet Larry reputation is fine, and it appears grandma’s is not.

10,182 posted on 05/03/2007 2:07:08 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Drugs are an awful thing. Friends of ours tried everything to get their son off it. Nothing worked. Now we have enormous amounts of meth pouring into the country from Mexico. What do we do? We arrest those who try to stop the drug trade.
10,183 posted on 05/03/2007 2:11:17 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Tx Angel

“She lost control of her daughter LONG before she was an adult.”

How true!


10,185 posted on 05/03/2007 2:15:00 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: apocalypto

That was reported right after Anna’s funeral. HKS supposedly put all of the money made off the funeral into a Trust Fund for Dannielynn and he asked Milstein to be the Trustee, and Milstein agreed. So far, I’ve seen no evidence of that Trust Fund, and I haven’t heard anyone mention it lately.


10,186 posted on 05/03/2007 2:16:01 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“and.. I want to know where she is getting the money to continue this fight against Larry...”

Contingency.....O’Quinn is smacking his lips and smiling as Virgie tells the world how wonderful he is. Sure, he’s hoping to get her and him some BIG money.


10,187 posted on 05/03/2007 2:20:15 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: sodpoodle
Good points.

I am sorry to see the vicious "bash Virgie Arthur" posts that have sprouted here. So much anger. Maybe it is part of the "blame parents" mentality some have. I know good parents who tried everything but still lost control of their children.

10,188 posted on 05/03/2007 2:20:30 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: toldyou

Around March 20th - I posted this comment:

After the circus leaves town and custody is awarded to Larry Birkhead as the natural father, with visitation rights for Virgie and Donald Hogan, the biological grandparents...Dannielyn will be safe in the care of two families who fought very hard to rescue her from a monster...and a depraved life of drugs and death.

Life is not perfect for any child born in this world today. Dannielyn will have a life of challenge and adversity ..like most of us. It’s up to her to make life purposeful.

I expect Virgie cannot get her head around Larry as a single father and I detect some anti-Virgie bias here - probably based on how Anna turned out. Hey - life is a gamble....Anna was blessed with good looks and intelligence - she chose the low road.


10,189 posted on 05/03/2007 2:20:42 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Rte66

Thanks for the tip about “Damp Rid”. My folks house needed something like that. We’re up at about 4500ft, and the air is very, very dry. This is something caused by the bathtub. Like I said, the caulking looks pretty good, but there is always water(carpet in the bathroom is a baaad idea-and with the landlord’s permission, we’re ripping it out ASAP), on the carpet. I have pushpins around somewhere, and want to secure the shower curtain to the wall. This is a manufactured home, and the tubs are preformed plastic. I sure wouldn’t buy this place!

No, we’re going to have to rip out the drywall, possibly replace any insulation, and spray with straight bleach. Wearing masks of course. After the problem gets fixed, of course. This doesn’t happen when you take a bath, just use the shower.

I know how you feel about luxuries. If you could go yard sailing, you could pick up a microwave cheaply. Thrift stores would probably have them. My stuff was in storage for almost two years, so I know how you feel. LOL, those Oreck vacs are very expensive! There is a Bissel vac for 39.99 at Walmart. I’m wary, though. I’d rather spend a little more and not have it fall apart on me. My family sends me money for gifts, but I’m afraid if I spend on frivilous things like clothes from the clearance rack, something will go wrong, so I sit on it.

Are there church volunteers that could help you out with transportation? Lots of “outreach ministries” in my neck of the woods. We also have lots of Hispanic markets, which are the size of regular grocery store chains. The produce is good, and you can use reclosable sandwich bags and break up small packs of pork chops and boneless chicken legs, etc. I know it’s the transportation problem.

It galls me that the government waves all these programs around, but try and qualify for them if you’re a legal American.


10,192 posted on 05/03/2007 2:27:21 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Head Caterer for the FIRM)
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To: apocalypto

“””I am sorry to see the vicious “bash Virgie Arthur” posts that have sprouted here.”””

I want to know who were the morons watching the ANS reality show? By watching her self-destruct - should the network who broadcast that pornography be blamed for encouraging her drugged out behavior and contributing to her death?

Those same viewers are probably blaming Virgie for not rescuing Anna from HK$. It helps to find a scapegoat..when the real goat is so elusive.


10,193 posted on 05/03/2007 2:28:49 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: toldyou
I agree. Virgie could have lied. She could also have been mistaken if LB was continually going to and from with HKS. LB could have been staying there mostly (and who could blame him - to be with DL) and still have his things at a hotel. The fact that he showed up at 6:30 am to collect that darling little baby could have been after he checked out of his hotel room. BUT WE don't know. We only know what "they" want to put out. Virgie has eyes and a brain - a cops brain - and she may have put two and two together seeing them come cna go together. She could have been mistaken. I don't believe she out and out lied. I also believe that HKS has something on LB (not that it matters a bit) but, IMO, that is the way HKS works (re: the clown video). This way he can get LB to "work" with him. Only time will tell for any of this.
10,194 posted on 05/03/2007 2:30:13 PM PDT by gopheraj
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To: sodpoodle

“Virgie’s only avenue for legal standing in Florida, to bring a wrongful death suit against HK$ and KE, is as guardian of Anna’s sole surviving minor child, Dannielynn.”

Oh, I see....wrongful death suit = $$$$$$$

I did not know that you could not bring a wrongful death suit as a mother.


10,195 posted on 05/03/2007 2:30:44 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: roses of sharon; TrishaSC

If a person has closed their mind to everything except their own point of view, no amount of explaining will change it. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.


10,196 posted on 05/03/2007 2:30:52 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: Lizarde

In keeping with your small furry rodent themes.....do you look like a chipmunk?

(((hugs)))


10,197 posted on 05/03/2007 2:31:22 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: apocalypto
What I find incredibly odd is that Larry Birkhead has not demanded that a proper investigation be done into the deaths of Anna Nicole and Daniel and that the culprits be punished. Also, he has allegedly good will towards Howard, the man who went to crazy lengths to keep him from his child. Maybe there is an explanation. So far I have not heard it.

I think Virgie may be on to something about what HKS may have on LB. It is going to be up to Virgie to get justice for her child and grandchild.

10,198 posted on 05/03/2007 2:32:14 PM PDT by gopheraj
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To: sodpoodle

“Or just the posts where the evil Virgie...”

I am glad you see her as evil, too.


10,199 posted on 05/03/2007 2:32:26 PM PDT by toldyou
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