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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


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To: roses of sharon; apocalypto; All

Been following the thread offline since the weekend. Just have a few minutes now and then can return on Saturday. The baby looks totally normal, good natured, unfrightened, all perfect...time will reveal any neural deficits, but maybe she’ll escape any long term drug baby effects. Someone here more qualified than me thought she wouldn’t.

I was so glad to hear last night, thanks to the transcription(!) that Virgie isn’t going to quit. Then neither should we. I believe she’s speaking plainly. I got the message. Howie isn’t free and clear until she draws her last breath or runs out of legal options. I suspect her O’Quinn is doing the work pro bono, bulldog that he is.

Don’t know why some on this thread are taking up so much bandwidth to argue against the old lady from Texas. She’s no saint, and neither am I. So how about chilling on the subject and let’s get back to focusing on what we need to...the evidence, the facts, the inquest?

Happy gardening everyone! Spring is here. Rte66, take care of yourself..we need you!


10,251 posted on 05/03/2007 4:12:07 PM PDT by SundayGardener
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To: sodpoodle

Yep... and a lot of people thought Donald Hogan was a great guy after Greta’s interview with him.


10,252 posted on 05/03/2007 4:12:19 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“The way I understand they only put them into foster care if there is not a grandparent, aunt, uncle, etc.,, willing to take them then they can send them to an OOS relative.”

I have NEVER seen such a think happen in the past 15 years in Los Angeles County Childrens’ Services Family Justice Court. I have heard of it being attempted and have heard requests for same. I have never known it to happen. The rationale is that it it too hard to investigate, clear, and reliably certify a foster placement out of county. The only way I’ve know it to ‘sorta work is if the grandparent comes to LA and establish residence, even temporarily in LA county and then, and it’s a BIG maybe then, the Foster Home agency might fast track an evaluation and then would theoretically forward that eval on to CPS. I’ve never seen it work for an out of state grandparent or aunt or uncle. In fact grandparents living in LA who are not already certified through the Foster Home agency have difficulty getting custody of their grandkids unless the parent who has custody voluntarily places them. The voluntary route may or may not be permitted by the investigating social worker depending on her/his assessment of risk to the child that the parent under investigation will reverse their position without notice and make a pile of paperwork down the road for them as they try to then go back into court to place the child WITHOUT the renigging parent’s permission.

Maybe you’re thinking of some other county in California.


10,253 posted on 05/03/2007 4:12:26 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: sodpoodle

“Anyone who suffers financial or other(provable) loss as the result of a wrongful death at the hands of a third party may sue. Virgie could only sue as guardian of the minor child whose losses are unquestionable. That would be Dannielynn - she has been robbed of a brother and mother.”

Who has suffered financial or other loss as the result of a wrongful death?

I am am sooooo tired of sue happy people. And Virgie is a prime example!


10,254 posted on 05/03/2007 4:13:10 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Dante3; sodpoodle

The thing about this woman’s comment and I’m sure she was frustrated but it shows already why Virgie would need something in writing. Also Tony Potts was on the floor egging it on. This is a family reunion why even bring such a subject up and why even answer.


10,255 posted on 05/03/2007 4:13:46 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: Dante3

“Good people would make amends for the sake of the child.”

You are right! Virgie should never be doing what she is doing.....fighting for custody.

That child deserves a happy life. Let her father enjoy her without having to fight in court for his rights as a father.


10,256 posted on 05/03/2007 4:17:55 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: sodpoodle
Larry has a stepmother who knows something we don't know -- what went on inside that courtroom in the Bahamas.

My comment isn't really contradictory, because one only had to turn on the TV to see ANS was totally drugged out and leaning on that poor child for support.... like I said, did you watch the news during that period to see what I'm talking about.

My comments saying Virgie should have tried to get Daniel out of there is based on her sudden wanting to be so concerned about Larry and his raising of his daughter. It started with me saying why wasn't she that concerned about Daniel who WAS with a parent that should not be raising him in a druged-out state...

See what I am saying???? she seems concerned about DL and yet talks mostly about the money not the baby -- so if safety of her grandchild is her concern then safety of the other grandson should have been as big a priority since we know his mother was not a good roll model or, in seeing public video of the two, really the parent in the relationship.

10,257 posted on 05/03/2007 4:18:58 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: sodpoodle

If it requires having custody of Dannilynn and affects her living conditions now and going forward, then if affects her and I am against that.


10,258 posted on 05/03/2007 4:20:01 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: TrishaSC; All; sodpoodle; Dante3

CLARIFICATION

I went back to the video and double checked. It’s Larry’s father that says he hopes to never talk to her. Sorry I got that initially mixed up. He is asked how does he feel about the other grandparent and he says that he doesn’t understand why she would have more rights than him and then Tony Potts says what would you say to her...step mom mumbles something but it’s just the dad who makes that comment.


10,259 posted on 05/03/2007 4:20:39 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Ping to my last comment. I reviewed the tape and it’s the grandad who makes that comment. Just wanted to clarify.


10,260 posted on 05/03/2007 4:22:20 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: sodpoodle

IMO — and just MO — it will be very, very difficult to prove wrongful death for ANS (not in the case of Daniel). Look back at the old article posted her the past three months... how many stories was there about ANS demanding her drugs? Don’t think that won’t affect a potential jury, it will... Not saying HKS is innocent, but proving he is not innocent — especially if Moe and his wife and others are unwilling to talk will be very difficult and Florida sets the bar to win a wrongful death suit very high....


10,261 posted on 05/03/2007 4:22:26 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Dante3

What makes you think Larry has something going on with Larry? Virgie???? She said they were living together and that wasn’t true....and the stepmother knows a lot, that not one of us on this thread knows, about what has really gone on the past three months in the Bahamas... perhaps we will know the story one day and then we can say what his stepmother said was right or wrong.


10,262 posted on 05/03/2007 4:25:01 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: SundayGardener

I have as much right to “take up bandwidth” on the subject as you do...


10,263 posted on 05/03/2007 4:26:06 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: TrishaSC

Thanks.. remember the dad and stepmother spent a couple of weeks in the Bahamas with Larry before he left to go back to California prior to the DNA test/


10,264 posted on 05/03/2007 4:28:28 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

” The way I understand they only put them into foster care if there is not a grandparent, aunt, uncle, etc.,, willing to take them then they can send them to an OOS relative.”

I just re-read my post to you and I want to clarify that I am not trying to be flip or cavalier in my answer to you. What you might detect is exasperation with an overburdened, ineffectual system.

What you wrote is what most people - logically, lovingly believe ought to be able to occur. I agree with that perspective.

My tone - of frustrated anger at the reality of the situations is from working within the courts there, working with both caring and indifferent workers, therapists and judges and knowing how harsh and overworked the entire system is and has been for many, many years. Sadly what you wrote just is too naive and too sweet to occur even with the utmost effort.

The system has developed very protective,rigid measures to justify it’s actions or inactions/inflexibility as a way of attempting to not break down completely.


10,265 posted on 05/03/2007 4:30:26 PM PDT by nynjanais
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To: TrishaSC

Isn’t that funny? You made a simple mistake, and we’ll be hearing about the awful “stepmother” for a few months....simply because someone missed your most recent post.

Not that I’m faulting you, but that’s what happens when the news reports something, it’s found as false, and everyone gets carried away by it, and reports it as fact.

Like I said...I’m not faulting you. It was an honest mistake.


10,266 posted on 05/03/2007 4:30:45 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Arizona Carolyn
You can call it vengeance or whatever you want to. If I were in VA's place and my child and grandson died under these circumstanced, I sure would want to see justice done and not have them labeled as NHI - as Perper and Wecht have dismissed them.

A wrongful death suit was applauded in the OJ case. And it certainly it proper here in view of the facts. ANS was drugged with drugs prescribed for HKS - he had to provide her with them, etc.

HKS and KE are the villains here. The trashing of an elderly woman - who lost a daughter and grandson - has taken on an ugly and obsessive quality.

10,267 posted on 05/03/2007 4:31:10 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I would be curious to know how much scrunity would fall on the Seminole PD and Perper in a wrongful death suit. I do think it would blow the lid off if it could be shown that the case was handled improperly.


10,268 posted on 05/03/2007 4:32:29 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“”””If it requires having custody of Dannilynn “””

Virgie has publicly stated she does not want custody(physical possession) of DL, just guaranteed visitation rights.

Guardianship(representation such as Milstein had)would give Virgie legal standing to in legal decisions/hearings when Larry does not have the stomach for it. i.e. wrongful death suit against HK$ and KE.

i.e. in probating Anna’s 2001 will - Virgie and Larry could represent the best interests of DL who IIRC is excluded as a beneficiary. Larry really does need Virgie’s gutsy attitude in exposing HK$’ despicable reign of terror.


10,269 posted on 05/03/2007 4:36:18 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Dante3
In California the Goldman family were able to bring the suit because they lost there son... there was a direct line of loss. Florida is more difficult. Pull it up and look at it.

I just cannot justify using that child for vengence. There has been too much pain already in her little life, she needs to be away from all of this an in a happier living situation.

10,270 posted on 05/03/2007 4:36:26 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: TrishaSC

If OQ can figure out a way to do this that doesn’t involve Virgie having to have custody of Dannilynn -—then go for it...


10,271 posted on 05/03/2007 4:37:28 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: toldyou
We have all made honest mistakes. The media has become far too sloppy, not only regarding this story but others also. One story where they went wild was the Duke lacrosse case. Another was the Kinsey experiments. And some information they hide and coverup such as President Kennedy’s mistresses.
10,272 posted on 05/03/2007 4:37:55 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3

“The trashing of an elderly woman”

Elderly woman? Who is that?


10,273 posted on 05/03/2007 4:39:30 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Arizona Carolyn

They already have..it’s called co-guardianship which is what is being attempted in the Bahamas. She won’t have custody.


10,274 posted on 05/03/2007 4:39:31 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: toldyou
New article

Larry Birkhead & Anna Nicole Smith Baby: The Battle for the Cash

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By Jo Anne Way

May 3, 2007

Larry Birkhead and his baby girl are finally home. The little infant girl of the late Anna Nicole Smith and her proud papa landed in the US and are in Larry's home state of Kentucky. The 7-month-old baby girl of cover girl Anna Nicole Smith and her only living heir arrived at a Kentucky on Tuesday and that is where they should remain.

Larry Birkhead & Anna Nicole Smith Baby: The Battle for the Cash

The custody battle over Dannielynn Birkhead is not over yet, grandma, Virgie Arthur, still fighting tooth and nail for Dannielynn and control of that half-a-billion-dollar stake the baby may inherit, the parties set to square off for another legal showdown in the Bahamas. The battle for what many believe is the cash - will continue. There is a hearing scheduled for June 8 in the Bahamas.

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Access Hollywood has some incredible pictures of the 'homecoming' and this report: Welcome home, Larry Birkhead.

Judy Birkhead's request to her brother (or was it an order?) signaled a much needed return to normalcy for a man who has spent the past 6 months telling the world he was, indeed, the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby, and three months battling in the Bahamian courts to take her home. The first thing she asked Larry, "Hey Larry, would you take the garbage out?"

The legal wrangling, the relentless media pursuit, it was, at least for now, all behind him. Larry, physically and emotionally drained, was happy to be surrounded by the people he loved, surrounded by people overjoyed to have the newest Birkhead family member home.

Dannielynnn sat contentedly on her father's lap as the Birkhead clan - sister, brother, parents, niece and nephews - gathered in a family room, chatting about the events of the past, the challenges that lay ahead and the love and support they have for each other.

***

This is Larry's baby - the battle for whatever money may come should be over. I'm guessing it is not.

10,275 posted on 05/03/2007 4:39:58 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Her point about the fact that now everyone who does not leave a will can have a judge appoint an ad litum to decide where they are buried - is indeed scary! It is ridiculous!!!!!

Its not only ridiculous -- it is incorrect. ANS did not have a GAL assigned to her. ANS' next of kin, Danielynn had a GAL assigned to watch over her legal interests because Danielynn was an infant.

Those who do not leave a will and have next of kin who are over legal age will not have a GAL appointed to them.

10,276 posted on 05/03/2007 4:40:20 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland
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To: nynjanais

For kids that is a sucky system.....


10,277 posted on 05/03/2007 4:40:29 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I know Florida is different. No way is DL used for vengeance. When she grows up, she surely would apprecaited if justice was done to her mother. You might consider ANS a NHI - many do, but that does not justify those causing ther death to be given a pass.


10,278 posted on 05/03/2007 4:41:25 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: sodpoodle
Howard Stern publically told Larry King he was the father and he stated last night to Brook from Showbiz tonight that when HKS told him that he didn't believe him....

I didn't believe HKS when he said that back in September, I don't beleive Virgie when she told Greta.

10,279 posted on 05/03/2007 4:41:47 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Lizarde

that is really “trailer trash talk” - is she from Texas? sarc/

We weren't all born here -- but we got here as soon as we could! And I've met more trailer trash on the East coast.

10,280 posted on 05/03/2007 4:42:19 PM PDT by Tx Angel
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To: TrishaSC

If I was Larry I would fight tooth and nail to keep co-Guardianship from taking place.


10,281 posted on 05/03/2007 4:42:56 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: mom4kittys

Yes, I just came through another thunder storm on my way home from work. We are getting our share of rain thats for sure. Water puddles are currently standing in my backyard.


10,282 posted on 05/03/2007 4:43:18 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: TexKat

You can send that rain West of the Rockies anytime now...


10,283 posted on 05/03/2007 4:44:17 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: sodpoodle

“I’m waiting for the anti-Virgies to start suggesting she may have killed Anna and Daniel for the money!”

Oh, please!


10,284 posted on 05/03/2007 4:45:30 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: TrishaSC

“””I reviewed the tape and it’s the grandad who makes that comment. Just wanted to clarify.”””

I’m not sure it makes too much of a difference. It was still one of Larry’s parents taking a swipe at Virgie.

Neither Larry’s dad or step-mother is grieving for a daughter and grandson. They have just been blessed with a new addition to their family - a cute little baby - whose mother they barely knew and hardly miss. Did they mention Anna or Daniel in the ‘family reunion’? Or did they just slam Virgie?


10,285 posted on 05/03/2007 4:45:39 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: toldyou

“I’m waiting for the anti-Virgies to start suggesting she may have killed Anna and Daniel for the money!”

Oh, please!

Oh Thank You!


10,286 posted on 05/03/2007 4:46:40 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I’m sure he’s doing it. All that stuff is so entwined. Remember I posted that the court could even (God Forbid) make HKS co-guardian. If it wasn’t for the inquest and for being so tainted I think he could have made a pretty good case and be appointed.


10,287 posted on 05/03/2007 4:48:25 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: toldyou
Sorry folks...we all know that Larry is 34 years old...not 16. So her argument to help handle the “money” is that she doesn’t want him to buy Dannielynn a Porche when she’s 14? Larry will be 48 years old then, Virgie will be 69 and she should have a say in it? I was not impressed with her interview. She put everyone down except her attorney.

Agreed. Greta threw her nothing but softballs. What would you all expect Virgie to say anyway? "Yes, I'm in it for the money." She has no business telling a 34 year old man how to handle his daughter's money and as it stands just how much money does Dannielynn have right now? Counting on Marshall money that might never come is silly but seems to be just what Virgie is talking about.

10,288 posted on 05/03/2007 4:49:04 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland
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To: Lizarde

“””I am above flaming right now because I’m drugged up”””

Let me know if that works!


10,289 posted on 05/03/2007 4:49:22 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: sodpoodle

“The blessing is of course that HK$ and Larry have an opportunity to provide Dannielynn with a Hollywood career that her mother only dreamed of.”

You must be kidding. Please...your source? I have never heard of this, and you did not say it was sarcasm...


10,290 posted on 05/03/2007 4:50:59 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Tx Angel; TrishaSC

“”””And I’ve met more trailer trash on the East coast.””

I resemble that remark - we have never met!

LOL


10,291 posted on 05/03/2007 4:51:58 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: toldyou

“The blessing is of course that HK$ and Larry have an opportunity to provide Dannielynn with a Hollywood career that her mother only dreamed of.”

You must be kidding. Please...your source? I have never heard of this, and you did not say it was sarcasm...
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This is an opinion forum - you are privileged to be able to read my opinion - or not!


10,292 posted on 05/03/2007 4:54:13 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: nynjanais

That’s not true. CPS will try to place minor children in the custody of a family member prior to foster care.

Of course, in the case of Daniel Smith, he probably would have been better off in foster care.


10,293 posted on 05/03/2007 4:55:22 PM PDT by Tx Angel
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To: Arizona Carolyn

What would you proprose Vergie do to push, push, and push for the Inquest to go forward? I don’t see where she has any control over the Bahamian Inquest in any way. She is not a Bahamian citizen and she is not listed as a witness. Certainly, she could call witnesses (such as Daniel’s friends) to make sure they will show up for the inquest to testify on Daniel’s behalf, and she does plan to be in the Bahamas for the Inquest, but I can’t see what else she could do to make it happen sooner. The Bahamian government has postponed the Inquest twice now, and HKS is responsible for the latest postponement. Vergie is not a Bahamian citizen, and she has a better chance at getting justice in the U.S. Information uncovered during a wrong death civil trial could possibly allow an exhumation of Daniel’s body, so a PROPER sutopsy could be performed. Having said that, Vergie is NOT IGNORING the Inquest. She plans to be in the Bahamas for the entire proceeding, but she is not going to ‘give up and go away’ so that HKS can continue on his path of destruction with Dannielynn or anyone else.


10,294 posted on 05/03/2007 4:55:30 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Thanks AC, as far as sending the rain your way I don’t know about that. Because I believe as soon as we stop getting the rain its going to be almost as hot as hell here.


10,295 posted on 05/03/2007 4:56:36 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: toldyou
If Virgie saw HKS two times in her life, how did Donna Hogan know him? And Virgie said she doesn’t even know Donna Hogan!

You're not supposed to notice discrepancies like that. After all Greta didn't ask her to elaborate. Personally I think Virgie was given the questions in advance and maybe even had final veto power over what was aired and what was not.

10,296 posted on 05/03/2007 4:57:42 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland
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To: An American In Dairyland

“””Counting on Marshall money that might never come is silly but seems to be just what Virgie is talking about.””

Virgie convinced me that Marshall’s money is tainted - like the Hope Diamond. She doesn’t want it, need it nor does she expect to ever see it.

I could be wrong and will never know - because both Virgie and I will be long gone before that matter is ever resolved.


10,297 posted on 05/03/2007 4:58:53 PM PDT by sodpoodle ( Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption)
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To: An American In Dairyland

How is that a discrepancy?? Donna was Don’s kid not Virgie’s.


10,298 posted on 05/03/2007 4:59:24 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I am happy that LB got his baby and pray that he does right by her (which I believe that he will).

In the meantime I will take the 5th on Virgie, I will wait and see. But I do not understand why she is demanding joint custody.

10,299 posted on 05/03/2007 5:00:16 PM PDT by TexKat ((Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.))
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To: TexKat
That it will.. but it would be less humid when it does get hot....

Actually, it's clouding up here.. I suspect more is coming your way soon..

10,300 posted on 05/03/2007 5:00:43 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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