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Skip to comments.Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3
Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys
Thread Number 3
“”””i believe i read earlier on that HKS and KE mite of had a thing going. Maybe they just had to get rid of ANS and live off her money?”””
Probably speculation by someone who needed a “normal” explanation for why HK$ and KE were equally callous in their treatment of Anna’s grief and drug problem(s).
IMHO both of them are sociopaths and whatever exacerbated their disgust with, and hatred for Anna, they each played a part in her death.
Thanks for that link - and May 22 seems a LOONGGG way from now. If true that Howie has to stay in the Bahamas til then - GOOD! The longer he is required to stay anywhere AWAY from Dannielynn Birkhead, the better.
“”””a GOOD source who says Howie cant leave the Bahamas and his movements there are limited until the Inquest - at the same time he said that lawyers deny this...so go figure”””
I would tbink that the only way he could be prevented from leaving the Bahamas would be if the authorities had confiscated his US passport....and that would need approval by the US consulate wouldn’t it?
Does anyone know the diplomatic protocol?
Ok, have taken some photos of the room boxes. Then I tried to download the software that comes with my digital camera and it says it doesn’t work on Windows 98 which is what I still have on my PC, (I know - dinosaur OS). But I am going to figure out a way to do this and will get them uploaded so you can see them soon.
Who was present at both the death of ANK and of Daniel? only HKS
Who does not want a hearing into Daniel's cause of death? only HKS
Who has consistently lied regarding these two cases? HKS
Who provided drugs to ANS? HKS & KE (KE also sent odd sums of money to the Bahamas, odd for a so-called therapist to sent money to a patient)
Who kept ANS's son and others from contacting her and kept her in isolation? HKS
Who mocked ANS during the funeral? HKS
So far no one has been able to present HKS as possessing any good character traits (NG's shout of "what a man," Jamie's babble, and the "gut feelings" by his family & friends do not count)
Thanks, I’m really excited about seeing them! I hope you get the software going—maybe you can get new drivers or upgrades from the software website?
Oh, good! Go to the camera’s website - they’ll have the fix. I had the same problem with the borrowed camera I used for my 1000s of mini’s photos. Camera website had a fix.
So many posts I want to reply to the past two days and to my FReepmail, but I am feeling way under the weather here and will have to wait a couple of days before I’m clear-headed again.
It’s just some bad cold symptoms, but with all my other “stuff,” they hit me like a ton of bricks. Sorry. As usual, I have a lot to say, but no stamina for typing.
Take care, all!
OH -good idea - will check out the camera website. If that doesn’t work, I’ll take the card in the camera to a local film developing place and they will help me get this done. Thanks.
However, I do recall reading or hearing a report several weeks ago, concerning HKS not being allowed to leave the Bahamas. Which begs the question - Did HKS secretly stowaway on the same jet as LB and DL, headed for the USA? LOL
How are you feeling today? I was impressed by your lack of pain after having dental surgery. Just thinking of what you had done, makes my mouth hurt. Glad you made it thru the worst part okay and will have a 'beautiful' smile real soon.
I will be delighted if I’m wrong, but just wait. I just don’t believe it.
“i believe i read earlier on that HKS and KE mite of had a thing going. Maybe they just had to get rid of ANS and live off her money?”
I think their “thing” was about the same as a hyenna might have with a vulture. Not sexual, but a “thing” nonetheless.
I just don’t think the ANS and HKS “thing” was sexual. HKS seems, if anything, gay.
Plus, everytime I’ve seen the old “ANS Show” videos (which Wes shot) including the one with Wes in them, like the one where ANS redoes Khris and Wes’s house to include a passion pit... I think Hmmm, what was ANS trying to do for Khris and Wes? and why? What did ANS know about Khris and Wes? Wes is quite a bit younger than Khris. I think Wes may have been the connection to everyone. He’s got that sort of Yani handsome and pretty at the same time look.
Oh I doubt it either. An overcrowded jail would not keep either you or me from going if we’d been the “culprit”.
IMO, your body is in a state of "shock", as it would be from any major trauma, and is why you are dragging a little. You many not be recognizing the state of shock because there's no pain but 'dragging a little' is a sure sign your body knows! lol
Your body is working overtime right now, replacing all the RBCs that were lost during surgery, and producing tons of good little wBC 'pac mans' to eat up all the infectious little 'pac mans' who are wanting to attack the bone grafts, tissue/bone around the grafts.
Anesthesia depletes B12 and folic acid, so you might find it beneficial to try upping your usual B12/folic to help fortify your immune system's 'machinery' and to assist in remineralizing the bone around the grafts/implant bolts :)
Again, congrats on your beautiful new teefers!! - they sure beat wooden ones !!
I'm coming right over !!!! Hehe :)
Its understandable that you’re very tired and haven’t yet bounced back. What you had done, isn’t minor at all. Its like any other surgery. Takes time to heal and get back to normal.
Even your diet has been changed so that could also make you tired. Also the drugs used to knock you out are probably effecting you and making you feel more tired and out of it.
Take care of yourself and get lots of rest!!
Miniature Room - Captain's Room
I'll show you 3 other 3 rooms and if you want to see more details - maybe I can link you to the tiny pics website?
These are the 3 other rooms:
“””So far no one has been able to present HKS as possessing any good character traits””
Christie (1970) notes that people who seek to control and manipulate others often become lawyers, psychiatrists, or behavioral scientists;
Going on a high protein diet really helped me out but you must exercise...casual walking is best.
I also drink grape juice every day. I buy the gallon size and pour 8 ounces into a spare bottle and sit down with it when I watch TV at night. (A sober wino). VIT C-100% of recommended
They are magnificent! You made these? My favorite is the captain’s room and the sitting room, but they are all beautiful.
“”I can picture Anna confiding in KE and KE passing everything unto Howard. I believe Anna was going to testify against Howard at the inquest and had told KE in secret. The rest is History.”””
Excellent speculation on all points concerning both KE and HKS. The ‘I hate mommy’ video was canned and waiting for just the right moment, to be aired, for all to see. And yes, it does hint at pre-meditation with HKS being seen(probably by accident) prompting Anna as to what to say. Not sure if it means anything, but Anna also used the words, ‘Bring it on’, in the email to G Ben Thompson.
As far as KE’s friendship with Anna, the ole phrase ‘with friends like KE, who needs enemies’ definitely applies. Your speculation of KE passing on Anna’s confidential conversations to HKS, such as her testifying against him at Daniel’s inquest, is extremely probable.
If the Nannies are to be believed, Anna did in fact, blame HKS for Daniel’s death, and therefore could have relayed those accusations to KE, whom she assumed was her friend. Any sociopath would hardily agree HKS had no other choice, than to stop Anna from repeating those accusations at Daniel’s inquest. After all, according to HKS, Anna’s death would make her happy, since she would be with Daniel. ‘sarcasm’
According to those who were with Anna that last week, Anna was critically ill. However, her ‘two best friends’, neglected to get her the medical help, that could have saved her. Could Anna’s tearful, pleading words to KE - “Please don’t leave me” - have actually been, “Please don’t leave me alone with HKS”???
In the past, we heard a previous assistant of Anna’s, say - orders from HKS were to NOT call 911, but to wait for him to determine what to do. If HKS gave Anna’s employees/friends this instruction, you’d think after Daniel’s death, the rules would have changed.
Daniel’s tragic and suspicious death, should have put all involved, on ‘High Alert’, to prevent another death by drugs. But instead of being careful, KE and HKS continued to dispense multiple drugs to Anna?? Moe knowing what caused Daniel’s death and how ill Anna was, still delayed calling 911. Why?? Did Taz perhaps tell Moe that Anna was already dead??
KE had to know how easy it would be for Anna to overdose on CH, especially in combination with the other respiratory suppressing drugs. We know the CH was hidden in the infamous bag. Its still a * mystery * how Anna ended up with the LETHAL morning dose of CH.(Note KE used the word mystery to describe the manner of death, prior to it being released as accidental drug-overdose) It makes no sense for Anna to want to go back to sleep at 10am, when they were scheduled to take possession of ‘The Cracker’ and set sail the very day she died.
When KE was interviewed by ET on the so called flight back to Florida, she appeared more like a giddy teenager, than a professional doctor, whose best friend had just died, from drugs that she herself had prescribed. It was very chilling to hear her describe speaking to one of the EMT personnel, on the scene. She said something similar to this ‘is she like dead’, with an eerie grin on her face. KE also worried that HKS would be alone with the police. Why would that worry her??
Both KE and especially HKS, knew Anna’s Mom, Virgie had warned Anna she better get away fast, or she might suffer the same fate that Daniel did. Virgie stated - Anna, you might be next. I’m having great difficulty putting into words, just how bizarre it was, for both KE and HKS to NOT have been SUPER CAREFUL, with monitoring/or dispensing Anna’s intake of drugs.
What are the odds of TWO DRUG OVER-DOSES, by a Mother and Son, within 5 months of each other, with the same person or persons being linked to the events??? Astronomical, I’d say. But yet, we find the media now focused on vilifying Virgie, who is the one person who warned Anna of the impending danger that awaited her. Sorry for the long post! ;(
The boxes are mahogany wood that we ordered from somewhere in Central America. The fireplace in the Captain's room and the log holder in that fireplace were ordered from Great Britain. The chair and desk in the Captain's room were handmade by a wonderful miniature furniture maker in Tennessee. So that room is my favorite too!
Anyway these boxes are on either side of my dining room mirror so I USE them in my house.
I also have a whole doll house cut through so you only see the rooms as in a roombox - but I haven't taken pictures of those rooms. That is an early 1900's roombox.
Anyway - don't have the time or the money for this hobby any more - but it was fun when I was doing it.
I am sorry to read you are still recovering from your dental surgery - energy wise. Am sure it is from your eating restrictions....such a big change must have a major impact on your energy. Do you use a food processor and grind up some chicken/beef to get some more protein from that? Could you eat like chicken salad with minced chicken? And I know you must be taking vitamins. Here's hoping you recuperate soon....back to your old energetic self!
I really admire your handiwork. Ii would be so proud if I had that kind of talent!
Captain's Room - closeup view of the desk and its contents.
The little ink well/candle holder also came from England and is a prize possession. You can see the Captain's spectacles, his ledger book, his pistol, a little box for his keys and other things, and a miniature canon if you look closely. Also, his tricornered hat is in the chair. His spyglass if on the tripod so he can look out to view his ship in the harbor which shows up through the window. The model ship on the wall is a miniature of his own ship. The rug on the floor is handwoven by a cousin who works on a loom and creates beautiful rugs both tiny and large.
My favorite historical period in our nation's history is the Revolutionary War era - and these "rooms" reflect that time period and, perhaps, a Captain who would later serve in America's fledgling Navy.
I absolutely love them. Do you make shadow boxes for personal momentos as well or is that an entirely different thing?
Rte66 and I share the enthusiasm of miniaturists - see what you learn on this "unimportant" thread??? Hope you enjoy, Rte - and glad others like them as well.
Closeup of Parlor. Had much fun finding the items to go on the Secretary. Especially like the little ink well with the feather ink pen, the pewter patriots marching, the bust of George Washington, and there's a little ceramic of a bird on a branch.
In the shelf box (on the right of this picture) are 3 ceramics and a silver ink holder while on the little table is another ceramic of a bird on a branch, plus some books which have fallen over (uh oh-bad housekeeper), and a little framed flower (can't see that clearly).
Ok, will do the others in separate posts.
No I've never tried doing boxes for others - like for mimentos of a favorite scene from their life - but I know others do this.
That would be fun to do if I were retired and rich - and I'm not - either one of those....LOL.
As far as making them to sell - well that was a thought back when doing them - but I never thought I could get paid what it took in terms of labor and costs of all that went into them so I never took up with that idea.
So they were just a private joy. Now am glad to be able to share them with you.
The reason I ask is because we KNOW that it is rarely tested for....and HOWARD did order the autopsy dude. In addition, Howard said that Daniel said he was suddenly "sleepy" and perhaps he (Howard) should have thought more of it at the time. Since when does SLEEPY equate to death??
Daniel must have felt "DIZZY"...and Howard probably gave him the methadone dose at that time (between 6:30 and 7:00 AM) in iced tea??) So they would find a large dose of meth....and not even look for the chloral hydrate which is what made Daniel...NOT SLEEPY...BUT "DIZZY".
I would suppose that this life story garbage which shows Daniel's death would agree with what Anna told the cops.....many days after Daniel died and in fact....MUST BE...CAN ONLY BE...the story that Howard "Made Up"...and will "WRITE AND DIRECT" in the movie.
IT was supposed to be a screen movie but you can bet your booties that if he can get it on TV.....every potential juror in the Bahamas will be notified.
Here's one more closeup. This is of the Sitting Room. I must say this little digital camera did pretty well for these little rooms - I was surprised. Not fantastic, but good.
The Sitting Room was the first room I made. It has a fireplace (look back on the first pic) that flickers. The cabinet here has some more fun little things in it like miniature HAND BLOWN glass pitchers (from Williamsburg); a ceramic pitcher; a pewter pitcher and pewter cups. Notice the Picture of George Washington on the wall - he was well known and admired by this captain and is highlighted 3 times in these room boxes. Now if you look at the chair there is an oxymoronic little stitched pillow that says "DEACS"....a bit of fun I did after finding a mini UNC pillo and a mini-Wake Forest Deacs pillow. Put them in this Revolutionary War era house just to have fun....can't take this work that seriously, you know? Oh you can't see them well but the little ceramic urns on the corner of the mantel (one on each corner) are mini-treasures that I cherish also.
Yep, that's what I learned, too. Psychopaths are overrepresented in law and psychiatry, and, if I recall, politics (big surprise there).
Robert Hare is currently the pre-eminent authority on psychopaths, and he even admits to being fooled by them more than a few times.
You don't want a psycho in regular therapy, cause all they learn is how to act more human and how to better fool laypeople and authorities. As a psychiatrist, just imagine!
Typically the “culprit” is taken off to jail in handcuffs immediately after the verdict is read (according to Nancy Grace).
The following comes from an article on manipulative people that can be found here: http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html
I've presented the principal tactics that covert-aggressives use to manipulate and control others. They are not always easy to recognize. Although all aggressive personalities tend to use these tactics, covert-aggressives generally use them slickly, subtly and adeptly. Anyone dealing with a covertly aggressive person will need to heighten gut-level sensitivity to the use of these tactics if they're to avoid being taken in by them.
Playing the Servant Role Covert-aggressives use this tactic to cloak their self-serving agendas in the guise of service to a more noble cause. It's a common tactic but difficult to recognize. By pretending to be working hard on someone else's behalf, covert-aggressives conceal their own ambition, desire for power, and quest for a position of dominance over others. (It's what Anna would have wanted; the Marshall millions; lackey extraordinaire)
Seduction Covert-aggressive personalities are adept at charming, praising, flattering or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and surrender their trust and loyalty. Covert-aggressives are also particularly aware that people who are to some extent emotionally needy and dependent (and that includes most people who aren't character-disordered) want approval, reassurance, and a sense of being valued and needed more than anything. Appearing to be attentive to these needs can be a manipulator's ticket to incredible power over others. ....
He melts any resistance you might have to giving him your loyalty and confidence. He does this by giving you what he knows you need most. He knows you want to feel valued and important. So, he often tells you that you are. You don't find out how unimportant you really are to him until you turn out to be in his way. (Anna, now Larry, and g-d knows who else!)
Projecting the blame (blaming others) Aggressive personalities are always looking for a way to shift the blame for their aggressive behavior. Covert-aggressives are not only skilled at finding scapegoats, they're expert at doing so in subtle, hard to detect ways. (All together now, "VIRGIE!!!!)
Diversion A moving target is hard to hit. When we try to pin a manipulator down or try to keep a discussion focused on a single issue or behavior we don't like, he's expert at knowing how to change the subject, dodge the issue or in some way throw us a curve. (e.g., Howard as 'Prissy', in Seidlin's court- "I don't know nuthin' 'bout medications, duh" (reference all the drugs prescribed to him); "it's all Virgie's fault") Manipulators use distraction and diversion techniques to keep the focus off their behavior, move us off-track, and keep themselves free to promote their self-serving hidden agendas. (e.g., Daniel's inquest; Anna's death- anyone? anyone??? helloooo?)
That's what i had envisioned to begin with, but we ended up getting greenish black granite countertops and so i decided to go with green curtains instead. And this way is good too because it allows me to not have to reupholster the kitchen chairs.
Your little rooms are precious!
I bought a Brother sewing machine a couple of years ago, and finally took it out of the box recently. My stepdaughter used it, and now I have to find my seam ripper to undo all the improperly wound thread :( Supposed to be an auto bobbin threader, but haven’t used it. Sewing could be the way to go.
Hmmm, bright yellow? I’m thinking a small floral pattern. Tangerine or peach, or maybe red and blue flowers? Not sure what your favorite colors are, but blue and white “ticking” could be a good option.
It’s your house, you should be picky :)
All I can say is wow! You’ve done a beautiful job, and the details are so perfect. It’s none of my business, but I can’t help but think they set you back a pretty penny.
Thank you for sharing the pictures with us :)
Beautiful room. I love that style of chair.
I thought Anna and crew were supposed to leave on the boat Friday, the day after she died.
I’d read the standing orders if Anna were to OD or something were for house employees to take her to the hospital rather than calling an ambulance or 911. I do think Taz realized Anna had probably just died, and she obviously couldn’t get Anna to the hospital herself, then Moe came, and I think they all just didn’t know what to do and could see it was probably too late. My father-in-law lived in a small apartment we’d built for him on the basement level of our house, and one Saturday I found him dead in his bathroom. It was not pretty and I could see he was dead and had been for some time- rigor, etc. I did call 911 as I wasn’t sure what else I was supposed to do..... Believe it or not, he had died sometime in the night, probably as he ws getting ready for bed, and we were upstairs and went to bed and didn’t even know it. I have felt some guilt all these years, but there would have been nothing we could have done.
Oh, wow! What a treat! Thank you so much for posting them and pinging me, so they’re on my comments page.
I love them! I will write more when I feel better. Can’t sit up much, no breath. Maybe OK in a day or two. Love them, thank you!
I’ve been busy doing yard work and painting, so have missed a lot. What’s this about a life story and movie being made about Daniel and Anna? Was this news today?
I don’t think Anna was on chloral hydrate when Daniel died, but there’s no info public to prove that either way. I also don’t think Howard gave Daniel the methadone, but we also have to wait and see. I have one or two little theories, but they are just about pure speculation, as is most everything we’re talking about these days, and I’m too wiped out to write much more tonight:)
I just have a hard time buying that she was a hostage. She saw people and talked to them, she went out shopping ( an article in a Bahamian newspaper mentioned her going to the mall), she went on boat rides and went to a regatta, she travelled to the US at least a few times, she emailed, she talked to Ford Shelley and others, Shane Gibson and his family were frequent visitors, etc, etc.
Beautiful work! I know hardly anything about these room boxes, but find them pretty fascinating. Thanks for the pictures.
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