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Skip to comments.Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3
Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys
Thread Number 3
Hey - just reading about your father in law. Mercy - that must have been awful to go through. You really showed true grit dealing with it instead of letting your hubby do so given his heart health. God bless you for doing for your FIL as you did. It’s tough doing for our elders especially when they are not as pleasant as we would like for them to be.
Plus any more pictures or videos of baby Dannielynn are much appreciated.
If LB stays in Kentucky for a good while - I will be very glad about it! Want to know if there is legitimate news that he has gone to CA....with the baby....or if he is about to get married. WE have a right to have a sayso on any potential wife and mother of that baby, don't you think???? :-)
Glad that this thread's info about HYPOTHYROIDISM is benefitting you. Report in on what the Doc says/does if you care to do so. Hope this begins the beginning of good treatment for that condition if it is what you have.
Sorry it has been so debilitating and affecting the quality of your life so severely. That's no fun.
Twas I who posted the photos of the miniature rooms. Glad you enjoyed them. A hobby I once had. They are now decorating my dining room wall beside a mirror made of similar wood. The little lights - (candles, sconces, fireplace) are all able to be LIT up with the flip of a switch. Husband did the wiring. Then laid the floors, the wainscoating, the wallpaper, the paint, the windows. I added all the little treasures....through the years. As I said it took a year to complete them all and was a labor of love because it was fun to create a "period" set of rooms.
Was just wondering if anyone has heard or read any news on the whereabouts of Howie?
Still very sick - can’t breathe - can’t type.
Wanted to post what I saw on the TV tabs today, so I don’t forget. The Insider and ET had Anna movie part about in Hard Rock room and dying now.
Ford as Anna was in bed, on top of covers, wearing kind of a kimono. Tas was the big hero who noticed something wrong - there is no Brigitte in this version.
AND, Howie is in the room at the same time and starts going nutz to call 9-1-1 and get the ambulance.
Obviously, this is a fictionalized account.
And Inside Edition was mostly about Larry having his camera at the Derby - and some clips of him with various blonde ladies - most notably both Barnstable twins at the Derby in their fabu hats. They made reference at some point that he had squired Patricia (the widow Brown) over the weekend, not sure when.
Then, one of the shows, an ET one, kept showing another blonde lady with her hair up and wearing a dark blue dress. They said Larry left the Barnstable party with her on Friday night.
I couldn’t tell if it was the same person as either of the twins, without hat and with hair different - but they’re older than I am - and I’m old enough to be Larry’s mother - and not just in Anna’s family. He said she is a friend and “supporter.” (I wondered if it’s the Schilling family member whose house he’s borrowing.)
He said he had to blow the dust off his lens but it felt good to be snapping pix again, especially at Derby - they had rejected a story of his long ago and now he was an invited guest - he liked the irony.
He said he had his cell glued to his hand and called the nanny all through the time he was away, to check on Dannielynn.
One of them asked him if he was sad about Derby and relating it to missing Anna - he said he caught some of the footage over the weekend that he “had never seen before” and watched it with family (what’d I tell y’all? - how embarrassing!). Said yeah, made him sad, but he had been coming to Derby parties and covering Derby long before he met Anna.
OK, I hafta lie back down now. Or halfway down, anyway - all the way down and my nose clogs up even worse than this. More posting when I can.
Daniel's body should be re-examined before the inquest. The boy was murdered.
I wish I’d been able to do better by him, though. My husband worked, and still works, long hours, and my kids were only 5 and 9 at the time, so I was busy with them and their activities, as well as caring for our 3 acres. Less than 2 days before he died, my husband had had a day off and I had scheduled a doctor’s appointment for FIL as we were worried about him. We went downstairs to help him finish getting ready in time, only to find him at his kitchen table, NOT ready to go. He told us he decided he wasn’t going to the doctor( and a few other things) and he’d be carried out of there in a pine box. I had had it, and got angry and yelled at him and told him what was on my mind, and my husband backed me up. Hubby knew how things were, and took me out for a ride in the car and decided we needed a little distance from FIL for a bit. We had both been stressed for some time and it was a strain on the marriage and the kids. Just a week earlier I had taken him to a hospital so he could get a steroid injection in his spine, and had to take the kids with me. When we returned home, FIL had a bathroom accident, and I cleaned up the, uh, liquid on his floor and chair while he yelled at me for using his paper towels to do so. There were other incidents and we just were getting not to be able to handle it too well. Sigh.
One Saturday morning I had returned from my son’s first baseball game and heard no signs of life in the apartment. I found his door locked and looked in the windows and saw no lights. Got the key and went in, and saw the bathroom door shut so knew he was in there. Oh was I scared! Finally sucked it up to open the door, then ran outside to compose myself, telling the kids to stay upstairs. Made the phone calls and took care of things , then cleaned the bathroom after the funeral home removed him and manaaged to keep hubby calm. So, I have some bad memories but am thankful my husband nor my kids saw what I saw:) I guess after handling the crises of hubby having his heart attacks and needing to make big decisions fast, I learned a few things.
Thanks for the kind words, but I was not the saint others I have known have been, like my Grandma. I keep striving, though:)
Rte, don’t worry about keeping up here and just try to get better. Thanks for the yeoman’s effort and report!
‘You knows’. . . let’s see, HKS, Missus Clinton and today’s top rap ‘star’ use an extraordinary number of them.
In September when the interview occurred, I was paying no attention to this case. Since that time, I have come to the same conclusion as you. I have doubts that re-examining poor Daniel’s body after the DELAYS would provide insight into the cause of death, but hopefully the witnesses and information gleaned at the Bahamian autopsy will bring justice for Daniel.
You’re welcome and THANK YOU for posting the beautiful pictures!
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I just read that Larry King interview with HKS again, and I noticed this part:
KING: OK. I want to ask you about this. A tabloid claims that Anna Nicole needed money and therefore sold photos of Daniel and his baby half-sister to pay for the funeral.
STERN: When we had all the media outcry after Daniel passed, there’s literally been photographers camped across the street, driving back and forth, camera crews. And we decided that if we release those images, which told a story of a joyous night, that it was going to be a good thing and we were going to do it to create a “Daniel Wayne Smith Charitable Foundation”. So she hasn’t profited from those images. You know, those images were used or are going to be — she hasn’t received any money yet. Obviously, the funeral is going to take place long before any money comes from that.
It’s just, that’s the media attacking her when she’s down. And I just think that if — if anybody understood what it felt like to lose a child and then to have the media just come after them, I think that the media would make maybe different decisions.
I just think when Anna’s involved, for some reason people, they don’t have any empathy or compassion. They just go into attack mode, even when she suffers a horrible, horrible tragedy. And it’s wrong.
KING: So there is a foundation that when the money is received, it will go to charitable goods?
STERN: Well, we are creating the foundation. And it’s probably, you know, when we find out what the cause of Daniel’s death was, it’s going to be used to further whatever that is.
Well, what ever happened to the “Daniel Wayne Smith Charitable Foundation”??? Why is there no accountability for that OR FOR the “Dannielynn Trust” that HKS set up with the proceeds from Anna’s funeral? That is absolute LARCENY!! There is no evidence of a FUND for Daniel or a TRUST for Dannielynn!! That ASSHOLE HKS has pocketed all of that money, and apparently, that is just FINE with all of the authorities, in the Bahamas, and the U.S.! That makes me sick!!
Also, if anyone here has access to Larry Birkhead’s email address, please let us know, because I believe that everyone of us should send him the link to the HKS/Larry King interview! Just so, he doesn’t forget WHO he is dealing with!! AND WHAT that A-Hole said about him while he LIED about being the father of Dannielynn!!
(Smiling)...Well, I really don’t know what to say, except that I think I can now see how you are able to be so unjudgmental! LOL! You definitely seem like a very caring person, and your behavior upon finding your FIL is evident of that. It takes a strong caring person to be able to deal with those circumstances, so that your husband and children would not have to see it. (Honestly, I couldn’t do it myself.) I think that is very admirable of you (and loving, especially in the case of your husband’s heart condition). Also, even though your FIL was difficult and grumpy (and told everyone he was ‘only leaving in a pine box’), he probably appreciated your family in his own way, and just wasn’t one to show it.
******OK, I do understand that this may not be true either, but, please let me have my ‘little fantasy’ that SOMETHING good came out of your experience. First of all, you did a REALLY nice thing that many people (myself included) could not do (by sparing your husband the sight of his dad’s death). And second of all, even if your FIL was a total pain in the butt, he probably ‘appreciated’ something about you and your family (even if he hardly ever showed it).
Anyway you look at it, you are a STAR for being so considerate of your husband and your children, so kudos to you for that!
Thanks for the retelling of those events. Took some gumption to do so. Heart tugs in reading about it all. Am sure your patience was just exhaused on the events two days before your FIL died. I imagine you indeed had been better equipped to handle finding him and all that went with it after going through your hubby’s heart attack and all associated with that. You have been through a lot. Surviving all thta is in itself a victory.
I used blue and white ticking on the basement windows. Ordered from countrycurtains.com. mom4kittys recommended blue and white and that’s what i really wanted to do to begin with but as the room progressed i realized that probably wasn’t gonna work. The green/black countertop was the killer to that idea. I looked for a blue granite countertop but the price of that is astronomical. Then one day when i wasn’t home they put these copper/bronze accent tiles on the backsplash. So all of a sudden it got really fancy in there. My whole New Orleans kitchen theme was out the window.
I did go with a small floral print. Kind of a mint green background with little brown birds, some yellow, and little pinkish/coral roses. Pretty cute. Who knows maybe i’ll hate them when they’re up and just go with the blue and white idea after all. Throw caution to the wind!
Yeah. Had to crack the manual to remember how to wind the bobbin and thread the machine. So far no bobbin trouble (knock knock).
Good luck ont he curtains. I didnt know these were so hard to find today - havent had to look for them in a long while.
They really are hard to find if you want them to have any character. JCP Custom Decorating is the only option i was left with besides doing it myself and i don't feel like spending a fortune this week and then waiting a month for my curtains. Altho i may have to resort to them for the living room because everywhere you go all you see is Dupioni Silk. Pottery Barn, Crate&Barrel, JCP, Bed Bath and Beyond. That's all they've got. Which might be ok if they had it in more than just a few colors. Anyway things in the kitchen are progressing. As for the living room, "i'll think about that tomorrow".
IMO, no one gives a sh_t about this since Larry has the baby. If Larry tries to investigate it, then fine. If not then fine also. AS LONG AS THE EVIL VIRGIE DOESN'T HAVE A HAND IN ANYTHING. (last was a sarcasm)
The curtain material sounds lovely! The blue/white ticking would not look good with your countertops, but would look great in a sunroom, spare bedroom, etc. Fresh and clean look.
Bodies are exhumed all of the time. Sometimes a cause of death is determined years later.
I won’t hold my breath on this happening, though.
Wow, you sound like quite the decorator! I’ve always been partial to blue & white kitchens but I have never gone the whole route with blue, white & yellow. I have a lot of collectibles displayed in my kitchen that have a little bit of pink and green, so I didn’t feel comfortable with the yellow. However I LOVE a well done country french kitchen done that way.
If your fabric that you got doesn’t work, maybe you could find a toile that works. It comes in many colors, but most people think of it in blue. I’ve seen it in green, black etc... and it would help keep a “french” feel to your kitchen.
Bodies are exhumed all of the time. Sometimes a cause of death is determined years later.
Oh, Im certainly aware of that, but IIRC chloral hydrate is on the test wish list. Would it still be detectable after embalming and eight months underground?
Again, you are too kind. I’ve never really talked about it much, but it’s been with me from that day. FIL was only 74, but ever since he lost my MIL at age 59, I suppose he felt like a lost soul. He did perk up for 2-3 years after MIL’s death and found a nice lady to hang out with, but she eventually moved on, as I figured she would. From then on it was all gradually down hill:(
such a fine horse, that off the racetrack, contributed just as much, even more!, to veterinary science that may help other horses after him - new ways/techniques to treat fractures, lamanitis, etc. The horse had a heart of a giant. :(
Kc, you’d be surprised what one is capable of when the need arises. I think I had to learn about hard things earlier than some folks, having gone through things such as my mother’s years’ long battle with a rare cancer when I was young, dealing with a horrible fire that destroyed our dairy barns when I was 12, and a number of other things. I’ve always been emotionally sensitive, but somehow manage to put that aside when a crisis develops, and I probably learned how to do that at a fairly young age. One can always “crash” later, after the fact:):)
hahaha - I was so intent on trying to find news of Anyone, that I didn't even notice K-Fed, or his interview, as I was scanning thru trying to find something to post lolol
Just a reminder about the ANS episode on Law and Order: Criminal Intent.
Next on Law & Order: CI
BOMBSHELL Law & Order: Criminal Intent
A former stripper turned model mysteriously dies just days after her young son meets the same fate.
i get stuck on this....when "EYE' think of miscarriages, i think of someone 4-5-6 months' pregnant, and a very private, very quiet, funeral to follow. a 6-wk embroyo is just under 1/2inch long.
If the mother and father have incompatible blood types, the body usually sloughs off the embyro naturally, since the mother would produce antibodies to attack the embyro. I wonder if that happened, or, if Anna missed a period, and then had one, were these guys, (was Anna even) thinking it was a 'miscarriage' in the true sense of the word??
I agree totally. Both Bridgette (who had originally met Anna when she WAS talking to her mom back in Peter Nyland days) and Mrs. Gibson were led to believe tht Anna didn't 'have any family' - had been rejected by her family. They both, encouraged Anna to call them 'mommy'.
We even saw some cattiness about it between those two, when Bridgette claimed that Anna had picked HER (take care of my baby) and Mrs. Gibson beat the band to get over to the Horizons and get the baby furniture (and Anna's jewels and gowns) in HER possession, shutting Bridgette out! I'd even bet, both were quite surprised when Daniel (FAMILY) showed up, and were even more surprised when they learned after Anna's death, that Anna HAD been in contact with her own mum!!!
May 1st?? Does that mean we missed it??
That’s a typo on the NBC site because the ads have been running for it tonight.
I thought it affected liver, kidneys, lungs, etc. If that is the case, it should be easily detected years later.
It should have been detected during the 1st autopsy, even.
Is his father requesting the body be exhumed?
RT - very sorry to hear about your cold and hope today finds you at least a little better.
May I offer a “cheap fix” for your sinus/nasal congestion bearing in mind your budget?
check out www.neilmed.com It’s the website for a kit and shows what bottle they use to give you an idea, and also has a lot more information about sinus rinsing.
I thought about how to improvise if you don’t have a bottle like the one shown at the website:
1) a small-size unopened squeezable ‘sports-bottle’ with a popup-top on it, (59cents) (or, if all you have is an already-opened one, dump it out, wash it and the top with White Distilled Vinegar to steralize, then rinse WELL, rinse MORE (all vinegar gone), then air-dry and fill with distilled water/drinking water and screw the top on)
2) one-to-one-and-one-half tablespoons of salt and
3) a towel.
(Very important not to use water straight from the tap!)
Add salt to the filled squeeze bottle. Shake well to dissolve. Follow the directions at the website. After a few gentle squirt rinses to each nostril you’re done! And you’ll have a very wet chin ! Put your head up and Gently ‘inhale thru your nose’ as best you can, so that a little of the salt solution is brought up into your sinuses. That’s It !! Wash your face and dry with towel and put on some tangerine lip gloss :)
I think you’ll be amazed how fast it will clear your nasal conjestion and all it will cost is a squeeze bottle, (and some white vinegar if you have to steralize a opened bottle) some distilled or steralized drinking water, and a generous pinch of salt! (instead of the $16 the pharmacy wants for a ‘kit’ that contains a bottle and salt packets!.)
Hope this helps :) Best wishes for your speedy recovery!
I've wondered, myself, if the 'you don't know my son' was directed at someone elses' mommy? Certainly a strange thing to say about virgie, who was telling the world at the time that her grandson didn't do drugs, 'you don't know my son?"
Could Annas tearful, pleading words to KE - Please dont leave me - have actually been, Please dont leave me alone with HKS???
i'd put money on that
Did Taz perhaps tell Moe that Anna was already dead??
i could have sworn, somewhere, I've heard lately, that Taz did try to call HK, but couldn't get thru. No Answer. I don't know why it's in my head they both tried to call HK....couldn't get thru..Moe left for errand? searching for HK? He called Tazmania to see if she had any success? Moe's kids were at the hotel room. Why would he leave them to go move a piano or chest of drawers? Why wouldn't he have done it the day before? wish I could remember where all this came from.....maybe I dreamt it. Why hasn't someone at Verizon spilled the phone records lol?!
There are hardly anyone who believe HKS and KE bear no responsibility - outside of those who have vested interest of some kind in supporting them or who themselves are dumb.
salient points, true, but, consider, the case of the 5-yr old girl, that the waitress figured something was up with. She didnt' cry out, or run to a policeman or stranger, either. You can't discount the brainwashing. What changed Anna's love of the press, to the fear, we saw in December 06 when she was waving them off for the first time in her life? Was it Opri having her and HK served with a summons on the court-house steps? Anna giving up an opportunity to say wonderful things about her son, or telling Opri to 'stick it'? That was NOT the Anna we knew, lol, that was a deer-in-the-headlites, Anna.
Neither can you discount Anna's apparently strong desire to have her son be with her (regardless of HK's thoughts about it obviously), or her last-cry-for-help emails to the Shelleys telling them she thought she was going to be murdered. She thought KE was a 'friend' not realizing she was part of the problem. She thought Moe was a friend, too, not realizing he's about as sensitive as a pineapple. Who else did she have, except the maids? Well, she told them, apparently very vocally, only to see them fired. Bahama CPS didn't care about what the maids said, either.
By Dec '06,(666 - boo!) Anna was isolated and alone in a foreign country, and dealing not only with HK, but with a full-frontal-assault from Opri, who was 'appealing to the citizens of the Bahamas'. She was afraid of being in the USA and she was afraid of HK. She didn't drive, couldn't go to the US Consolate, couldn't get Bridgette, or King Eric, or the Gibsons to drive HK off with a stick, (the Shelley's tried with the eviction ploy) couldn't go walking stoned thru the streets searching for help. IMO The only person who could have saved Anna at that point, was her own Mom, who couldn't get her own calls put thru, and whom HK had refused to open the gates for in November (and which was probably about the time anna's cellphone went missing 'in the closet'). Quite a predicament !
when you two were first talking about ‘room boxes’ that murderers did for detectives to find, I was creeped out.
Seeing the ones’ you’ve created, Freedom, I have to say, I’m just astounded and amazed. I didn’t know, there were minature, minatures lol and the job you’ve done creating those rooms is just awe-inspiring. Thanks so much for posting the pictures!!! I would have never imagined they were so intricate and detailed :-)
I don’t think tests for the presence of chloral hydrate would have been done on ANS, but for the bottle being in the room.
I’m pretty sure the substances for which they tested in Daniel’s autopsy did not include chloral hydrate. It does affect liver, lungs, kidneys - but would just one (albeit fatal in conjunction w/other drugs) dose show up? Did they retain Daniel’s tissue samples for future testing? Have embalming and decomposition removed evidence of drugs?
More questions than answers and I don’t know if his father has requested exhumation.
I respectfully disagree on the basis of these facts:
1) Daniel was no longer living at the house;
2) Anna wrote in one particular email, that she had 'changed the locks three times' and, further, installed a 'security alarm' back in January 06, attempting, she said, to "keep (LB)" out. Those (four) separate events in Jan 06, would have effectively locked Daniel out of any access;
3) Anna had no plans to return to the house any year soon, and with KE on speed-dial, didn't need an (expired) 'stash' that could possibly be 'found' by Opri's client.
4) Anna herself didnt' think that Daniel was 'on drugs'. In fact, she was so surprised at the original autopsy, that she brought in Wecht because she didnt' believe it. If Anna had any doubt that Daniel was abusing drugs, she'd have changed her will or at least said something to someone, since Daniel would be the direct-line guardian of DL(as of age 21) and recipient of Anna's estate if Anna died in childbirth, after all. JMO and thanks for the mental challenge your questions always pose :)
haha - yes !!
Do you have one?
I'm up to about 14 of them lolol - i've broken it down into "character", by time, by quote - and I don't even LIKE 'murder/mysteries' !! lolol
I’m not sure—I will check and post it in a few minutes.
She’s got a petition going on you know.
Up front tonite, my exclusive telephone conversation with LB, who talked about everything.everything, first, the details on the baby DL .
The father and almost 8mo daughter are still in KY with his family; LB said he attended the Derby because it was 'a long-standing committment' and that a nanny is helping him take care of DL, but that, quote, "I am very hands-on, changing her diapers, getting up with her in the middle of the night and so forth," end quote.
On the issue of DL's citizenship, quote 'She is a U.S. citizen, i got her U.S. passport on the day we left the Bahamas. She is registered now as a foreign-born U.S. citizen. But as I understand Bahamian law, LB says, when she reaches 18, she can also apply for Bahamian citizenship based on her birth there.
On whether there is any deal between LB and Stern, quote 'There are no behind the scenes negotiations between me and Howard. Once the paternity issue was resolved in my favor, as I knew it would be, it wasn't my choice to be in the Bahamas. I was stuck there, by Virgie's legal actions and I needed a place for the baby to stay. She was safe and comfortable in the Horizons' house and I didn't have any other place to take her other than a hotel and again, Virgie was 'holding us hostage' in the Bahamas. But again, I have no secret deals with Howard. said LB
On the legal maneuvers by Virgie Arthur, LB sounded pained, confirming the wide-spread suspicion that Grandmas' principal interest seems to be financial.
quote "Virgie by her own admission said that she wanted to be in control of any potential money coming from the Marshall estate. You know, it would have impressed me a lot more if she had fought for Anna and Daniel during their lifetimes." end quote
Now in other Anna news, with his status as the father of her baby now history, Howard K Stern will also soon be gone from the Horizons home he insists was given to Anna nicole.
At a hearing slated for mid-week, it is expected that Stern will get the heave-ho, even as his old pal, the immigration minister, faces hot water, as brother Fred reports:
"Tomorrow, Hubert Ingram, the new Bahamian PM, is going to be sworn in, and he promises big changes in the way his govt is going to handle the ANS saga. First of all, they vowed to investigate why Anna was allowed to fast-track her immigration status. There are allegations of cash frauds and other kickbacks to Shane Gibson the Immigration Minister, who was caught in a compromising position with the model."
(tape of Gibson: "I unconditionally deny I ever abused my ministerial office by granting ANS any permit of which she was undeserving. " end tape of Gibson)
"During the campaign, the PM accused Gibson of accepting a watch from ANS, a potentially serious criminal offense under their Prevention of Bribery Act.
"You'll remember that Gibson stepped down when the scandal broke and denies any allegations of bribery."
(end of Geraldo tape)
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