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Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3

Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys

Thread Number 3


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To: Arizona Carolyn

She felt ATL was her home, more than JR did.


9,901 posted on 05/02/2007 8:31:59 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: txrangerette

“She means more like a novice father, and also to her Larry seems young.”

She said that he was young and therefore she should have a say in how any money is spent on Dannielynn just in case she wants a Porche when she’s 14. That, in my opinion, is an outrageous excuse for wanting custody or guardianship.


9,902 posted on 05/02/2007 8:34:11 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: toldyou

In that given scenario, I would think Howard would be the strange one, more than the family!


9,903 posted on 05/02/2007 8:34:17 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
This is in conflict with what she stated on Greta's show:

Reporter: What do you say to people who want to know why you’re wanting Dannielynn when look what happened to Vickie?

VA: “Vickie turned out OK, didn’t she? Other than the drug problem.”

She isn't saying I don't want custody here like she did on Greta's show...

9,904 posted on 05/02/2007 8:37:00 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Rte66

Why wouldn’t Virgie know Donna Hogan? I’m just puzzled by that, or did I not hear correctly?


9,905 posted on 05/02/2007 8:38:12 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Arizona Carolyn

The reporter didn’t know very much at all about the case or ANS’s life or anything and this was the very first question she asked. It was very general as to “wanting Dannielynn” - in fact, it was the only question she asked her about the baby, I think.


9,906 posted on 05/02/2007 8:41:43 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: toldyou

She kicked Don Hogan out and made sure her family had no contact with him. Donna is a child of Don’s other marriage. Why would she have contact with her?


9,907 posted on 05/02/2007 8:42:54 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: toldyou; Rte66
and what she said her conflicts with what she said on the local Houston station Rte66 transcribed...

and my thought, too.. when she is 14 Larry will be 48 -- plus she cannot drive at 14 -- not until at least 16 and Larry would be 50! Good God, at 50 I hope he would be mature enough to decide how mature his own child is. She may believe what she is saying, but that doesn't sound right to me.... and saying to share the decision with one of Larry's parents -- it's like Larry is 18 years old instead of 34.

One other thing I picked up on...she said Larry moved in with HKS -- he didn't, I watched all the video outtakes from Tony Potts, he stayed at a hotel... and yesterday morning arrived at Horizons at 6:30 in the morning to claim his child and her possessions.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt but.....

9,908 posted on 05/02/2007 8:43:26 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I don’t know. That might be on the other site that has the flight plans. I’ll check and see, bc I was wondering that myself.


9,909 posted on 05/02/2007 8:44:23 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: mom4kittys

I agree with you — and especially with animals. I vacumn every day and am shocked at what the vacumn collects.


9,910 posted on 05/02/2007 8:45:20 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Rte66
But, isn't it strange Virgie didn't say I only want to oversee the money -- her response is troubling -- and even to say ANS turned out okay except for the drugs?

ANS life was a mess from 8th grade until she died.... so, no I wouldn't really say she did turn out okay -- she was beautiful on the outside, but had no substance inside.

9,911 posted on 05/02/2007 8:48:27 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: kcw2007

Would be interesting from a nosey point of view...


9,912 posted on 05/02/2007 8:49:14 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: toldyou

Yeah, that’s right. Don Hogan left when Anna/Vickie was 2. They never saw him again.

Anna tracked him down the year she got Playmate of the Year, so he could come see her nude pix and go to the Playboy mansion for the party. That pretty much disgusted Virgie.

Donna Hogan wasn’t born until Don Hogan had re-married whoever the next wife was. Maybe Wanda? Their paths never crossed.


9,913 posted on 05/02/2007 8:49:31 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I think she was just trying to use an example regarding the driving scenario. I really don’t think we need to try to pick that apart because it was totally off the cuff.


9,914 posted on 05/02/2007 8:49:44 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: TrishaSC

“Why would she have contact with her?”

I don’t know much about the book, but how do you write a book about Anna, Virgie, Howard, and never know them? I thought she would have had some contact.


9,915 posted on 05/02/2007 8:50:58 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Maybe she was so upset about someone questioning her parenting ability that she forgot the original intent of the question. The question in itself was disparaging against her and Anna. Maybe her first instinct was to defend herself and Anna. She didn’t really address the issue.


9,916 posted on 05/02/2007 8:53:03 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: TrishaSC
They will (pick it apart) in a deposition... they will find everything she ever said to anyone anywhere and grill her unmercifully about every comment that doesn't match.... they will also ask for the out-takes that we never see.

Anyone entering into the legal rhelm have to be prepared for pure he!! to enter their lives when the lawyers get started. I think it takes a special person to be an attorney... most of us wouldn't have the stomach for this.

9,917 posted on 05/02/2007 8:53:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: toldyou; msgumshoe

She says that it’s not all Anna’s story but her story too. I haven’t read the book and I don’t know if she writes about Howie. She said some story about Anna wanting to buy her kids and talks about how Anna would tell girls she would steal their boyfriends. I don’t know but msgumshoe has read it I believe.


9,918 posted on 05/02/2007 8:55:34 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

“...she said Larry moved in with HKS..”

I caught that, too, and we know he didn’t move in with him.

I just watched ShowBiz Tonight, and they said Virgie plans to sue LB for custody here in the states.


9,919 posted on 05/02/2007 8:55:53 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I think the point was that Larry couldn’t take Dannielynn back to the hotel, or even just out anywhere.

Funny, I had this vision night before last that Larry had gotten to take Dannielynn to the hotel their last night in Nassau, to stay with him and get ready for the flight. He’d never gotten to spend a night watching out for her, or getting up for bottles or whatever.

(I know, she sleeps all night - but just “being there for her” is what I mean, being fully, totally, responsible and in charge.)

It was so odd that I was clearly picturing that. It wasn’t true, but I was hoping it was, for some reason. I don’t usually think that much about it, other than working on the research.


9,920 posted on 05/02/2007 8:56:56 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: toldyou

Like I said — each interview and each story will be pieced together... I think we had all better look at each telling individually ... if we do the picture will form..


9,921 posted on 05/02/2007 8:59:52 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

It reminds me of Howie’s “me-logy” at the funeral. He was listing Anna’s accomplishments in life and he truly believed that making herself a “household name” is the greatest thing that any human being can ever aspire to - and she had done it.

Could be Virgie thinks the same way.


9,922 posted on 05/02/2007 9:01:41 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Arizona Carolyn
You know, it’s possible (haha) that Howard knew we would pick apart his every expression if we could see his face. That could be why he kept turned away. I’m sure that he was devastated. Well, I think he was, anyway.

Was he holding Dannielynn with her back to his chest? It sort of looked like it, but the whole deal was so strange with him walking backwards that my eyes kept jumping around, couldn’t decide what focus on! Fearing a misstep.

Good luck finding out about the dogs .. I’ve seen quite a few posts asking about them, but never a real answer, just guesses. We can hope that they have new homes.

9,923 posted on 05/02/2007 9:02:24 PM PDT by hedda lettis
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To: Rte66

No, it appears HKS was in charge right up until 9:30 yesterday morning. No wonder he kissed the earth and broke into tears when he arrived in Louisville. He has lost 20 pounds and you really see it in older pics of him vs now.


9,924 posted on 05/02/2007 9:02:42 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Rte66

Could be..... her comments speak to a high degree of denial. I wish they had done a longer interview on your station, I’d really like to hear more from her own lips.


9,925 posted on 05/02/2007 9:04:16 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: hedda lettis

I fear HKS probably cared even less for the dogs than the baby or ANS... Yes, it was difficult to focus on one thing, that was a very strange thing to watch.


9,926 posted on 05/02/2007 9:05:35 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Rte66

When paternity was established there were stories about Larry staying there alot. Also Larry and Howie would come to the hearings together and that also kept the “rumors” going that he was spending a majority of his time at Horizons. Which let’s face it..I don’t blame him.


9,927 posted on 05/02/2007 9:07:55 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: Rte66

Anna was a grifter and a con artist. Most of these type of people are very charming. Even the people who are coming out of the woodworks to make money on her say she was personable and made you feel good and wanted. Virgie has said before that Anna was a good person before they got estranged. I think in her mind she blames all of the alienation on the drugs and Stern. When Virgie is speaking she’s talking about Vicki..not Anna. Anna is the person that did all those bad things but Vicki is her baby and her daughter who she used to go shopping and partying with. I doubt if she thinks that the most important thing Vicki/Anna did was get famous.


9,928 posted on 05/02/2007 9:13:40 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Yes, a few months ago Oprah had a show about ‘soccer moms’ hooked on meth! Did you see that show? They had at least one regular woman who wasn’t from a drug background and had a good life, that had tried meth and became addicted immediately. IIRC, the show was about one particular Midwestern town that has been almost destroyed by methamphetamine. It seemed like nearly everyone in the town had been affected by it in one way or another. It was very sad, and some of the female addicts appeared to be just like anyone you might see at the PTA or in the grocery store! There was even a grandmother who was caught dealing meth! I don’t know that much about it, but this show made it sound like it is an epidemic in the Midwest!!


9,929 posted on 05/02/2007 9:14:43 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: Lizarde
Yes, those kind of things are done all the time, (family member votes on huge estates), but its not allowed for “po white trash”./s LOL

Since the LB/Stern team will go into full gear soon, hopefully grandma and lawyers will be some ck on her daughter’s and granddaughters estate.

It sounds like granny knows the score on both men. And she did promise to not let Stern rest, of that I am grateful.

9,930 posted on 05/02/2007 9:15:40 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

“Virgie - I don’t. I don’t have any problem with Larry having custody of the baby. June 8 is a pure formality.

Virgie - I never wanted to raise this baby - I wanted to have visitation with her. “

Thank you.... it was spoken by Virgie, it can’t be made any clearer, and that settles that. Virgie wants VISITATION, said she does NOT want to raise DL, and wants LB to have CUSTODY!

Thanks to Greta for allowing her the opportunity for the truth to be made known.


9,931 posted on 05/02/2007 9:18:57 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: toldyou

I don’t believe Donna Hogan KNEW Howard K. Stern. I think she just ‘heard’ about him in the media and saw him on the Anna Nicole reality show, just like the rest of us.


9,932 posted on 05/02/2007 9:18:57 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: roses of sharon

She also said that she would like someone from Birkhead’s family also have a say but that seems to be forgotten. People are acting like this kind of stuff has never been done before. I think a freeper mentioned earlier that this is quite common in Canada. To that Freeper I apologize because I can’t remember who you are.


9,933 posted on 05/02/2007 9:20:33 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: TrishaSC

I know, I couldn’t stand it each time Larry got into that car with Howard. Ugh.

I could just picture HKS turning into “Toonces the Driving Cat” and going over a cliff with him.


9,934 posted on 05/02/2007 9:21:27 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: toldyou

What interview were you watching? I didn’t see her asking for custody or guardianship. I believe she was asking for more than one person to oversee Dannielynn’s money, so that NO ONE could take money from her or allow the money to be spent irresponsibly. Personally, I cannot see why anyone would have an objection to that. JMO, of course.


9,935 posted on 05/02/2007 9:24:38 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: toldyou

“I just watched ShowBiz Tonight, and they said Virgie plans to sue LB for custody here in the states.”

LOL, sounds like ShowBiz Tonight knows something Virgie doesn’t! Of course, should LB decide to move in with HKS and raise DL together, I hope she does sue for custody! I know I would.


9,936 posted on 05/02/2007 9:24:45 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: Rte66
That calls for a pic
9,937 posted on 05/02/2007 9:27:51 PM PDT by TrishaSC (Still Team Birkhead but just a bit estranged)
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To: TrishaSC

Regardless of whether she/lawyers can make it work somehow, someday, and if there is even a nice big estate, or a gargantuan estate, I’m glad the guys know Anna and Daniel’s kin are watching this time, carefully.


9,938 posted on 05/02/2007 9:33:03 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Well, my husband’s mother was 38 when he was born, 40 when his first sister was born, and 42 when his youngest sister was born. However, she still stole money from their trusts before they turned 21. Considering that happened when she was between 38 and 53 years old, I guess some people just make bad decisions regardless of their age. That’s the good part about having more than one person make those kind of decisions about a Minor’s financial interests. I just think Larry has nothing to lose by having a member of his family and a member of Anna’s family oversee the trust of Dannielynn. Why would he or anyone else have an objection to that?


9,939 posted on 05/02/2007 9:33:06 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: TrishaSC

“She also said that she would like someone from Birkhead’s family also have a say but that seems to be forgotten. People are acting like this kind of stuff has never been done before. I think a freeper mentioned earlier that this is quite common in Canada. To that Freeper I apologize because I can’t remember who you are.”

Sounded very much to me like she is very concerned about HKS’s influence over LB and what HKS might ‘have’ on LB. Could be that HKS is blackmailing LB and by the time DL is old, that money could be gone!! Given HKS’s comment to her when she wanted to hold DL, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised.


9,940 posted on 05/02/2007 9:39:05 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: kcw2007
I didn't see that show, but the town I live in is really dealing with the situation... we are too close to Mexico and according to our police they don't really make it locally anymore, they import from Mexico -- so the supply is plentiful.

You can spot someone who has been on it after a while, the complexion is horrible, the teeth start to rot... weight slides off...

and violence -- what it does to the brain, people lose all conscience.. this is about the worst thing that has happend in this country, it is destroying too many lives... as bad or worse than crack.

9,941 posted on 05/02/2007 9:40:13 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: kcw2007

So far the only money she has is money Larry has deposited into a trust for her. He could have as easily put the money into his own account if he planned to steal from her. Don’t forget, he was fighting for her when ANS was alive and he wouldn’t have gotten a cent to help raise her, so I’m pretty confident this isn’t about the money for Larry. That said, I also don’t blame him for making as much as he can off these tabloids while he can... soon they will no longer be the flavor of the day and can go off into the sunset and live quietly and well.


9,942 posted on 05/02/2007 9:45:10 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: kcw2007

Oh, okay.


9,943 posted on 05/02/2007 9:45:59 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Kimberly GG
It’s too bad LB didn’t kick Stern to the curb in words or deeds, and made clear where he stood.

Oh well, he obviously calculated who would be most helpful to him, Stern or grandma.

And chose the former.

No contest really.

9,944 posted on 05/02/2007 9:48:40 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: kcw2007; toldyou; Rte66
a refresher

ANNA NICOLE'S SISTER DISHES

By CINDY ADAMS

April 11, 2007 -- ANNA Nicole's sister Donna Hogan - same white-blond hair, industrial- strength eye and lip makeup, ample bosom, low-cut top, but drinking only Sprite - said: "It p - - - - - me off when people say I'm making money off her. I was offered fortunes to tell on her. I was there when she did liposuction in the '90s. I have pictures of her lipo. Even though I needed money bad, I never sold her out."

So, OK, so Donna, hon, so then why "Train Wreck," your new book about and against Anna?

"Because I was hurt. Because it's closure for me. Because now she's gone, and things about her upsetted me. She was selfish. I always respected her, and she always disrespected me. I was struggling. I had to live in a shelter to protect my three kids and I never asked her for nothing. She had four houses and never offered me one to stay in. I bought her a Marilyn Monroe doll and she never bought me a thing. She'd take people who worked for her on shopping sprees to Rodeo Drive and never bring my kids anything.

"She never once offered me money. Except to try and take my little girl from me. See, even after she had Danny she wanted a girl child desperately. She offered me thousands, but only if I'd give up my baby daughter to her which, of course, I wouldn't."

About their similarities: "Well, yeah, I've done drugs . . . we've both had a wild crazy life . . . both had affairs with women . . . three-way sex . . . kids without husbands . . . and I'm now kind of living with someone . . . And, like her, I worked gentlemen's clubs. I waitressed. There's perverts who just want you to get drunk with them. So I'd sit and drink. You could make $2,000 a night.

"Look, I was offered lots of the same kind of stuff she was, but I just couldn't do it. I think she had some kind of illness. She did it with all sorts of girlfriends and gay boyfriends. I mean, she gave our father - who molested girls and actually touched me - naked photos of herself. This is a man who got married the day after we buried Vickie.

"And she never liked her given name Vickie. In school she'd call herself Nicky, so maybe that's where Nicole came in."

Donna Hogan lives in Houston. Her gift baskets business is called Country Delights. Monday was her first moment ever in New York. After dinner she saw Times Square. While asking could she squeeze in a musical like "Mama Mia!" or "The Color Purple" between the 17 shows she's doing to hustle her book, I was asking her opinion of Howard K. Stern.

"I never believed he was the father of Dannielynn. He couldn't create a child even if he had two [she used a colorful word to describe male equipment.] He's not man enough. Anna Nicole Smith led him around by the nose. And can you believe his sister now has a publicist? And wants to be a Dr. Ruth-type TV sex therapist?"

And Donna's opinion of mother-dearest Virgie?

"Virgie had more media than family at the funeral. Listen, Virgie used to abuse Vickie. Treat her bad. Hit her. When they started Virgie went with her to the strip clubs.

"I never took money from anybody. All the media companies followed me and harassed me and offered big money for my story. I never took a dime. Now, for the funeral and lawyers and traveling around, Virgie has a photo company paying. Howard's bills are being paid by a TV show. Larry Birkhead probably has some deal, too."

About larger-than-life Anna Nicole Smith, this sister says: "She actually had nothing. She was always broke. She lost her ranch. She was always getting sued. She went bankrupt. She lost everything. Her life really turned into a train wreck after Howard Marshall. She got depressed. She fought to keep her name alive. She'd suddenly do anything to stay in the spotlight, then the more she got in the spotlight the more she had to do to stay there. And when Stern came into her life she really changed. Everything went downhill.

"Y'know, because of our same father and different mothers, there's others of us. Like another sister Amy, who's into modeling and nobody really knows where she is because nobody wants anything to do with her."

A bite into the Waverly Inn's soft roll, a sigh about "I really have to lose weight," and then . . . "I guess the dysfunctionality in our family goes way back."

And: "I just never want Howard or Virgie to end up with that baby."

Put it down to another of your usual humdrum ho-hum evenings of nice pleasant boring dinner-table talk. Only in New York, kids, only in New York

9,945 posted on 05/02/2007 9:52:38 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: kcw2007

“What interview were you watching? I didn’t see her asking for custody or guardianship.”

No. She didn’t say those particular words, but what do you call it when someone says she wants to see how the child’s money is spent? It’s not called visitation.


9,946 posted on 05/02/2007 9:56:49 PM PDT by toldyou
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To: Lizarde
Lizard, I'm just finishing up having 4 implants, and was suppose to go today and have the last permanent tooth put on the implant, but was unable to go. Have been under the weather with bronchitis for several days so didn't feel like getting out. When I was having the implants put in, the periodonist told me to have a milkshake waiting when I got home. When my husband came to get me, he brought me a Wendy's Frosty! Don't have too much memory of drinking it as the anesthetic hadn't worn off. I was given pain meds, but I'm fortunate to have a high tolerance for pain. A friend was having the same work done, and knowing she was very particular about what she ate, I asked what kind of milkshake she had when she got home. She didn't....she had a SlimFast and bowl of jello. Don't know why I didn't think of that! I would probably had the Frosty anyway since I'm not too discipined when it comes to my diet.

Good luck tomorrow and you'll need some type of nourishment to keep your strength up. I got along fine, and the most discomfort I had was having to have a bone graft, and that wasn't too bad. The hardest part was parting with all that money, and I don't have dental insurance!

9,947 posted on 05/02/2007 9:57:09 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Please don’t think I’m attacking you for this, but I believe that statements like this, ‘she was beautiful on the outside, but had no substance inside.” are the type of statements that will be the most hurtful to Dannielynn in the future.

I prefer to think of Anna/Vickie as someone who had a great deal of substance AND LOVE on the inside. However, she was, for many reasons, a tortured soul, who naively trusted the people around her, and those people used her and got rid of her!!

Again, I am in no way trying to be rude to you, and I understand that you do not like or trust Virgie, but do you or did you dislike Anna? If so, did you always dislike her, or did you start to dislike her towards the end of her life, for instance, when she was pregnant with DL and abusing drugs?

I’m just curious, not trying to start an argument at all. Because I was very disgusted when I heard she was pregnant and it became apparent that she was using drugs WHILE pregnant! I remember watching the video on her website, in which she announced she was pregnant, and she was floating in the pool on a raft. To me, she seemed a little messed up in that video and it bothered me. Now, it seems like that video could have been filmed at Horizon’s, but I don’t remember the exact date.


9,948 posted on 05/02/2007 9:57:21 PM PDT by kcw2007
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To: TrishaSC

Hahahahahahaha! Love it! Thank you.

That’s why Howie *said* ANS wouldn’t come back to TX! The only state that used to let Toonces drive - and Anna, too!


9,949 posted on 05/02/2007 9:59:00 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Well, I’ve certainly never been accused of being NOT NOSEY! LOL!


9,950 posted on 05/02/2007 10:01:00 PM PDT by kcw2007
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