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Skip to comments.Anna Nicole Smith, The Investigation #3
Posted on 04/07/2007 3:14:35 PM PDT by mom4kittys
Thread Number 3
I think someone said it was at Ben Thompson’s place in Marathon or somewhere in the FL Keys.
Your remark was directed at AC but I feel like I can respond because I’ve said some harsh things about Anna and to be honest the things that have been said on this forum does not compare to things that have been said about her on TV, Radio, and on other forums. Sorry but I will not censor my opinion of her mother because of the off chance that she may be in twenty years looking at old archived webpages. Well if she is looking at Freerepublic maybe that means she turned out as a good conservative. If so then she’ll be able to handle the truth.
I remember how shocked people were when she married Howard marshall and how she wore the wedding gown and leaned on Daniel at his funeral...
then the court trial in Texas...
I was stunned to see how dependent she was on her son... and thinking at the time, he was just a child but he was obviously the adult in their relationship and no child should have to grow up that quickly.... not to be rude back --- but where the heck was Virgie then? It was on TV every single evening and it was so obvious she was not able of caring for herself, she could barely walk, why didn't someone step in then and try to get custody of Daniel? to get him to a more settled environment and home?
ANS quit school in 8th grade. I suspect she was sexually abused as a child and if true it explains how she acted out all her life. She needed extreme counceling at a very young age. I also get the feeling that she was dyslexic and had a learning disability... that, too, had a lifetime affect if not addressed at a young age.
IMO someday a book will be written -- not like the book by Donna Hogan, but by a real, investigative, journalist and I think it will be a bombshell and won't equate any one person particularly well...
But Howard also knew that no matter how many times he kicked them or abused them, they COULD NEVER TALK, and I’m sure if one or more of the dogs died, it would be ruled ‘an accidental death’!
talk about six degrees of separation !
I wonder who will show up to testify? I know Virgie will be there
I just don’t get it personally, bc like you said it makes your teeth rot out and you AGE years in a matter of months. To me, the mere mention of it is scary, so I cannot see how any normal person would say ‘ok, what the hell, I’ll try it”!! How are these people being exposed to it? And more importantly, WHY are they allowing themselves to be exposed to it, much less DO IT???
You do remember that Virgie is the one that took her to rehab. Still after Stern came in maybe she felt that Anna was too insulated and she couldn’t get to her. It was kind of obvious that Anna was drugged up on ANS. I wonder if any of the viewers in between laughing at the trainwreck called her life ever picked up the phone to call California Social Services.
You are right, but different things happen in people’s lives. If Larry does decide to live in LA, and he had access to DL’s money, he might (with the best intentions) invest her money in some project that doesn’t pan out. I’m not trying to say that Larry doesn’t have DL’s best interest at heart, bc I believe he does, but I also believe there is nothing wrong with having some other party be in agreement with whatever investment is made. I say this because, I would have no problem being a co-executor along with a member of my husband’s family if that were necessary. I have no objection to that at all, bc I have no intention of ever touching their money and would not want any other party to do so, unless it was agreed upon by both parties.
LOL!! Well, I cannot dispute that! You are absolutely right!!
Actually to me, her reality show was boring (and just plain sad) because in the little bit I saw, all she did was whine and complain! But even in the little I saw of the show, I immediately caught onto to how HKS managed to ‘stay in the background’ and YET ‘still run the show’!! I’ve been suspicious and have been watching him EVER SINCE. Also, in Anna’s defense, she HERSELF told the media, that she DID NOT WEAR HER WEDDING DRESS to the funeral for J. Howard Marshall. She stated that she purposely wore WHITE instead of BLACK to honor all of the good times they had together, and she indicated that J. Howard Marshall would have wanted it that way. And when I saw pictures from J. Howard’s funeral, I did not think she was wearing a wedding dress!
As far as your question about where Virgie was during the times that Anna was obviously out of control, I have no idea. I agree with you that it is disturbing that Virgie didn’t even try to rescue Anna and Daniel earlier, AND I DON’T necessarily understand it, but I haven’t had a chance to hear an explanation from Vergie yet. Even though no explanation from Vergie will exonerate her from all blame, I do tend to be forgiving to a parent in that situation bc I’m familiar with the pain that comes with it. Backing away doesn’t always mean you do not love your child.
Virgie couldn’t touch DL because of DNA? What on earth was Howard talking about? What did he think would happen?
ya know, I have a theory, that Anna wasn't doing as much drugs as was portrayed to the press before or during her pregnancy, just based on what the Shelleys and Coens and others have said, and we still have a lack of any physical evidence of 'detox' from Apr 06.
I think she was finally running away from Los Angeles - with her son's encouragement and the Shelley's support. With Daniel's move to the Bahamas and taking over as her manager, HK would have been out of the daily picture and the video-ed appearances that were orchestrated to have resulted in loss of custody if she had lived, wouldn't have happened. Things would have been a lot different if HK hadn't shown up in the Bahamas.
I don't think that Daniel would have let his mom take drugs, and Anna did raise him to be a fine young man. I think Daniel wouldn't have let Anna be hounded to death by her old 'crew' of hangers-on, either. And the custody battle would have run out of steam and got back to a 'normal' level of Daddy visitation and child support.
Daniel was the only one in Anna's life who wanted nothing from her, and she trusted him enough to always do the right thing' even when she thought he had 'changed' she didn't change her will. I'd like to think, that, approaching 40, Anna had decided to turn over a new leaf, and raise her baby with Daniel running interference for a while, and Grandma Virgie cuddling with her grandbaby on visits in between LB's visits.
Amen to that!
Thank goodness DL is away from him!
(schreeches to a halt.......) body double? did ANS have a body double or was this just a model for this particular Insider? (thinks forward to 'committment ceremony')
HK is obviously sqeezing every last cent he can out of DL -associated material as he possibly can isn't he? geesh
wasn’t the pigsty house, the Studio City house with all the hangers-on constantly around?
I think the Bahama nannies kept the house pretty clean ?
and once was being cussed by HK for Donna's book, ordering Virgie to 'stop it' like she even knew Donna rofl
Second time: before burial - saw the baby per the judge - was allowed to stand at the foot of the bed and couldnt touch her .
well, that's another lie HK's been caught in - he said it wasn't a 'court order' and now we learn, it sure was! A Bahamian judge's order!
I sure liked Virgie's comment - (to HK:) I'm comin'.....you thought I'd get disinterested, but...I'm comin'.....
Well if that’s what the doctor says to carry, he’s the boss. The price of honey is getting outrageous.
great job on transcribing !!!! all i can add, is that she said she gave Spash 50-100 photos of Daniel/Anna way before Daniel’s death and got (only) $5,000
also, she said that she would have raised the baby if she had to (which i think she means, that if LB had turned out not to be daddy, she would have gotten that baby away from HK)
other than that - you guys were teriffic !
I think that it was a good idea for Virgie to suggest that her son, the secret agent man, be a guardian. Let’s see the HK try to take HIM on (that is if he doesn’t choke on a crow bone first !)
well, hopefully it won't be an ad litum who signs on as trustee and who's family isn't connected to NBC - THAT, was just TOO much !
it was sad, to hear her say, that she kept trying to call Anna, and whoever answered the phone would never put her thru and she would have to talk to 'them' to see how her daughter was doing. So i guess there's truth in what Daniel was saying, also, that he couldn't get thru to his own mom. I wonder if Anna ever found out how hard they both tried?
I remember LB saying that Anna had sent him an email, 'i want my mommy' when she was preggers. So sad that they were kept from communicating.
she might have used a better example of, say, wanting to buy certain stock, etc. But I think if you look at it in the context of statements that HK has made about 'not expecting to not be' in DL's life, and the relative short longevity of those around HK, she's probably doubting that LB will live long, either. And I'd bet she's also a little concerned already about what 'fame and fortune' will do -- I dont' think any one of us, would like to see DannielynnJonBenet, for instance.
Its' obvious she has a cops' instinct that there is something HUGE that HK is holding over LB. And all the more reason for us to speculate, so it's out there, and is subjected to public scrutiny, instead of letting HK use his dirty little secrets for blackmail and remain connected to DL. IF LB continues his assn with HK, we can be almost certain, it's something big enough to affect custody. Let's hope they part ways very soon and prove speculation wrong. IMO
I figured you were renting. Our carpet is indoor/outdoor, but we don't have a vacuum. My son uses a corn broom to sweep out the house. He has bad hayfever periodically, and I have bronchitis when I get stressed. Someone mentioned an Ionic Breeze air filter, and I want one. Too bad they're so darn expensive.
Our newly discovered problem is that there is water getting into the bedroom wall from the bath tub. The caulk looks fine, but no matter what we do, we can't get the shower curtain to keep the water inside the tub, and not all over the floor. It's causing black mold in my son's room. If I can find out how to solve the problem, we'll either have to rip out the drywall and replace, use a heat gun to thoroughly dry out the wall, then bleach it. People say to add pure vanilla to the paint to retard future mold. I'm allergic to mold :/
I won't cry about money after I read what you live on. We've touched on this before, but can the local churches/Salvation Army help out with food, etc?
Check out this link: www.pparx.org I hope I remembered it correctly, but you could gurgle it for the correct one. If you have a perscription, they might be able to help you by filling it for free.
well, in all fairness to Anna, she did work for a living for 8 years before she met J. Howard, and another 4 or 5 years as Playboy Centerfold/Covergirl, Guess?jeans covergirl, H&M (clothing label) cover girl in Germany/Europe and Lane Bryant. IMO Her 'grifting days' didnt' come until HK painted rainbows of half a billion. Then, everything was on credit, 'until the judgement comes in'. HK must have fed Anna a pretty thick line, time after time, year after year, to keep himself around, because Anna always seemed to think, that money was coming in "any day now...."
I noticed the earlier comment about women becoming hooked on Meth faster than men.
Meth is devastating. Men going up against an addict better be very careful, as Meth destroys your brain. It can turn a person into a psychopath. Ask my bf. His ex’s addiction cost him his home, his kids, and his good name. His sister paid to have that warthog go through an expensive detox facility. She decided she wanted the house when she was released, obviously not cured. He had already filed for divorce and custody, being fed up with filing missing person reports, her druggie friends trashing the house, stealing everything to buy drugs, etc.
To get the house, she needed custody of the kids. Guess what she accused him of? When they couldn’t force his little girls to admit to something that didn’t happen, warthog got a friend’s(druggie who killed herself and another daughter driving under the influence)13 yr old ho of a daughter to lie. I have absolutely no respect for lawyers and the court system. He blew through 20k trying to defend himself, then when the money ran out, his POS attorney told him to plead no contest. Which the court does not differentiate from a guilty plea.
Oh yeah. The bank got the house, because druggies can’t hold down jobs or pay mortgages. She has custody of the kids and they are a mess. The girls are trainwrecks. The oldest(18)idolizes Marilyn Monroe. She took my son for a nice emotional roller coaster ride.
I believe in legalizing anything the good Lord gave us, but meth cookers need Turkish prison!!!
Sorry about the rant.
Yes, but I’m not so certain it’s ever been a matter of choice. Since the beginning, HKS had been able to ‘lord’ custody of DL over LB’s head, otherwise, I think he’d have told HKS where to shove it a long time ago, and I think that LB throughout this time, did everything he needed to do to make certain DL would eventually be his. I think in youthful ignorance and emotional desparation, he would have sold his soul if that’s what it took and I think that’s why Opri parted ways, I think she (as did Virgie) couldn’t convince LB to take a step backward and not to fall for whatever power he must have thought HKS weilded over him (and DL). I think this was their “difference in strategy”. I am just hopeful that whatever has been keeping him tied to HKS, will, now that he’s back in the states and out of Bahamian jurisdiction, allow LB to be empowered and do just that. I would be thrilled to see him side by side with Virgie again.
” she might have used a better example of, say, wanting to buy certain stock, etc. But I think if you look at it in the context of statements that HK has made about ‘not expecting to not be’ in DL’s life, and the relative short longevity of those around HK, she’s probably doubting that LB will live long, either. And I’d bet she’s also a little concerned already about what ‘fame and fortune’ will do — I dont’ think any one of us, would like to see DannielynnJonBenet, for instance.
Its’ obvious she has a cops’ instinct that there is something HUGE that HK is holding over LB. And all the more reason for us to speculate, so it’s out there, and is subjected to public scrutiny, instead of letting HK use his dirty little secrets for blackmail and remain connected to DL. IF LB continues his assn with HK, we can be almost certain, it’s something big enough to affect custody. Let’s hope they part ways very soon and prove speculation wrong. IMO”
I could not agree with you more.
I totally agree...and thank God they're away from that prescription drug-pushing Howie...
All true. I didn’t know about women and meth. But I do know that the meth addicition wave is sweeping this nation and affecting untold millions including the children of those addicted. Have a friend whose daughter was addicted (ths is now clean for 11 months straight) to meth after having a wonderful job, being a top graduate from college, etc. She became addicted to meth and it took her down into hell. MUCH MUCH prayer from many - and now this young lady is home, clean, and doing well but it is a daily victory struggle.
Oh my - yes dental work is so expensive! So sorry that you find yourself in this situation.....wouldn’t medicaid help you?
Donna Hogan knew about Stern through Anna, I think. Well Donna was Anna’s stepsister - the daughter of Anna’s father by a different marriage than to her mother. I can understand Virgie not knowing Donna.
Yes, I did watch it - and yes, the revelations were excellent in going even farther in showing the Globaloney Warming zealots are totally WRONG. That program should be packaged and taken to every school in this country to help refute the “gospel of global warming” that is spreading throughout the land. And those who claim this “gospel” is totally wrong, incorrect, misguided, full of lies and distortions, baloney, etc - are more and more being treated as “apostates” by the moonbats and it is already affecting our freedoms and soon will take them totally away if these deceivers are not stopped.
Wow - good to know of that option.
yes - but those words wont deter the Sternpropagandamachine from continuing to say Virgie wants custody of the baby. I guess we’ll see what unfolds.
That was clearly what Virgie thinks - that Stern has something on Larry B and was blackmailing him with it. I would not doubt it. Exactly. Stern was trying to “blackmail” Virgie - buy her off - when she stood at the foot of Dannielynn’s bed - to get her to stop trying to take Anna out of the Bahamas for burial - he was going to “give” her 15 mins to hold that baby! If that isn’t from the pit of hell, I don’t know what is!!!
Well, thatis the question. Any on the witness list who are not in the Bahamas will have to pay the cost to travel there for this - I bet some won’t do it.
Yes he is and will continue to do so.
Good question - I don’t know - expect the Horizons was neater than the Studio City house. Virgie said when she went to see the baby that the baby’s room was not really set up like a baby’s room. She also said she felt there was a camera in the room.....probably for HKS to take and sell film of Dannielynn later to ET....just guessing. And the film we did see of the HOrizons house was mainly to me - just closed in and wierd looking - eerie looking. Maybe not a pigsty. Just wierd.
Thank you FWI for your transcription - some of which I used below, for comments:
Gretas interview was edited, but in the parts that were shown, Virgie was in a positive mood, IOW she was not putting on a poor me act, but responding to questions.
Stern talked to Virgie and told her to tell Donna to stop hitting on them in that book - and Virgie said you’re going to have to have Vicki call her daddy to talk to her. I don’t know her.
Comment: Its pretty clear that Howie was freelancing , because Anna would have contacted Donna herself - Anna was aware that Virgie and Donna were not acquainted.
Stern said don’t touch her - why? - because of DNA - .
Comment: Howard was afraid she might get a sample of spit up for Larry. Proving how deviously Howard thinks and how Virgie was thinking only of her grandchild.
Stern said - if you will let Anna be buried in the Bahamas, I’ll let you hold the baby for 15 mins.
Comment: This outrage alone proves that Howard is a blackmailer.
Greta - once Larry was determined to be the father by DNA - did that change things?
Virgie - yes it did - right after that him and Howard paired up - I don’t have a clue why. Virgie - I pursued custody because I don’t know what part Howard plays in all this.
Virgie - I like Larry - I don’t like Howard.
So now that Howard is out of the picture, why do you still have custody action going on?
Virgie - I don’t. I don’t have any problem with Larry having custody of the baby. June 8 is a pure formality.
Virgie - I never wanted to raise this baby - I wanted to have visitation with her.
Virgie: I do not care about the money - Anna fought for 12 years for the Marshall money - 4 people are dead - Marshall, his son, my grandson, and Vicki is dead. That money is tainted - I have no desire for that money....I just wanted to have someone on Larry’s side of the family and myself be overseers of the money .. It can be somebody other than me on my side. It can be my son.
Comment: Virgie - maintaining her sanity in the remnants of her deceased daughters world and keeping her head - while all around her have lost theirs.
Anyway yes I thought the revelation that Virgie was proposing not that SHE had control of the baby's money - but that somebody from Larry's family and somebody from her family - maybe her son - had some sayso in approving how that child's money was spent. Something the Stern propaganda wing never revealed.
Agreed. Virgie sounded very sane, consistent with everything I had seen / heard from her directly until now / and very determined to continue to seek justice for her daughter and grandaughter. All the anti-Virgie propaganda that teamStern has so obviously pumped nonstop during all of this - has not swayed her one bit. I know Virgie is not perfect. She has her faults. But she has been the one consistent and accurate voice through all this. It was refreshing to hear her speak and I am grateful Greta gave her the chance.
Virgie confirmed what we had suspected - the total isolation and drugged mind control that HK$ and KE imposed on Anna.
When Virgie called Horizons to check on Anna - she always spoke to a woman - not Howie - I have no doubt that woman was KE!
I have concluded that HK$ never intended Anna to de-tox from drugs. If she ever got clean - she would understand who truly cared about her and who didn’t. It is my speculation that after Daniel’s death - HK$ realized that he could replace meal ticket Anna with meal ticket Dannielynn - if he was “the widow” and named himself father/guardian of DL. So obvious only a sociopath would try it.
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