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Dancing Girl From Mohenjo-Daro
Vigyan Prasar ^ | August 1999 | Gunakar Muley

Posted on 05/10/2007 9:30:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

The National Museum in New Delhi is one of the richest storehouses of India's cultural and scientific heritage. Among the prehistoric and protohistoric objects displayed in the very first gallery in the Museum's ground floor, there is a bronze figure from Mohenjo-daro (now in Pakistan). Made in circa 2500 B.C., it is an image of a naked young girl in a dancing pose. Though the figure's height is only 10.8 cms., it tells us a lot about the metal technology that was developed in the Indus Valley Civilization, also called the Harappan Culture. The bronze Dancing Girl from Mohenjo-daro is the most outstanding item among the objects displayed in the gallery. It is the first sculpture in dancing gesture discovered in the Indian subcontinent. It is also one of the earliest cast bronzes in this cultural area. But its most interesting aspect is that in casting it the Harappan metallurgists used an advanced technique known as the lost-wax (cire perdue) process... The features of the unclad body of the dancing girl show her to be that of the Proto-Australoid type which, perhaps, constituted a segment of the mixed Harappan society. The concept of Proto-Shiva also appears to be the contribution of the Indus Valley Civilization.

(Excerpt) Read more at vigyanprasar.gov.in ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: aryaninvasion; aryans; godsgravesglyphs; harappan; india; indusvalley; indusvalleyscript
This is the largest scale online photo I could find. There's some mighty kooky stuff out there, BTW. And realize that this warning is coming from *me*. *That's* how bad it is. ;') But anyway, this looks African, no?

["Vigyan Prasar is an autonomous organisation setup by the Government of India's Department of Science and Technology in 1989, to undertake large scale science popularisation tasks in the country."] ...the bronze figurine of dancing girl from Mohenjodaro...

Dance: The Living Spirit of Indian Arts

1 posted on 05/10/2007 9:30:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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Map of the Sarasvati-Sindu and Ghaggar drainage system. From Gregory Possehl, ed. Harappan Civilization (1982). Probably the real economic (agricultural) and demographic basis of the ancient Sarasvati-Sindu civilization lay in the region, now desert, East of the Indus.

Sarasvati-Sindhu Civilization (ca. 3000 - 1500 B.C.)

2 posted on 05/10/2007 9:30:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 7, 2007.)
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3 posted on 05/10/2007 9:30:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 7, 2007.)
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To: SunkenCiv
I agree she looks African, but the article refers to her as "Proto-Australoid." Are they talking about Australian aboriginals?

Naked dancing girl? All they needed was the beer.

4 posted on 05/10/2007 9:37:49 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

Looks like Paris Hilton in a burn unit.


5 posted on 05/10/2007 9:43:18 AM PDT by jdm
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To: jdm

Looks like Flo from Mels’ diner.

“Mel, kiss my grits”


6 posted on 05/10/2007 9:47:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: colorado tanker
Are they talking about Australian aboriginals?

Seems that way. They got to Australia from somewhere. See Aborigines may have Indian roots

7 posted on 05/10/2007 9:48:34 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: jdm

Youre being generous...to Paris...


8 posted on 05/10/2007 9:51:38 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Interesting.


9 posted on 05/10/2007 9:57:50 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv
"Dancing girl"? Most of her is in a proportion that theoretically could be a real person but her arms and especially her hands are so large that I wonder if its supposed to mean something to the viewer.

That object on her left arm, while apparently made of bands similar to the bracelets on her right, suggest to me a function beyond just jewelry.

In the way that the image displays here, it appears that there are some rivets(?) in the left arm adornment and the bands that the adornment is made of are enlarged at the elbow which at least to me suggests some type of functional intent beyond jewelry.

10 posted on 05/10/2007 10:06:25 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (I traded freedom for security and all I got were these damned shackles.)
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To: colorado tanker

Blam will stop in with some links about this, I don’t doubt. Plus I’m a bit lazy. :’)


11 posted on 05/10/2007 10:16:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 7, 2007.)
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To: PapaBear3625; colorado tanker

Then, the whole Indus civilisation was wiped out by the invasions of the ancestors of the present-day Indians, or were they displaced to Australia?


12 posted on 05/10/2007 11:39:28 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SunkenCiv
But anyway, this looks African, no?

Looks like, but this is art-piece, not necessarily reflective of the appearance of the people living there. I wonder if anyone could make figurines any more differently than that, assuming the size of the figurine is a few inches.

Viking sculpture.

Statue of a bearded man, Indus Valley Civilisation.

13 posted on 05/10/2007 11:44:43 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
were they displaced to Australia?

By this time rising ocean levels had made the narrow channel between Sundaland and the New Guinea/Australia landmass too wide for easy access.

14 posted on 05/10/2007 11:52:09 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Well there are tribes in the Andaman & Nicobar Islands of India, where the people there supposedly have African origins, and are completely unrelated to the people living in the Indian mainland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andaman_and_Nicobar_Islands#Name_origins


15 posted on 05/10/2007 12:04:07 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
It's Wiki, so I have no idea where they got it, but this is interesting:

Joseph Greenberg proposed that these languages, or at least Great Andamanese, are related to the Papuan and Tasmanian languages as members of a phylum he called Indo-Pacific, and especially close to the western branches of Indo-Pacific. This proposal is not generally accepted by linguists (see Extended West Papuan).

The Andaman Islanders are physically Negritos - short-statured, peppercorn-haired, dark-skinned people found in small surviving pockets all over tropical Asia and New Guinea, and perhaps beyond. However, old skulls of unmixed Andaman aborigines display many morphological affinities to crania of the Caucasoid race. Moreover, recent phylogenetic studies of the human Y-chromosome have shown that the Y-chromosomes of unmixed Andaman aborigines are ultimately derived from the same ancient YAP+ clade, Haplogroup D, that produced the Y-chromosomes of about 90% of the Ainu of Japan and about 50% of the Tibetans of Tibet. Interestingly, while all other Negrito groups in Asia proper speak languages closely related to those of their non-Negrito neighbors, Andamanese shows no similarity to the language even of the nearby Nicobar Islands. This has led some to speculate that the Andamanese languages may be the last representative of the (or one of the) original languages spoken by the Asian Negritos throughout Southeast Asia before Neolithic groups took over their areas, leaving them in their current fragmented distribution.

16 posted on 05/10/2007 12:12:34 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: jdm
>Looks like Paris Hilton in a burn unit

Could be something like
a Doctor Who time-loop piece...
Paris is in jail,

and the government
uses inmates for some kind
of bizarre attempt

to travel in time,
there's a big explosion and
the next thing we know

Paris Hilton's tossed
thousands of years back in time
and starts up the cult

of Shiva among
India's proto-Hindus...
All the more reason

to pardon Paris
while we have the chance to change
the course of history!

17 posted on 05/10/2007 12:19:48 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: colorado tanker

Interesting! Got one more link here:

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/bengal2.html


18 posted on 05/10/2007 12:29:49 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: colorado tanker

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=To0uOlO3KYU&NR=1


19 posted on 05/10/2007 12:38:22 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
The article refers to "relic" populations on the peripheries of Asia, such as the Ainu, Hmong and some Tibetans and Andamanese. This really caught my eye, however:

A finding of particular interest is that the Andamanese do not carry another Y chromosome signature, known as Marker RPS4Y, that is common among Australian aborigines.

Now, if only this came from a reliable source instead of the New York Times! :-))

20 posted on 05/10/2007 12:42:21 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

:)


21 posted on 05/10/2007 12:44:40 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The picture of the dancing girl bronze reminds me of African Tribal women I have seen on the Discover Channel etc., they had rings on their arms and necks.


22 posted on 05/10/2007 2:11:14 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Dustbunny
>The picture of the dancing girl bronze reminds me of African Tribal women I have seen on the Discover Channel etc

There is a theory
ancient black West Africans
traveled the whole world . . .

23 posted on 05/10/2007 2:47:57 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: SunkenCiv
"Blam will stop in with some links about this, I don’t doubt. Plus I’m a bit lazy. :’)"

I'm tired but I'll do one just for you.

Aborigines Came Out Of Africa, Study Shows

24 posted on 05/10/2007 3:08:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: colorado tanker

Most Europeans can trace their roots to northern India/Pakistan. This is a map of the predominant male lines in Europe, R1a & R1b. 90% of the Irish and Spanish are R1b and all other Europeans are 68% R1b.

25 posted on 05/10/2007 3:14:39 PM PDT by blam
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To: colorado tanker
"The article refers to "relic" populations on the peripheries of Asia, such as the Ainu, Hmong and some Tibetans and Andamanese.

Origins Of The Ainu

26 posted on 05/10/2007 3:24:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: CarrotAndStick

“...Then, the whole Indus civilisation was wiped out by the invasions of the ancestors of the present-day Indians, or were they displaced to Australia?...”

They were, evidently, wiped out by prolonged severe drought, occasioned by cometary or bolide impact. Blam or SunkenCiv can fill you in on this.


27 posted on 05/10/2007 3:34:14 PM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

wow.. this must have been before they invented sandwiches


28 posted on 05/10/2007 9:23:58 PM PDT by wafflehouse (When in danger, When in doubt, Run in circles, Scream and Shout!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Guilty!

...wrong thread, never mind.

Cheers!

29 posted on 05/10/2007 9:55:38 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: gnarledmaw
Most of her is in a proportion that theoretically could be a real person but her arms and especially her hands are so large that I wonder if its supposed to mean something to the viewer.

I didn't notice, did *she* have an Adam's Apple too?

Bad whiskers! Bad Kitty!

30 posted on 05/10/2007 9:56:50 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: colorado tanker

Could be Australasian, which I think sourced out of Madagascar. It is actually more of a language group I think than a definitive ethnic/genetic group. There are descendants of the language group all over the place who vary radically genetically and phenotypically.

Could be. Maybe. It has been a while since I stayed at a Holiday Inn.


31 posted on 05/10/2007 10:41:05 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: CarrotAndStick
Then, the whole Indus civilisation was wiped out by the invasions of the ancestors of the present-day Indians, or were they displaced to Australia?

The lighter-skinned Aryans conquered India about 2000 BC, and took over from the darker-skinned people that were there before them. This is the origin of the caste system, where those who are mostly Aryan occupy the top caste, then are various mixes, and at the bottom, the Dalits, the "untouchables", are genetically close to the original conquered people

Something like how in Mexico and South America you have upper classes being mostly European ancestry, and the lower classes being mostly native ancestry

32 posted on 05/11/2007 5:07:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: CarrotAndStick

There was climate change involved, but the Indus Valley civilization was overrun; the Aryan invasion is denied today of course, for political reasons, but they came from Central Asia, and left due to some kind of climate change. Similar, later movements from Central Asia, but into Europe, are well known.


33 posted on 05/11/2007 8:36:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 10, 2007.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks! The Indus settlements are one of the big enigmas of mankind.


34 posted on 05/11/2007 8:51:09 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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