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Posted on 05/13/2007 6:12:10 AM PDT by george76
New Hampshire authorities said yesterday that they will not press charges against a former Marine who stepped into a deadly shooting and killed a 24-year-old high school dropout who had moments earlier fatally shot a police officer.
The former Marine, Gregory W. Floyd, 49, was driving with his son along Route 116 in Franconia on Friday night when he saw Liko Kenney, 24, shoot Franconia Police Corporal Bruce McKay, 48, four times in the torso. After Kenney drove his Toyota Celica over McKay as the officer lay on the ground, Floyd grabbed the officer's service weapon and shot and killed Kenney. . . .
The elder Floyd drove his Tahoe into a spot between McKay and Kenney as a shield and told his son, who is in his late teens, to run to the officer's cruiser and radio for help.
The elder Floyd picked up McKay's gun from the ground and ordered Kenney to drop his weapon. Kenney refused, and Floyd saw Kenney appear to be reloading, Conte said. Floyd then shot and killed Kenney, Conte said. . . .
New Hampshire's attorney general, Kelly A. Ayotte, said Floyd will not face charges because he was justified in using deadly force.
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I know about the agreement, negotiated by Lito Kenney's lawyers as a plea bargain item. It was wrong. It still does not have the effect of alowing Lito to break the law. Bruce never got the chance to act according to the"agreement." He was shot dead after Lito Kenney got the drop on an experienced police officer. The only way Lito could do that do that is by having his gun ready as Bruce walked up to the car. We will know eventually, the whole thing was videoed.
Without the agreement , and the plea bargain, Lito would be behind bars, where he should have been. He was a felon, armed and dangerous. What was Bruce to do, ID Lito, then drive away? Hardly.
The facts sound like Lito baited Bruce too.But that has gone unnoticed. Premeditated murder is what it was.
Thank you for your service. I love all of you.
It drove Drega over the edge, and he decided to take a lot of people with him. That he did.
If he had taken the matter to court, he would have likely won it on constitutional issues. Town Clerks up here have since gotten very polite with tax payers.
That doesn't wash.
I knew a fellow from Texas a long time ago who used to say “some people need Killing”. Sounds like the perp was one of them.
Good job, Marine!
You are right.It wouldn't wash in places like Alabama.
Things are different up here in the North East, both New Hampshire and Vermont are run by liberals who will pull triggers just as well as conservatives.
I love a happy ending.
I don't know anyone there but have known friends who have been continually harassed by police officers for no other reasons because they were a-holes with a badge.
Does that justify Kinney's actions? Hell no! Was the officer a professional? Hell no!
And please keep your hands out of my nether regions...
Greg wasn’t the police officer...he’s the Marine who happened on the scene and killed the perp Kenney. Bruce McKay is the dead officer who apparently had some form of feud with Kenney.
Apparently the police did agree to this arrangement and the officer could have made the request for assistance at the first stop and for some reason refused to at which time the punk drove off.
The uncle didn’t seem to have any venom, “more in sorrow than in anger”. I got the impression that the news crew cornered the guy and he kinda spilled his guts honestly. He gave me the impression that he cared about his nephew, but could believe “the worst” about him.
However, there are a few "bad apples" cops that push the envelope and create a ugly situation.
All my information is based on the article and the officer didn't handle the situation right at all. It sounded like he got pissed and lost his cool.
That got him killed.
Now, you say you were a police officer... tell me... how would you have handled the situation from the start?
First assistance in the area may be long in arriving.
What difference does this make? Kinney pulled out AFTER the police officer refused to called for assistance.
I am “up here” also, CD was a wacko. We have had his type in my town, and the ones I have seen in action do not act they way they do because they have been treated hard. But there is two sides to every story.
Kinney was a hot head and I think the police officer got pissed off and lost his cool. Now we have a tragedy that could have been prevented had it been handled by another unbiased officer...
I look forward ten years to when more of the military have returned to our shores and are running for office, sitting in the Mayor’s seats, teaching in the schools, shooting bad guys, working on the police force, etc. Good for this guy to step in and help.
Its never a good idea to shoot at a cop.
The perp brought this on himself.
Good job Marine.
About 30 years ago, two parolees in Ca. murdered 4 Ca. Highway Patrolmen in a gas station near the Magic Mountain amusement park. A former Marine ran from a coffee shop, grabbed the highway patrolman’s shotgun and attemped to engage the badguys (the highway patrolman had unloaded the shotgun by ejecting the ammo due to a lack of training).
My guess is that the officer knew who he was pulling over before he pulled him over. I have worked rural areas and it doesn’t take long to ID the problem children and what they are driving.
I don’t know about NH, but in my state we could mail the ticket to the guy if needed.
No doubt in my mind Kenney was a punk. His uncle stated that he was, and the key was the sentence by the uncle that stated that Kenney was finally getting his life together, etc. I’ve heard that line many times from the relatives of a criminal killed by police including the relatives of a guy who shot one of my men four times.
As to your nethers, you should learn to take as good as you give first. You forget that YOU opened that can first, which goes to show that your analysis of the event is equally as flawed:
(Your post #23 to me: Or did you pull this information out of your ass?) Touche. I will be at Bruce's memorial service along with hundreds, and my good buddy will be playing the pipes for him.
Any bets you want to make on the numbers turning out for Lito's memorial?
The whole event is a tragedy, but one which would not have happened if Lito had been behind bars where he belonged. The responsibility for that is in the lawyers and judges hands who allowed the feud argument to prevail in Lito's previous pleadings. Maybe jail time would have brought him to his senses, and he would still be alive today.
WRONG “Kinney pulled out AFTER the police officer refused to called for assistance.” Kinney wanted the PO to have another cop, handle the stop. If you follow Kinney’s request you have lost control, you are no longer in-charge. To be more succinct, the badge means you are the boss, after you have established PC, probable cause for the stop.
From you”the officer didn’t handle the situation right at all. It sounded like he got pissed and lost his cool.” This goes back to who is in-charge the cop or?? It is an act to get pissed, if I stand there like a kiss ass wimp, who will think I am not IC. Yea, the PO probably “sounded” pissed off, and you say that got him killed.I suspect the PO dropped his guard, cops get complacent, just as drivers do, and pilots. You you ever been in a drag down fight?
I can’t tell you how I would have handled the situation I was not there. Plus your question is typical of person such as you who second guesses based on newspaper articles, and what you think LE work I all about.
I can only tell you those situations I have been in. One I thing I always did, whether it was a stop for speed, or a situation with higher risk, like a domestic violence call, was self assessment. How could I have done it better and safer? There are no two calls, or stops which are the same. I have stopped the same driver multiple times of a period of years. One thing I never did is treat the driver like we were friends because of the stops. Generally I knew the cop haters, some times dispatch would tell me what the driver had for a record, which helps in making a decision. Of course if there are passengers who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men and women.
I would suggest you go to your local PD and ask if you can ride along, in the day then at night. You will have to sign a release, and like to ride in a car at high speed. Most PD's have this policy, check it out and let me know. Do it more than once. If you can pass the physical, mental, and back ground checks, tell them you are thinking of becoming a cop. Yep there are bad apples and a** H****
05-13-2007, 6:42 AM
i think it is disgusting that nobody is thinking of the kenney family. they lost a son and a brother . two people died not one.
that crooked cop harassed that kid. he wanted to ruin his life. i dont know why SOME polce officers get thier jollies off on arresting young people. im sure that that if that cop would of done his job with a little more compassion and feeling for peoples lives, this would not have happened. considering liko was on his way home and almost there.
why didnt he call for another officer. he knew liko was scared of him, and he liked it.
that officer was there to arrest and harass not serve and protect.
liko was a friend of mine and he will be missed. to anyone who didnt know him, i hope you can be more sympathetic than channel 9 news. THERE WERE TWO LIVES LOST. a young man was pushed to the point of breaking by a person who used his athority to push people around.with the loss of one families only son and youngest child, my thougfhts and prayers are with the kenney and miller families.
sincerely,disgusted by the media
Slightly OT, but in response to your “...how I would have handled the situation...” I recall many years ago being pulled over for expired tabs. The cop was using the stop as an excuse to conduct a fishing expedition. I had all of my papers in order and my vehicle was completely legal, except for the tabs which I had just purchased, but hadn’t installed yet.
The cop asked permission to search my truck and I declined. He got insistent, snotty, and belligerent. Funny thing about that “getting the drop” - I had my carry piece in a position where he would have been dead if I was inclined. But I wasn’t inclined. I just wanted my ticket and to go home.
I suggested that perhaps a different officer could complete the stop. That really pissed him off! Curiously, he had the right to bring me out of my vehicle, but never did. Instead he stood outside my door and berated me. After about five minutes (an eternity when you’re under attack) another squad car pulled up.
After a confab the other officer approached me and asked “What’s up?” I explained my predicament, and recited my right to “quiet enjoyment”, and suggested that they just write the ticket and call it a night. Amazingly, he agreed. He went back to the younger cop and had another talk with huim. I could see that he was plainly pissed but wrote out the ticket with an angry flourish and had me sign it (gritting his teeth all the while).
The problem with this stop was that it:
1. Was over nothing.
2. Accomplished nothing worthwhile (I took my new tabs into the judge and he threw out the case).
3. Threatened both of us needlessly (yes, I contemplated my defense options which included killing him - I consciously chose against that course).
4. Left an indelibly bad impression of the police.
Where you live, don’t you have to declare you are CCW licensed? Here, you must show your license, whether you have a gun with you are not.
Not the case in all states
and never mentions a Marine stopped the cold blooded murderer.
Huh. Don’t you think it should be though?
Now let me take the other approach, you start busting my stones, the issue is you don’t want to put the tags on the plates until you get home. You become more aggressive, you know explaining your rights etc. I ask if I can search you truck, you say no. At that point, I tell you, stay in your truck, call for backup. When backup arrives, I show you a photo and a newspaper story about a town a few miles from here, where the cop has a sniffer dog. The cop and dog are available, can be here in 10 mins. Sir you have the option, me search or the dog sniffs, which is it?
I used this technique several times with positive results. When I offered that you put the tags on the plates, but you did not want to, that says to me, you want out of here, now. Why?
Please allow me to address both you and CindyDawg.
CindyDawg: Seattle. No, you aren’t required to declare your status, it’s just a good idea. Had it escalated to the point where I was ordered from my vehicle I would have declared my status and given them complete control of the “take-down”. Ordinarily I would have already mentioned it, but I knew I was facing someone with a bad attitude and an agenda. I was also about 23 ;’}
tiger-one: Your approach is the measured and responsible one. I’ve had enough traffic tickets in my life (fortunately nothing worse!) to know the difference. Yes, I did show him my new tabs, which got me the “If they aren’t on the car, it’s as good as not having them at all” speech. At that point I guess I am supposed to ask nicely “Well, can you please write me a ticket sir?” when I have no idea what was going to set him off (remember, he’s presuming that I might be armed, but I know that he is!). My objective was to prevent escalation and get out of there alive.
I believe that the reason that the 2nd cop arrived is that it was a high-crime area. This was back before they carried the mike on the shoulder radios and he never strayed very far from my vehicle, so I don’t believe that he called in for backup. I have no doubt that his buddy heard him make the call for the stop, and then went to investigate when he heard nothing further. It was also in the days before cell phones, so I couldn’t call for help, either.
The Seattle force never got the reputation of, say New Orleans, or Chicago, but in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s they had a bunch of punks running wild within their ranks. They frightened an entire generation of blacks with their brutality. That reputation dies hard. They experienced a couple of large purges as a result. The 2nd cop was older, and had the presentation of a professional, instead of a gunslinger.
The point of my tale is that it isn’t always as presented on COPS, and that it takes two to tangle. This was a bad stop that fortunately (for all) concluded peacefully. The reason it ended peacefully was because of my deliberate actions, and in spite of his deliberate actions.
Once again I applaud your common sense approach to a difficult task. I don’t think I have the temperament to put up with the BS that comes with that line of work.
These are the kinds of details I was talking about. I still don’t understand just how far Kenney “drove” after running over the officer with his car.
And I fail to see why Kenney’s high school status matters. Reporters suck.
Thank you. I’m glad I’m not the only one who was re-reading and re-reading in order to try to make sense of this muddled mess!
We were talking about the story last night over here.
That said, I think that they should be relaxed instead of stressed if someone declares because we aren't the enemy either.
Your post on that thread has a much better account than this one. Thanks ;’}
I have learned to sit still though. I got pulled over and couldn’t find my insurance card. I gave both my ids and told him I did not have my gun with me.. I started to search the glove box and was told that was ok. Being the good citizen that I am, I continued to look while he went back to his car. I couldn’t reach the other side so I got out and went to the passenger side and searched under the seat. He jumped out and got behind his door and yelled what was I doing. I told him “I’m looking for my insurance card. I know it’s here somewhere” This young man made me stand by the car so he could watch me until he was thru. He didn’t site me for the insurance though:’)
And I fail to see why Kenneys high school status matters. Reporters suck.”
There aren’t many real details here, just a lot of speculation. Some of it is informed, some not. Quite a lot of the latter, but a fair amount of the former, as well. No one includes all the details, and I doubt that you could get them even if you carefully examined all the news stories; much we need just isn’t there. I’ve looked. He could have driven anywhere from a few yards to a couple of miles, but no one in the reports I’ve seen has detailed that little tidbit. You’re right about the importance of his status re graduation from high school, too.
Something my dad taught me, from when he worked for the LA Herald-Examiner: Don’t believe but half of what you see your self, and none of what you read. BTW, he drove a delivery truck, but he had a lot of friends on various police departments who would come to visit in the wee hours of the morning. We knew a lot of what was going on in our area in the early hours.
We all have problems with certain people. We don’t go around killing though. This young man according to reports shot someone several times and then ran over the person. IMO that isn’t self defense. I’ve read comments about well, if the officer had done this or that...regardless. No one made this guy pull the trigger.
My Uncle Archie told me that once I handed the cop my registration and license, to put my hands on the top of the steering wheel, and wait. If it was dark, to turn on the dome light before I put the hands on the steering wheel. It helps the cops keep from being so nervous. I wasn’t yet driving when he said that, but I’ve remembered it all these years. He was in Glendale PD at the time.
That’s what my husband said I should have done too.
“Thats what my husband said I should have done too.”
Yep. Do NOT want nervous cops standing or sitting behind your vehicle. Not now, and not ever.
I have stopped cars, and the driver almost immediately gets out and starts walking toward my cruiser, I pick up the PA mic and tell them to stay in their car. Cops get hit while out of their cruisers, and people have gotten of their cars to shoot the cop. Some people get real rattled when the blue light special rolls up behind them.
I had one stop, college age female returning to college, on the interstate, I was running radar an hour before sunset. She was “cooking” 95 MPH in a posted 65. After she stopped and we did the formalities, she told me she was speeding because she wanted to get to college before it got dark, she was afraid to drive it the dark. The toughest job a cop has, it to inform the loved ones a family member has been killed. And they teach you in the Academy how to do that. But the teaching does not make it any easier.
Yeah. I know. I wasn’t thinking of safety. I was thinking of having to tell my husband I got two tickets and was trying to reduce it to one:’)
I'm sorry to hear about that...
If your story is accurate that SPD cop was chickenshit for writing a ticket.
Thanks for the Kudos.
Rules of the job. Use common sense, there are two sides to every story, and liability.
I like the message boards where the posters bitch about speed traps and quotas. We do not have quotas.
Speed traps, I guess when I can position my cruiser into the bushes where I can see you and my radar can read your speed, I’ll give you the trap bitch, up to a point. If you, and I am not referring to you Cindy or Rock, say it is a trap, that means the only time you don’t speed is when you see a cop.
Quotas, don’t need them, there is enough activity out there, where computers are needed to write tickets.
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