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Lost documents shed light on Black Death
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| June 1, 2007
| Simon de Bruxelles
Posted on 06/01/2007 6:38:06 AM PDT by Daffynition
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So boyz ... you're off the hook for now.
To: rainbow sprinkles
Well, maybe. I’d want to see a lot more evidence than this.
Some historians or epidemiologists have suggested that the people were so dirty they were supporting fleas that usually lived on rodents, or that the exterior temperature was irrelevant, since the people and rodents lived indoors.
Others have suggested a strain of disease that could be carried by human-hosted fleas.
Others say the evidence indicates an air- or droplet-transmitted strain in conjunction with the flea-carried strain.
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posted on
06/01/2007 6:43:09 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
("Is there any extra food around here anywhere?")
To: rainbow sprinkles
too cold during winter in Britain for this to happenWas it so back then or might that have been during a warming period? And while it may have been too cold even in the house for fleas to breed on pets and vermin, hygiene was not high on the list of traits of those ancestors. I'm sure humans carried enough fleas and kept themselves warm enough for them to breed. I suspect that once the disease had a foothold, humans were fully capable of doing the rats' work to spread it. Heck, if the court met on an extraoridnarily frequent basis, there's your vector!!! The unusually chummy folk ensured the spread!
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posted on
06/01/2007 6:49:13 AM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
(Fred Thompson in 2008 - there is no doubt about it! [GWB has jumped the duck])
To: NonValueAdded
The Medieval Warm Period was a time of unusually warm weather around 800-1300 AD. So, the Black Death comes a little after this, but it seems possible that fleas were breeding during the "cold season".
But in fact the notion that a pneumonic form of plague -- spread by sneezing and coughing, and not dependent on fleas, has been around for a long time. I guess one of the questions is: Did the Bubonic Plague take two forms, or were there two different diseases?
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posted on
06/01/2007 6:58:24 AM PDT
by
ClearCase_guy
(Enoch Powell was right.)
To: NonValueAdded
I wonder if the origin of the term "flea circus" came out of the monarchy?
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posted on
06/01/2007 7:53:11 AM PDT
by
Daffynition
(A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.)
To: rainbow sprinkles
Bubonic Plague is native to America, which is where it came from during pre-Columbian trade.
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posted on
06/01/2007 7:55:40 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Treaty)
To: rainbow sprinkles
Plague is an infectious disease that affects animals and humans. It is caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis. This bacterium is found in rodents and their fleas and occurs in many areas of the world, including the United States.
Y. pestis is easily destroyed by sunlight and drying. Even so, when released into air, the bacterium will survive for up to one hour, although this could vary depending on conditions.
Pneumonic plague occurs when Y. pestis infects the lungs. This type of plague can spread from person to person through the air. Transmission can take place if someone breathes in aerosolized bacteria, which could happen in a bioterrorist attack. Pneumonic plague is also spread by breathing in Y. pestis suspended in respiratory droplets from a person (or animal) with pneumonic plague. Becoming infected in this way usually requires direct and close contact with the ill person or animal. Pneumonic plague may also occur if a person with bubonic or septicemic plague is untreated and the bacteria spread to the lungs.
Bubonic plague is the most common form of plague. This occurs when an infected flea bites a person or when materials contaminated with Y. pestis enter through a break in a person's skin. Patients develop swollen, tender lymph glands (called buboes) and fever, headache, chills, and weakness. Bubonic plague does not spread from person to person.
Septicemic plague occurs when plague bacteria multiply in the blood. It can be a complication of pneumonic or bubonic plague or it can occur by itself. When it occurs alone, it is caused in the same ways as bubonic plague; however, buboes do not develop. Patients have fever, chills, prostration, abdominal pain, shock, and bleeding into skin and other organs. Septicemic plague does not spread from person to person.
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posted on
06/01/2007 7:57:41 AM PDT
by
Old_Mil
(Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
To: RightWhale
Bubonic Plague is native to America, which is where it came from during pre-Columbian trade. I had heard that it originated in Kazakhstan, and moved Westward.
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posted on
06/01/2007 8:03:20 AM PDT
by
Cowboy Bob
(Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
To: rainbow sprinkles
It was spread by one infected traveler who was warned by his doctor not to travel, and wasn’t quarantined.
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posted on
06/01/2007 8:22:25 AM PDT
by
shekkian
To: SunkenCiv; blam
Maybe the 'Graves' part of GGG.
blam, you might be interested.
L
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posted on
06/01/2007 8:23:58 AM PDT
by
Lurker
(Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
To: rainbow sprinkles
Sorry, I thought this thread was about the Rose Law Firm records.
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posted on
06/01/2007 8:24:45 AM PDT
by
Silly
(http://www.paulklenk.us)
To: Cowboy Bob
It came in on the fur trade from Central America. Hit Iceland first, a year before it reached the continent of Europe.
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posted on
06/01/2007 8:36:08 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Treaty)
To: RightWhale
It came in on the fur trade from Central America. Hit Iceland first, a year before it reached the continent of Europe. The version I heard (believe it was on History Channel), was that it came from Central Kazakhstan, moved Westward through Russia (no record of the deaths in this part of the World), and moved onward to Turkey.
During a battle between the Turks and Venetians, the Turks began flinging the bodies of dead Turks over the walls of the Venetian fort.
Venetians returning to Italy brought the Plague back with them.
That's the story I heard. I'll have to "Google" the subject...
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posted on
06/01/2007 10:20:54 AM PDT
by
Cowboy Bob
(Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
To: Lurker; LucyT
"blam, you might be interested." Yup, thanks. I read a pretty good article some time back that made a pretty good case that at least two (maybe three) infectious agents was involved during the Black Death.
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posted on
06/01/2007 11:21:55 AM PDT
by
blam
To: Cowboy Bob
That is the story. Of course, Columbus discovered America and there was nothing before, as taught (by whom?). Neither Greenland nor Vinland existed, nor the Grand Bank fishing waters. There were neither Turkeys nor turkey corn in England. Ignore the Vikings, the English, the Portugese, the Chinese, the Turks, and the Irish. Ignore the tobacco leaves used to line the insides of Egyptian mummies 2000 BC and the cocaine in their hair. Google away, don’t forget Wikipedia.
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posted on
06/01/2007 11:26:22 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(Repeal the Treaty)
To: rainbow sprinkles
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posted on
06/01/2007 11:31:33 AM PDT
by
VOA
To: blam
at least two (maybe three) infectious agents was involved during the Black Death. Considering the states of personal hygiene, potable water, and waste disposal at the time that wouldn't suprise me in the least.
L
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posted on
06/01/2007 12:03:34 PM PDT
by
Lurker
(Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to plague.)
To: Silly
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posted on
06/01/2007 1:44:54 PM PDT
by
Daffynition
(A conclusion is the place where you got tired of thinking.)
To: RightWhale
Domesticated South American turkeys were brought to Europe by the early Spanish explorers. The original Pilgrims brought some of those turkeys back to North American when they came to settle. Some got into the wild and now all wild US turkeys have some of the DNA from those ‘European’ turkeys. The Indians didn’t introduce the Pilgrims to turkeys...the Pilgrims already had them.
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posted on
06/01/2007 1:50:44 PM PDT
by
blam
To: rainbow sprinkles
:-)
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posted on
06/01/2007 1:52:53 PM PDT
by
Silly
(http://www.paulklenk.us)
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