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Need large screen TV advice and opinions. (Need videophile advice)
7/18/07 | Self

Posted on 07/18/2007 7:55:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Okay, I am going to spend some of my mad money for a large screen HDTV. I want either a LCD or Plasma TV, no projection tv's. I want 1080p resolution. I'll have around $2000 to spend. What I need is advice on what is good, what sucks, what breaks, what keeps on working, plasma tv life expectancy, etc.

Hit me!


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: hdtv; lcd; plamsa; unplugit; wasteofmoney
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To: george76

Thanks!


151 posted on 07/18/2007 10:40:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Doogle

Sharp Aquos was (a few months ago at least) touted as the one to get.


152 posted on 07/18/2007 10:50:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BreezyDog
Drinking Coffee You don’t have to switch through the inputs.

Many thanks, you just made my day.  I'd have never figured it out as I don't use the Sony remotes. All the TV functions I need are on my CATV remote, except of course the TV menu button.  I guess I'll just have to keep the extra remote close by.

153 posted on 07/18/2007 11:37:35 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice.)
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To: ADemocratNoMore; advertising guy; AJMaXx; american colleen; arbooz; auboy; BallparkBoys; bert; ...

Pinging the HDTV list...


154 posted on 07/18/2007 11:45:04 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave (HDTV ping list, please FReepmail me if you would like your name added.)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

My 60 inch Wega had by far the best picture available when I bought it in ‘04. It’s needed a replacement bulb once, but it made it good as new. The worst is anything by RCA.


155 posted on 07/19/2007 12:11:20 AM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have the 42 and 47” LCD 1080p Westinghouse televisions, and I’ve been very pleased with them. They’re some of the cheapest on the market, but I’d gladly compare their picture quality with the more expensive brands. They also have a great variety of inputs (HDMI, 2 DVI, 2 component, one VGA, one S-Video, and your basic L/R RCA style input).

The Westinghouse sets don’t have a built in tuner, but since you’re looking for a 1080p set, I assume you have an HD cable box (that’s what I have hooked up to both of mine, and a variety of gaming systems/HD DVD players). For $2000, you could get either Westinghouse and still have enough left over to buy a Toshiba HD DVD player and maybe even a blu-ray player.


156 posted on 07/19/2007 3:17:15 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: mylife
I bought a 52" Mitsubishi DLp 1080i for under 2,000. With the stand it ended up being almost 2,500. Its been great except for the fact that after moving to a new house, if it gets a little warm the TV will signal its too hot and shuting down.

It hasn't happened in a while but I can find nothing else wrong with the TV.

157 posted on 07/19/2007 3:30:37 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
A large portion of their consumer electronic production has moved to their factories in Malaysia. It is widely assumed that’s where the quality has dropped off. Seems even Japan has outsourcing issues.
158 posted on 07/19/2007 3:48:21 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Make sure you get a unit with plenty of HDMI inputs, which is fast becoming the standard digital input port. My 50 inch Sony LCD HDTV only has one HDMI input, which I have my cable box/DVR hooked up to. Now I can’t hook up my DVD/Home theater system, nor my Playstation 3, nor a DVD Recorder; they are hooked up through vastly inferior other connections (RCA cables, component).


159 posted on 07/19/2007 3:51:49 AM PDT by hawkeye101 (Liberalism IS a mental disorder. It can only be cured by large doses of common sense and the truth.)
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To: HawaiianGecko
If you’re viewing on Video2 and want to switch to Video1, you have to click through the seven connections between them. Other than that, I’ve had no problems what-so-ever.

I have a Sony 40" KDL 2500 1080p LCD in the and a 46" Sony Bravia LCD in the living room and I am able to lock out the unused videos so it will scroll only the active ones.

Both have been excellent and have made me very happy.

160 posted on 07/19/2007 4:00:48 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: fzx12345; mylife
The mirrors themselves are made out of aluminium and are around 16 micrometres across. Each one is mounted on a yoke which in turn is connected to two support posts by compliant torsion hinges. In this type of hinge, the axle is fixed at both ends and literally twists in the middle. Because of the small scale, hinge fatigue is not a problem and tests have shown that even 1 trillion (1012) operations do not cause noticeable damage. Tests have also shown that the hinges cannot be damaged by normal shock and vibration, since it is absorbed by the DMD superstructure.

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161 posted on 07/19/2007 4:39:49 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The only advice I can give you is don't spend too much time looking because what you are favoring today is going to be obsolete or upgraded in a couple months.

Look at it, buy it then enjoy it and don't do any more window shopping for at least 2 years so you won't have any regrets for not waiting a couple months for the better model that came out..... :)

162 posted on 07/19/2007 4:51:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: ejonesie22
Seems even Japan has outsourcing issues.

Yep. On the back of my Sony surround sound speakers, it says "Made in China".

163 posted on 07/19/2007 5:07:18 AM PDT by scan58 (Diversity results in a collection of unconnected individuals.)
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To: CMAC51
The price is more like $200 - $220 on line and replacement is simple. Remove on screw on acces panel. Lift of panel, unplug bulb assembly (Bulb is in a metal frame) and plug in new assembly. Replace cover and screw. Turn on TV. 3 to 4 minutes of intense labor.

That's great news - got our 46 LCD last year. Even then the newer DLP's had the better picture - but we weren't ready to deal with the bulb issue. Guess we should have waited...

164 posted on 07/19/2007 5:12:25 AM PDT by GOPJ (A bunch of bands taking big tax breaks isn't a "movement" Live Earth = "rent a crowd"...)
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To: CanaGuy

TV is great....it’s the programming that sucks. The old B&W films are great. One has to really pay attention to the fast pace dialogs....that in of itself tunes the viewer into the acting and the directing as well as the script; much different than the constant deception of special affects.


165 posted on 07/19/2007 5:16:12 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Make sure you can stand watching an LCD first. My brother has LCD, I have plasma. His has a higher resolution than my plasma but my plasma has hands down better picture quality (Pioneer broadcast monitor and bro regrets his choice). For sports this plasma (72hz refresh rate) is superb viewing. I find LCD smear fatiguing to my eyes. If I were to shop for LCD, 1080p wouldn’t be the thing I’d look for, I’d look for the new 120hz refresh rate (which is probably attached to 1080p only anyway).


166 posted on 07/19/2007 5:33:05 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Save yourself a few hundred bucks and skip the Monster cable hustle at the store. Get your cables off the net at cablewholesale.com or one of the others.

Great article on cables here:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,121777/article.html


167 posted on 07/19/2007 5:47:06 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution ? 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: BKerr
Coax (your normal cable TV wire) - Not HD with mono sound.

Coax, my normal cable TV wire, delivers a full spectrum of digital cable channels with stereo, plus numerous HDTV channels with 5.1 surround.

Would tend to agree on cable pricing rip-offs. One general tip is to never buy cables where the TV sets are sold ... whatever the retailer gives up on pricing the set, they'll make back, in spades, on the cables.

168 posted on 07/19/2007 5:54:32 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: goldstategop
My set is 1080p. The bad news is HD programming is not available in my area... yet.

Don't hold your breath, either. Whenever HD programming does come to your area, it won't be in 1080p. There are NO broadcasters presently using 1080p, and there is NO PLAN to upgade on the horizon. Your set may upconvert to 1080p, but only gamers and those willing to invest in the undecided standards of HDDVD/BlueRay can take advantage of native 1080p.

169 posted on 07/19/2007 6:08:08 AM PDT by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: CanaGuy

I watch very little TV and then I watch mostly the Discovery channel and the History channel. And Battlestar Galactica and 24. But I do like movies and would like a nice TV to watch them on.


170 posted on 07/19/2007 6:13:50 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: clamper1797

I have been thinking about the laser TV since I read about them but wasn’t sure when they were being put on the market. I am very tempted to wait, too.


171 posted on 07/19/2007 6:31:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

lol

we put our feet up, with the soles facing Mecca.


172 posted on 07/19/2007 6:31:54 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: mom4kittys
What do you recommend? I understand LCD ia better than plasma—right?

I don't want to recommend anything until I actually have it.. Still researching Sharp, Samsung and Panasonic.. I'll probably go with an LCD this time.
173 posted on 07/19/2007 6:35:23 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (So, I put on some tangerine lip gloss and answered the door.. I was one lucky woman.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Our Sharp Aquos ( LC-32D43U ) is doing well...Knocking on wood.

We have had it for 3 months.

174 posted on 07/19/2007 6:37:31 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: madrastex

There are enough 80s movies and sitcom reruns to make it worth it. Throw in VH1 Classic’s Metal Mania and you have a deal.

;-)

I have FIOS too.


175 posted on 07/19/2007 6:39:57 AM PDT by RockinRight (FRedOn. Apply Directly To The White House!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I know you are rejecting projection TVs, but that could mean the ones with a built in Behind the screen projector. Do not dismiss DLP prjectors, such as Radio Shack sells.

At Christmas, they had a DLP projector for sale at $999 with a built in sound system, subwoofer, et al, and a DVD player.

I couldn’t afford it then, but in the mean time, I got my hands on a regular video projector and now have a 9 foot (108”) screen.

The only requirement is that the screen not have direct light on it as this diffuses the color, which is ok, because whn I watch football or a movie, or play my PS2 games, I don’t want to be looking around, I want to focus on the show.


176 posted on 07/19/2007 6:43:36 AM PDT by Sensei Ern (http://www.myspace.com/reconcomedy - Ann Coulter is My Press Secretary)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Back in May I bought a Sony Grand WEGA™ 50” LCD Projection HDTV (KDF-50E2000). Paid $1199.00 at Circuit City. Great picture, really like it. This set is not a true flat panel, and you need to use a stand, but I am very impressed with the quality so far.

The only cons are the 10 second delay from powering on the TV to seeing the picture (the bulb must warm up first), and the $150 bulb will need replacing every 8,000 hours (4 or 5 years of normal use).

One big reason I chose a 50 in. LCD projection over a plasma is power consumption. Looked at a 50 in. plasma from Vizio, but it uses 500 watts of power continuous. The 50 in. LCD I got uses 200 watts.

177 posted on 07/19/2007 6:45:53 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: SunkenCiv

Whenever I go into stores selling big screens, one thing I always notice.... the Samsung always has the best and clearest picture.


178 posted on 07/19/2007 6:49:26 AM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: redangus

“Stay away from LCDs, at this point they don’t have the picture quality, black levels or reliability of the big plasmas. At your price point though I don’t know if you can get 1080P on anything larger than a 42 incher.”

From what I’ve seen, the latest, high quality LCDs have excellent picture quality and black levels. The Sony XBR2 LCDs, for example, look excellent to my eyes. Also some Phillips (!) LCDs I looked at a couple of weeks ago were looking pretty good. All 1080p.

I still like plasmas, but you have to go to at least 50” to get 1080p in a plasma screen, and those are still a little pricey. The Panasonic 42” HD Plasma is very nice, however the resolution, IIRC, is only 1280x720 - which still looks great on a screen that size from a reasonable viewing distance of say, 6 feet or more.


179 posted on 07/19/2007 6:53:20 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

At $2000 I’d go with a 65” or so DLP. Toshiba or Samsung are good choices. The most common “if I had it do over again” statement by buyers is going for a bigger screen.


180 posted on 07/19/2007 6:53:44 AM PDT by TruthWillWin
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To: diamond6

Last year, or perhaps early this year, I read that Samsung had become the new Sony, vis a vis reputation for quality and design, etc, bought a Samsung product (my first cell phone was a Samsung, and I’d liked that), a combo DVD/VHS, and having used it for some months, as well as using another model of DVD/VHS also by Samsung, I very much doubt I’ll ever buy a Samsung again.

In any case, I’m going to wait to buy — when the analog TV signal dies in 18 months or so, more options should be available (besides laser TV someone mentioned above, there are at least two other technologies in the pipeline), interfaces should be better, prices should be half or less what they are today, and an enormous used market should be already out there.


181 posted on 07/19/2007 6:56:31 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: george76; diamond6

Thanks.


182 posted on 07/19/2007 6:58:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Wednesday, July 18, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fzx12345

And don’t forget the spinning color wheel and bulbs in DLP projectors - more things to go wrong and, in the case of the wheel and cooling fan, make noise. Then there’s the “rainbow effect”. There are DLPs on the market now (Samsung, I think, probably others) that use LEDs for their light source.

Personally, I just don’t much care for the way rear projection looks. Give me direct-view every time.


183 posted on 07/19/2007 6:59:07 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’ve read about half the posts on this thread and gave up looking. In all the advice you’re getting, has anyone asked some very pertinent questions?

- What is the optimal TV size you need? There are readily available room size charts to determine the correct size for your needs. Too big is a problem. Don’t let anyone tell you it isn’t.

- What is the lighting of the room where it is going? Is it a dedicated Home Theater room with controlled lighting or is it going in the family room with a big, old double window along the wall? Reflected light on a plasma screen is an issue.

- How much time will you spend watching the set? If the set is going to be used for movies and gaming, that would be different from a set that will be used to watch all the regular stuff that you’ve been watching on a tube TV.

hdguru.com is a starting point, in my opinion. There are tons of other considerations.

As a last piece of advice, please accept anecdotal evidence of great/poor performance for what it is. A lot of owners (of ANYTHING) will tell you their model is the one to have. It’s human nature to want to get an endorsement of our decisions. Also, when someone tells you ‘XXXX is junk’ or things like that, take them with a grain of salt. Do some research or require someone who says ‘avoid...’ to give you some non-anecdotal evidence. For instance, Sharp Aquos has been known to suffer from banding in the past. Find out via reviews from technical / consumer sites and articles if this matters or if the manufacturer has addressed the problem.

In the interest of disclosure, I don’t own an HDTV set yet, as I’m sort of in the same boat as you. I’m shopping, but not at all ready to pull the trigger.

Best of luck on the search and let us all know how you made out.


184 posted on 07/19/2007 6:59:49 AM PDT by GreenAccord
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Here’s a site to look at ...

http://www.digitaltvdesignline.com/products/185300831


185 posted on 07/19/2007 8:35:40 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72-73 ... USS Midway Va-93 Blue Blazers)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I would not buy a great TV without an AV receiver and excellent set of 5.1 speakers to go with it. Great picture without great sound is missing half of the sensory experience.

I agree. Most people just buy the big screen and use the speakers on the TV.

If they don't get the 5.1 surround sound with a big honkin' sub-woofer they are really missing out. Especially for movies.

186 posted on 07/19/2007 8:50:36 AM PDT by toast
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’ve reviewed some of these HDTVs personally (both LCD and Plasma). In general I prefer plasma for reproduction of moving images, color reproduction and black levels/contrast, but there are some LCD sets that are better than some plasma sets. Resolution (1920x1080 vs. 1366x768) really isn’t the most important measurement of a set (particularly at normal viewing distances), but all else being equal, a 1080p set is sharper than a 768p or 720p set.

I think the current “best” bang-for-the-buck and possibly the best set out there under $3K in the 50-inch size would be the new 1080p Panasonic plasmas. A little outside your price range but not much ($2600). Here’s a link:

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/panasonic-1080p-plasma-1139.shtml

I’ve set up and calibated one of these for a friend and was very impressed by the detail and color accuracy. No visible image retention and minimal reflectivity of the screen. This is the one I would get if I were buying today.

-CB


187 posted on 07/19/2007 10:28:00 AM PDT by MrBoylan
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To: HawaiianGecko

Glad I could help. I had the same problem you did. But having 8 of my 9 inputs on my XBR3 being used I couldn’t deal anymore and someone at AVSforum clued me in.

Another trick is to go into setup and edit your external inputs not being used to skip mode. So then you scroll right past the input like its not there.


188 posted on 07/19/2007 11:17:44 AM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: MrBoylan
I was at a Walmart and looked at both LCD and Plasma,the plasma looked kind of blurry when it come to actions sports scenes. I was like it took it a second to catch up? Right now I am leaning towards LCD..but...when Laser comes out all the comments will be null and void..oh I got a headache..
189 posted on 07/19/2007 11:53:08 AM PDT by GregB (Please pray for my grandchildren,Anna and Jacob!!!)
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To: -YYZ-

Actually, Panasonic 42-inch plasmas have a resoluton of 1024x768, not 1280x720. They use rectangular plasma pixels in order to present a natural 16:9 aspect ratio. Most 42-inch plasmas are 1024x768 resolution (Pioneer, Vizio, Samsung, etc.).

But Panasonic did just release their first 1080p plasma in the 42-inch size (earlier this month). Not cheap though - $2499 list. I think the 50-inch model is a better value.

-CB


190 posted on 07/19/2007 11:53:21 AM PDT by MrBoylan
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To: clamper1797

Hey clamper1797

I’ve been researching HDTV’s for a long time now, through reading the posts at avsforum.com - but, I’ve seen very little information regarding Laser Hdtv sets. In fact.. none.

So, I’d like to ask you a few questions.. for instance, are they really going to be available by Christmas of 2007?

Also, I KNOW that most LCDs, and Plasmas as well, have tremendous problems with “Motion Blurring” and “Judder” in fast motion scenes. Will the Laser HDTV solve this problem utilizing Frame Interpolation, at 120 hz? How will Laser HDTVs solve the Motion Blurring problems?

Are these sets going to be available in various sizes ? (42 inch, 55 inch, 60 inch?) I’d like to know a little about specifications as well..

Oh, yes..and where will these sets be available to view during the upcoming Christmas season? I’d sure like to SEE them in action! What Brand names are we looking for?

Most importantly, for all lot of us, the real question is, what price range are the Laser HDTV sets going to be set at? Many of us are not wealthy..but most of us might be able to look at sets within the 1,000 to 2,500 K range.

Sorry for all of the questions, but this is the first time I’ve had the opportunity to inquire of anyone regarding these new type of HDTV sets. Thanks for your patience with me..


191 posted on 07/19/2007 11:55:27 AM PDT by Biblical Calvinist (Soli Deo Gloria !)
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To: MrBoylan

Right, 1024x768. I was thinking of the 37”, which (if they still even sell it) is only 1024x720. They still look pretty good, though.


192 posted on 07/19/2007 12:09:59 PM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: clamper1797
Many of us have "hung on" for seven years as the HDTV became practical in size, quality and now cost.

So, I have to ask: Which XMAS? Do you really think that production models will be in large distribution in six months?

193 posted on 07/19/2007 12:37:17 PM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Okay, I am going to spend some of my mad money for a large screen HDTV. I want either a LCD or Plasma TV, no projection tv's. I want 1080p resolution. I'll have around $2000 to spend. What I need is advice on what is good, what sucks, what breaks, what keeps on working, plasma tv life expectancy, etc. Hit me!

Heeeeeyyy......that sound great. I'm looking forward to spending many, many hours days weeks months at your home watching lots of stuff. :-)

Where do you live? ;-)

194 posted on 07/19/2007 6:14:24 PM PDT by lowbridge (If YouÂ’re Gonna Burn Our Flag, Wrap Yourself in It First /No Oil for Pacifists)
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To: Vermont Lt

DO NOT buy the gold-plated cable myth. The $20 HDMI cables work just as well as the gold plated Monster cables. It’s a digital signal. Any cable that delivers the data is exactly as good as any other. The picture is identical.

Remember. Your HDMI cable is going to be about 4 feet long. Even cheap, crappy cables work for that distance.


195 posted on 07/19/2007 7:49:52 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Poser

Actually, I got the HDMI cable from the cable company. I dont know if that was “normal” or not. I am sure they didnt pay a lot for them. It helps to ask though. What can they say?


196 posted on 07/19/2007 8:09:02 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: WackySam

You are correct; a 12 pack and I mix up Composite/RCA and Component.

Some TV’s look better with component vs. HDMI because they can’t handle the imput stream of the wider bandwith produced by HDMI. It’s much like when you stream a video online at a higher speed than your connection allows, only on a minor level.


197 posted on 07/19/2007 11:40:45 PM PDT by BKerr (Thompson 2008!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Look at the pictures side-by-side in the electronics store; Sony has the best picture. Mitsubishi is sometimes a close second.


198 posted on 07/21/2007 10:24:49 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

I’ve done that. They don’t. Thanks.


199 posted on 07/21/2007 10:33:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Saturday, July 21, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: advertising guy

My carbon footprint is bigger than yours! I’m proud of it as I am fertilizing all the trees and plants with the food (CO2) they need. The more electronic stuff I buy the more I turn the planet green! I’m a greenie!!


200 posted on 07/22/2007 8:16:30 AM PDT by enviros_kill
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