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Cotton farmer shoots 40 deer
The Memphis Commercial Appeal ^ | 7/28/07 | Alex Doniach

Posted on 07/28/2007 5:04:07 PM PDT by Sybeck1

Whispers started with the first few gunshots.

Neighborhood rumors had it that a cotton farmer who leases land from the Chickasaw Basin Authority near the Wolf River was shooting deer on the property.

So when residents discovered nearly 40 of the animals had been killed and left to rot in the surrounding woods, they reacted with horror.

"I don't like to see (deer) slaughtered, and that's what happened down there in these cotton fields," said Brenda Flanagan, a nearby resident. "To me it's inhumane. ... What's gone is gone, and I would hate to see that ever happen again."

Angry neighbors also cited safety concerns.

"Our first concern was the brutality of killing those animals," said Arthur Wolff, who owns property on Bethany Road, a shady street that dead ends into the sprawling cotton farm. "Then there was the safety issue of shooting deer so close to people's homes."

Wolff, along with other angry residents, called officials from the Chickasaw Basin Authority (CBA), a state agency dealing with flood-control and drainage in a three-county area. The CBA owns a 600-acre patch of land near Collierville's annexation reserve in unincorporated Shelby County.

It turns out the farmer had been given permission by the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency (TWRA) to kill deer that were destroying his crops.

But as a result of the community's response, CBA's chairman, Charles Perkins, said they became aware of the safety issues and pulled the permit until further notice.

"We just thought it was a health concern and a safety concern because of the populated area being so close in proximity," Perkins said. "We put a stop to it."

Farmer David Ciarloni, who leases the 200 acres, is not happy about the decision, but he's going to wait to see what can be negotiated with the CBA.

He said the deer population has escalated in recent years, wreaking havoc on his cotton crop.

"It's not going to stop, and it will make this farm impossible to farm in the future," he said.

Although Ciarloni won't know the extent of damage until harvest time, he's estimated 30 percent to 50 percent crop damage. "It's an astronomical increase from last year."

Ciarloni grew frustrated with the deer problem a few months ago and contacted his landlord, the CBA, for a permit to kill the deer.

Ted Fox, the county's public works director who doubles as the CBA's executive director, said he sent a county employee out to examine the damage.

The employee corroborated Ciarloni's story -- that deer had eaten away at about 30 percent of the crop. Fox contacted the Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency, which issues hunting permits.

Gary Cook, TWRA's regional manager in West Tennessee, said state legislation allows farmers to receive hunting permits if they can prove significant crop loss. Called a "depredation permit," this license allows farmers to kill wildlife such as birds or deer that are causing damage to public or private property.

"It happens all over Tennessee on a regular basis," Cook said. "This is not something rare or unusual."

Each year, TWRA issues anywhere from about three to 10 permits to landowners in Shelby County. Last year, it issued 11.

A permit was issued to the CBA after TWRA officers sent to Ciarloni's farm noted significant crop loss and 81 deer.

Ronnie Shannon of TWRA said that contrary to popular belief, deer have been known to eat newer strains of cotton, called "Roundup Ready" cotton that has a salty taste. And because there's limited hunting in the county, the deer population has grown in recent years.

TWRA officials relayed this information to the CBA board, which voted unanimously to thin the herd during a two-week period.

Perkins, CBA's chairman, said the TWRA warden showed up to the meeting in uniform and with his rifle, leading him to assume that the officer -- not Ciarloni -- would be handling the problem.

"We thought the TWRA was going to handle the eradication," Perkins said. "We thought they were going to be onsite to supervise or do it themselves."

He was surprised to discover Ciarloni had taken a shotgun and killed the animals himself.

Perkins also discovered their bodies had been dragged off the cotton fields and into nearby wooded areas to rot.

"That concerned us because of the scavengers, the possibility of the coyotes moving into that area, the buzzards and the smell," Perkins said. "It was a general health concern."

Fox called Ciarloni and put a hold on the permit. The CBA held a meeting Tuesday to discuss the issue.

During that session, the CBA heard testimony from Wolff and other concerned residents, who complained of safety and health risks for the surrounding residents.

Perkins said the license will be pulled until further notice, but something will have to be done eventually to deal with the deer population.

And of the system chosen to hunt the deer, he said residents probably won't be happy about it.

"I personally am leaning toward a limited hunting situation although I suspect neighbors won't like that," he said. "This is a serious problem in Shelby County."

-- Alex Doniach: 529-5231

Copyright 2007, commercialappeal.com - Memphis, TN. All Rights Reserved.


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: animalrights; bambi; deerarebeautiful; environment; excessive; farming; iliketokilldeer; ohdeer; oversizedrats; rodents
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To: Sybeck1

The Walt Disney Bambi effect. People don’t look on deer as pests but as noble creatures of the forest. Meanwhile they multiply with no natural controls and either starve or destroy crops.


51 posted on 07/28/2007 5:50:24 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: Sybeck1

Bambi must die!


52 posted on 07/28/2007 5:51:37 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Sybeck1
So when residents discovered nearly 40 of the animals had been killed and left to rot in the surrounding woods, they reacted with horror.

One guy shooting 40 deer tells me those folks have a problem and it ain't with the shooter...........

53 posted on 07/28/2007 5:53:51 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If your cat was big enough it would probably eat you)
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To: BGHater

“Deer now are a nuisance in some areas. Same with Nonmigratory Canadian Geese.”

My town had a canadian geese problem. They were everywhere destroying lawns, golf courses and ruining car finishes with that crap of theirs.

My town tried to get rid of the canadian geese. We had horns that went off every couple of minutes. People complained. We destroyed the eggs. People complained. We implemented nazi tactics and put them in trucks and gassed them. People complained. We sprayed lawns and put mesh over the water on golf courses so they couldn’t land. People complained.

Then everyone came in and complained that there were canadian geese all over the place and we should do something.

I just laughed.


54 posted on 07/28/2007 5:55:37 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The Democrat Party: "Everyone is equal, but some are more equal then others.")
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To: Sybeck1

boy, the caption for the Kerry-Edwards picture should have Edwards saying “My butt is really sore”...


55 posted on 07/28/2007 5:56:14 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: gotribe

Deer are pests, with a bone structure like Paris Hilton. Wild pigs are pests too, but with a bone structure more like Rosie O’Donnell.

But pigs are made of tasty spam...


56 posted on 07/28/2007 5:57:58 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: GATOR NAVY

Usually food banks won’t take wild animals. Parasites would make them liable.


57 posted on 07/28/2007 5:59:19 PM PDT by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: vetvetdoug
Being as there is a coyote population that people think will escalate because of all the delicious deer meat (venison to us...) laying around rotting maybe the thing to do is lace the carcasses with coyote poison and kill two birds with one stone so to speak.
58 posted on 07/28/2007 5:59:56 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: gunservative

This is due to Americans being weaned away from a hunting culture to one dependent on grocery stores. I recall rifles regularly lined up along the back wall of the church for the after-service group hunts. Now most Americans are so wussified they blanch at the very idea of “killing Bambi”.

Not enough people are hunting to keep the deer population down - especially since their natural predators have been practically wiped out. We have the responsibility to make up for those predators absence.


59 posted on 07/28/2007 5:59:59 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Corn oil on eggs, works every time.


60 posted on 07/28/2007 6:00:06 PM PDT by BGHater (Bread and Circuses)
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To: Mikey_1962
Why not spray the cotton with something that tastes bad to deer?

That's exactly what the cotton picker was doing!

Hot lead, 3 inches above the tops of the plants.

Seemed to be working out ok until the people thought Bambi might be there got all mushy about it. Hope some of these people get a real good close look at the deer. At twilight, as they come around a curve in the road while the deer are on their way to dinner in the cotton fields.

61 posted on 07/28/2007 6:00:21 PM PDT by woofer (Some strive to soar like an eagle, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines.)
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Although I would recommend dressing them out and putting them in the freezer.
62 posted on 07/28/2007 6:00:42 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Sybeck1

Sounds like Farmer Curloni is a good shot and would be well able to handle coyotes in the area, too. That would really tickle neighbors ;-)


63 posted on 07/28/2007 6:01:07 PM PDT by Cloverfarm (Children are a blessing ...)
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To: Fishtalk

What do you think of this deer thing?


64 posted on 07/28/2007 6:06:14 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Sybeck1; All

IOW the girly men were horrified.

Nobody seems to remember Bambi’s mom was EATEN for dinner (yummy)

This farmer was killing VERMIN. Perhaps he should have just burried the bodies, HOWEVER will deer stay away from dead deer bodies?


65 posted on 07/28/2007 6:06:37 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Fishtalk

Oh man, that’s terrible. Glad you have Opera on that old computer - I can’t imagine being cutoff from the computer!


66 posted on 07/28/2007 6:07:51 PM PDT by GOPPachyderm
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To: GATOR NAVY

Agreed. The meat should have been processed.

Heck I would buy some.


67 posted on 07/28/2007 6:07:51 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Sybeck1

That’s the last time those damn deer steal my cotton!!!


68 posted on 07/28/2007 6:08:01 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: Sybeck1
I have deer that visit my yard in upstate NY and I think they are beautiful. This last winter I was worried about them because of the 6 feet of packed snow that fell and did not melt for months. But sure enough they showed up again after it melted. Deer are very skittish, they are always nervous about their surroundings. The creep that shot 40 deer is a very mean thug.
69 posted on 07/28/2007 6:09:34 PM PDT by GinaLolaB
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
If he's not going to donate the meat, at least get out the backhoe and bury 'em...

Waste of time an energy. One of the complaints is that the carcasses attract coyotes and buzzards. Well, they're already there so might just as well feed them with the dead deer than have them come snooping around the neighborhood farms..........

70 posted on 07/28/2007 6:10:35 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If your cat was big enough it would probably eat you)
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To: Sybeck1

Bring in wolves!


71 posted on 07/28/2007 6:11:09 PM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: Sybeck1
Tomorrow's headline today:

Bambi Dead!


72 posted on 07/28/2007 6:15:27 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Every depredation permit I have ever seen prohibits the harvest of the meat.

I agree, it is a waste, but done to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest as to the reason the deer are killed.


73 posted on 07/28/2007 6:16:22 PM PDT by wrench
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To: Sybeck1
Only problem here that I can see is the accumulation of carcasses. Farmer should have made arrangements to harvest the deer, not just let them rot in the woods.
74 posted on 07/28/2007 6:17:44 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (fry Mumia)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

What a lot of people dont understand is that the rising deer population will result in a rising cougar population too


75 posted on 07/28/2007 6:18:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: the_daug
Bambi must die!

W H A T ?


76 posted on 07/28/2007 6:19:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Old Professer

Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.

Josey Wales


77 posted on 07/28/2007 6:20:41 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Fishtalk

Our house took a lighting strike 2 yrs ago,lost an
old Dell,2 TVs all the phones,blew the overhang off and
it caught on fire,the heavy downpour put the fire out,
we had ceiling heat from an old TVA program,blew the ceilings out,broke a compleat dehavilland china set

Farmers around here do the same thing about the deer,myself included. Most people would too if they had that much money tied up in that crop.


78 posted on 07/28/2007 6:21:30 PM PDT by 31M20RedDevil (Fred Thompson for President)
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To: Sybeck1
In a lot of this country, deer have turned from game into vermin.

Shoot 'em when you see 'em should be the rule.

79 posted on 07/28/2007 6:22:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: gunservative
She blamed the deer problems on “sprawl”, but I pointed out that the population of deer in our area is 6000% higher than it was 50 years ago,

You were both right. Suburban sprawl, far from taking away deer habitat, creates virtually ideal habitat--lush greenery, shrubs, tasty flowers and vegetables, succulent young trees and bushes--far better than the treelines and fields they have been used to up until lately.

80 posted on 07/28/2007 6:24:14 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (fry Mumia)
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To: NewRomeTacitus
Not enough people are hunting to keep the deer population down -

From a resident of Michigan standpoint, I have to disagree. I live in S.E. Michigan north of Detroit and the main reason for the overpopulation of deer is the lack of public lands in which to hunt them. There are so many subdivisions being built in wooded areas with the intent being to cause as little impact on the environment as possible that these small wooded enclaves are where the deer are making their homes. And there is no way in heck that these rats can be hunted safely........

I live in a very high densely populated area which happens to have a drainage ditch flowing along the east border of the sub and a wooded area about 1/10th of a mile square. In this tiny wooded enclave I have seen the following: 2 years ago beavers had damned up the drainage ditch which created a problem with overflow and the DNR had to be called to trap them and destroy their damn. I also saw a small herd of 5 deer, a coyote, a fox, 2 rooster pheasants and several hens, 2 grouse roosting in a tree and a small flock of turkeys...........

The bottom line is that what remains of their natural habitat is where they are going to remain and thrive. We can't shoot them so the only predators left are the cars and trucks that hit them on the highways.........

I'm not even going to mention the scores of possums, coons and squirrels that I have trapped and the equally abundant numbers of rabbits that I have shot...........

81 posted on 07/28/2007 6:27:27 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If your cat was big enough it would probably eat you)
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To: NewRomeTacitus

I know grown men, that are out and out afraid of guns. “I just don’t like them, I won’t have one in my house” etc. Yet two years ago after a hurricane knocked the power out for a week and the cops were busy one of the nancy boys asked if he could borrow one. I offered to sell him one and he refused and got bent out of shape. Tough sh*t.


82 posted on 07/28/2007 6:30:05 PM PDT by skepsel
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To: Sybeck1

“That concerned us because of the scavengers, the possibility of the coyotes moving into that area, the buzzards and the smell,” Perkins said. “It was a general health concern.”

That there’s what got him in trouble. He could have made a killing selling the meat or letting hunters onto his land, you know, to “help.”


83 posted on 07/28/2007 6:30:14 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Sybeck1

Death to BambI.

Shoot, shovel, shut up.

Shame he had to waste the meat.


84 posted on 07/28/2007 6:31:18 PM PDT by ForegoneAlternative (The cost of anything is...)
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To: Constantine XIII

It’s illegal to sell venison in Tennessee


85 posted on 07/28/2007 6:33:11 PM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: ForegoneAlternative

Heh. BambI. That’s rastafarian for “Bambi”.

Jah, mon.


86 posted on 07/28/2007 6:35:50 PM PDT by ForegoneAlternative (The cost of anything is...)
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To: GinaLolaB

Hear what you’re saying hon, but understand that if you don’t control the deer population, they get blue tongue and wasting disease to name a few, and die horribly. I’d rather see them killed by a gun and left to rot than go that way.


87 posted on 07/28/2007 6:36:09 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Show them no mercy, for you shall receive none!)
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To: humblegunner

Shoot’em close to the truck.


88 posted on 07/28/2007 6:36:22 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: OKSooner

I don’t know what TN regs. are - but often on depredation permits for deer or furbearers the meat, pelt, etc. can’t be utilized per the law.


89 posted on 07/28/2007 6:37:09 PM PDT by PresbyRev
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To: longtermmemmory

Funny thing though, Bambi was a BOY deer. I hear of a fair number of people named Bambi, but they are all GIRLS! How did that happen?


90 posted on 07/28/2007 6:37:45 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: ErnBatavia
When u cant pee off your front porch or on your own property...Its time to leave anyway!...*W*But I live in Maine...so what the heck do I know...
91 posted on 07/28/2007 6:38:11 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: PresbyRev

That’s not the case in TN. They are encouraged to use the meat. But the heat in summer makes that difficult


92 posted on 07/28/2007 6:38:43 PM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Mikey_1962
Why not spray the cotton with something that tastes bad to deer?

Lemme guess..... More fun to shoot the deer?

93 posted on 07/28/2007 6:44:14 PM PDT by b4its2late (If you can remain calm, you just don't have all the facts.)
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To: PresbyRev

According to my brother, Mississippi is that way. With these permits you cannot eat the meat and have to let it lay where is was shot. He is a cotton duster and has flown over many cotton fields with dear laying dead around the fields.

He uses a cotton dust on the leaves of his okra and a few veggies that the deer don’t like. But this year they have eaten about all his peas and corn. You cn bet he will have a fresh deer in his freezer soon.


94 posted on 07/28/2007 6:46:18 PM PDT by texastoo ((((((USA)))))((((((, USA))))))((((((. USA))))))))
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To: Mikey_1962

Ok, the problem here is he wasted the meat.
He should have been able to offer hunting priv’s to get them thinned out. Shooting them and leaving them to rot is simply wasteful.


95 posted on 07/28/2007 6:53:12 PM PDT by FunkyZero
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To: Mikey_1962

Because spraying enough stuff that would be effective would cost several orders of magnitude more than $30 in ammo - probably more than the cost of the damage.

To farmers (justifiably), deer are merely destructive pests. You wouldn’t object to killing 40 mice in your house, so why object to a farmer killing 40 deer in his fields? Mice are cute too!


96 posted on 07/28/2007 6:53:33 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: metmom

Do you know what Roundup Ready means?


97 posted on 07/28/2007 6:53:58 PM PDT by TDA2
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To: Mikey_1962

hhaaaa-haaaa-haaa-haaa-haaa
bad tasting stuff for the poor venison!!!
Why not declare open season and shoot the venison?
That will be some tasty eatin!!!
Better yet, they can be given to the needy to eat.
Win win situation.
Heck, I’ll even provide my own weapons and ammo if I can get in on the action.
Might even get to blast a few feral CATS while at it!!
Who-waa


98 posted on 07/28/2007 6:54:46 PM PDT by 9422WMR ("This will make parents, students, faculty and visitors FEEL SAFE on our campus")
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To: GinaLolaB

Please read the entire thread.


99 posted on 07/28/2007 6:54:54 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: GinaLolaB

If the deer ate thousands of dollars worth of landscaping, you might change your tune.


100 posted on 07/28/2007 6:57:02 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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