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Phoenix Man Dies After Cops Respond to Report of Young Girl's Exorcism
http://www.foxnews.com ^ | July 29,.2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 07/29/2007 10:00:52 PM PDT by nmh

PHOENIX — Officers responding to a report of an exorcism on a young girl found her grandfather choking her and used stun guns to subdue the man, who later died, authorities said Sunday.

The 3-year-old girl and her mother, who was also in the room during the struggle between 49-year-old Ronald Marquez and officers, were hospitalized, police said. Their condition was unavailable.

The relative who called police said an exorcism had also been attempted Thursday.

"The purpose was to release demons from this very young child," Sgt. Joel Tranter said.

Officers arrived at the house Saturday and entered when they heard screaming coming from a bedroom, Tranter said.

A bed had been pushed up against the door; the officers pushed it open a few inches and saw Marquez choking his bloodied granddaughter, who was crying in pain and gasping, Tranter said.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: crazy; demons; exorcism; toddler

1 posted on 07/29/2007 10:00:54 PM PDT by nmh
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To: nmh

Yesterday’s news. Hispanic family. No Catholic bashing, please. Just a crazy couple who should lose their child.


2 posted on 07/29/2007 10:03:59 PM PDT by whitedog57
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To: nmh

Some people sure have strange belief systems.

By the way, the last line of the story is a bit weird: “There was no phone listing at Ronald Marquez’s address.” What does that have to do with anything?


3 posted on 07/29/2007 10:07:00 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: whitedog57

Crazy has no particular denomination.


4 posted on 07/29/2007 10:09:15 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: nmh
"Officers responding to a report of an exorcism on a young girl found her grandfather choking her...."

Jesus was quite specific in these matters, that if at first you don't succeed, "much prayer and fasting" is in order. Not choking.

5 posted on 07/29/2007 10:14:02 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: El Sordo
"Crazy has no particular denomination."

Au contraire.

6 posted on 07/29/2007 10:15:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: whitedog57
"A bloody, naked 19-year-old woman who police later determined to be Marquez's daughter and the girl's mother was in the room, chanting "something that was religious in nature,"

This sounds neither Catholic or Protestant. Witchcraft, perhaps.

7 posted on 07/29/2007 10:18:49 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (Stop calling them "liberals," they're Bolsheviks!)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

Need pictures to make a final determination, y’know.


8 posted on 07/29/2007 10:22:02 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: nmh

Sounds like what that Continental stewardess wanted to do if she could have.


9 posted on 07/29/2007 10:22:05 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

You sure got THAT right!

hahaha!


10 posted on 07/29/2007 10:34:41 PM PDT by Snoitan5 ((When it rains, it pours.....))
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To: nmh
Their condition was unavailable

my condition is occasionally unavailable
11 posted on 07/29/2007 10:50:08 PM PDT by wafflehouse (When in danger, When in doubt, Run in circles, Scream and Shout!)
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To: RepublitarianRoger

That does seem strange, but maybe the reporters wanted to call the home and see if anybody there had any comment?


12 posted on 07/29/2007 10:50:13 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (FRED!)
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To: RepublitarianRoger

maybe they are implying “see, they were so crazy they didnt even have a phone”


13 posted on 07/29/2007 10:56:56 PM PDT by isom35
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To: RepublitarianRoger
[By the way, the last line of the story is a bit weird: “There was no phone listing at Ronald Marquez’s address.” What does that have to do with anything?]

Proper journalism requires that persons central to a story be contacted and offered the chance to be interviewed for their version of events, particularly if the story might leave a “bad impression” of said persons. If the journalist is unable to contact the person or if the person declines the interview then the proper news writing method is to briefly explain why. Typically, a story will end with something like, “As of 5pm today, efforts to contact Mr. Richard Hedd were unsuccessful and numerous messages from Channel69News left on both his home and office answering machines requesting an interview were unreturned.”

I would guess that the reporter of this story is explaining the lack of interview information from that principal person by the fact that there is no phone listed for that address.

14 posted on 07/29/2007 10:57:14 PM PDT by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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To: Theresawithanh
That does seem strange, but maybe the reporters wanted to call the home and see if anybody there had any comment?

Exactly. That line was not there to give readers important detail for the story. It was there so the editor would not ask (demand), "Did you call the family for comment?"

15 posted on 07/29/2007 11:30:26 PM PDT by irv
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To: nmh

I don’t suppose the kid was named ‘Damian’??


16 posted on 07/30/2007 12:56:22 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; Calpernia

Ping.


17 posted on 07/30/2007 1:33:11 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( Today is a good day for working on some heavy praying. The world needs God to hear them.)
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To: whitedog57

“No Catholic bashing, please.”

Not needed, but I do notice all the self crucifixtions around Easter. There are also groups of people “scourging” themselves in order to experiance the “agony of Christ.” Thankfully, it does not seem to happen very often in first world countries though.


18 posted on 07/30/2007 1:40:40 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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To: nmh

Isn’t exorcism still in the Catholic tool box?


19 posted on 07/30/2007 2:29:47 AM PDT by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mark was here

“Isn’t exorcism still in the Catholic tool box?”

Although I can’t say how true it is, here is an interesting article on the subject.

Excerpt:
“WARNING: Only Catholic priests who are both legally and morally ordained and are faithful to the teachings of Sacred Scripture, as validly understood through the legitimate moral authority of the Church, and who remain spiritually sound should attempt an exorcism. Devils are powerful beings and can be extremely harmful to the unqualified.”


20 posted on 07/30/2007 2:48:17 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Mark was here

Oops! Forgot the link.

http://www.trosch.org/chu/exorcism.htm


21 posted on 07/30/2007 2:50:39 AM PDT by Mila
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To: Mark was here
1673 When the Church asks publicly and authoritatively in the name of Jesus Christ that a person or object be protected against the power of the Evil One and withdrawn from his dominion, it is called exorcism. Jesus performed exorcisms and from him the Church has received the power and office of exorcizing.176 In a simple form, exorcism is performed at the celebration of Baptism. the solemn exorcism, called "a major exorcism," can be performed only by a priest and with the permission of the bishop. the priest must proceed with prudence, strictly observing the rules established by the Church. Exorcism is directed at the expulsion of demons or to the liberation from demonic possession through the spiritual authority which Jesus entrusted to his Church. Illness, especially psychological illness, is a very different matter; treating this is the concern of medical science. Therefore, before an exorcism is performed, it is important to ascertain that one is dealing with the presence of the Evil One, and not an illness.177

176 Cf. Mk 1:25-26; 3:15; 6:7, 13; 16:17.

177 Cf. [link] CIC, can. 1172.

22 posted on 07/30/2007 3:56:05 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: spinestein

Yes, I figured that the reporter was trying to say, “The Marquez’s were unavailable for comment.” It was just a weird, non sequitur way to say it.


23 posted on 07/30/2007 6:17:26 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: nmh

This sounds like a Voodoo rite.


24 posted on 07/30/2007 6:21:13 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (If you want to be lied to ,turn on your TV!)
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To: oprahstheantichrist

“Jesus was quite specific in these matters, that if at first you don’t succeed, “much prayer and fasting” is in order. Not choking.”

Yes, that is what Christians are supposed to do.
If folks would read the Bible they’d know this ... .


25 posted on 07/30/2007 7:51:10 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: whitedog57

I’ve read that the rite of exorcism, in some form, existed prior to the formation of the Catholic Church. Evidently that ritual was modified and integrated into the church.

Weird, huh?


26 posted on 07/30/2007 8:02:25 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: whitedog57; El Sordo; fieldmarshaldj; oprahstheantichrist; Bogtrotter52; Mark was here; Mila; ...
Yesterday’s news. Hispanic family. No Catholic bashing, please. Just a crazy couple who should lose their child.

C'mon, it's not like (politically active)Republican White Anglo Saxon Protestants would EVER do anything this crazy...

Wait...What was that...oh... never mind ..

Florida Politician Performs Exorcism On 'Possessed' Daughter

... Zealotry and Fanaticism of ALL types is dangerous...

28 posted on 07/30/2007 8:21:05 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX
“Investigators said the couple admitted they tried to exorcise the demons out of their daughter by pouring olive oil on her while they held her hands behind her back on June 27. “

That’s a far cry from choking a little three year old nearly to death with the mother naked and covered in blood. This other girl was 18 years old and it didn’t say they were “Protestant”. You might want to read your own link. Exorcism is a long standing Catholic maneuver.

You show your true colors on this one ... A Catholic hating Protestants and looking to get even isn’t becoming even for you.

You may also want to dust off your Bible and read about anointing oil and when it is appropriate.

29 posted on 07/30/2007 8:31:28 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“1673 When the Church asks publicly and authoritatively in the name of Jesus Christ that a person or object be protected against the power of the Evil One and withdrawn from his dominion, it is called exorcism. Jesus performed exorcisms and from him the Church has received the power and office of exorcizing.176 In a simple form, exorcism is performed at the celebration of Baptism. the solemn exorcism, called “a major exorcism,” can be performed only by a priest and with the permission of the bishop. the priest must proceed with prudence, strictly observing the rules established by the Church. Exorcism is directed at the expulsion of demons or to the liberation from demonic possession through the spiritual authority which Jesus entrusted to his Church. Illness, especially psychological illness, is a very different matter; treating this is the concern of medical science. Therefore, before an exorcism is performed, it is important to ascertain that one is dealing with the presence of the Evil One, and not an illness.177
176 Cf. Mk 1:25-26; 3:15; 6:7, 13; 16:17.

177 Cf. [link] CIC, can. 1172.”

I’ve always been curious ... where is that in the Bible? Where are the instructions that you priests use in the Bible? Christ did it but He didn’t do it the say way Catholics do ... .


30 posted on 07/30/2007 8:33:47 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“1673 When the Church asks publicly and authoritatively in the name of Jesus Christ that a person or object be protected against the power of the Evil One and withdrawn from his dominion, it is called exorcism. Jesus performed exorcisms and from him the Church has received the power and office of exorcizing.176 In a simple form, exorcism is performed at the celebration of Baptism. the solemn exorcism, called “a major exorcism,” can be performed only by a priest and with the permission of the bishop. the priest must proceed with prudence, strictly observing the rules established by the Church. Exorcism is directed at the expulsion of demons or to the liberation from demonic possession through the spiritual authority which Jesus entrusted to his Church. Illness, especially psychological illness, is a very different matter; treating this is the concern of medical science. Therefore, before an exorcism is performed, it is important to ascertain that one is dealing with the presence of the Evil One, and not an illness.177
176 Cf. Mk 1:25-26; 3:15; 6:7, 13; 16:17.

177 Cf. [link] CIC, can. 1172.”

I’ve always been curious ... where is that, excorcism, in the Bible? Where are the instructions that you priests use in the Bible? Christ did it but He didn’t do it the say way Catholics do ... .


31 posted on 07/30/2007 8:34:16 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh

If they don’t pay the exorcist bill, do they get repossessed?


32 posted on 07/30/2007 8:40:09 AM PDT by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: nmh

Actually I am far from Catholic ....

and you may want to read the article and posts further ... they were Physically restraining the daughter (to the point where her clothes were torn and bruising was evident) ... the pastor quoted in the article (and the church they attend) is a Pentacostal (Protestant) ... this father would also drag his naked teen daughter out of the shower.. and force her to confess her ‘sins’ in graphic detail after she returned from dates ....

I am not anti-Protestant, anti-Catholic or anti-(insert faith here)...

I am Anti-Zealot... (they are crazy and scary, but often entertaining) ...

the way you worded your response to me w/ incorrect assumptions defintely show a certain predjiduce on your part I must say ...

as far as Protestant Exorcism .. I assume you have never heard of:

Bob Larson
J.F. Cogan
Bob Vaughn
Rex W. Rosenberg
Benny Hin
Earnest Angley
... and others...


33 posted on 07/30/2007 8:52:22 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX

I wasn’t the one that listed THAT link.

It’s simply not Christian!

The motivation behind the posting of THAT link was also far from “Christian”.


34 posted on 07/30/2007 11:04:35 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Rennes Templar

Who knows!

Propably another sick money maker ... .


35 posted on 07/30/2007 11:05:14 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: JackRyanCIA

She should be ... covered in blood ... GEESH!

SICK people ... .


36 posted on 07/30/2007 11:06:10 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: dead

I tried to release demons from a Chi Omega once.


37 posted on 07/30/2007 11:07:06 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: RepublitarianRoger

Competency among journalists has been declining steadily in recent years.


38 posted on 07/30/2007 12:30:23 PM PDT by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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To: AppyPappy
I tried to release demons from a Chi Omega once.

I assume it involved considerable laying on of hands.

39 posted on 07/30/2007 12:38:58 PM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: SubGeniusX

I’ve heard of Benny Hill. Does that count ?


40 posted on 07/31/2007 5:04:46 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: AppyPappy

Were you successful, or did the bats stay in the cave ?


41 posted on 07/31/2007 5:06:05 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Rennes Templar

“If they don’t pay the exorcist bill, do they get repossessed?”

A rim shot please.


42 posted on 07/31/2007 5:11:04 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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