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Homemade Dog Food - Need Freeper recipes

Posted on 10/02/2007 6:51:50 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

We've finally had it with itchy dogs. I think it's their food. We've tried several brands though, dogs still itchy. I don't think they have fleas. They're all on Advantage and we don't see any evidence of fleas.

Add to that all the issues with recalled products from China, and we're ready to try making dog food at home.

We'd like recipes that you've used, along with portion advice. We're currently feeding our two 80-90 pound dogs a cup of dry kibble twice daily and our 45 pound beagle a half a cup of dry kibble twice daily.

My initial thoughts were to use ground beef and rice but I'm not sure on the percentages. If that went well and the itching stopped, then we'd start adding ingredients like vegetables, one ingredient at a time.

We'd like to make it up in big batches and freeze portion sized amounts we can take out each day. That seems more doable than making it up daily.


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Thoughts on home-made dog food? I know this came up during the China recalls, and many of you have experiences to share.
1 posted on 10/02/2007 6:51:52 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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2 posted on 10/02/2007 6:53:27 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Bookmarking - I’d like some recipes too.


3 posted on 10/02/2007 6:56:55 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Why worry yourself over making it “dog food”? Just cook up whatever you wish of “people food” and give it to them. Sure, start with one ingredient and add others until you find the problem.

On the other hand, you might want to check if they are itching because of bug bites or poison ivy. We’ve had a very wet summer and the mesquitoes are worse than they’ve ever been. We also have many more other bugs this year too. Surprisingly, not fleas. You might also check your yard to make sure they aren’t getting into some sort of poisonous plant that they’re allergic to. There are other things than food that will make them itch, perhaps even the shampoo you’re using on them.


4 posted on 10/02/2007 6:57:52 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Get Dr Ian Billinghurst’s books. They are a good primer on fresh food for dogs or cats, for that matter. Here’s a link to a list of books you might try:

http://www.dogwise.com/Browse/SubCatList.cfm?SubCat=Natural%20Health%20and%20Nutrition


5 posted on 10/02/2007 6:58:55 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: HairOfTheDog
Subscribe to the Whole Dog Journal. An online scrip entitles you to back issues, and you can search for food articles. They also have an annual dog food review. You can subscribe on line and get the print edition by mail as part of the deal. It's already pre-punched for a looseleaf notebook.

My vet recommended this newsletter, and I've been very pleased with it. It deals with other issues such as training, activities, etc., but there's always an article or two about BARF diet, making foods at home, etc. Lots of recipes and stuff.

6 posted on 10/02/2007 7:02:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: HairOfTheDog
I can’t advise you on food allergies but I would recommend looking at your dogs’ environment.

Do you wash your dogs bedding frequently? If so try a fragrance free detergent and softener.

Do you use insecticides or herbicides around your home? If so try to not use it around your dogs’ bedding and keep your dog away from those areas.

If you have purebreds contact breeders of those dogs to see if there are specific allergies common for the breed.

7 posted on 10/02/2007 7:03:52 AM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Good idea. We have one itchy dog out of 4 and I have them all on a very expensive dry food that has no corn, in case that is the problem. We go to the doggie allergist and she gets 2 injections of antigens a week just so that we can live with her but she still itches.

I would also like a recipe for dog treats if anyone has one.

8 posted on 10/02/2007 7:04:48 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: mtbopfuyn
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9 posted on 10/02/2007 7:08:30 AM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: HairOfTheDog

Forget playing with homemade stuff now. You may need to find out the essentials. Waste of time and effort if the problem is the type of proteins you’re getting.

My dog is majorly allergic, including foods. She is VEGETARIAN, because she is allergic to ANIMAL PROTEIN, period. She is a case where simply changing from processed dry to homemade beef or lamb would NOT help (in fact, probably make it worse).

Even if dogs aren’t allergic to all animal protein, they can be allergic to specific types. That is why there is not only “lamb” available, but duck, venison, etc.

We tried these, too, after seeing Tara get better on vegetarian, 1st. Unfortunately, she got worse again so is sticking to vegetarian. But some dogs should be fine with certain particular animal proteins.

Another possibility is that many dogs suffer a bit from corn allergy - and many processed foods employ corn meal. Ensure you go away from corn meal - there ARE processed foods (such as mine) that don’t use corn at all.

My vet brand is IVD - currently owned by Royal Canin. Unfortunately, you can only get it through certain vets, or order it from Canada.

BTW, my dog LOVES the IVD vegetarian; once had to try her on Natural Recipe veg because IVD ran out, and she didn’t like it much (smelled like clay to me). But she’d eat IVD right up.


10 posted on 10/02/2007 7:11:00 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

When I adopted an Australian Cattle Dog several years ago it seemed that he would never stop itching. He had no fleas, but the vet said he had dry skin and recommended a fish oil tablet. Worked like a charm.

I’ve since switched him to Eukanuba adult lamb and rice which has oil in it and he seems to be doing well on that without the tablets.

Good luck!


11 posted on 10/02/2007 7:13:09 AM PDT by Vermonter
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To: mtbopfuyn

Well, what we’re eating isn’t always appropriate for dogs. For breakfast we usually have cereal and toast. I’m not sure that’s a workable plan for three large dogs.

I don’t think it’s bugs, I don’t think it’s contact allergies. It’s licking and localized itching mostly on the spine and base of tail. The vet advises that Thyroid issues can do this, and one dog is on a thyroid med, but that’s not the case with the other one. I do think it’s a food allergy, the vet advises too that it’s probably a food allergy. They actually seem to finish eating and immediately want to lick and scratch. It’s driving us nuts.


12 posted on 10/02/2007 7:13:43 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: mtbopfuyn

I would agree it’s not necessarily food. In fact, food allergies are a small % of all the allergies dogs suffer. About 10%.

Perhaps they’ve gained some inhalent allergies - atopic dermatitis.

My dog is allergic to numerous inhalents - dust, molds, ants, moths, etc. You name it, she has it (except most “outdoor” type allergens, thank God at least). Inhalents are the most common allergens for dogs and cats.


13 posted on 10/02/2007 7:15:08 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Well, I understand the high price of beef but I still don’t approve of what you are doing. Nevertheless, first you have to fillet the dog. This can be difficult since dogs don’t like having this done and they have sharp teeth.
14 posted on 10/02/2007 7:15:10 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Colorado Doug

;-D


15 posted on 10/02/2007 7:15:57 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm not sure if this is the case with your fur babies, but I can offer the following insight regarding some dog skin afflictions. German Shepherds, and a few other breeds, for some reason, tend to a very alkaline skin environment, which is more conducive to the growth of troublesome microbes. At bath time, I add about 1/2 cup of lemon juice or vinegar to each 2 gallons of water. It not only helps lower the ph of their skin and fur, but it also makes them smell fresh and clean, and they don't seem to mind it whatsoever. Although my younger guy has never really had problems with his skin, my older guy (who passed away in July) had some real problems with allergies years back when we moved from Pennsylvania to Louisiana.

Oily, fatty foods seemed to give him a good deal of relief. When I would open a can of tuna, I'd drain the packing water or oil on their dry food, and perhaps weekly I'd cook them up an egg and cheese omelet. At the vet's recommendation, a little Benadryl helped when the allergies got real bad.

Another daily treat my boys are fond of is a large milk bone, wrapped with a slice of American Cheese (I mold it around the bone like clay) and then wrap that with a slice of bologna, or ham or turky. I suspect it somewhat primally replicates the texture of chomping on skin, flesh and bone, and they really seem to enjoy it.

16 posted on 10/02/2007 7:16:11 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Get a blender.

Set it to puree.

Insert one former Atlanta Falcons Quarterback.

17 posted on 10/02/2007 7:17:00 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: Colorado Doug

Oh! You meant food FOR your dog. Nevermind . . .


18 posted on 10/02/2007 7:17:13 AM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Anal area - sign of any allergy such as inhalent or food. Food is rarer.

Look next for muzzle area and ears, and the feet.


19 posted on 10/02/2007 7:18:23 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
My dog is majorly allergic, including foods. She is VEGETARIAN, because she is allergic to ANIMAL PROTEIN, period. She is a case where simply changing from processed dry to homemade beef or lamb would NOT help (in fact, probably make it worse). Even if dogs aren’t allergic to all animal protein, they can be allergic to specific types. That is why there is not only “lamb” available, but duck, venison, etc.

We've seen all the "duck and potato" foods but I feel like in trying other foods we're just changing too many variables with each test. We'll never figure out which thing it is or was. That's why we wanted to get down the the simplest diet and see, whether it's rice and beef, chicken, turkey, eggs, whatever. And then add to that one thing at a time. I want to be rid of the ingredient lists full of who knows what additive.

20 posted on 10/02/2007 7:19:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Anal area - sign of any allergy such as inhalent or food. Food is rarer. Look next for muzzle area and ears, and the feet.

Not so much the butt but the lower back, and one does also lick his feet.

21 posted on 10/02/2007 7:21:30 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

“Thoughts on home-made dog food?”

Register Giget and Homer at the board of elections and put them on food stamps.


22 posted on 10/02/2007 7:21:36 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (Reunite Gondwanaland!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Not so much the butt but the lower back, and one does also lick his feet.

Followup.... The one who licks his back and feet also is allergic to plastic, His face breaks out if we use plastic bowls, so we now only use stainless steel.

23 posted on 10/02/2007 7:22:51 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

My dogs are omnivores....

If your dogs are itching it could be a vitamin E deficiency..

You need to take a couple of factors into consideration..Volume and nutrition

Taz’s pretty good dog food
Chicken thighs...about 5 lb’s
Garbanzo beans about 2 lbs.
Brown rice
2lbs of frozen mixed vegs.

day one.
Simmer the chicken thighs in water until falling off the bone. Refrigerate overnight
Soak the garbanzo beans in water...Need about 3 times the water as beans.

Day 2..
Defat the chicken broth..Pick the meat and discard the skin.
Too much fat in a dogs diet can lead to pancreatitis and significant vet bills.
Drain the garbanzo’s and add to the chicken broth and simmer about 2 hours.
In the last 30 minutes stir in about 1 lb of brown rice and the mixed vegs...

Makes about 5 gallons.

Makes about a 1 month supply of 2-2 1/2 cups a day.

Can supplement with a vit e cap and a doggie mineral mvi daily.

My Labs love it...Freezes well.

I thaw in the refrigerator about 2-3 days in advance...


24 posted on 10/02/2007 7:24:20 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Those foods are actually quite simple, though. And you need to try them AT LEAST a month each. Doesn’t matter what kind of food you’re talking about - a month on just that food, even if it’s “just real steak”. It’s time-consuming, period. For most allergic dogs, it doesn’t happen overnight.

Of course, that’s if the dog is allergic to anything catastrohic (dust, anyone?). You can also check into “bug” allergies from when they are bitten by fleas, mosquitoes, etc.

But you may have other things going on that aren’t allergies. Just sounds like it could be.


25 posted on 10/02/2007 7:24:36 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Oops, meant to say, register them as democrats.


26 posted on 10/02/2007 7:24:43 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (Reunite Gondwanaland!)
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To: N. Theknow
Get a blender. Set it to puree. Insert one former Atlanta Falcons Quarterback.

I'm gonna need a bigger freezer.

27 posted on 10/02/2007 7:24:49 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: davidlachnicht

Handsome boy...


28 posted on 10/02/2007 7:25:43 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

~chuckling~


29 posted on 10/02/2007 7:25:43 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

2 cups of dry dog food for 80-90 lb. dogs? Maybe starvation is your real problem?


30 posted on 10/02/2007 7:26:32 AM PDT by subterfuge (It's GREAT, to be, a Florida Gator!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
But you may have other things going on that aren’t allergies. Just sounds like it could be.

And the same solution may not work for all three. It'd just be nice if it was something simple.

31 posted on 10/02/2007 7:27:43 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

You said “base of tail”, so I thought anal area. Tara sometimes goes after her underside base of tail.

My dog this year has progressed to getting spinal itchiness. Originally, it was because of a massive staph infection (the real danger of allergies). Right now it’s alot of dandruff. We go to the Derm this week so we’ll see if he thinks she’s infected again (I think so - too many circular red sores popping up everywhere to just be simple irritations).

Let’s just say Tara is a mess and gets itchy everywhere, even if it’s not visible! She is probably the extreme of bad allergies.

Does he lick inside his paw pads? Or just on the top? They can itch anywhere on the foot, but the worst shows up in the pads.


32 posted on 10/02/2007 7:29:50 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: subterfuge
2 cups of dry dog food for 80-90 lb. dogs? Maybe starvation is your real problem?

Naw... It's good quality food. One is at perfect weight, and two are on the plump side.

33 posted on 10/02/2007 7:30:20 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

Exactly. But, OTOH, if they all seem to be manifesting at the same time...did you notice them all starting this the same time?


34 posted on 10/02/2007 7:30:54 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Homer, the spine licker also licks the bottoms of his feet.

Barkley, the other lower back licker (the thyroid dog) doesn’t lick anywhere else.

Gidget licks the top of her feet and has frequent yeast infections in her nether regions.


35 posted on 10/02/2007 7:33:06 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Exactly. But, OTOH, if they all seem to be manifesting at the same time...did you notice them all starting this the same time?

Not sure how to answer this. Barkley, the rescue beagle, we haven't had that long. He just showed up.

Homer (Lab pointer mix) has always been a little itchy at times, Gidget (Dal-brador) has always tended to lick the tops of her feet, but with both of them, they tend to do it most when we leave them alone, and we suspect it's half anxiety and neurosis. Of course, it's also possible that's the only time they can do it without us Psssting them about it. Lately they've been doing it in the night and it's making us nuts listening to it and Psssting them.

36 posted on 10/02/2007 7:39:32 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: subterfuge
2 cups of dry dog food for 80-90 lb. dogs? Maybe starvation is your real problem?

Yeah, I wondered about that too. My 40 lb terrier and 70 lb newfie go through two 3 lb. margarine tubs of dry food a day plus a milk bone or raw hide each and various other little nibbles they can beg off us.

37 posted on 10/02/2007 7:42:10 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Thanks Tas.... That sounds like quite a project to make! :~\


38 posted on 10/02/2007 7:43:01 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

After reading this thread, I will never complain about feeding my 5 lb Yorkie. With the crickets moving indoors, he’ll have plenty to eat.


39 posted on 10/02/2007 7:50:37 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Sounds like a lot of work but it’s really just in the background...Simmering doesn’t require a lot of attention.

I discovered the joys of ethnic groceries.

You can buy brown rice and garbanzo beans for a pittance in an Indian grocery compared to a US one...You can also buy in volume...

For about 6 bucks you can make a month of dog food.

You have chicken...which is more for flavor than anything..

You make a complete protein with a bean and a grain...Vegetarian 101.

Vitamins with the veggies..

Make it once a month...Freezer is essential...

40 posted on 10/02/2007 7:52:37 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

I changed my itchy smelly dog to Canadie and started detoxing. It takes about a month for each year of your dogs age. I used Nzymes and dinovite. Google their sights and I can vouch for the before and after pics. My pooch lost fur and looked horrible before she got better.
I also use a blue ear solution for her ears. First time in seven years she’s stopped smelling. In the blue ear solution I used witchhazel instead of the alcohol.
No smell, flaking, or shedding. No more prednizone for itchig or antibiotics for infected ears or infection from scratching.
Do your dogs feet smell like fritos:)


41 posted on 10/02/2007 7:53:08 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: mtbopfuyn; subterfuge
2 cups of dry dog food for 80-90 lb. dogs? Maybe starvation is your real problem?

Yeah, I wondered about that too. My 40 lb terrier and 70 lb newfie go through two 3 lb. margarine tubs of dry food a day plus a milk bone or raw hide each and various other little nibbles they can beg off us.

I promise you, they are not too thin. :~)

Recent picture of Gidget at the beach:

And Barkley the beagle and Homer at home:


42 posted on 10/02/2007 7:53:30 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: TASMANIANRED

Well, great tips... Worth considering if we want to go in search of Garbanzo beans. Beans are an interesting idea... I hadn’t considered beans. Any particular reason you settled on Garbanzo beans?

Do you freeze it in a big container or in portions?


43 posted on 10/02/2007 7:56:31 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: sunny48
Do your dogs feet smell like fritos:)

I don't know, I haven't smelled em, LOL!

What is Canadie?

44 posted on 10/02/2007 7:58:07 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

two pounds ground beef ,cooked (or cheaper horse meat)
four cups rice,cooked
two - four cooked carrots,sliced thin or shaved
one half cup olive oil

PRESTO.... Rover yummy !

as options you can add potatoes, apple bits, peas, or a different type of meat. Our dogs love deer meat (venison) if you can get it cheap.(or free!!) Just be sure to cook it fully.


45 posted on 10/02/2007 8:04:30 AM PDT by ulm1 ("democrat" originated as an epithet "'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses")
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To: HairOfTheDog

Hey I never doubted you HOTD. My older Chow eats two cans of food per day and she’d probably eat more if I gave it to her. She only weights 30 lbs.

Happy FReeping!


46 posted on 10/02/2007 8:04:58 AM PDT by subterfuge (It's GREAT, to be, a Florida Gator!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

We’d like recipes that you’ve used, along with portion advice. We’re currently feeding our two 80-90 pound dogs a cup of dry kibble twice daily and our 45 pound beagle a half a cup of dry kibble twice daily. <<<<<<<<<<

Our vet recommends 4-5 cups daily for a normal weight 75 lb dog. If overweight, reduce by 20%. (one cup)


47 posted on 10/02/2007 8:06:45 AM PDT by ulm1 ("democrat" originated as an epithet "'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses")
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To: ulm1

That sounds like a simple recipe we can do.... though we will NOT be feeding the horses to the dogs. :~\

The proportions are what I’m not sure on. About two parts rice to one part meat?


48 posted on 10/02/2007 8:07:54 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: sunny48

Essential oils (fish oil) is also important. My pups eat a lot of salmon, mackerel, and tuna in oil.
At one time I noticed a reaction to eggs, so she no longer gets anything with chicken. No eggs, chicken livers, and read the ingredients.
If anyone is in the Dallas area, Metropet delvers right to the door.
My hound dog looks a lot like Homer.


49 posted on 10/02/2007 8:08:26 AM PDT by sunny48
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To: HairOfTheDog
Thoughts on home-made dog food?

If you've got pit bulls, I'm sure your neighbors will do nicely.... ;-)

50 posted on 10/02/2007 8:08:40 AM PDT by r9etb
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