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Anna Nicole Smith, Seeking Justice #4

Posted on 10/13/2007 6:14:00 PM PDT by fatima

Anna Nicole Smith, Seeking Justice #4

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To: fatima

Happy belated birthday! You’re just a young chick. Try 75 next month. My best friend of 62 years just turned 75 on Feb 12th, Lincoln’s birthday. I was born on the day he was shot on a street named Lincoln.

5,251 posted on 03/07/2008 7:58:48 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey

Sounds like a best friend to me.Your still young kid:)Best friend born on Lincoln,born on shot day,lived on Lincoln street.Heeeheee Bet you get into trouble together.(((((Hugs))))

5,252 posted on 03/07/2008 8:06:35 PM PST by fatima
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To: fatima
Sometimes we got into a little trouble, but I don't recall that we were together at the time. I wasn't with her the night some kids tried to teach her to drive and she side-swiped five parked cars.

I always said that the world is fortunate that she doesn't drive.

5,253 posted on 03/07/2008 8:20:44 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey

How did I know:)((((Hugs))))

5,254 posted on 03/07/2008 8:29:47 PM PST by fatima
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To: fatima

Dear one, I’ve gotta go to bed. You sleep tight.

5,255 posted on 03/07/2008 8:30:41 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey

Night Beautiful,Love you much,Fatima

5,256 posted on 03/07/2008 8:32:52 PM PST by fatima
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To: lakey

My mom got the car stuck it the garage when she was young and went crying to my dad. He laughed.

When I drove with her, I always laid down in the back seat “so I couldn’t see” and prayed.

5,257 posted on 03/08/2008 6:49:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau
That's funny and just the opposite of me. My mother did a 360 degree turn in the middle of an icy intersection and I told her, "Oh, do that again!"

My husband warned me to never put a scratch on our new 1956 Ford red and white convertible. One night, he had to move it to allow guests to leave and when he pulled back to the garage, he hit the right side of the garage. Smashed in the right door, which also broke the window - and damaged the door frame and stucco.

One too many beers, and I never let him forget it.

5,258 posted on 03/08/2008 7:47:04 PM PST by lakey
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To: fatima
My friend called today and I told her of us chatting about birth dates. For some reason, though, I forgot to tell her that I "ratted" on her hitting all those parked cars.

Not only doesn't she drive, she doesn't "do" computers since she retired. I think she'd have fun but she doesn't want the frustration.

Well, it's that time again. Good-night, dear heart.

5,259 posted on 03/08/2008 8:08:22 PM PST by lakey
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To: lakey

cute story! made me smile :)

5,260 posted on 03/11/2008 1:47:53 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: Sacajaweau

I agree with the review of Willa Ford’s movie, by Showbiz tonite panel - the capitalization off of a baby and her dead drug addict mother and dead brother is deplorable and ‘disgusting’. One gal was right to ask, ‘who is this nasser productions yeah right’ (paraphrasing)

It’s true that some [real] stars sell pictures of their children to the rags, but those [real] stars then donate ALL the money to a charity, usually in their child’s name. They don’t pocket the money, or use the money for living expenses or holidays or instead of getting a job, like those around DL are allegedly doing.

Virgie Arthur was spot-on wanting to have some over-sight and say-so in the out-of-control cashing-in of so many parties from her daughter. Right now, it shows no signs of letting up - much to DL’s future detriment, imo.

5,261 posted on 03/11/2008 2:20:59 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: All


My computer is still messed up with eternal popups and viruses and hijackers and downloaders and trojan horses and parasites and on and on, which are resistant to all erasure means tried (and many, many have been!) - geek doctor has pronounced it dead.

Can’t use the other two my dear FReeper FRiends sent to me - but I’m working on trying to get one of them up and running - it doesn’t work with my very old monitor and the laptop doesn’t work with my phone dial-up!

Hoping to be able to get a new (to me) monitor of some kind - but it’s all too late for the inquest deadline on the Case Name List revision.

What’s anAnna poster to do?

Still here in spirit. {{{Huggss}}} to ALL!

5,263 posted on 03/12/2008 7:05:46 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
Hope things work out. I know hardly anything about computers except that things can go really wrong with them.

I've been busy trying to get mold spots out of clothes. Because of lack of space, I had to store them in the basement and now some have black spots that nothing seems to remove.

Spitzer's moving around money made me think of those checks from Dr. E. and hubby to Howie. There might be more of this kind of activity. If the Feds caught a big fish like Spitzer, surely they can bounce on a worm like Howie.

5,264 posted on 03/13/2008 3:04:18 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: blueplum

I agree.
Dr. Perper was yesterday or day befor again on Nancy Grace show. I cannot understand why have him, but nothing about Anna Nicole or Daniel.

5,265 posted on 03/13/2008 3:37:22 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Rte66
Random comment: A lawyer thought it was odd that Dannielynn was declared the sole heir to Anna Nicole's estate since she had specifically named Daniel. At least part should have gone to Daniel's father. A will is a will and not to be interpreted as to “what Anna Nicole might actually have wanted.”
5,266 posted on 03/13/2008 3:45:02 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: apocalypto

I don’t get it, either. I’m in a bind here because all I have is this one FR browser window that works, all my Windows buttons are gone - so I don’t have access to my Word docs or notes and I also can’t go to any other websites.

It’s crazy, because the browser was the one thing that wasn’t working properly all this time - then the “thing” erased everything else (just for each session, after I post).

When I reboot, all the barrage starts all over again, so it’s peaceful while all the Windows controls are gone - except that I can’t DO anything except read here and fortunately, post occasionally, if it lets me.

I can’t even go back to see what was posted earlier about what the judge said to justify this ruling. LB is certainly not going to speak up, and I assume everyone else is “afraid” of the “no contesting the will” clause - EXCEPT, of course, the one who benefits - HKS.

Wonder when we’ll get a picture of what the Bahamas probate is going to include. I just can’t see how there is anything in her estate to be crowing about, that’s for sure.

5,267 posted on 03/13/2008 7:35:11 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Do you know anyone proficient with computer? Could you ask those on Fr’s computer thread???

5,268 posted on 03/14/2008 11:31:04 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: apocalypto

Thanks to a generous FReeper, I already had a geek-on-call come out a couple of days ago and try to fix it. He couldn’t and said it’s really not fixable - that wiping it and putting XP back on it won’t really help, as it’s too old and underpowered to run it.

I guess I got lucky that I was able to use it so well for almost 4 years without probs until last Aug (clicked an FR link to a wrestling mag about the Benoit murders and everything has been screwed up ever since).

I had done everything already that the geek did - but after all this time of it not being completely free of the virus, it had corrupted some important files that just can’t be corrected.

As it was, this was a “free” puter that had been a loaner while my regular computer was in the shop for an upgrade and new modem - then that shop went out of business without finishing fixing my old one and told me to keep the loaner. I do have the old one, but it’s still unusable.

I’m just too poor to do anything about anything! All I really need is a newer monitor to go with the newer puter I do have - all of these are thanks to dear ANS thread FReepers! Thank you! It will work out soon - just not in time for my List update before the inquest. (Unless, of course ...)

5,269 posted on 03/14/2008 11:48:00 AM PDT by Rte66
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To: JusticeDenied

QV has a new article up about McCabe including HKS’s bloggers. INcluding TMZ and Art Harris! It’s a great day for Virgie.

5,270 posted on 03/14/2008 5:40:02 PM PDT by JusticeDenied
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To: JusticeDenied

oh and Bonnie Stern....LOL

5,271 posted on 03/14/2008 5:43:21 PM PDT by JusticeDenied
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To: Rte66

Maybe if you did a reformat that would help. Call the maker and they can walk you through it, I had to do one and it takes the computer back to the day you bought it, you will lose everything but it really works. Hope that helped.

5,272 posted on 03/14/2008 5:46:45 PM PDT by JusticeDenied
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To: JusticeDenied

The expert said it would be useless, because this puter (which I didn’t get new - it was someone else’s work computer long before it was mine) just doesn’t have enough oomph or memory to support all the needed firewalls and defense stuff required by XP in today’s spyware and virus environment.

Thanks for the suggestion - I asked about doing it, but that’s the answer I got! Since I have the other newer computer, but it isn’t compatible with my very old monitor, I just need to get a new monitor - but no money for it or way to get one.

5,273 posted on 03/14/2008 5:54:21 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66

Sorry to hear that Rett. Do you have a computer parts store in your town? Maybe you can pick one up pretty cheap. Hopefully you can get this resolved so you can keep on blogging. lol

5,274 posted on 03/14/2008 6:27:38 PM PDT by JusticeDenied
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To: JusticeDenied

Oh, I live in a big city (perhaps yours) but not near any computer or discount stores - and don’t have a car anymore and am too sick to do much of anything. *No money* to order or buy a monitor. A FReeper FRiend is trying to help out with it, tho - thanks!

5,275 posted on 03/14/2008 6:55:43 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: gopheraj


5,276 posted on 03/15/2008 2:25:26 PM PDT by gopheraj
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To: gopheraj


5,277 posted on 03/15/2008 2:36:59 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (An "Inconvenient Truth".....Save the Earth... it's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: JusticeDenied

This thread was hard to find suddenly. It failed to come up in “search.” I finally located it by going through my post after post.

5,278 posted on 03/15/2008 3:08:20 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Jane Austen

Try putting in the words

anna justice


anna seeking

then use the drop-down box for “archive” instead of “quick” and the drop-downs for “match all words” and “sort by post time” - it will come up near the top, but not the top.

There is another way, using google, but my puter is still messed up and I can’t google now to tell you in detail exactly how to do it.

It’s in “advanced search” and you can specify “” as the domain, then try whatever you’re looking for as the search terms - something relatively unique and recent, such as “anna nicole” and “inquest” and “march” or something like that.

5,279 posted on 03/16/2008 3:44:40 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66
THX. It used to be easy. All I did was type in Anna Nicole into the search and there it was the forth or fifth one listed.

Hope your computer gets fixed soon. I used to lurk at another site (claims to be conservative, is mostly boooring, most comments sound like computer generated, nothing allowed about Anna Nicole). But every time I went on that site, my computer did not work right.

5,280 posted on 03/16/2008 3:53:12 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Jane Austen

Well, I’m not positive, but I *think* the “quick” search is for threads started most recently, but not sure of the cut-off point - it may be the past 2-3 months or so - like 60-90 days. A lot of the newspaper online archives are like that.

This thread was started so long ago (6 months), that it’s considered “archived” - so that’s the first qualification that we would probably overlook, because it’s still currently active.

I know what you mean about other sites, since I’ve been confined to here at FR with the virus stuff attacking constantly. If I clear everything, reboot, and know when I get online that I will get kicked off at some point and am prepared for that eventuality, I can *try* to look at TMZ, but haven’t been able to in several weeks - it always shuts down my browser.

That’s the only other one I’ve tried, and even that was screwed up, as is google - the virus puts in search terms that I didn’t type!

I feel like I’m in computer “handcuffs” or something! Can’t wait to get on the “newer” one soon!

5,281 posted on 03/16/2008 5:07:57 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Rte66


5,282 posted on 03/16/2008 9:16:35 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau
Greta had a report on what caused Daniel's death tonight, and HKS and LB contradicted each other. Both claimed that Daniel was doing drugs, and LB said he had walked in on HKS, ANS, and Daniel smoking marijuana together. HKS denied it.

Explaining the claim by two nurses that two pills were found in the extra bed in ANS' room, HKS claimed that Daniel had been in the bed before him and the pills must have come from his pockets...not HKS'. What a lying piece of excrement HKS is. The reporter from the Bahamas told Greta that she and other reporters expected the verdict to be 'death by accidental overdose'. Daniel was an American citizen, and there should be a hearing in the US without HKS' being allowed to have anything to do with the Judges, Witnesses, and other attorneys. I'm afraid the 'fix' appears to be in, and that makes me ill. I'm so tired of those two leaches, HKS and LB, living off a woman they both exploited and used. They've been doing it with Dannielynn since she was born. They should have to earn a living on their own without any of ANS' funds. I'd like to see both of them on a chain gang picking up trash along the roadside. It wouldn't bother me to see them pounding hard rock either!

5,283 posted on 03/18/2008 8:32:59 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne
The whole thing IS pretty disgusting. Danny doing drugs???

It's that old thing...once you tell a have to tell another one and another one...etc.

Somehow, I think they will pay...God deals with peole like this in HIS way...

just like Scott Peterson...who never dreamed that the bodies would emerge....but that's how "mother nature" works and "mother nature" is God.

5,284 posted on 03/18/2008 11:58:52 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Rte66

Check your freepmail.

5,285 posted on 03/19/2008 1:17:00 PM PDT by fatima
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To: PeskyOne

It makes me sick. If Daniel S.’s death is written off as an accident, then I will do my best to discourage anyone from visiting the Bahamas.

5,286 posted on 03/19/2008 3:21:58 PM PDT by apocalypto
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To: Sacajaweau

I am not sure I heard right but did Greta tonight say that homicide is NOT an option in the death of DS? I must have misheard.

5,287 posted on 03/20/2008 8:15:05 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Jane Austen
I believe she did say exactly that! Greta reported the same 4 options as TMZ did. I copied the following from TMZ:

Big news in the Daniel Smith inquest -- the magistrate in the case will not be giving the jury the option to rule his death a homicide.

In a Bahamian court today, the parties discussed four possible options as the cause of death -- accident, "misadventure," non-dependent drug use and an "open verdict."

We're told the magistrate will instruct the jury on those options on March 31.

No one, including Virgie Arthur's lawyer, suggested that homicide was an option.

As for the options, "misadventure" is defined as "a hazardous course of action which ended fatally." An open verdict means the jury can't decide the specific cause of death.

5,288 posted on 03/20/2008 9:49:24 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne
I have no faith in the Bahama Justice system AND as long as people LIE and don't get caught, no system of justice will work.

But keep the faith. God usually takes care of people like Howard in an appropriate way. I'm sure, despite all the money...Anna haunts him and he'll live out the rest of his life with her image...always on his mind. That's a terrible thing...Just think of the little things that haunt you. We all have secrets.

5,289 posted on 03/20/2008 10:38:46 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Sacajaweau

Was Anna’s testimony read/played in the courtroom? I was in Houston at NASA and missed all this.

5,290 posted on 03/21/2008 9:04:04 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: Freedom Dignity n Honor

I have no idea..Sorry

5,291 posted on 03/21/2008 10:13:04 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: PeskyOne
Obviously the fix is in. In such cases, homicide is an option. Here, we have a second death with the same MO.

Boycott the Bahamas if Daniel does not get justice!

5,292 posted on 03/21/2008 3:57:26 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Jane Austen
Boycott the Bahamas if Daniel does not get justice!

I agree with you and also with Sac's comments in Post 5289.

5,293 posted on 03/21/2008 9:50:45 PM PDT by PeskyOne
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To: PeskyOne

I am starting a list of reasons not to visit the Bahamas and will keep spreading it if there is no justice for Daniel.

5,294 posted on 03/22/2008 2:41:37 PM PDT by Jane Austen
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To: Jane Austen

Hi Jane,

It has been awhile. I read now and then. When I checked to scan the current news on the inquest, I was surprised to see anyone expecting more than a few new tidbits from this inquest. Maybe I missed something in the lapse time? In my eyes, they told us long ago what their outcome would be. I don’t believe there will be an “IF justice” in the Bahamas. I haven’t been up on much lately but I remember many things that told us early on and all along, there was no interest or intentions of any form of justice for the death of Daniel.

I don’t have any of that research handy anymore but know the statements by Campbell when he first took the case wrote the ending even before the inquest took place. Plum is an good researcher, perhaps they might have the article where it was all spelled out in Campbell’s own words— he made it clear even before the inquest took place, homicide was not going to be an option. It was set in stone in the beginning (Sept 2006). First Virgill was dumped, then Gomez. Then, Campbell was moved in to calm the muddy waters while assuring the predetermined outcome. He followed the Sept 2006 declaration - no evidence of homicide. No suicide came with the deal early on also IIRC. Probably because insurance doesn’t pay on suicides. (wink)

Anyway, going all the way back, the AG didn’t want this inquest. They tried their best to avoid it. Neither did Monroe (and the “senior members” of the Bar) who all openly expressed there was no need for an inquest. When it became evident the frenzy from the US was not going to let it ride by so easily, they had to pretend to appease, therefore a controlled $$$ inquest is what you got.

Plan B, delay. Go through some resemblance of law but make sure the process matches the predetermined decisions, AFTER the frenzy calms. Wait until the ‘public’ and media lose interest. Then finally, they go through the motions. Even in the opening, Campbell declared the ending in so many words. No foul play, no homicide or words similar were repeated once again.

The reality of the outcome has been there all along. Daniel died Sept 10th. Even before toxicology tests were known, Police declared no foul play, no suicide, no homicide (Sept 19th). They even tried to declare no drugs were involved but darn-it all, the tox report added a bump in the road didn’t it. They might have had to change a few things, a few new spins and distractions but the declaration wouldn’t change.

When one professional dared hint something unusual occurred, she was fired.
A chief magistrate (Hall) changed a standing practice/law of about 13 yrs to completely change the coroners court for this one!
Justices were let go and replaced, delays manipulated, witnesses disappeared and so on.
There was never any intention at a real honest open investigation let alone any sense of justice. Court was held in $private$ long ago and nothing since has lent to any hope it would be different. NOT a suicide or homicide.

Bahamas decided the answer and geared the theatrics to that result. Wait until the media was gone, when most the US ‘public’ (that with them brought pressure) had moved on and pretend to weigh the facts (with a toe on the scale). Almost a year and a half later the words repeat, not a suicide, not a homicide. A self fulling prophecy for the Island of the Bahama$, land of drug lord$, corruption, crime and $lippery $lime.
Daniel Smith’s death neither suicide nor homicide
Updated Tue. Sep. 19 2006 6:54 PM ET

Associated Press

As much as I would love to see it, a boycott is near impossible. I have managed to derail 3 sets of vacationers is all. In reality - short of a few board addicts, who really cares? People are self centered and selfish as a rule of human behavior. Their life is all they are interested in .. when it is time for fun in the sun, they seek their own pleasures regardless. “There is murder right here in the US too” or, “I don’t even know who Daniel Smith was” are some responses. Truth is, many ran ‘to’ the land of murder just to see a house or a grave! Remember the profits the cab drivers loved? And, business bargains of the blues waters. Developers will not turn from profits any new deals that put money in their pockets either.

The side cases will be the only justice we might see. At least those are on homeland and geared by a good pit-bull that won’t be hushed! My respect and hopes go to Mr John O’Quinn.

Loved the links to QV’s emails. Aren’t those sternies laughable?! Work your butt off to build a pile of excrement against an innocent Grandma that murdered no one, then a turn coat rubs it right back in howie’s face. You have to love it. Alienate those in the know, pizz off the hand that feeds you, knife your friends in the back etc. Nice work Howard and fiends! Thanks! I laughed to know that Larry could SEE how his honey & fiends were working on scraping up the dirt on him. I bet he whined but he is a weak mind, hks was sure to get him back under hugs control real quick.

For your list

5,295 posted on 03/22/2008 9:55:26 PM PDT by nature
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To: nature
Loved your post! It's so true that in the Bahamas there will be no justice for Daniel. I'm of a mind that Howard only agreed to testify (lie?) at the inquest if the option of murder was taken off the list. Howard doesn't seem to do anything without hidden deals.

I had been planning a trip to the Bahamas in the near future, NOW I will never go there. I can go back to Hawaii or maybe explore Los Angeles or the Carolinas on the east coast. I don't need the Bahamas.

5,296 posted on 03/23/2008 8:20:38 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: All

I just had to stop by and thank those of you who stuck to this story through thick & thin. For me, it was tough pulling back from the ANS obsession - but even more depressing to follow.

The one thing I learned as an observer is that none of us can influence the outcome of injustice when criminals own the playing field.

After ANS I began obsessing over Kathleen Savio, Stacy Peterson, Cesar Laurean, Phil Spector and (just developing) John & Elizabeth Calvert who disappeared from Hilton Head March 3.

Again, thanks for bringing Bahamas’ barbarism to light.

5,297 posted on 03/23/2008 12:34:14 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair - man's surrender. Laughter - God's redemption.)
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To: sodpoodle

Hope you will keep dropping by.

5,298 posted on 03/23/2008 6:19:39 PM PDT by Jane Austen ((Boycott the Bahamas))
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To: Deal or No Deal

Don Clark gave an interview on Scared Monkeys radio. You can listen here:

Also it was a total lie that homicide was taken off as an option! That was more spin from TMZ & Art Harris.

In case you cannot listen to it here is a cut & paste transcript from a poster on Topix (thanks to that poster:o):
This is only a small part of what Don Clark said in the interview with
Scared Monkeys tonight if anyone is interested. Please overlook the
typos I was trying to listen and type at the same time.
Don Clark: The reality is in terms of what happened to Daniel. It’s
going to be left up to the Bahamians. We can’t say we’ve investigated
and this is what we’ve found out.
When there is a crime scene you don’t just go in to investigate like
you believe it was an accident. You go in investigating to find out
what really happened.

There is very little interest in the Bahamas as to what someone said
at the time, or after the time.

Is there anything you can comment on the methadone

There is no question that meth is the issue. Medical experts said
Daniel died of a huge amount of methadone
There is no evidence that Daniel took methadone.
There is no evidence that Daniel Smith took medications.
July l8 2006 when hks who was visititng Las Angeles Daniel went into
the hospital for anxiety
and he was depressed. We now know that Daniel Smith was extremely
depressed when she went to the bahamas
the US was his country and he wanted his mother here in his country.
20 or 22 tablets in his body. What happened here you don’t have to be
a brain surgeon
Everyone testified he was so happy to go to the bahas to see his mom
and little sister.
A pep in his step when he walked into the hospital.

He was upset that he could not keep the baby in his lap all night.

No history of taking methadone. There was only one piece of evi. came
in by Larry Birkhead that said the cameras system saw Daniel taking
methadone out of the refrig.
and going out the door.

I have sat and looked at Videos. Sometimes you have to look at videos
several times to see

Has the media coverage slowed down? It has slowed down immensely.

It is clear that people are saying we don’t care we just want to get
it over with and get it out of here.

Talked to cab drivers, maids, etc. They will come right out and say we
know this we think the boy was killed.

WAs homicide ruled out as an option.

Don Clark that’s not true . The jury has not been instruction of
anything at this point. There was argument by the att gen office and
hks att and our att that suicide should not be considered and option.

The judge has not ruled yet as of this point as far as suicide not
being an option.

Before I walked out of the courtroom workers in Houston were calling
me and telling me that this has been decided. Not even suicide is off
the table because the judge has not given the jury instructions yet.

There is a boy that is dead and the truth needs to come out of how he

If suicide could be ruled out that would be very good.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Daniel was involved in
pres type drugs or sampling any other types of drugs.

5,299 posted on 03/26/2008 3:16:35 AM PDT by Deal or No Deal (I say DEAL!)
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5,300 posted on 03/26/2008 9:54:22 AM PDT by Jane Austen
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