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"Journeyman" to be canceled?
Pure Vanity | 12/19/07

Posted on 12/19/2007 9:25:32 AM PST by pabianice

Per the website Savejourneyman, this excellent, trend-setting show will not be renewed for another season. Fans are fighting-back. Another example of the low brain-power in the network broadcast suites.


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1 posted on 12/19/2007 9:25:33 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Sad. This is one of the few shows I watch on a regular basis. At least it had an original premise, unlike most of the other shows that have been running for umpteen seasons.


2 posted on 12/19/2007 9:27:15 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: pabianice

I think the same thing is going to happen to ‘Pushing Daisies’. Yep, the two best shows.


3 posted on 12/19/2007 9:27:31 AM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: pabianice

Never heard of it.


4 posted on 12/19/2007 9:27:31 AM PST by shekkian
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To: pabianice

Never heard of it. Can someone provide a very brief synopsis of the show?


5 posted on 12/19/2007 9:27:52 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: pabianice
Despite the brilliance of Kevin McKidd, I knew this series wouldn't last.

It's too much like Quantum Leap - it gets lost in the mix.

6 posted on 12/19/2007 9:27:54 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: pabianice
"Journeyman" to be cancelled? What a life altering, soul-crushing disappointment.

I guess I'll have to watch reruns of the much superior "Quantum Leap" to get the same type of storylines.

7 posted on 12/19/2007 9:27:57 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Res firma mitescere nescit)
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To: pabianice

I am so p*ssed. My husband and I love this show! I was p*ssed that The Traveler was cancelled. Intelligent shows usually never stand a chance.


8 posted on 12/19/2007 9:28:26 AM PST by bluerose (Press "1" if you speak English. "Press "2" to disconnect until you can.)
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To: pabianice

Of course the actually good shows are the ones that go and they add yet another “reality” show like Battle of the Choirs or whatever the crap they put on in the Chuck timeslot.


9 posted on 12/19/2007 9:28:31 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: pabianice

There’s nothing stupid about the suits, the ratings suck. The job of the suits is to get viewers and sell commercials, the best show ever made without viewers is a show that should be canceled. Journeyman debuted at #43 sank to #80 and has “rebounded” to the mid 60s. Cancel it.


10 posted on 12/19/2007 9:30:15 AM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: pabianice

“this excellent, trend-setting show”

excellent?
trend-setting?

Everyone I talked to about the show said they thought it was “goofy”, “repetitious” and “seemed like a cut and paste job”.


11 posted on 12/19/2007 9:31:52 AM PST by A. Morgan (Each terrorist we kill lowers the carbon foot print of the war.)
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To: pabianice
Another example of the low brain-power in the network broadcast suites.

Loath as I am to defend the Hollywood suits, this usually comes down to the free market.

People claim that they want intelligent, challenging shows, but they don't actually watch them.

12 posted on 12/19/2007 9:32:02 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: real saxophonist

Daisies ratings are a lot better than Journeyman. Hard to tell if they’re where ABC wants them, but the numbers could be good enough. Of course with the strike now and the strikes to come next year it’s entirely possible the entire 2007 season will just be thrown away for a fresh start January 2009.


13 posted on 12/19/2007 9:34:23 AM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: discostu

Star Trek was exactly one of those shows, the fans, resurrected it the rest is history.
I am one of those fans and as to the other garbage on tv this is very interesting and beyond the reality tv realm, fantasy at is best as far as I am concerned.


14 posted on 12/19/2007 9:36:44 AM PST by pennboricua
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To: pabianice

That is sad. I now watch only three TV shos (other than sports). The Unit, Numbers and Journeyman and Numbers is getting boring.

I suppose they need more room for another realitytrash or sitgarbage show to attract the brainless.


15 posted on 12/19/2007 9:37:42 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: pabianice

Folks - as much as I like Journeyman...IT’S JUST A TELEVISION SHOW!


16 posted on 12/19/2007 9:38:08 AM PST by The Louiswu (Never Forget!)
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To: LIConFem

Kevin McKidd was great in HBO’s Rome. I had a feeling he was going Stateside, because he’s got charisma. I watched a couple of episodes because the premise isn’t that bad. You could call it a present-day Quantum Leap.

One thing to notice @ the end: the production company is called Left Coast Productions. I saw a link on TV Guide before that just like Bionic Woman, they have a ratings problem so this wouldn’t surprise me.


17 posted on 12/19/2007 9:39:54 AM PST by max americana
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To: latina4dubya

Ping.


18 posted on 12/19/2007 9:40:00 AM PST by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: A. Morgan

“Journeyman” is a time-travel story. Sorry, but I am a sucker for almost anything of this genre. Replaying history, with a change or twist, and the results of anachronisms (like the introduction of the high-resolution digital camera).

With what you knew now, if you could go into the past, what would you change? Really a great springboard for editorial comment on so many things today. But did some things really have to happen, no matter what?


19 posted on 12/19/2007 9:41:43 AM PST by alloysteel (Ignorance is no handicap for some people in a debate. They just get more shrill.)
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To: pennboricua

At the time Star Trek’s cancellation was just, the ratings stunk. The reason it turned into a license to print money is the fans it gained in syndication.

I’ve been a fan of many good shows that were canceled. But I don’t blame the “suits”, it’s a numbers oriented business, shows that don’t get the numbers get canceled. People forget what the business of TV is all about, the job of the “suits” is to deliver our eyeballs to commercials, we are the end product, a show that isn’t creating enough end product is a failure.

As for Journeyman I wasn’t interested in it from the start. The first commercial I saw I said “oh look Quantum Leap without Dean Stockwell”, and given that all 5 seasons of Quantum Leap WITH Dean Stockwell are available on DVD that just didn’t draw me in.


20 posted on 12/19/2007 9:42:45 AM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: wideawake

Man I hated Quantam Leap...he’s in the body of a [insert percieved underclass here]! Alright audience, Empathize!


21 posted on 12/19/2007 9:43:00 AM PST by Borges
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To: frogjerk
Never heard of it. Can someone provide a very brief synopsis of the show?

In the jargon of Hollywood, it's "Quantum Leap" meets "Sliders".

22 posted on 12/19/2007 9:43:32 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Just how will wrecking the U.S. economy save the planet?)
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To: max americana
"You could call it a present-day Quantum Leap."

I've never seen (or heard of) Quantum Leap, but I looked it up on IMDB. There goes my "original premise" theory. ;o) Still liked the show, though.
23 posted on 12/19/2007 9:43:53 AM PST by LIConFem (Thompson. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter Lifetime ACU Rating: 92 (any combo will do, fellas))
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To: max americana

He was great in Trainspotting too.

In all honesty, does it really matter that they are cancelling these shows? It’s not like they were coming back anytime soon, with the writer’s strike going on.


24 posted on 12/19/2007 9:45:46 AM PST by elc
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To: Borges

LOL! Perfect summary. And, of course, Scott Bakula’s acting chops didn’t help matters.


25 posted on 12/19/2007 9:46:30 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: pennboricua

50,000 pounds of nuts is getting Jericho back on the air - at least for a shortened season.


26 posted on 12/19/2007 9:46:32 AM PST by elc
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To: frogjerk

Okay, a bit more of a synopsis. Dan Vasser is a reporter who gets pulled back in time to influence a life that somehow needs to be fixed. He jumps into key points in the person’s life to make a difference, but he has to figure out what he’s supposed to do or say to make that difference.

I’ve enjoyed the show, especially when he sees some subtle and not-so-subtle changes on his return, kind of like the Simpson’s episode with the time travel toaster.


27 posted on 12/19/2007 9:47:54 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (Just how will wrecking the U.S. economy save the planet?)
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To: highball

Sometimes it takes a little time for a show to find an audience. “Cheers” is a perfect example. Even though ratings sucked, cancelling it would have been a bad decision.


28 posted on 12/19/2007 9:47:58 AM PST by Homer1
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To: Domandred
“add yet another “reality” show like Battle of the Choirs “

I Like this idea of yours for a new show. “Battle of the Choirs” Would this be a indoor event with completions like pew jumping and back flips down the center aisle. The Blues Brother thing. Or would it be more like a rugby match.

29 posted on 12/19/2007 9:50:44 AM PST by ThomasThomas (An investigative journalist is one who uses spellcheck.)
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To: discostu

This is an exact reason to blame the suits. They had Star Trek which was a license to print money, and they just discarded it. If a show is good, it should find an audience.


30 posted on 12/19/2007 9:50:58 AM PST by Homer1
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To: discostu
Daisies ratings are a lot better than Journeyman.

"Daisies" problem is that it's an expensive show to make. This is becoming a problem lately, with huge sums being pumped into pilots to make them look amazing, followed by the discovery that you can't repeat that look every week without making the show cost-prohibitive. If those shows do anything less than top-10 ratings, with the commensurate premium on ad time, they don't make sense to keep making.

31 posted on 12/19/2007 9:53:04 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Homer1

Bring back “BJ and the Bear”!!!


32 posted on 12/19/2007 9:53:15 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: elc

I watched all of the episodes of Jericho so far - I loved it!!!


33 posted on 12/19/2007 9:53:46 AM PST by AirForceBrat23
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To: SlowBoat407
In the jargon of Hollywood, it's "Quantum Leap" meets "Sliders".

And unfortunately that actually does the show a disservice.

34 posted on 12/19/2007 9:56:29 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Homer1

But Star Trek wasn’t a license to print money at the beginning. When it started it was an expensive show with crappy ratings, 40 years ago nobody knew Star Trek would find it’s audience 5 years after it got canceled. It’s nice to say that a show “should” find rating, but when you’re the guy writing 6 and 7 digit checks every week to keep a show on the air “should” doesn’t cut it, you need a show to have already found it’s audience. And it’s even more true today than it was before, the pie is cut thinner than ever, most of the networks (especially NBC) don’t have the big hit shows making enough money to keep a couple of experiments around. They need every episode of every show to be profitable, they no longer live in a world of letting Cosby make enough money to keep Cheers around and see if it catches.


35 posted on 12/19/2007 9:56:48 AM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: AirForceBrat23
I watched all of the episodes of Jericho so far - I loved it!!!

I was gonna drop Jericho at about episode 4 or 5 cause I was tired of the "Super Jake" show. Glad I stuck with it though, it got good towards the end.

Yea I sent a few pounds of nuts in myself.

36 posted on 12/19/2007 9:58:49 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Yeah, that’s why I think it’s on the bubble. It’s clearly getting OK numbers for most shows (it’s fallen to better than Journeyman started), but it is a bit pricey. The good news on the show though is I think most of the costs are 1 shot, having built the expensive sets further seasons should be a little cheaper. Only time will tell. The whole year is up for grabs, nobody is getting the numbers they want with anything, the writers are on strike, the actors soon will be, the directors shortly after that. There’s the distinct possibility of the suits bailing on the whole year except for one or two top drawers shows on each network.


37 posted on 12/19/2007 10:00:51 AM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: shekkian

I didn’t think the show was any good really ...


38 posted on 12/19/2007 10:02:42 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Domandred
Battle of the Choirs

Should be fought with automatic weapons.

39 posted on 12/19/2007 10:05:44 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: real saxophonist

Pushing Daisies was ranked as one of the top ten shows. I would be quite surprised to see it go. It will be back after the first of the year as far as I know.


40 posted on 12/19/2007 10:08:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: discostu

How about the shows that have good ratings, then they move it around so many times, no one can find it anymore?


41 posted on 12/19/2007 10:11:16 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
I guess I'll have to watch reruns of the much superior "Quantum Leap" to get the same type of storylines.

Ziggy says there's a 98% probability that the whiners will not get what they want.

42 posted on 12/19/2007 10:11:17 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: pabianice

I’m still waiting for ‘La Femme Nikita’ and ‘Farscape’ to return.


43 posted on 12/19/2007 10:12:52 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: frogjerk
Never heard of it. Can someone provide a very brief synopsis of the show?

The hero starts spontaneously making trips to the recent San Francisco past, only to return to the present hours after he disappears. This, of course, wreaks havoc on his marriage and job. His trips to the past seem to have a purpose, and he rights wrongs and changes the present while in the past. He meets his old girlfriend (Moon Bloodgood - oo-la-la) who had been presumed dead when she disappeared several years ago. Turns out she had been a time traveler from the 1930s who got stuck in the 2000s for a period of time. Together they fix the future when in the past. When at his job as a newspaper reporter, the hero contacts a Dr. Langley who is a quantum physicist who tell him that tachyons would be required for time travel. It so happens that Dr. Langley calls our hero while our hero is in the past on an antique cell phone he keeps on his person for use in the past. Dr. Langley has many visitors claiming to be time travelers besiging him at his office, visitors who are quickly escorted from the premises.

My guess is that the good doctor has been conducting experiments with tachyons that have had unintended consequences for various people in the San Francisco metropolitan area.

It's actually pretty interesting.

44 posted on 12/19/2007 10:12:55 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: nickcarraway

That’s one you can blame on stupid suits, I call it “foxing” because Fox has perfected that method of killing a show for no apparent reason.


45 posted on 12/19/2007 10:13:17 AM PST by discostu (a mountain is something you don't want to %^&* with)
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To: pabianice

As soon as I figure out what you’re talking about, I’ll be devastated.


46 posted on 12/19/2007 10:15:28 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: frogjerk

We watched it twice and it was the same thing all the time...he transports somewhere else leaving behind his wife and ends up somehwhere else. Fixes whatever needs to be fixed and then finds himself home again. Maybe there are fans out there but honestly...after watching it twice we both said it wouldn’t last. It’s too mundane.


47 posted on 12/19/2007 10:19:37 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever fully realize.)
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To: bluerose

I vowed never to trust ABC again after they so unceremoniously dumped “Daybreak” right in the middle, breaking their promises to the viewers who invested of their lives into watching that particular series.

In fact, they kept promising particular dates when the remainder of the series would be posted online. And in this particular instance, ABC BROKE those promises to their viewers not once but, as I recall, approximately EIGHT times.

Never again. I don’t even watch TV any more. Which means I won’t even tuning into Lost, which I followed through its first 3 seasons.


48 posted on 12/19/2007 10:19:53 AM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: discostu
Wasn't Quantum Leap just a knock-off of Voyager?
49 posted on 12/19/2007 10:21:51 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: pabianice

“trend-setting show”

I think the trend of cancelling slow building character dramas has been set for some time. A few others come to mind;

Daybreak - Taye Diggs in a groundhog day crime drama.

Firefly - the space cowboy sci-fi that Fox nixed prematurely.

Traveler - hadn’t realized this one was cancelled. College kids tied up in a government conspiracy with a roommate that was actually a gov’t agent using them as assets.

The problem I see with a lot of these shows is that you need to watch a few to get the characters and bond with them — many seem to play for the second season instead of hitting hard early on. Mass audiences typically pop in an out of shows and miss some here and there. Appointment tv is increasingly rare and even dvrs haven’t reversed this trend.

I think Quantum Leap comparisons are unfair, QL was focused very much on the situations of the leaps, with each one standing on its own as a tidy episode. Journeyman tends to focus on the relationships of the main characters with the leaps creating conflict, not serving as the core premise.

Pushing Daisies probably suffers from the same - clever to the point of being cloying, but a bit flat. Really I’m not sure what they’re trying to do on a big scale because it moves so slowly.


50 posted on 12/19/2007 10:28:27 AM PST by sbMKE
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