"Journeyman" to be canceled?

Pure Vanity | 12/19/07

[Pietro]

"Pushing Daisies’

I don't watch much TV, but my wife does and Pushing Daisies is one of the shows that will draw me in if I'm walking by. The dialog is very clever and the set designs are great.

I doubt though that the concept will have a long shelf life, sorta like the corpsecylces.

[CSM]

I love this show and loath this decision!

[Mad Dawgg]

"But the buyers and the sellers are more aware of any potential problems with the Nielson’s numbers than you and I could ever be, the buyers and the sellers both spend serious money supplementing and verifying those numbers, and they agree that the numbers are good enough to determine the dollar value of their exchanges. So clearly by definition the market is free, whether you’re willing to accept the truth of that fact or not.

So by your definition a Market in which an outside entity sets the price is still a Free Market because the buyer and the seller still exchange money and goods?

[discostu]

No, by YOUR definition a market where the buyers and sellers are both happy with how the numbers are acquired is free. “completely by the mutual consent of sellers and buyers”. The buyers and sellers are happy with how Nielson gets, massages and publishes the numbers, therefore the market is free. It’s not like there’s some government mandate that makes Nielson the sole source of information. There are other companies that provide data, they are used and compared against the Nielson data, even with all that other data everybody benchmarks from Nielson. That’s a free market.

[Mad Dawgg]

"It’s not like there’s some government mandate that makes Nielson the sole source of information. There are other companies that provide data, they are used and compared against the Nielson data, even with all that other data everybody benchmarks from Nielson. That’s a free market."

Really?

Interesting take, then explain why shows like Firefly and Jericho were canceled based on Neilsen's Data when the Satelite and Cable systems were showing totall different viewership?

BTW a market can still be Un-Free without government intervention. Its why there are laws against Monopolies in the US which BTW is exactly what Nielsen's System has been for many years. Now with the advent of the internet and new Digital technology they are being challenged but they still control that market.

One of the major indicators that the system was seriously flawed on numbers data is when Firefly went to DVD and it outsold the Star Wars episode that was released on DVD at the same time for many weeks in a row.

Futon Critic run some numbers on the phenomenon and it was telling. I wonder if it is any coincidence that the stealth campaign against TIVO tracking viewers habits started hitting the mainstream at about the same time.

[discostu]

Explain to me why if canceling Firefly was such a stupid move the movie totally tanked. The cable and satellite numbers aren’t the benchmarks, and things like the complete failure of Serenity show why. But that data is available to the networks and advertisers if they chose to use it. Which is why the market is free. There ARE other sources of data that ARE used, they just don’t get to be the benchmark. And maybe one of these days they’ll prove themselves to be more reliable numbers and they will become the benchmark.

And there you go again on some silly “anti-TIVO” campaign. which you now classify as stealthy thus proving how completely silly it is. Yes let’s make a campaign to get people up in arms about Tivo’s tracking method, but let’s do it so stealthily that no one knows they’re supposed to be against Tivo’s tracking methods.

Really you’ve gotten painfully redundant here. The facts are still the same:
Nielson is NOT the only source of data
The networks and advertisers use MANY sources for their ratings and demographic data
But even with all those other sources of data available to them they FREELY chose to make Nielson the benchmark source for setting ad rates

That all adds up to a 100% FREE market. Your objections and patently ridiculous conspiracy theories aside.

We’re done, good bye, good luck, please accept my sincere wishes for the best Christmas of your life.

[GreenAccord]

It’s like Quantum Leap but not as good.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. I watched both Quantum Leap and have watched every Journeyman, and while they're similar in that they involve time travel and revising events in the past to make for better outcomes in the future, where Journeyman makes a departure is the introduction of a forward leaping counterpart (from the 1940's) and the way that our hero affects his own future by his actions in the past.

There is also the mystical element of why he is jumping back and forth and why his former fiancee is jumping forth and back (since she's the one who comes from the 1940's).

I actually feel that Journeyman is superior in that it doesn't involve a sappy computer that is communicating with the protagonist (Ziggy) and that the plot line has the main character smartly reveal his predicament to his wife via the placing of an artifact in a secure place long ago (during a leap) to prove his existence in the past.

I have really enjoyed it and I consider it my favorite show in primetime.

[latina4dubya]

I think you should start looking what a set of Journeyman DVDs.

huh? you mean look into purchasing a set of Journeyman DVDs? it's not even going to last one season... there will be no set... besides, i've been watching it... i've already seen what's been shown... i was looking forward to future seasons that i have not yet watched...