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Romney/Huckabee, undecided

Posted on 01/29/2008 9:15:11 AM PST by thehumanlynx

I am voting today in FL and I am stuck. My number 1 choice, by leaps an miles, was Duncan Hunter. Now that dream has been shattered by all the other morons in the country who didn't want a legit conservative to represent the pseudo-conservative Republican party.

Now, I'm stuck btw Romney and Huckabee. I'm going to vote in a few hours and still don't know. There is no one left that I like. I am once again forced to hold my nose and push my touchscreen button. There are aspects of both that I like and both have a history of action that I can't stand.

One big thing that resonates with me is the fact that Duncan supports Huckabee. I respect Duncan, but I don't know if I can trust the campaign promises of either of these 2 guys. I feel like Romney has a better shot of getting the nomination and both guys would smack around the Dems in a debate. I just don't want McCain/Guliani...


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To: snowsislander; All

Thanks for all the advice, this was more of a venting thing for me. This whole cycle is making me nauseas and I’m pissed about the candidates that rose to the top. I have considered all those points that you bulleted and I’m considering falling off the grid until the US gets the wake up call that is coming. Maybe after a few years of ridiculous spending funded by an even more ridiculous tax scheme, we will learn our lesson.


41 posted on 01/29/2008 9:39:12 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: Greg F

Hunter bought it, in face to face discussions no less. Hunter is a sharp guy in my summation. I have a lot of respect for his ideas and statements. He spoke to Huck in person, I haven’t been given that opportunity b/c it cost $1000 a plate to go to the dinner down here.


42 posted on 01/29/2008 9:42:45 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: thehumanlynx

Please, please, please defeat McCain the best way possible; vote Romney!


43 posted on 01/29/2008 9:45:09 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: counterpunch
I recall that thread. Good guess, very Nostradamus of you.

I think that those 3 played a role, but Duncan was gung ho about I.I., border fence, and trade with China. Those were HUGE issues for Duncan and he is busy pushing for border security as we speak. Those would have to be considered and given great concern regarding the support given Huck.

44 posted on 01/29/2008 9:48:39 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: cripplecreek

You’re one of the few and the proud that got to vote for Duncan Hunter.

Michigan has a pretty coo flg BTW.


45 posted on 01/29/2008 9:50:38 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: thehumanlynx

Yes, I mentioned trade protectionism as one of the other major reasons.
I left it out this time because I didn’t want to get into the weeds with anyone again over “fair trade” and the definition of protectionism and whatnot.


46 posted on 01/29/2008 9:52:15 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee — The Religious Wrong)
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To: MrEdd

If you want a brokered convention Rudy would be the choice.


47 posted on 01/29/2008 9:54:24 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: thehumanlynx

Well look, if you are big on border security, and anti-amnesty, then you gotta vote for Romney.
He has been against illegal immigration, while McCain is still pushing amnesty (he’s just hiding it behind “first we must enforce the border”)

He conveniently omitts what comes second and third...
You know what you gotta do.
Stopping McCain must be your priority.
Huckabee has already lost. He’s gone.
Don’t waste a vote that could be put to use stopping McCain.
For many of us, it may be too late to stop McCain by the time we get a chance to vote.
You have that chance today.
Do what you know you have to.


48 posted on 01/29/2008 9:56:25 AM PST by counterpunch (Mike Huckabee — The Religious Wrong)
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To: counterpunch

Ok, I understand the omission on this thread.


49 posted on 01/29/2008 9:57:36 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: thehumanlynx

No matter what he says now or what the Minute Men say, Huck is an open borders big government nanny state liberal. Romney is a proven leader in and out of governemnt. He built a company that returned billions to it’s shareholders and he headed up and saved the Salt lake City Olympics. He’s not perfect but he is by far and away the best of the bunch!


50 posted on 01/29/2008 10:05:55 AM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: counterpunch
Like I said, thats what I've had to stomach. Its what I've been likely to do for the past couple weeks. Its just plain DISGUSTING. I'm sick of having to make choices this way. Our Republican leadership needs to get on board with the R voter.

Romney is trying to be all things to all people. If his position changes were legitimate than I'm all for them, but he is a politician, and I can't buy his changes are legit. I can't even buy that his original positions are legit. I can't be sure that he has convictions on anything. I guess that is good for the Amnesty Bill, he sees what the people want on that and will not support it. But I like conviction, someone who is steadfast. McCain is a fair-weather Politician, in MA he spoke like Ted Kennedy, in SC he speaks like Huck.

uggh, I just threw up in my mouth thinking about it. My party needs an overhaul. Time to purge the trash out.

51 posted on 01/29/2008 10:06:28 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: cripplecreek
Its a tough choice. As far as immigration is concerned both are utter failures.

Not true. Mitt earned Tom Tancredo's endorsement and that says alot.

52 posted on 01/29/2008 10:07:09 AM PST by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: pgkdan

Hes better than McCain, I’ll give you that.


53 posted on 01/29/2008 10:07:14 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: thehumanlynx
Not Huckabee - he is not going anywhere. And not McCain who is ready to sell out this country. Romney is the best of what is left over. I was for Tancredo/Hunter/Thompson - all have dropped out.
54 posted on 01/29/2008 10:08:59 AM PST by Dante3
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To: pgkdan

Duncan endorsed Huck. Tancredo and Hunter were both pretty big opponents of Illegal Immigration. kind of a wash. Endorsements don’t equal legislative history either. What they say now doesnt correlate with what they did in the past, necessarily.


55 posted on 01/29/2008 10:11:22 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: thehumanlynx
At this point, if you are considering Huckabee please, I beg you, put it out of your mind. He will, if nominated, most assuredly not be elected. I am not sure why Duncan Hunter endorsed him, perhaps it was because he felt abortion was the single most important issue and thought Huckabee was the safest bet on that issue. But, Duncan probably does not know Huckabee like conservatives in Arkansas know him. Phyllis Schlafly is an Arkansan, however, and she has more social conservative and right-to-life "bonafides" than just about anyone and should meet any social conservative's gold standard. She said it succinctly: Mike Huckabee has left the Republican Party "in shambles" in Arkansas. He has supported higher taxes, called people who are against illegal immigration "bigots," criticized the Bush administration foreign policy as a "bunker mentality," and has been in favor of closing down Gitmo. His favorite phrase when given a serious foreign policy question is "I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night." Fred Thompson said it best: these views are perfect views if you are running as a Democrat. Is this really the guy you want determining the most pressing foreign policy crises for the next 4-8 years? Is this the guy who really is going to enact sweeping fiscal responsibility and restore the GOP credibility on spending? His most telling response, IMHO, was how he reacted to some court order in Arkansas which "required him to raise taxes." This is horse manure, and nothing but another way to say "I am too big of a wimp to confront profligate spending and over-reaching by the judicial branch." Is this the guy you really want?

Romney may be a late convert to some elements of conservatism. He may not really be sincere about some of the positions he holds. Nevertheless, he is boldly running on them and if elected he will owe those conservative positions and stances on issues for his success. He is much more likely to stay the conservative course on the most important issues. Huckabee was smart to embrace the "Fair Tax" and base most of his economic policy on the elimination of the IRS. If I even thought that was remotely possible I might vote for him. But it is not, and he knows it. He doesn't have to answer to his raising taxes in Arkansas either because he can just spit out some derivation of the populist rhetoric "If elected I think we should eliminate the IRS and adopt the Fair Tax" and immediately the debate shifts. But this is not going to happen. Even if you had 90 GOP Senators and 300 GOP House members, it is not going to happen. The chickens will never vote for Colonel Sanders. Tax law is the power base in Washington, and bills touting this favor or that is the currency on Capitol Hill.

If you still are wobbly, consider it mere practicality: Romney is slightly ahead of McCain in the most recent FL polls. Giuliani is a distant third, and Huckabee is slightly behind in 4th. Romney needs the conservative vote or we will be facing the Armageddon of a McCain nomination.

56 posted on 01/29/2008 10:28:13 AM PST by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush
well its done. I left the booth with a queasy stomach. But its over. I like Huckabees fair tax talk, and he did bring it further into the limelight, which i think is a good thing. Hopefully one day that sort of evident, uncomplicated tax policy will come to life.

I don't like McCain and hopefully I curbed his rise. I feel sick. Good day.

57 posted on 01/29/2008 11:03:19 AM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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To: AuntB; All

“McCain’s more liberal, except Tom Coburn....I’ll never figure that one out.”

I can answer that. Tom Coburn is dead set against Pork. That is crucial to him and the main reason he ran for the Senate. McCain is against pork also. There is where they meet.

I was still living in OK with Dr. Coburn was elected, I helped elect him.

To the person that is asking who to vote for, it has to be your choice don’t let others HERE influence you. They are not smarter or wiser than you, and they ALL have agendas - me too - that is why I’m not going to tell you whom you should vote for or against.


58 posted on 01/29/2008 11:21:51 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Sola Veritas
I wasn't really asking. I was more venting my frustration, trying to find an accord with people here about how crappy the situation is. I, unfortunately, knew what I was forced to do before I typed a single word.

btw, McCains effort to reel in pork is the best thing hes got, in my eyes.

59 posted on 01/29/2008 6:32:49 PM PST by thehumanlynx (Duncan Hunter . goodbye to the true conservative. Nice voting fellow Repubs..)
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