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Home gardening offers ways to trim grocery costs [Survival Today, an on going thread]
Dallas ^ | March 14th, 2008 | DEAN FOSDICK

Posted on 03/23/2008 11:36:40 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny

Americans finding soaring food prices hard to stomach can battle back by growing their own food. [Click image for a larger version] Dean Fosdick Dean Fosdick

Home vegetable gardens appear to be booming as a result of the twin movements to eat local and pinch pennies.

At the Southeastern Flower Show in Atlanta this winter, D. Landreth Seed Co. of New Freedom, Pa., sold three to four times more seed packets than last year, says Barb Melera, president. "This is the first time I've ever heard people say, 'I can grow this more cheaply than I can buy it in the supermarket.' That's a 180-degree turn from the norm."

Roger Doiron, a gardener and fresh-food advocate from Scarborough, Maine, said he turned $85 worth of seeds into more than six months of vegetables for his family of five.

A year later, he says, the family still had "several quarts of tomato sauce, bags of mixed vegetables and ice-cube trays of pesto in the freezer; 20 heads of garlic, a five-gallon crock of sauerkraut, more homegrown hot-pepper sauce than one family could comfortably eat in a year and three sorts of squash, which we make into soups, stews and bread."


She compares the current period of market uncertainty with that of the early- to mid-20th century when the concept of victory gardens became popular.

"A lot of companies during the world wars and the Great Depression era encouraged vegetable gardening as a way of addressing layoffs, reduced wages and such," she says. "Some companies, like U.S. Steel, made gardens available at the workplace. Railroads provided easements they'd rent to employees and others for gardening."

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Dr. Chase’s Recipes, or Information for Everybody
Previous Book Next Book
By Alvin Wood Chase, M.D.
Ann Arbor, MI: Chase, 1864
Interest: Encyclopedic Works
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Dr. Chase’s Recipes, or, Information for Everybody. Tenth Edition. Ann Arbor, MI: Chase, 1864.

It is surprising that this book and the others by Dr. Chase are not better known to most culinary historians. Dr. Chase’s books were among the most popular publications of the 19th century, often touted as being second only to the Bible in total sales. They went through dozens of editions, in at least two languages (English and German), with publishers in three countries (United States, Canada and England).

This book, in a variety of editions, was carried across the prairies with the pioneers. It almost certainly sold more than 4 million copies - all of this before modern reprints and facsimiles. In some copies of his works, the publicity indicated that “Chase’s book had the largest sale of any book printed in America.”

Why was this book so popular? Partially it was the historical times. When Dr. Chase began writing, America was still young, a rural, pioneering country. Tens of thousands of citizens were homesteading, making their way west, trying to tame this broad country of ours. Most people still lived on farms. There was no place to easily find information on human health, diet and cooking; animal health and care; household helps and “how tos” - furniture polish; varnish for removing stains, spots and mildew; tooth powder; boot, shoe and harness edge color; waterproof oil blacking; crockery cement; shampoo; cologne; washing fluid; dentrifice; hair dye; rat exterminator; grease remover; mustache wax; ink; or oil to make hair grow and curl (olive oil, oils of rosemary and origanmun-mixed and applied rather freely).

Another reason was Dr. Chase’s personal notes - warm, chatty, professional, folksy, authoritative. Although almanacs offering medical advice were ubiquitous, Dr. Chase, at least, did earn an M.D. degree, unlike the thousands of other patent medicine salesman peddling their wares in all parts of America. A third explanation lies in Chase’s salesmanship, merchandising and public relations genius. He was ahead of his time in what we might now call consumer marketing; his abilities in this area deserve a book of their own!

And lastly, the breadth and scope of the book. In many editions, the index requires fourteen pages of small type. These include Departments of and for Merchants and Grocers, Saloon-Keepers, Medical, Tanners Shoe and Harness Makers, Painters, Blacksmiths, Gunsmiths, Jewelers, Farriers, Cabinet-Makers, Barbers and Toilet, Bakers and Cooks, Domestic Dishes, Miscellaneous, Whitewash and Cheap Paints, Coloring, Interest, and a Glossarial and Explanatory section.

It literally was an indispensable guide for how to live in America in the last half of ther 19th century.

Cookery and baking recipes can be found in a number of the chapters. An ingenious chart for making fifteen kinds of cakes can be found in the baking section. A few of the more interesting recipes include: Buckwheat Short-Cake, Steamboat Style Baked Apples (”better than preserves”), the Michigan Farmer’s Method of Preserving Meat, and Smoked Meat-To Preserve for Years, or for Sea Voyages.

This volume requires serious attention; it is an important American artifact.

2,451 posted on 04/27/2008 6:58:20 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Apple Chicken Sausage

A real crowd pleaser and tasty alternative to pork or beef-based

3/4 cup apple cider
1 1/2 tsp dried sage
2 lb ground chicken
1/8 tsp ground cinnamon
2 oz dried apples (finely chopped)
1/8 tsp ground nutmeg
2 tsp kosher salt
1/8 tsp ground ginger
1/2 tsp freshly ground black pepper
2 cube chicken bouillon dissolved in 2 tablespoons boiling water

In a small non stick saucepan, boil down the cider almost to a syrup,
about 1 to 2 tablespoon. Cool and reserve.

If using chicken thighs, coarsely grind the boned chicken and skin or
chop coarsely in small portions in an electric food processor.

Place the ground chicken in the mixing bowl and add the reduced apple
cider and the remaining ingredients. Mix until thoroughly blended.

Extrude the mixture into the casings and twist off into four inch

Refrigerate and use within three days, or freeze, dry or smoke.

Hot or Sweet Italian Sausage

This variety is easy to make and is really delicious when roasted or
used to flavor tomato sauce.

2 lb ground lean pork
3 Tbsp fennel seed
1oz fat replacer
1 large clove garlic, finely minced
1 tsp salt, or to taste
1 tsp crushed red pepper, or to taste
1 1/2 tsp freshly ground black pepper

Add meat and remaining ingredients to the mixing bin and mix until
thoroughly blended. Extrude the mixture into the casings and twist off
into four-inch links. Refrigerate and use within three days, or freeze,

or smoke.

2,452 posted on 04/27/2008 7:44:39 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Salt Free Chili Powder

2 tablespoons paprika
2 teaspoons oregano
1 1/4 teaspoons cumin
1 1/4 teaspoons garlic powder
3/4 teaspoon red pepper
3/4 teaspoon onion powder

Mix all ingredients together. Store in airtight container. Use as
Makes 4 tablespoons.

2,453 posted on 04/27/2008 7:48:58 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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EPA orders Scotts to stop selling certain pesticides

One of the unregistered
Miracle-Gro Products

Scotts has agreed to recall these products from all retail locations
across the United States and to set up a process for consumers to safely
return any unregistered products they may have purchased.

a.. What happened?
b.. What should you do?
c.. What is EPA doing?
d.. EPA requirements
e.. Enforcement
f.. Background on the company
g.. National Pesticide Information Center - County Extension Offices
Question and Answer Fact Sheet on Scotts Stop Order (PDF) (2pp,

New Release April 23, 2008

Stop Sale, Use or Removal Order
The Scotts Miracle-Gro Company (PDF) (10pp,300Kb)

What happened?
Wednesday, April 23, 2008

EPA is ordering Scotts Miracle-Gro Co., located in Marysville, Ohio, to
stop selling and distributing two pesticide products that have not
been registered with the EPA. The pesticides are “Garden Weed Preventer +
Plant Food” and “SLS Fertilizer With .28 Halts” and are commonly used
on lawns by homeowners.

These products have not been registered with the EPA and are labeled
with invalid EPA registration numbers. EPA has not reviewed any
information about the safety of these products. Pesticide products must be
registered with the EPA to protect public health and the environment.


Popular Plant Food Recalled
Thursday, April 24, 2008 12:23 AM
MARYSVILLE, Ohio — Scotts Miracle-Gro Co. was ordered Wednesday to stop
selling a popular fertilizer because it contains an unregistered
chemical to control weeds.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the mystery herbicide was
used in Miracle-Gro Shake ‘n’ Feed With Weed Preventer All Purpose
Plant Food, 10TV’s Kevin Landers reported. The product is widely available
at home-improvement and lawn-and-garden stores and is sold in yellow
jugs in 4.5 and 8 pound containers.


2,454 posted on 04/27/2008 7:53:42 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Summer Drink Recipes

Cherry Water

Pound the cherries with the stones to obtain the flavor of the kernel,
press out the juice through a hair sieve, add a little water to it,
and give
it a boil; then filter it through a flannel bag; [add] some syrup, a
lemon juice and water, to make it palatable, but rich, although not
too sweet,
which is often the fault with these; ice as wine, and serve. Apricot
peach water made as cherry water.

Gooseberry, Currant, Raspberry, and Strawberry Waters

Mash either of these fruits when ripe, and press out the juice through
hair sieve, add a little water to it, and give it a boil; then filter
it through
a flannel bag, [add] some syrup, a little lemon juice, and water, to
make it
palatable, but rich, although not too sweet, which is often the fault
these; ice them the same as wine, and serve.

Ginger Beer, Unfermented

Lump sugar, 1 pound; first-class unbleached Jamaica ginger (bruised),
ounce; cream of tartar, 3/4 ounce or tartaric acid, 1/2 ounce; 2 or 3
(sliced); boiling water of sufficient quantity. Allow to cool.

Jelly Water

Put in a tumbler a tablespoonful of current jelly, and a tablespoonful
wine; mix them well together, then fill the glass with ice water. If
leave out the wine.

Pineapple Water

One large ripe pineapple, 1 pint of boiling syrup, juice of 1 lemon.
the pineapple, slice, and mash it well in a basin, then pour on the
syrup and
lemon juice; stir well and cover. Let it stand 2 hours, then filter
through a
fine silk sieve, and add a quart of spring water.

Toast Water

Toast a slice of bread very brown, break it into pieces, and pour over
it a
cupful of boiling water. When cold and sweetened it becomes a

Strawberry Water Recipe

Take one cupful of ripe, hulled berries; crush with a wooden spoon,
with the mass a quarter of a pound of pulverized sugar and half a pint
of cold
water. Pour the mixture into a fine sieve, rub through and filter till

clear; add the strained juice of one lemon and one and a half pints of
cold water,
mix thoroughly and set in ice chest till wanted. This makes a nice,
drink on a warm day and is easily made in strawberry season.

Summer Beverage Recipe

A refreshing summer beverage, which brings an involuntary grace to
lips as it is quaffed, is a fruit punch in which the pineapple plays an

important part. Put into a bowl the juice of three lemons, two oranges
sliced and
seeded, one grated pineapple and one cup sugar. Let stand for one hour
extract the juice, then press and strain. Add to this juice two quarts
of iced
water and two slices of shredded pineapple, and serve.

Summer Drink Recipes

Summer Currant Drink

Mash a few currants, and pour on them a little water, strain, sweeten,
add sufficient cold water to suit the taste, though it is best to use
currants pretty freely, and sugar, accordingly, as the acid of the
currant makes
this drink peculiarly grateful to the sick as well as those in health,

satisfying the thirst of either. Currant jelly in cold water makes a
substitute for currants, and is next to that of tamarinds, which is
undoubtedly the
best to allay the thirst of fever patients of anything known. Lemons
do very
well also.

Summer Oatmeal Drink

For the field or workshop, nourishing as well as allaying thirst. Make

oatmeal into a thin gruel; then add a little salt, and sugar to taste,
with a
little grated nutmeg, well stirred in while yet warm. This
[non-alcoholic drink
recipe] was first suggested by the Church of England leaflets put out
the farmers and others to discourage them from carrying whiskey into
the field.

Remarks. —If the above plan is too much trouble, although it is,
very nourishing and satisfactory, take the Scotch plan of stirring raw
into the bucket of cold water and stir when dipped up to drink. As
near as I
could judge, 1/2 to 1 pint was stirred into a common 12-quart pail.

Peach Water

A small cupful of dried peaches washed carefully; put them into a pint

pitcher, and pour on one pint of boiling water; cover tightly, and
when quite cold

2,455 posted on 04/27/2008 7:59:06 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Interesting blog on gardening for food and eating wild plants, in New York City, [I think].

2,456 posted on 04/27/2008 8:11:44 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Carrot Raisin Applesauce
Serves 2

4 apples
2 carrots
2 Tbs. honey
1/2 cup raisins
1/2 cup apple juice

First puree apples, then add carrots and honey. Mix
raisins, and eat hot or cold.

2,457 posted on 04/27/2008 8:25:43 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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We got our tax rebate and yesterday went to Costco.
There was no big bags of rice.
I live in Oregon. Not Portland.
No big city, just an average city.
No rice.
Food prices are rising noticeably.
And largely.
I got my pressure canner/cooker and can’t wait to try it out.
Ordered 2 Cansolidators from Costco. $59.99 for 2.
Will be ordering op seeds next.

[I found the above post a sample of todays going on’s.

2,458 posted on 04/27/2008 8:31:07 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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We found rice yesterday in Vegas.. we didnt buy any because I have loads stored.. but while it IS being limited and the shelves were light, we were able to buy it if we wanted to.

2,459 posted on 04/27/2008 8:38:21 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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A professor at CCNY for a physiological psych class told his class
about bananas. He said the expression ‘going bananas’ is from the
effects of bananas on the brain. Read on:

Never, put your banana in the refrigerator!!!
This is interesting.

After reading this, you’ll never look at a banana in the same way

Bananas contain three natural sugars - sucrose, fructose and glucose
combined with fiber. A banana gives an instant, sustained and substantial
boost of energy.

Research has proven that just two bananas provide enough energy for a
strenuous 90-minute workout. No wonder the banana is the number one
fruit with the world’s leading athletes.

But energy isn’t the only way a banana can help us keep fit. It can
also help overcome or prevent a substantial number of illnesses and
conditions, making it a must to add to our daily diet.

Depression: According to a recent survey undertaken by MIND amongst
people suffering from depression, many felt much better after eating a
banana. This is because bananas contain tryptophan, a type of protein that
the body converts into serotonin, known to make you relax, improve
your mood and generally make you feel happier.

PMS: Forget the pills - eat a banana. The vitamin B6 it contains
regulates blood glucose levels, which can affect your mood.

Anemia: High in iron, bananas can stimulate the production of
hemoglobin in the blood and so helps in cases of anemia.

Blood Pressure: This unique tropical fruit is extremely high in
potassium yet low in salt, making it perfect to beat blood pressure. So much
so, the US Food and Drug Administration has just allowed the banana
industry to make official claims for the fruit’s ability to reduce the risk
of blood pressure and stroke.

Brain Power: 200 students at a Twickenham (Middlesex) school ( England
) were helped through their exams this year by eating bananas at
breakfast, break, and lunch in a bid to boost their brain power. Research has
shown that the potassium-packed fruit can assist learning by making
pupils more alert.

Constipation: High in fiber, including bananas in the diet can help
restore normal bowel action, helping to overcome the problem without
resorting to laxatives.

Hangovers: One of the quickest ways of curing a hangover is to make a
banana milkshake, sweetened with honey. The banana calms the stomach
and, with the help of the honey, builds up depleted blood sugar levels,
while the milk soothes and re-hydrates your system.

Heartburn: Bananas have a natural antacid effect in the body, so if you
suffer from heartburn, try eating a banana for soothing relief.

Morning Sickness: Snacking on bananas between meals helps to keep blood
sugar levels up and avoid morning sickness.

Mosquito bites: Before reaching for the insect bite cream, try rubbing
the affected area with the inside of a banana skin. Many people find it
amazingly successful at reducing swelling and irritation.

Nerves: Bananas are high in B vitamins that help calm the nervous

Overweight and at work? Studies at the Institute of Psychology in
Austria found pressure at work leads to gorging on comfort food like
chocolate and chips. Looking at 5,000 hospital patients, researchers found
the most obese were more likely to be in high-pressure jobs. The report
concluded that, to avoid panic-induced food cravings, we need to
control our blood sugar levels by snacking on high carbohydrate foods every
two hours to keep levels steady.
Ulcers: The banana is used as the dietary food against intestinal
disorders because of its soft texture and smoothness. It is the only raw
fruit that can be eaten without distress in over-chronicler cases. It also
neutralizes over-acidity and reduces irritation by coating the lining
of the stomach.

Temperature control: Many other cultures see bananas as a ‘cooling’
fruit that can lower both the physical and emotional temperature of
expectant mothers. In Thailand , for example, pregnant women eat bananas to
ensure their baby is born with a cool temperature.

Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD): Bananas can help
SAD sufferers because they contain the natural mood enhancer

Smoking &Tobacco Use: Bananas can also help people trying to give up
smoking. The B6, B12 they contain, as well as the potassium and magnesium
found in them, help the body recover from the effects of nicotine

Stress: Potassium is a vital mineral, which helps normalize the
heartbeat, sends oxygen to the brain and regulates your body’s water balance.
When we are stressed, our metabolic rate rises, thereby reducing our
potassium levels. These can be rebalanced with the help of a
high-potassium banana snack.

Strokes: According to research in The New Engl and Journal of Medicine,
eating bananas as part of a regular diet can cut the risk of death by
strokes by as much as 40%!

Warts: Those keen on natural alternatives swear that if you want to
kill off a wart, take a piece of banana skin and place it on the wart,
with the yellow side out. Carefully hold the skin in place with a plaster
or surgical tape!

So, a banana really is a natural remedy for many ills. When you
compare it to an apple, it has four times the protein, twice the
carbohydrate, three times the phosphorus, five times the vitamin A and iron, and
twice the other vitamins and minerals. It is also rich in potassium and
is one of the best value foods around So maybe its time to change that
well-known phrase so that we say, ‘A banana a day keeps the doctor


PS: Bananas must be the reason monkeys are so happy all the time! I
will add one here; want a quick shine on our shoes?? Take the INSIDE of
the banana skin, and rub directly on the shoe...polish with dry cloth.
Amazing fruit.

2,460 posted on 04/27/2008 4:33:03 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Welcome to the thread.

I am glad that there was rice in Vegas, that is only a 100 miles from me, so maybe the insanity has not reached us as yet.

If there was not a shortage before, there is now in many areas, due to hoarding.

LOL, who am I to talk about hoarding, when my goal is to get folks to store food and be prepared, but to me there is a difference between the two ......

It would be interesting, if you could keep us aware of what is happening in your area, as I am a shut in and have no idea of what is on Kingmans store shelves.

2,461 posted on 04/27/2008 4:40:53 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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So, in honor of our favorite Spring edible, Kimberly has a
delicious recipe for you. It is one of our family favorites and Kimberly’s
specialty... nettle soufflé.

Nettle Soufflé

Spring has come once again, and for me that is a signal that it’s
time to integrate all these delicious wild spring greens into my
family’s diet once again. This year I’ve been doing some new things with
nettle and dandelion, and trying to find ways to get these nourishing
herbs into my children’s diet. Well, I know my son loves cheese soufflé,
and I found a recipe for nettle soufflé so I decided to try it out.
Why would I want my family to be eating stinging nettle?
Well, it is a truly amazing nourishing herb, packed with vitamins,
minerals, amino acids, and even protein. Nettle is an especially good
source of iron, phosphorus, potassium, and the B complex vitamins. Eating
nettle helps nourish our circulatory, immune, endocrine, nervous,
urinary, and digestive systems. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
There’s much more I could say, but I want to get on to this delicious
soufflé recipe.
This recipe is a combination of one from Susun Weed’s Healing Wise
and Mollie Katzen’s The Enchanted Broccoli Forest.

You’ll need:

1 1 /2 cups water

4 cups nettle tops

2 T olive oil

1 onion, minced

2 T whole-wheat flour

1 cup nettle broth

6 eggs

1 /2 cups grated cheddar cheese

salt and pepper to taste

What to do...
Preheat your oven to 375.
Start by cooking the nettle in boiling water for 5-10 minutes. Drain
well, saving the broth.

Puree nettle in blender and set aside.

Sauté onion in oil until golden.

Add whole-wheat flour and cook, stirring, for 2 minutes.

Slowly add a cup of nettle broth and cook, stirring often for a few
minutes until thick.

Set aside.
Separate the eggs, putting both yolks and whites in large separate

Beat the egg yolks with a whisk. Then add the nettle broth with
onion and mix with the yolks.
Add the nettles and cheese and whisk again.

Beat the egg whites with a hand mixer until they are stiff.

Gently mix (fold) the egg whites into the yolk mix.

Bake undisturbed for 40 minute and serve immediately after you
remove it from the oven.

It’s so fun to be able to make a beautiful soufflé. I enjoyed
eating them so much when I visited Paris in college. I was thrilled to
discover that they are not difficult to prepare. Now, adding nettle to the
mix makes them even more nourishing and delicious

“God’s Not Mad At You...No Matter What!”

2,462 posted on 04/27/2008 4:45:09 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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_Plant Oils Fact Sheet | Pesticides | US EPA_


Summary of Infromation for Plant Oils That Are Pesticide Active
Ingredients PLANT OIL
(No. of Products) USE SITES ACTIONS ON
REREGISTRATION (YEAR) Anise a (1) Ornamental plants, lawns Repels dogs
cats 004301
(8007-70-3) 1952 / 1993 Bergamot a (2) Ornamental plants, homes,
cans Repels dogs and cats 129029
(8007-75-8) 1972 / 1993 _Canola_
b (3) Food crops, ornamental
plants, houseplants Kills insects 011332
(10962-03-0) 1998 Castor (5) Ornamental plants, lawns, garbage cans
dogs, cats, wildlife such as moles, deer, rabbits, squirrels 031608
(8001-79-4) 1947 / 1994 Cedarwood a (1) Mothproofing Repels larvae of
clothes moths 040505
(800-27-9) 1960 / 1993 _Citronella_
( 30) 1) Humans and their clothing, homes, outdoor areas

2) Ornamental plants, garbage dumps 1) Repels insects and ticks

2) Repels dogs and cats 021901
(8000-29-1) 1948 / 1997 Eucalyptus a (4) Cats, dogs, humans and their
clothing, homes Repels mites; Repels specified insects, including
fleas and
mosquitoes 040503
(8000-48-4) 1948 / 1993 _Jojoba_
b (2)
[Note: May work as physical barrier] All crops Kills/repels whiteflies
all crops. Kills powdery mildew on grapes and ornamentals 067200 1996
(2) Homes, especially closets, drawers, clothes storage containers
clothes moths 040500
(8022-15-9) 1996 Lemongrass a (2) Ornamental plants, garbage dumps
dogs and cats 040502
(8007-02-01) 1962 / 1993 Methyl salicylate (5)
[Notes: Also called oil of wintergreen; may be toxic in large
Ornamental plants, indoor and outdoor residential sites (including
garbage dumps. Repels dogs, cats, moths, beetles _076601 (119-36-8) RED
df) (31 pp, 165 K, _about PDF_ ( )

1972 Mint (1) Ornamental plants in ponds with or without fish Kills
on plants (used with thyme herb) 128800
(8006-90-4) 2000 Mustard a (11)
[Note: Also known as allylisothio-cyanate] Homes, ornamental plants,
1) Repels dogs, cats, wildlife such as deer and raccoons
2) Repels and kills insects, spiders, centipedes, etc. 004901
(57-06-7) 1962 / 1993 Orange a(2) Ornamental plants, homes, garbage
Repels dogs and cats 040517
(8008-57-9) 1972 / 1993 Soybean a(2) Food and feed crops, ornamental
indoor and outdoor sites
Kills mites.
Kills beetles and other insect pests 031605
(8001-22-7) 1959 / 1993

2,463 posted on 04/27/2008 5:07:14 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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I just read that some baby bottles are being recalled, but not the details.

It is said the 7 in a triangle on the bottom of a baby bottle means it came from China, there is one available made in Germany, none from America.

2,464 posted on 04/27/2008 7:58:11 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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There is good information at these links:

2,465 posted on 04/27/2008 8:43:58 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Spacing for container grown vegetables:

2,466 posted on 04/27/2008 9:06:21 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Thanks for getting back to me the other day. I sent the info to my friend. She said if you think of anything else, please let me know.

2,467 posted on 04/27/2008 9:17:29 PM PDT by TheLion
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I found this wonderful little creature today on my Raspberry bloom.

2,468 posted on 04/27/2008 9:44:27 PM PDT by MaxMax (It's not the politics I despise, It's the politicians for being so stupid..)
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How did I miss this thread?

Anyway thanks for posting this! It will take me forever to read it all, but I will.

Would anyone be interested in a recipe for homemade grape-nuts?

I'll dig out my recipe, if someone wants it. Mucho better than anything at the store.

I am psyched about getting into my garden again.

I'm adding a new item this year, arrugula in honor of Obama. :O)

2,469 posted on 04/27/2008 9:44:50 PM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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2,470 posted on 04/28/2008 3:24:50 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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You captured God’s gift to us in one photo.

The flower of promise for the food to come and the lovely Lady to be sure it forms its fruit.

I am always so pleased to find Lady Bugs.

And Praying Mantis.

We are all brown here.

And Berries will not grow, I tried several types, but Mulberry trees will....if you order the fruiting kind from back east.

They sell the male [non fruiting] mulberry trees in Arizona by the thousands.

Thank you for sharing.

2,471 posted on 04/28/2008 3:32:00 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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You are welcome.

The post about covered my knowledge, as I never had good results with the over the counter or the prescriptions for helping the hemorrhoids. [LOL, that surely is not the correct spelling, but it is in my automatic speller corrector thingy]

I always thought that one of the ingredients in the Avon Vita Moist lotion was the key, as I have tried several hand lotions and did not find that they worked.

The Avon Rich Moisture lotion works wonders for burns and sunburns......some secret ingredient, but Avon does not sell either product for any thing except normal cosmetics.


2,472 posted on 04/28/2008 3:36:59 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: JRochelle

I’m adding a new item this year, arrugula in honor of Obama. :O)<<<

I guess I don’t know that joke.

So will give you one on me.

I planted it in the area that had been my greenhouse, think of a
‘U’ shaped are between building and next to the back of my mobile.

I like it as lettuce in sandwiches and to dip in Ranch dressing.

It grew and I pinched the leaves to keep it producing and even had a cat that sat in a chair at the table and ate the stems that I did not.

Even when I was picking it, he did not eat it, unless I picked the leaf and gave it to him.

Ginger the giant tom.....

And one day I took a good look at the weeds that were growing in the front yard.....and I found that I had had it growing wild there for years.

It disappears here with the first hot day. Simply shrivels up and that is it.

You are welcome here, that you have found us is all that is important.

Yes, there will be several of us that are interested in your homemade Grape Nuts recipe, so do please post it and any others you think we should have.

I wanted a thread on “homemade -save money- be prepared-garden- and plain survival”, so that should cover most of the important items we can think of.

We range from “still snow on the ground” to “Look what I picked today”, so America is hungry and it does not matter if there is a rice shortage or not.

Do join in, we need more posters, I am getting tired.

Many are putting in their gardens right now and getting ready to put them in.

Spring, a beautiful time of the year.

2,473 posted on 04/28/2008 3:51:38 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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[I gave a second thought to posting this one, but it is a part of knowing what survival may be needed for and is an alert to be on the alert, I have not seen it quite this strong before, rather it has mainly only been hinted at.

Homeland Security Unveils Plans To Thwart Small Boat Terror Attacks

April 28, 2008

As boating season approaches, the Bush administration wants to enlist the country’s 80 million recreational boaters to help reduce the chances a small boat could deliver a nuclear or radiological bomb along the country’s 95,000 miles of coastline and inland waterways.

According to a Wednesday intelligence assessment obtained by the Associated Press: “The use of a small boat as a weapon is likely to remain al-Qaeda’s weapon of choice in the maritime environment, given its ease in arming and deploying, low cost, and record of success.”

While the United States has so far been spared this type of strike in its own waters, terrorists have used small boats to attack in other countries.

The millions of humble dinghies, fishing boats, and smaller cargo ships that ply America’s waterways are not nationally regulated as they buzz around ports, oil tankers, power plants, and other potential terrorist targets.

This could allow terrorists in small boats to carry out an attack similar to the USS Cole bombing, said Adm. Thad Allen, the Coast Guard commandant. That 2000 attack killed 17 U.S. sailors in Yemen when terrorists rammed a dinghy packed with explosives into the destroyer. “There is no intelligence right now that there’s a credible risk” of this type of attack, Allen said. “But the vulnerability is there.”

To reduce the potential for such an attack in the United States, the Department of Homeland Security has developed a strategy intended to increase security by enhancing safety standards. The Coast Guard is part of the department.

Today, officials are to announce the plan, which asks states to develop and enforce safety standards for recreational boaters and asks them to look for and report suspicious behavior on the water - much like a neighborhood watch program. The government will also look to develop technology to help detect dangerous materials and other potential warning signs.

The United States has spent billions of dollars constructing elaborate defenses against the giant cargo ships that could be used by terrorists, including strict regulations for containers and shipping.


The Heritage Foundation ran an in-depth report on this in June of last year.

Globally, terrorists have shown an increasing inter­est in using small boats to attack military and com­mercial shipping and maritime facilities. The tactics and techniques of using commercial or non-commer­cial vessels (under 500 tons) or swimmers to emplace or deliver improvised explosive devices have proven effective and exportable. Contemporary operational practices by transnational terrorist groups include refining proven attack methods, sharing lessons learned, and encouraging others to adopt effective tac­tics. Thus, the possibility of such attacks in U.S. waters should not be ignored.

The small-boat threat needs to be addressed, but rather than focusing on this particular terrorist tactic, Congress and the Administration should invest in assets that improve the overall security of the maritime domain. The maritime sector is a large and diverse field with unique and daunting threats. Efforts should be expanded to improve U.S. situational awareness and law enforcement response rather than fixating on specific attack scenarios involving small boats or other terrorist threats.

The Small-Boat Threat

The definition of “small-boat threat” encompasses a variety of possible weapon-delivery vehicles, tactics, and payloads. Vessels include everything from large craft such as small freighters, large privately owned yachts, fishing trawlers, and commercial tugs to din­ghies, jet-skies, and submarines, including mini-sub­marines like those used by the Japanese in the attack on Pearl Harbor.

An attack could involve suicide bombers, as in the case of the attack on the USS Cole, or vessels on autopilot or remotely controlled. Improvised explosive devices could be delivered or emplaced by boats or swimmers (assisted or unassisted by breathing devices). This could involve placing a “parasite” on the hull of a craft or deploying teth­ered (anchored to the sea bottom) or untethered (floating) mines in a sea lane, waterway, or port traffic area.

Besides conventional explosives, the bombers could detonate nuclear, biological, chemical, or radiological devices. Attacks could occur while the targeted ship is docked at shore, approaching a port, sailing in international waters, or in U.S. or Canadian coastal waterways. In addition to ships, attacks could target port facilities; commercial infra­structure (e.g., an entertainment pier, bridge piling, or pipeline); or public events.

How Small-Boat Attacks Are Carried Out

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2,474 posted on 04/28/2008 5:08:01 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Arrugula is a lettuce that isn't easily found in most grocery stores.

Last year while campaigning in Iowa, Barak was complaining to a crowd about how the price of food has gone up . His example was the price of arrugula at Whole Foods.

Well the odds of anyone even knowing what arrugula is in that audience was kinda low. And in all of Iowa, there isn't one Whole Food store.

2,475 posted on 04/28/2008 5:08:03 AM PDT by JRochelle (Keep sweet means shut up and take it.)
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Earthquake Preparedness - What To Do Before, During and After an Earthquake

April 28, 2008

With the number of earthquakes increasing in several states, we offer the following information as public service. This brief guide provides information on how you can protect yourself and your family, before, during and after an earthquake.

What to Do Before an Earthquake

Earthquakes strike suddenly, violently and without warning. Identifying potential hazards ahead of time and advance planning can reduce the dangers of serious injury or loss of life from an earthquake. Repairing deep plaster cracks in ceilings and foundations, anchoring overhead lighting fixtures to the ceiling, and following local seismic building standards, will help reduce the impact of earthquakes.

Six Ways to Plan Ahead

1. Check for Hazards in the Home

* Fasten shelves securely to walls.
* Place large or heavy objects on lower shelves.
* Store breakable items such as bottled foods, glass, and china in low, closed cabinets with latches.
* Hang heavy items such as pictures and mirrors away from beds, couches, and anywhere people sit.
* Brace overhead light fixtures.
* Repair defective electrical wiring and leaky gas connections. These are potential fire risks.
* Secure a water heater by strapping it to the wall studs and bolting it to the floor.
* Repair any deep cracks in ceilings or foundations. Get expert advice if there are signs of structural defects.
* Store weed killers, pesticides, and flammable products securely in closed cabinets with latches and on bottom shelves.

2. Identify Safe Places Indoors and Outdoors

* Under sturdy furniture such as a heavy desk or table.
* Against an inside wall.
* Away from where glass could shatter around windows, mirrors, pictures, or where heavy bookcases or other heavy furniture could fall over.
* In the open, away from buildings, trees, telephone and electrical lines, overpasses, or elevated expressways.

3. Educate Yourself and Family Members

* Contact your local emergency management office or American Red Cross chapter for more information on earthquakes. Also read the “How-To Series” for information on how to protect your property from earthquakes.
* Teach children how and when to call 9-1-1, police, or fire department and which radio station to tune to for emergency information.
* Teach all family members how and when to turn off gas, electricity, and water.

4. Have Disaster Supplies on Hand

* Flashlight and extra batteries.
* Portable battery-operated radio and extra batteries.
* First aid kit and manual.
* Emergency food and water.
* Nonelectric can opener.
* Essential medicines.
* Cash and credit cards.
* Sturdy shoes.

5. Develop an Emergency Communication Plan

* In case family members are separated from one another during an earthquake (a real possibility during the day when adults are at work and children are at school), develop a plan for reuniting after the disaster.
* Ask an out-of-state relative or friend to serve as the “family contact.” After a disaster, it’s often easier to call long distance. Make sure everyone in the family knows the name, address, and phone number of the contact person.

6. Help Your Community Get Ready

* Publish a special section in your local newspaper with emergency information on earthquakes. Localize the information by printing the phone numbers of local emergency services offices, the American Red Cross, and hospitals.
* Conduct a week-long series on locating hazards in the home.
* Work with local emergency services and American Red Cross officials to prepare special reports for people with mobility impairments on what to do during an earthquake.
* Provide tips on conducting earthquake drills in the home.
* Interview representatives of the gas, electric, and water companies about shutting off utilities.
* Work together in your community to apply your knowledge to building codes, retrofitting programs, hazard hunts, and neighborhood and family emergency plans.

What to Do During an Earthquake

Stay as safe as possible during an earthquake. Be aware that some earthquakes are actually foreshocks and a larger earthquake might occur. Minimize your movements to a few steps to a nearby safe place and stay indoors until the shaking has stopped and you are sure exiting is safe.

If indoors

* DROP to the ground; take COVER by getting under a sturdy table or other piece of furniture; and HOLD ON on until the shaking stops. If there isn’t a table or desk near you, cover your face and head with your arms and crouch in an inside corner of the building.
* Stay away from glass, windows, outside doors and walls, and anything that could fall, such as lighting fixtures or furniture.
* Stay in bed if you are there when the earthquake strikes. Hold on and protect your head with a pillow, unless you are under a heavy light fixture that could fall. In that case, move to the nearest safe place.
* Use a doorway for shelter only if it is in close proximity to you and if you know it is a strongly supported, loadbearing doorway.
* Stay inside until shaking stops and it is safe to go outside. Research has shown that most injuries occur when people inside buildings attempt to move to a different location inside the building or try to leave.
* Be aware that the electricity may go out or the sprinkler systems or fire alarms may turn on.
* DO NOT use the elevators.

If outdoors

* Stay there.
* Move away from buildings, streetlights, and utility wires.
* Once in the open, stay there until the shaking stops. The greatest danger exists directly outside buildings, at exits, and alongside exterior walls. Many of the 120 fatalities from the 1933 Long Beach earthquake occurred when people ran outside of buildings only to be killed by falling debris from collapsing walls. Ground movement during an earthquake is seldom the direct cause of death or injury. Most earthquake-related casualties result from collapsing walls, flying glass, and falling objects.


If in a moving vehicle

* Stop as quickly as safety permits and stay in the vehicle. Avoid stopping near or under buildings, trees, overpasses, and utility wires.
* Proceed cautiously once the earthquake has stopped. Avoid roads, bridges, or ramps that might have been damaged by the earthquake.

If trapped under debris

Do not light a match.

Do not move about or kick up dust.

Cover your mouth with a handkerchief or clothing.

Tap on a pipe or wall so rescuers can locate you. Use a whistle if one is available. Shout only as a last resort. Shouting can cause you to inhale dangerous amounts of dust.

What to Do After an Earthquake

* Check yourself for injuries. Often people tend to others without checking their own injuries. You will be better able to care for others if you are not injured or if you have received first aid for your injuries.
* Protect yourself from further danger by putting on long pants, a long-sleeved shirt, sturdy shoes, and work gloves. This will protect your from further injury by broken objects.
* After you have taken care of yourself, help injured or trapped persons. If you have it in your area, call 9-1-1, then give first aid when appropriate. Don’t try to move seriously injured people unless they are in immediate danger of further injury.
* Look for and extinguish small fires. Eliminate fire hazards. Putting out small fires quickly, using available resources, will prevent them from spreading. Fire is the most common hazard following earthquakes. Fires followed the San Francisco earthquake of 1906 for three days, creating more damage than the earthquake.
* Leave the gas on at the main valve, unless you smell gas or think it’s leaking. It may be weeks or months before professionals can turn gas back on using the correct procedures. Explosions have caused injury and death when homeowners have improperly turned their gas back on by themselves.
* Clean up spilled medicines, bleaches, gasoline, or other flammable liquids immediately. Avoid the hazard of a chemical emergency.
* Open closet and cabinet doors cautiously. Contents may have shifted during the shaking of an earthquake and could fall, creating further damage or injury.
* Inspect your home for damage. Get everyone out if your home is unsafe. Aftershocks following earthquakes can cause further damage to unstable buildings. If your home has experienced damage, get out before aftershocks happen.
* Help neighbors who may require special assistance. Elderly people and people with disabilities may require additional assistance. People who care for them or who have large families may need additional assistance in emergency situations.
* Listen to a portable, battery-operated radio (or television) for updated emergency information and instructions. If the electricity is out, this may be your main source of information. Local radio and local officials provide the most appropriate advice for your particular situation.
* Expect aftershocks. Each time you feel one, drop, cover, and hold on! Aftershocks frequently occur minutes, days, weeks, and even months following an earthquake.
* Watch out for fallen power lines or broken gas lines, and stay out of damaged areas. Hazards caused by earthquakes are often difficult to see, and you could be easily injured.
* Stay out of damaged buildings. If you are away from home, return only when authorities say it is safe. Damaged buildings may be destroyed by aftershocks following the main quake.
* Use battery-powered lanterns or flashlights to inspect your home. Kerosene lanterns, torches, candles, and matches may tip over or ignite flammables inside.
* Inspect the entire length of chimneys carefully for damage. Unnoticed damage could lead to fire or injury from falling debris during an aftershock. Cracks in chimneys can be the cause of a fire years later.
* Take pictures of the damage, both to the house and its contents, for insurance claims.
* Avoid smoking inside buildings. Smoking in confined areas can cause fires.
* When entering buildings, use extreme caution. Building damage may have occurred where you least expect it. Carefully watch every step you take.
* Examine walls, floor, doors, staircases, and windows to make sure that the building is not in danger of collapsing.
* Check for gas leaks. If you smell gas or hear a blowing or hissing noise, open a window and quickly leave the building. Turn off the gas, using the outside main valve if you can, and call the gas company from a neighbor’s home. If you turn off the gas for any reason, it must be turned back on by a professional.
* Look for electrical system damage. If you see sparks or broken or frayed wires, or if you smell burning insulation, turn off the electricity at the main fuse box or circuit breaker. If you have to step in water to get to the fuse box or circuit breaker, call an electrician first for advice.
* Check for sewage and water line damage. If you suspect sewage lines are damaged, avoid using the toilets and call a plumber. If water pipes are damaged, contact the water company and avoid using water from the tap. You can obtain safe water from undamaged water heaters or by melting ice cubes.
* Watch for loose plaster, drywall, and ceilings that could fall.
* Use the telephone only to report life-threatening emergencies. Telephone lines are frequently overwhelmed in disaster situations. They need to be clear for emergency calls to get through.
* Watch animals closely. Leash dogs and place them in a fenced yard. The behavior of pets may change dramatically after an earthquake. Normally quiet and friendly cats and dogs may become aggressive or defensive.

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2,476 posted on 04/28/2008 5:13:08 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: JRochelle

Arrugula is a lettuce that isn’t easily found in most grocery stores. <<<

I am laughing and thinking that I did it again, changed the name of something, the weed that i planted is in the mustard family, a longish serrated leaf.

But then I disgusted my neighbors and they thought that I was nuts to pay good money to buy weed seeds for things like purslane and amaranth LOL bought several of them.

I did not have those weeds growing here, never mind that they may grow some other place....I like them.

I won’t comment on obama, and of course, I will not be voting for him.

Nothing surprises me, well some things, I had to laugh at how many of the “traditional southern food dishes” come from Africa, not a surprise, but it would be to many.

Early in the thread there are links to interesting African sites with recipes.

2,477 posted on 04/28/2008 5:22:00 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Posted by: “darjay22”
Ran out of chocolate syrup and spouse tried this recipe which was
pretty good. The hot fudge for ice cream was really good.

We got the organic vanilla used in these recipes in the form of
vanilla beans from this link for 30 cents a bean. Extremely cheap.

Chocolate syrup
2 squares unsweetened chocolate
2 cups boiling water
4 cups sugar
2 T vanilla

Pour two cups boiling water over two squares of unsweetened chocolate
slowly. Add sugar and bring to a boil and boil 3 minutes. Cool, add
vanilla. Store in fridge. ( We halved this recipe easily.)

Hot fudge sauce

2 squares of unsweetened chocolate
I cup sugar
1 cup boiling water
3 T. butter
1 tablespoon corn starch plus tablespoon water to mix
dash salt
1 tsp vanilla

Pour boiling water over two squares unsweetened chocolate,butter,
melt, then add sugar. Mix cornstarch in tablespoon of water and add
to chocolate sauce.Simmer till thickened. Add dash of salt and 1 tsp
vanilla. Refrigerate after cooling. Must be heated after
refrigeration for ice cream. However, eating it out of the jar is
pretty tasty.

southern OKlahoma

2,478 posted on 04/28/2008 5:52:05 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Sure.. Ill keep an eye out for whats going on here.

We live in Pahrump NV but we shop for bulk items in Vegas.. so thats where I go to do some of my shopping. We also have 3 grocery stores here plus a super walmart.. so I will do some poking around today in my travels to see what is going on around here.

I hear ya on the “hoarding” heh some of us preppers laugh when we hear that.. but then again I just put up another 50 LBS of rice and 50 lbs of flour in the last week alone.

Hey.. btw are you the same Az_Grammy that posts on TB2K?

2,479 posted on 04/28/2008 9:09:44 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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Hi Ruth. Trying to catch up with my pings after a month long absence. You asked about corn flour. It is nothing more than very finely ground corn meal. It can be used as breading for fried foods. I also use it in recipes as a partial substitute for regular flour. Maybe a one to two ratio.

I’ve been reading a lot about expected food shortages. I’m not too worried about that happening in our country. But I am concerned about the rising prices. As a hedge against that, we went to Sam’s Club this weekend. Bought rice,(we eat alot of it), salt, baking powder,dried pinto beans, flour, coffee, cannola oil, sugar, dried onions, powdered milk, granola bars, canned tuna and chicken, Spam (Mr. RR hates it, but I like it) dried berries, dehydrated potatoes, etc. Oh, and a very large supply of multi-vitamins.

We have our own deep well and generator for water. Also gas stored to run the generator.

If worse comes to worst, we also have lots of wild game (deer and turkey ) on our property.

I really believe we are as ready as we can possibly be for any thing that might come our way.

2,480 posted on 04/28/2008 5:45:53 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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Hints by JD:

beans - most have fairly mild taste. you can use one that matches the
of what you’re cooking, soup, stew, even muffins, and mash up a few
beans to
add to the dish. adds little or no flavor, lots of fiber and a good
bit of
protein. for chocolate chip muffins, for instance, mash up some black
peas (cooked) and add to the batter. makes the muffins look even more

dehydrating - we’ve lately been given from 5-10 lbs of apples every
while i eat at least one good apple every day, i can’t use that many
apples! we have dehydrators. we have an apple peeler/slicer/corer.
we can
fill the dehydrator with evenly sliced half moons of apple and have an
entire batch of 6-7 apples dehydrated in 4 hours. no fruit fresh,
sugar, or other flavoring needed. however, you can sprinkle the wet
with a tiny bit of cinnamon or whatever before dehydrating - not too
much as
the dehydration process will intensify the flavors. we store in mason
and zip lock bags. they are a very popular snack and good for us. i
have 2
of the apple peeler/corer/slicers as i used to sell pampered chef.
but, i
see them regularly at thrift stores. children LOVE to operate them, so
at it with your kids. apple peels also make great fried pies. wash
apples before peeling, place the peels in a bag and toss with a bit of
flour, sugar, salt, and cinnamon and wrap in pastry (or make a regular
then bake or fry the ‘pie’. yummy! cores and seeds go to the birds

want to learn a craft (or anything else) for free? check out for free downloads of books that are no longer
covered by
copyright. also, plenty of other great online sites for this -
www.about.comis a good place to start.

store cleaning supplies safely in the room they’ll be used. this makes
quick clean up much easier. i have been known to buff in the buff
because i
didn’t have to run to a closet somewhere to find the cleaning supplies
rags. stock up on the supplies when they’re on sale - or when you make
up a
big batch - and each batch will last a lot longer since you’re using
only a
small bit of each one. i’m NOT a happy housekeeper, so when the mood
strikes me, i like to have everything handy to take advantage of the
opportunity to clean up quickly.

share your food - if you cook more than you can eat of something, put
extras in a baggy, disposable container (from the thrift store or
and take to an elderly neighbor or a friend in a retirement home.
people seldom get the kind of variety in their diet that the rest of

jd in st. louis

2,481 posted on 04/28/2008 8:54:19 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Hey.. btw are you the same Az_Grammy that posts on TB2K?<<<

NO....and I rarely read there, unless a link happens to take me there.

I have limited use of my eyes, so they never last long enough to read all I want at Free Republic.

Once in a while I answer a question at one of the Yahoo Groups, but not as often as I should.

I think we should always have several months of survival supplies, have already been there and lived that one.

One morning about 10 am, my husband came home from work and said “can you take me to the doctor? I think I am having a heart attack”.

It was 2 years before he could work again. And we lived in a town of 200, with few jobs for women, I have always been thankful for my stockpiled food.

Do keep us aware of what is going on in your area, that will be as close as I come to knowing what is going on in mine.

I had a letter from an old friend today, who says he is ordering for his storage again from, also where I have shopped for storage food, Don just placed an order there in the last 6 months and if he is worried, so am I, as he is a wise man.

Laughing and thinking of his cussing letter that will come when he finds out how long it will take to get the new order from them.

During the run up to Y2K, they were up to 2 years behind on orders, the supplies simply were not to be had.

For me, when I first got sick and quit driving and relied on them for my daily food and let them know, they were shipping to me the day the order came and not even waiting for a personal check to clear......LOL, so of course, I do not bother with looking at other companies, I like their food and trust them to do the best they can.

In my wandering around on the internet, I am still finding that most of the bonus checks are being spent for food and equipment for canning.....but of course there are many who are using it to go on vacations to other countries.....

If I had to wait for a bonus for a vacation trip, I would go and camp in the back yard.

Any way that it goes, we are in for a hunkerdown year or 3.

2,482 posted on 04/28/2008 9:13:46 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Welcome back, we missed you.

I know that you will be accurate in your cooking [and other] information, while a lot of what I know, is of the “this is how I do it” type.

Now for your fresh meat supply, may I suggest a small enclosed garden, with a high fence and a large gate, which you can pull closed while the critters are eating your food, before you eat them.

With water, dried food and meat, you are indeed well prepared.

Are you hearing the locals talk about food shortages? Are they all madly shopping?

Many are using the tax bonus checks to buy food with or for the tools they could not afford for canning and drying foods.

I like rice and I know of one other Freeper that likes if, so if you care to share your recipes, we will sure be interested in them.

Thanks for any help that you have time to give.

2,483 posted on 04/28/2008 9:21:09 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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[Interesting, had you heard of it?]

Thought this might be of assistance to some on the group. I have
Catalpa trees around my home for shade and they would invariably get the
Catawba worms shortly after the leaves got big and beautiful. Here is how I
eventually stopped the problem altogether:

Boil one whole garlic bulb in four quarts of water until very mushy.
Allow to cool and dump the whole thing around the base of the tree. Do
this once every three weeks in the growing season for each tree you are
protecting and start very early. I did mine the first week in March here
in the deep south. blessings, deb in AL

2,484 posted on 04/28/2008 9:24:38 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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growing mulberry trees
Posted by: “JV”

If you want to grow from seed then just mash the fruit slightly on top
of a
pot of soil and put in a sunny window. When about 6 inches tall plant
outside and keep well watered for the first 6 months.

To grow from cuttings, take cuttings from the ends of the branches that
about 6 inches long, shove them into a bowl of mud. Keep the mud in a
or indirect sunlight location and keep it constantly damp. In about 8
start letting it dry to normal soil conditions then plant into your
Expect a couple not to make it, but most will root easily using this

Good luck, mine will be a few weeks still


2,485 posted on 04/28/2008 9:30:23 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Mullberry Juice and Mulberry Jelly Recipes
Posted by: “Marcia

Hello All, I went digging into my recipe archives for this information,
but it is great and workable recipes.

Mulberry Juice for canning

Wash perfect mulberries. Cover with boiling water and bring to a simmer
over low heat. Do not boil, but cook slowly until fruit is very soft.
Strain through a muslim bag or one made of several layers of
cheesecloth. Add sugar if desired, about 1 cup to each gallon of juice. Pour
into hot sterilized jars, filling them within 1/2” of the top. Adjust
lids and process in water approximately 180degrees F., not boiling.
Boiling will ruin the flavor of fruit juices.
Pints 15 minutes. Quarts 20 minutes.
I usually can the juice without sugar.

Tart Mulberry Jelly
from the kitchens of MCP

3 and 3/4 cups Mulberry juice- unsweetened( 3 quarts of mulberries)
1/2 C lemon juice
1 package of MCP jam and jelly pectin
5 and 1/2 C. sugar

To prepare fruit
Rinse and fully crush berries one layer at a time to let juices flow

To make jelly
Measure sugar into dry bowl to be added later. Measure Mulberry juice
into 6 or 8 qt. kettle. If short of juice, fill last cup with water to
equal exact amount. Add lemon juice. Add pectin to juice in kettle,
stir well. Place over high heat, bring to a boil stirring constantly.
Add measured sugar, mix well. Continue stirring and bring to a full
rolling boil (a boil that cannot be stirred down). Boil hard exactly
two minutes, remove from heat. Skim foam and pour into glasses. Follow
directions in pectin package for sealing glasses.

The canned mulberry juice is drinking gold in the winter. Mix with
7-up or tea for a wonderful beverage.
The jelly is a very sweet jelly. Wonderful on toast.

Mulberry trees here we come. Marcia

2,486 posted on 04/28/2008 9:32:23 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Ahh OK just wondering because one of the members over there is named AzGrammy.

Anyway I agree with you on having stored food.. some may think its nuts.. but we are well into having at the last a years worth of food AND supplies stored.

Another great resource I have found is dollar stores.. great places to stock up on soaps, bleach, cleaners, extra food and such.. people never think about them but they are good.

I too have been hearing about the shortages on storage foods.. I normally order from Emergency Essentials but they are out of some things I wanted as well. Thankfully I stocked up before hand so I am not at a total loss. I will have to check into

I will keep an eye out for whatever is going on in the stores here.. I did a quick trip to Walmart today and rice was low (they are no longer selling 20 lb bags) just 10 lbs and 1lb bags were left. Cooking oils were also pretty low and beans were wiped out.. even the large 20lb packs.

The good news is I may get to visit a Mormon cannery soon (friend is going to take me as a guest) so that will be very cool.. for extra stock.

I know where my stimulus check is going.. :) More preps!

2,487 posted on 04/28/2008 9:42:49 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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With warmer days also bring those biting insects...

Citrus De-Flea Bath
Collect a batch of citrus fruit. Oranges, lemons, grapefruit, and
limes all work, and can be tried in combination. Squeeze out the
juice. It might be a good idea to remove all of the inside pulp, but
it’s more work and not necessary.

Put all of the squeezed-out rinds in a big pot, and fill it with
water. Bring to a boil, and then turn down the heat and simmer for
several hours.

When the rinds have reached a limp, squishy state, scoop them up and
mash them in order to squeeze out as much liquid as possible. Return
that liquid to the pot, and continue to simmer for a few more hours,
allowing the liquid to cook down to some degree. Cool the liquid and
pour through a fine strainer or cheesecloth to remove the pulp.
Bottle it up and refrigerate.

In case you wind up with more than you can use in a reasonable time,
the liquid freezes well and works fine when thawed. (Remember, this
concoction doesn’t have “preservatives”.)

You may also add a quarter of a cup or so to a dog’s bathwater. The
liquid is not sticky, does not stain coats, and kills fleas on

Tick Repellant
From Annie Berthold-Bond
I dug deep in my herbal formula for this recipe out of desperation,
given that I live in the epicenter of the tick-generated Lyme disease
epidemic. I tested the essential oil that is recommended for ticks,
Rose Geranium, by putting a few drops no more! on our dogs’ collars,
to see if it would repel ticks. Lo and behold, we went from 20 ticks
a day on each dog, to none.

Simple solution:

Two tablespoons of vegetable or nut oil almond oil contains sulfur, a
repellent in its own right.

10 to 25 drops of Rose Geranium essential oil.

Combine the ingredients in a glass jar; shake to blend. Makes 2
tablespoons. Shelf life: six months. Dab a few drops on skin or
clothing, making sure to avoid eyes.

Helpful hints:

Palmerosa is a sister essential oil to Rose Geranium, and it also
repels ticks. It is cheaper, and sometimes easier to find, than Rose
Geranium. Another good repellent that also worked on our dogs is
feeding them garlic pills on a daily basis.

Flea Killer
This is not a flea control; it just kills fleas on contact. Put ¾ to
1 inch of rubbing alcohol in the bottom of any size jar. Add a tiny
bit of Dawn dish detergent. Pour warm water into job to top and mix
together. Apply this to a DRY dog and work into a lather. Rinse. All
fleas will be dead. Use cream rinse on dog after bathing.

Mosquito Remedy
We have no idea why this one works, but people swear by it. Put some
water in a white dinner plate and add a couple of drops of Lemon
Fresh Joy dish detergent. Set the dish on your porch, patio, or other
outdoor area. Mosquitoes flock to the dish and drop dead shortly
after drinking the mixture usually within about ten feet of the dish.

Lets not forget about the great new Mosquito Remedy Listerene

2,488 posted on 04/28/2008 10:21:09 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Jim from made a cordwood house. So did Rob Roy from

2,489 posted on 04/28/2008 10:22:25 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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To: eXe

Another great resource I have found is dollar stores.. great places to stock up on soaps, bleach, cleaners, extra food and such.. people never think about them but they are good.<<<

We have 2 of the dollar stores and I try to not buy food from them.

My sister came last month and almost all the dollar store foods were over the hill and not eatable.

She threw out 3 jars of mayonaise that were not that old, one only a month or so and also salad dressings, you could smell that they were rancid.

But I do like their cola at 50 cents for a 2 liter bottle.

Yes, do visit the Mormon cannery, you will benefit from it.

I have not been to one, but my Mormon friends over the years kept me up to date and ordered for me.

Many people will be buying foods and that is good, now to get them to cook them and use them.

I have a total Walton fan, I found them by accident.

Ten years ago, had a program called Voyeur, it displayed the last requested ‘searches’ on their search engine.

LOL, I learned that fools think they can hide the fact that they are looking for porn with lady like words and more phrases than even I knew existed for porn.

But it also had all the ‘other’ searches and I was new to the internet and learning how to get around.

Someone searched for ‘bulk storage food’ , and I clicked to see what it was they were searching for.

Fell in love with Walton’s how to pages and links.

Then set out to check them out and found that they are linked in most Mormon sites and LOL, also found good Mormon cooking group and placed an order with Walton’s.

I have never been sorry and they will fix it if there is a mistake.

Once, I ordered a bag of sliced dehydrated potatoes, they were out and as a substitution, they shipped me the potatoes in 25 cans, many times the cost of what I had ordered and a real blessing, as some are still here, safely sealed, waiting their turn.

I mainly order the bags of things at Walton, as I am not able to buy the super storage foods, except the ones that I used daily.

Stay safe and keep alert.

2,490 posted on 04/28/2008 10:39:26 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Let Starbucks help your garden grow Coffee grounds can provide a valuable source of nutrition for your garden if used properly. The proper amount to be used depends on the condition of the soil and, more specifically, what you are growing in your garden. Check with your local gardening expert to see what is best for your situation. Here are a few general tips.

Applying coffee grounds directly in the garden Coffee grounds can be applied along with other materials as a side dressing for vegetables, roses, and other plants. Coffee grounds are high in nitrogen, but are also acidic. Adding brown material such as leaves and dried grass to the mulch will help keep a balanced soil pH.

Mixing coffee grounds in your compost Coffee grounds act as a green material with a carbon-nitrogen (C-N) ratio of 20-1. They make an excellent addition to your compost. Combined with browns such as leaves and straw, coffee grounds generate heat and will speed up the composting process.

Using coffee grounds in a worm bin: Worms fed with coffee grounds combined with other materials will flourish.

For more information about composting, here are a few helpful Web sites: (US Composting Council) (Composting Council of Canada)
What’s in Coffee Grounds? Starbucks commissioned a study in 1995 to better understand the make up of the organic matter we call coffee grounds. The following is the result of an analysis of our used coffee grounds performed by the University of Washington College of Forest Resources:

Primary Nutrients
Secondary Nutrients
Nitrogen 1.45%
Phosphorus ND ug/g
Potassium 1204 ug/g

Calcium 389 ug/g
Magnesium 448 ug/g
Sulfur high ug/g

ND = indicates sample is below detection limit
ug/g = microgram / gram

Granny Note:

The Yahoo Group that had this link, talked about how they go into the Starbucks store and ask for the used grounds, it appears that Starbucks saves the grounds for farmers and gardners.....

2,491 posted on 04/28/2008 10:44:01 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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I just bought another dehydrator - for that very reason granny.

When those ten pound bags of potatoes go on sale, I buy one, slice the potatoes (unpeeled) in the Cuisinart rinse them off, soak them in fresh water with lemon juice (to prevent browning) and dehydrate them.

They are then ready for cooking. Re-hydrate them in a bit of boiling water for ten minutes, or bake them in a scallop potato dish.

Yummm. And they are available at any time - any year.

2,492 posted on 04/28/2008 10:45:30 PM PDT by yorkie (God Bless our Heroes in Iraq and around the world)
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[adorable photo of Raccoon doing laundry]

Critter Control

You know, as gardeners, we want to have our cake and eat it too. We love wildlife. Indeed, we have our little garden ponds with goldfish and frogs, our birdfeeders and birdhouses. We love Nature, and we do enjoy the wildlife that comes to call. We don’t like it, though, when the creatures like our places so much that they start viewing our flower beds, plants, and vegetable gardens as the equivalent of a salad bar. I am no different. When we first moved out here from town, we put in a vegetable garden with corn and other goodies. The cottontail rabbits made short order of the beans and other veggies while the raccoons set their sights on the corn. Needless to say, we harvested very little produce that year.

This isn’t a problem just for rural gardeners, either. When we lived in town, we still had rabbits, chipmunks, and the occasional raccoon who would raid the veggie patch and other plantings. Birds would strip the cherry crop, if we would let them. Every wild thing enjoyed the strawberries. Squirrels, crows and starlings would decimate the birdfeeders. I am sure you all have had similar experiences. What can we do?

First of all, despite all our efforts, there will still be some losses. You can keep a dog out back patrolling the place, but sooner or later Fido will be coming indoors, he won’t be out there 24/7. You can spray to your heart’s content, but something invariably will be poached from your plantings. The goal will be to minimize damage, and to prevent as much decimation as possible. Without further adieu, let’s explore some tactics to keep the varmint damage down to a minimum:


Now I feel sorry for deer. I really do. With all the expansion that has been going on between commercial businesses, new housing developments, and other urban sprawl, much of the natural habitat has diminished for these lovely creatures. Definitely, all of their natural predators are pretty much a thing of the past as well. Many states have instituted special deer hunts on public lands and parks that before were protected habitat for deer because of population increases and pressure on the environment. Even though these efforts have been very successful, deer are becoming an increasing problem with home owners in town as well as in the country.

It’s controversial, but one way people handle deer is to place a feeding station for them. It has to be maintained, though, through good and bad weather, and it can become an expensive proposition if there are a lot of deer in the area. The controversy about this is that it might possibly be illegal in some localities, it is interfering with the natural flow and cycle of the deer, and this can override the deer’s natural foraging activities and will keep them in the area longer than they might normally be.

If you aren’t that dedicated or wild about intervening and having the deer at your place in any way, shape or fashion, there are other alternatives that can be used.

Deer Sprays And Other Deterrents

—You can always mix up a batch of eggs, raw of course, and add water to them. While a half-dozen or so eggs are relatively cheap, when blended with water and sprayed on desirable plants, it will act as a deterrent to deer. It will need to be reapplied after overhead watering or rain, though.

—Another way to keep deer at bay is to scatter human hair clippings in the garden.

—Deer do not like the scent of soap or aftershave. Perhaps this is why hunters avoid using any scented toiletries before they go out deer hunting. So, this is one that might be easier on the nostrils than the rotten egg approach!

—Hang small bars of soap from the branches of trees and shrubs. You can either hang them in panty hose, or you can poke holes into the bars of soap, run twine through them, and tie them about twenty feet apart on branches of trees and shrubs. You can also hang soap from stakes placed every few feet around plants in the perennial boarder. The beauty of using scented soaps is that they will retain their odor for a long time, and do not need to be reapplied after every rain.

—Another smelly deterrent which is also good for the garden is to use a kelp and fish emulsion spray on ornamentals:

Mix 1 tablespoon of kelp, 1/3 cup of fish emulsion, 1 tablespoon of liquid hand soap, and 1 tsp. of hot sauce together into one gallon of water. Spray on plants every week or after a heavy rain. This one is also good for deterring insect pests as well, and will feed your plants to boot!

Plant A Deer-Proof Garden

Perhaps this is a bit misleading, but it does seem that most deer do not like the following plants. I say this is misleading since someone out there reading this will be sure to comment that the deer ate some of these listed plants, anyway! This list is of the plants that MOST deer will avoid. If deer cannot find other forage, they will resort to eating some of these plants; however, if other food sources are available, most deer will leave the following plants alone:

Mints of all types
Obedient Plant
Beebalm or Monarda
Cone Flower
Liatris or Blazing Star
Lamb’s Ears
Lemon Thyme
Butterfly Weed
Mexican Oregano

Squirrels and Chipmunks

Not only do squirrels and chipmunks raid ground feeders and, in the case of squirrels, pole and tree feeders, they also can cause considerable damage to plants and bulbs. There are a few deterrents and planting strategies that can be used to deter them and minimize the damage caused by these critters:

—Chipmunk & Squirrel Repellent: Mix 3 tablespoons of cayenne pepper into very hot water, about a quart. Strain into a spray bottle. Add a teaspoon of a mild soap to the spray, and spray plants. This will need to be reapplied after watering overhead or after a rain.

—Spread used kitty litter around ornamental plants only. This one might work at deterring squirrels and chipmunks, but might also attract any outdoor cats who might be lurking around. So, only use this on ornamentals and only if there are no cats in the area.

—Planting Potion: Take 1/3 ounce of hot sauce, 1/2 teaspoon of liquid soap, 2 teaspoons of cayenne pepper powder, 1 crushed garlic clove, and add to a pint of water. Allow this to brew for about a half hour, then strain into a spray bottle. You can spray plants, tree trunks, and also spray into planting holes when you plant new bulbs in the fall. If you apply this to above ground plants or trees, it will need to be reapplied after a rain.

—For Birdfeeders: Mix in crushed, not ground, fresh cayenne pepper with the seed mix.

—Place chicken wire over bulbs when planting, about an inch or so above the bulbs and before backfilling with soil.

—Plant daffodils if you have a terrible problem with squirrels and chipmunks. They will not eat daffodil bulbs.

—Plant crown imperials in your bulb plantings. These bulbs reputedly repel rodents and other small digging animals.

—Apply squirrel baffles to feeders.

—Try to use a good quality squirrel-proof feeder that will tip the squirrel out of the feeder when they attempt to raid it.


Raccons are opportunistic animals, and are omnivorous by nature. Think of all the foods we as humans consume, and they will eat it all, plus pet food and plants and some unmentionable “foods” as well. They commonly cause problems in the vegetable garden and in garbage cans. Believe me, even with a large garbage can, raccoons can get into them and wreak havoc! There is nothing so unpleasant as picking up trash that is strewn around the yard after a visit from these nocturnal marauders. Here are a few tips:

—To keep raccoons out of garbage cans, pour a cop of household ammonia over the trash.

—Wrap a two or three foot wide piece of of sheet metal around the trunks of fruit trees. Position these strips about two feet above the ground to create a raccoon baffle.

—Plant cucumbers among your other plants. Raccoons do not like cukes.

—Spread a boarder of lime around your garden perimeter. About a two feet wide. Since raccoons are meticulous animals, they do not like to tread on lime.

Rabbits and Mice

Rabbits can quickly destroy a vegetable garden or prized tulip bed. They love plants nearly as much as we do! Mice can also be a problem, especially in the winter. If you do not have a cat or dog patrolling your yard, you might wish to try a few of these remedies:

—Rabbit and Mouse Scatter Spray:

1 small bottle of hot pepper sauce or 5 tablespoons of fresh ground cayenne pepper.
1 gallon water
1 teaspoon mild liquid detergent such as dishwashing detergent

Spray plants liberally. Reapply after rain or overhead watering.

—Moth Balls, the safe way: Place moth balls in a plastic container, such as a margarine tub. Cover it, poke holes in the container and lid, and tuck under plants. The smell will last a long time, and acts as a deterrent to rabbits, mice, and other four-legged creatures while being unavailable to pets. You can also sink these into the ground just to the rims, and punch holes only in the top, then barely cover with just enough mulch to hide them. This will prevent over-curious kids or pets from investigating the contents of the containers.

—Blood Meal: Sprinkle blood meal liberally around planting areas. Reapply after rain or overhead watering.

—Chicken Wire: Extend chicken wire fencing from about 12 inches below a garden area to about 2 feet above the area. Be sure it is a fine-mesh so small mice cannot get in.

—Tree Wrap: Wrap trunks of young trees in the late fall before the snow falls to keep mice and rabbits from stripping the bark from young trees. You can also spray trees with planting potion that is listed above for squirrels.


—Place Juicy Fruit gum in mole runs

—Place chocolate Ex-Lax in mole runs

—Blend 1 Tbsp castor oil with 2 tbsp. liquid soap, blend so this is about the consistency of shaing cream. Add 5 or 6 Tbsp of water and blend some more. Add 1 Tbsp to 1 gallon of water. Poke holes in the run at every few feet, and pour into the holes. Water this in after applying.

—Take human hair clippings and poke holes in the run and place the clippings.

—If you have a cat, take the used litter (urine, feces, and all), and poke holes in the run and add the used litter with all its goodies down into the run, every few feet.

—Take cheap perfume or aftershave and pour into the run.


While birds are among our most welcome visitors to the garden, and are usually more friend than foe, at times even these beneficial animals can be a bother. Here are some ideas:

—To deter larger birds from raiding bird feeders, buy feeders that will only allow small birds to feed.

—Apply bird netting over cherry and other fruit trees. This works when the trees are smaller. This will also work in berry patches and with blueberries.

—Place metal strips in trees to twirl and reflect light. It won’t deter all of the feeding on fruit trees, but it will minimize the amount of crop losses.

—Just before fruit ripens, place an artificial owl or eye scarecrow or two in your trees. If placed too early, the birds will get used to it. The idea is to simulate a predator.

—If you have the room for it, plant a self-fruitful variety of mulberry tree on the back side of your property, away from seating areas. Mulberries are messy, but birds prefer to eat mulberries over cherries. Both ripen at about the same time.

Cats ‘N’ Dogs

I have owned both cats and dogs. Or, dogs and cats, if you prefer. They are wonderful companions to have around, but make lousy visitors to gardens. I actually had a watermelon-eating dog once, so not only does Man’s Best Friend leave calling cards and holes all over the place, he can develop a liking for some produce, it would seem! As for cats, the surprises often come when someone goes out to plant a few new prized flowers or whatever in the garden. Some cats feel that gardens are giant litterboxes, and this can be a most unpleasant experience, believe me! Here are a few ideas to keep Fido and Fluffy at bay:

Keep Diggin’ Dogs at bay:

If your dog is digging, he is usually following his natural instincts or is bored. Keep in mind that a dog parked out in the backyard all day is going to have to entertain himself in some way, so provide him with other diversions as well!

Spray the holes and other areas of the yard with the following:

—Cayenne Pepper Spray:

one whole garlic, crushed
1 hot onion, chopped
1 quart of hot water
2 teaspoons of crushed cayenne pepper (fresh)
2 tablespoons of hot sauce

Mix, allow to steep for about four or five hours. Spread on areas where dogs trample down plants when they lie down, compost heaps, ornamental plants, or where dogs like to dig or plants they use as urinals.

No Cats or Dogs Allowed!

—Place brambles or other clippings of roses and other thorny plants down around flower beds to deter them from resting in your flower beds, or to keep them from digging.

—Cats detest the smell of citrus. Place orange or other citrus peels around flower beds to deter cats from resting in plantings or digging.

These are a few ideas of critter control. There will always be visitors, welcome and unwelcome, to the garden. The trick is to prevent as much damage as possible while living in peaceful co-existence with these animals.

2,493 posted on 04/28/2008 11:56:47 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Rhubarb Sauce

Serves 4

4 cups / 1 L rhubarb (chopped)

1/2 cup / 125 ml honey or 1 cup / 250 ml sugar [Pat’s Note: We use 1/2
sugar for this amount of rhubarb.]

1 tablespoon tapioca

1 teaspoon ground cinnamon (optional) [Pat’s Note: I’ve never put
in rhubarb, will give it a try.]

Combine. Let stand for 10 minutes or until some juice forms. Heat
slowly to
boiling. Cool and serve over ice cream. Or try stirring in sliced
strawberries or raisins and serve for breakfast or as a side dish, in
of applesauce.


2,494 posted on 04/29/2008 4:33:48 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Good for you, once the gardens start producing, you will keep them both going.

I like my dehydrated zucchini for all soups and it keeps well.

You are using your potatoes as I do.

How you will enjoy the efforts you are putting into your dehydrator, I did.

It was a surprise to find that I liked the dehydrated greens...LOL

I did spinach, swiss chard and some of the weed leaves.

All can be brought back or tossed dry in the soup pot.

2,495 posted on 04/29/2008 4:40:50 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Growing Herbs
Posted by: “Karolyn Thanks God!”

Herbs- time to add a few new ones to my garden- so, as I come across
sites- will be sharing them.
* General info:
Growing Herbs in the Home Garden

Adapted from Pub. NE 208 published by the Cooperative Extension
Services of
the Northeast States
History of HerbsDefinition, Number, and Types of Herbs Available
Herbs for Beginning GardenersOutdoor Herb Culture Tips
Indoor Herb GardeningDrying Herbs
Herb Description, Culture, Harvesting, and Use
Savory (Summer)Savory (Winter)SpearmintTarragonThyme

* Medicinal herbs:
It is their catalog- but gives good info on all sorts of herbs.
* Have fun checking these links out: (http://WWW.crimson-sage
100 Top Gardening Sites - Rating the most interesting gardening sites
gardening community links.
Agricultural Research Service - one of the world’s premiere scientific
American Botanical Council - Promoting the responsible use of Herbal
American Herb Association - promoting understanding and ecological use
Medicinal Herbs and Aromatherapy.
Barn Owl Nursery - Barn Owl Nursery is a home-based business
specializing in
American Herbal Pharmacopoeia - Promoting responsible use of Herbal
American Herbalist Guild - Organization of Herbal Practitioners.
Christopher Hobbs - Honoring the plants and traditions of herbal
Dave’ Garden - Gardeners sharing triumphs and dilemmas in gardens and

Doctor Andrew Weil - Trusted Health Advisor.
Doctor James Duke - Dr. Duke’s Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical
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Herb Research Foundation - Science-based information of health benefits
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Herbal Therapeutics - Ayurvedic Herbal Pharmacy.
J L Hudson.Com - Great seed company.
Michael Moore - Southwest School of Herbal Studies great herbal
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North American Institute of Medical Herbalism A quarterly journal of
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2,496 posted on 04/29/2008 5:01:03 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Dakota Battered Fish

Yield: 4 Servings

Cattail flour
Bullhead, perch or
Cattail leaves

Have the cattail flour on hand, gut and filet the bullhead or not ,
depends on if you have the time, filets cook faster. dust the filet
with the flour, put some wild onions between the 2 sides add some
salt if desired then wrap the cattail flour dusted filet in some
cattail leaves that you have loosely woven and set the filet on the
side of the fire on some clean rocks or if you have tightly woven the
weaves you can set them in hot ashes, You can also fry the fish
directly on the hot cooking stones, for doing it that way dont skin
or scale the fish just gut it , just dust the eggs of the fish with
cattail flour put them inside the fishs body cavity and add some wild
onions and wild mushrooms if desired and toss on the hot rock and let
sizzle on both sides till desired doneness.

2,497 posted on 04/29/2008 6:48:01 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Id’s and comments on the bugs we live with.

2,498 posted on 04/29/2008 6:57:30 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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[It is worth taking a look at the photo of his growing setup..granny]

Diary of a Sub-irrigated Vegetable Box Garden


Bruce in Chicago did a public service by creating a diary on the blog Daily Kos. He included a lot of very valuable information about personal food production using sub-irrigated vegetable boxes in an urban location.

He grows vegetable on his garage roof but this could just as well be on a ground level paved area. All you need is about 6 hours of sunlight. Check it out. I also found the comments revealing.

Posted by Greenscaper Bob on April 22, 2008 at 07:41 AM in Rooftop & Pavement Gardening_ | Permalink

The link for above article/blog is very interesting, of the many hints there for growing in earth type containers, he says that the normal store bought potting mix is not an option, as it will not ‘wick’ properly......

[a snippet of the article]

But there are sweeter reasons to plant that garden, to bother. At least in this one corner of your yard and life, you will have begun to heal the split between what you think and what you do, to commingle your identities as consumer and producer and citizen. Chances are, your garden will re-engage you with your neighbors, for you will have produce to give away and the need to borrow their tools. You will have reduced the power of the cheap-energy mind by personally overcoming its most debilitating weakness: its helplessness and the fact that it can’t do much of anything that doesn’t involve division or subtraction. The garden’s season-long transit from seed to ripe fruit — will you get a load of that zucchini?! — suggests that the operations of addition and multiplication still obtain, that the abundance of nature is not exhausted. The single greatest lesson the garden teaches is that our relationship to the planet need not be zero-sum, and that as long as the sun still shines and people still can plan and plant, think and do, we can, if we bother to try, find ways to provide for ourselves without diminishing the world. Read the complete article...

Posted by Greenscaper Bob on April 21, 2008 at 01:58 PM in Rooftop & Pavement Gardening_ |

[He also has made pop bottle planters, self watering, click around there are several pages on them, interesting.

2,499 posted on 04/29/2008 10:36:42 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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Info on making a self waterer of your earth box:

Excellent container gardening ideas:

[Next, an excellent inverted planter, plans and photos to make your own]

Inverted Indoor Gardening

Like many people I enjoy gardening and growing houseplants. While my wife and I have a large garden during the summer months I have often thought about how it would be nice to grow things such as tomatos and beans indoors during the winter months. Now I could have the floors lined with even more pots and planters than I do now but as much as my wife likes the movie I don’t think she would appreciate the house having that little shop of horrors decor.
The logical choice for my indoor gardening is 1: container and 2: hanging. So after doing a few searches on the net I had come across a few options. There were of course the usual hanging planters that are really nothing more than a regular pot with strings tied to a ceiling hook. These really didn’t appeal to me due to previous experiences where the water of flowed down through the soil and filled the overflow basin at the bottom. Another option is hanging inverted planters which have been around for a very long time. Some in a much older design made from terra cotta in a traditional mexican style and a newer one made of plastic that had internal foam spacers for dirt/water containment.
This naturally put my mind into make it myself mode. Wow, that’s a lot of m’s. Whenever I get one of my project “ideas” I start drawing different options in paint. I wanted it to be a conical-type container for water retention purposes. After drawing a few designs the one I decide on was to use a inverted 2 liter soda bottle with a few modifcations to make it better suited for planter use.

Attention! This page and plans contained herein are to provide a background of my IPlanter and the concepts involved. If you plan on making one please use my new improved method for construction which can be found here.

Here is my final drawing and the steps leading to it. Below that you will see the actual photos of building the planter.

The links in the last link, need a good checking....good info here. granny..........

2,500 posted on 04/29/2008 11:06:45 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( SURVIVAL, RECIPES, GARDENS, & INFO)
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