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Pookie's Toons?

Posted on 04/22/2008 2:36:44 PM PDT by 8roundclip

What happened to Pookie's Toons?


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1 posted on 04/22/2008 2:36:44 PM PDT by 8roundclip
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To: 8roundclip

Copyright issues.


2 posted on 04/22/2008 2:37:59 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Vote for McCain but trust in the Lord)
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To: 8roundclip
See this farewell thread.
3 posted on 04/22/2008 2:40:24 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: meanie monster

tunes=toons...DOH!


5 posted on 04/22/2008 2:41:54 PM PDT by meanie monster
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I saw firsthand how he and another FReeper were having issues regarding his copyrighted toons. That FReeper made points that only an insider would know.

Pookie challenged her and she fessed up. She was a Moderator who just happened to be posting as an ordinary FReeper.


6 posted on 04/22/2008 2:52:25 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: Responsibility2nd
He still has posting privileges right?
7 posted on 04/22/2008 2:56:06 PM PDT by meanie monster
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To: meanie monster

As far as I know, he does.

He just will not/can not post his toons as he did before.


8 posted on 04/22/2008 2:59:59 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: Responsibility2nd; meanie monster
Yes, I can & do still post here on occasion...just decided that I didn't want to get into an argument that I couldn't win...

I did post a thread re cartoonist Michael Ramirez winning the Pulitzer Prize. Ironically, his cartoons were among several that the mods deleted from my last couple of threads...


9 posted on 04/22/2008 3:11:27 PM PDT by pookie18 (Of course I'm voting for the Republican nominee!)
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To: pookie18

For myself, I’m sorry it happened, Pook. Come back to us with your talent when you can...


10 posted on 04/22/2008 3:25:05 PM PDT by Old Sarge (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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To: Old Sarge

Thanks, Old Sarge! I miss posting the toons here as well. OTOH, I don’t miss the selectivity, hypocrisy, etc., of some of the mods & others. The mods at the other sites where I post are friendly, helpful, out in the open, etc. Will FReepmail you with more info because I don’t recall if I have already :-(


11 posted on 04/22/2008 3:30:26 PM PDT by pookie18 (Of course I'm voting for the Republican nominee!)
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To: pookie18; moder_ator

OOps, I didn’t know I could not put a link to that site. I am sorry.


12 posted on 04/22/2008 3:35:24 PM PDT by meanie monster
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Gosh I am having a bad typo day....lol


13 posted on 04/22/2008 3:36:56 PM PDT by meanie monster
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To: pookie18
I don’t miss the selectivity, hypocrisy, etc., of some of the mods

You were violating copyright restrictions forced on Free Republic by the courts. Sorry if you think we violated your freedom of speech but the copyright lawsuit cost FR a huge amount of money. Do you want to pay for the next lawsuit?

14 posted on 04/22/2008 3:39:42 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Not going to take the bait...you’ll either delete my comments or ban me...


15 posted on 04/22/2008 3:42:26 PM PDT by pookie18 (Of course I'm voting for the Republican nominee!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"She was a Moderator who just happened to be posting as an ordinary FReeper."

And she hasn't lost her posting privileges? Seems like abuse of power to me.

16 posted on 04/22/2008 3:52:40 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: pookie18
you’ll either delete my comments or ban me...

Nah, we’ll just leave up your comments as the words of someone who fails to grasp the fact that FR fought the good fight and lost over fair-use copyright issues. And that the suit cost a lot of money and effort. And that ever since, many media outlets have directly contacted FR to request limitations on what can be posted here, and a large chunk of the workload for the moderators (with a lot of help from most freepers) is making sure that such restrictions are adhered to in order to prevent a lawsuit that could shut FR down.

Apparently, you also seem to think that the moderators, who are volunteers, are somehow being capricious and arbitrary in their enforcement of those myriad requests, when it took a couple of mods several hours to wallow through one pookie18 thread’s worth of cartoons to ferret out all those in violation of copyright issues. The only reason it had not been done before is precisely because of the effort level and that the mods had not realized just how many of the cartoons you posted were in violation of the requests from media outlets - such as IBD not allowing FR to post Ramirez cartoons.

And that is the problem - you were exposing FR to any number of potential lawsuits. You are free to determine which cartoons are allowed to be legally posted on FR and post those. Oh, that’s a lot of work! Just dump it on the mods! And blame them for protecting FR from lawsuits!

17 posted on 04/22/2008 4:26:04 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: mass55th

Nope. I just checked.

She is still FReeping away. And still kicking butt on others.


18 posted on 04/22/2008 4:26:18 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: mass55th
And she hasn't lost her posting privileges? Seems like abuse of power to me.

Yeah, heaven forbid mods ever post under their own screen names and state the obvious (or what should be obvious) regarding copyright restrictions.

19 posted on 04/22/2008 4:28:11 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Responsibility2nd
She is still FReeping away. And still kicking butt on others.

And putting in a lot of volunteer hours helping keep FR legal and in adherence to JimRob's guidelines.

20 posted on 04/22/2008 4:30:24 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Why so defensive? Can’t people here have a simple conversation without the mods butting in and flooding the lousy thread with repetitive comments? Someone simply asked where Pookie’s Toons was. The next thing you know the thread is hijacked by the mods to justify their actions. Can we just stop this nonsense already? Leave it be.


21 posted on 04/22/2008 4:39:14 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: mass55th
Why so defensive? Can’t people here have a simple conversation without the mods butting in and flooding the lousy thread with repetitive comments?

We'll keep repeating the core issue here - copyright restrictions and the legal problem posters who flaunt such represent to the health of FR - as long as it takes for certain persons to finally get the point.

Or maybe you just want to bash the volunteer FR mods without us having the opportunity to present our side of the story. Well, there are plenty of places for that.

22 posted on 04/22/2008 4:44:25 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: mass55th
The next thing you know the thread is hijacked by the mods to justify their actions.

So tell us, then - what would you do with a poster who refused to adhere to copyright restrictions? And who made a big stink over moderator requests that they do adhere to such?

We did not ban anyone. We simply took the necessary steps to protect FR from legal jeopardy. And for that, we get a raft of nonsense. For doing a volunteer job.

23 posted on 04/22/2008 4:46:18 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator
you also seem to think that the moderators, who are volunteers,

I get it, the Freepathon is just to keep you guys in Beer and Pizza.

Really, It's a thankless job.

24 posted on 04/22/2008 4:49:48 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: Doomonyou
I get it, the Freepathon is just to keep you guys in Beer and Pizza.

Except the beermeister in the mod lounge is busted and the pizza delivery guy never shows up because it's in a seedy neighborhood.

Other than that, the bennies are great.

25 posted on 04/22/2008 4:51:31 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Responsibility2nd
She is still FReeping away. And still kicking butt on others.

What is the mod's name that you keep referring to? You're throwing mud at someone who can't defend themself because none of the mods know who in the heck you're talking about.

All the mods have been freeping for years and we are allowed to freep using our own names. Being a mod does not mean we can't freep and when we do freep, we're not trying to fool anyone. We've all been freepers much longer than we've been mods.

26 posted on 04/22/2008 4:52:11 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; Jean S

Jean S.

Look at the inflammatory posts she had with Pookie last month. And when she was outed as a Moderator, she backed off.

I found that questionable.


27 posted on 04/22/2008 4:55:41 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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"Or maybe you just want to bash the volunteer FR mods without us having the opportunity to present our side of the story. Well, there are plenty of places for that."

What bashing? And are you intimating a threat to me?

28 posted on 04/22/2008 4:57:07 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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IAnd are you intimating a threat to me?

Dude,

You begging for a ZOT or what?

LOL!

29 posted on 04/22/2008 5:00:14 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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To: mass55th
What bashing? And are you intimating a threat to me?

No threat - just saying there are plenty of places on the Internet where folks can rip into the FR moderators without having them respond back.

But FR is not one of those places, for some strange reason.

30 posted on 04/22/2008 5:02:31 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Doomonyou

I’m not a Dude, and I’ve been a member and donor to FR since 1997. This thread didn’t need to be taken in this direction, but it was...by the mods.


31 posted on 04/22/2008 5:05:10 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

I don’t really know Pookie or the fight in question but speaking as someone who got a one year ban (thus I doubt anyone would confuse me with a moderator).

I think you’re reply was quite reasonable and explained to me precisely FR’s position.

Thank You.


32 posted on 04/22/2008 5:08:21 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: mass55th

Check out the new headline.

Pimping it good, eh?


33 posted on 04/22/2008 5:09:16 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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Pookie’s Toons? (LIVE THREAD! The martyrdom saga continues.)

Title change is a classic!


34 posted on 04/22/2008 5:09:24 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: mass55th
This thread didn’t need to be taken in this direction, but it was...by the mods.

There is a fair amount of what moderators do that is a judgement call. Is a post a personal attack? Was it provoked? Is a comment racist or just non-PC?

But copyright and excerpt issues do not fall into that category. They are black and white. For posters to get after the moderators for enforcing requests from media sources regarding what is allowed on FR is wrongheaded. To complain about a mod posting under their real screen name to back up what should be blatantly obvious about copyright restrictions is wrongheaded as well. But apparently a few people seem to think that FR should flaunt excerpt requests. If they want to pony up the legal fees up front, hey, go for it. Until then, the FR policy stands. And for damn good reason.

35 posted on 04/22/2008 5:11:59 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator
"No threat - just saying there are plenty of places on the Internet where folks can rip into the FR moderators without having them respond back."

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. But I have a question. Why do the mods feel it necessary to even comment in a thread like this? The job is to moderate right? Not get involved in the discussions taking place? I didn't feel that the comments made on this thread were of the nature that would require the mods to take notice.

36 posted on 04/22/2008 5:12:42 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Who changed the headline? The mods?


37 posted on 04/22/2008 5:15:47 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: wardaddy
Thanks, wardaddy. I can see beefs from posters about judgement calls regarding moderation. But this isn’t one. The terms are dictated to us by suits in corporations.

And the mods GREATLY appreciate posters who mash abuse to help prevent lawsuits - such as finding that Getty image in reply 1,145. That exceeds the attention span of the average sidebar moderator by 1,140 posts.

38 posted on 04/22/2008 5:16:01 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: mass55th

They’re the only ones who can, so.....


39 posted on 04/22/2008 5:16:46 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: mass55th
Why do the mods feel it necessary to even comment in a thread like this?

There was a lot of gnashing of teeth and caterwauling over this issue. Some people tried to claim it was personal or capricious or arbitrary. It was not. This is about pure legal CYA for FR. And quite frankly, the mods are puzzled that a few people (not you) are having trouble with that underlying concept.

40 posted on 04/22/2008 5:17:46 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Responsibility2nd

A little bit of hypocrisy I’d say.


41 posted on 04/22/2008 5:18:51 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: mass55th
A little bit of hypocrisy I’d say.

More like a case of someone (who wasn't even involved in the previous episode) calling it like it is.

42 posted on 04/22/2008 5:21:55 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: mass55th
I didn't feel that the comments made on this thread were of the nature that would require the mods to take notice.

(Yet another Mod dips a finger in this one. I'm sure I'll regret it.) Who else could have answered that perfectly reasonable question? Being mysterious about this would serve nobody's interests, not Pookie's, not anyone on FR. So one of us explained the issue. I'm sorry if that alarms anyone but it's the most reasonable approach, I think.

The issue is copyright violations. It can turn FR dark, it really can.

43 posted on 04/22/2008 5:22:08 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: mass55th

Hey, they’ve got an axe to grind against Pookie. And they hold the power to hijack threads by changing headlines, so....

Remember the Golden Rule.


44 posted on 04/22/2008 5:22:20 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
"More like a case of someone (who wasn't even involved in the previous episode) calling it like it is."

Wrong. It's called abusing the power of the position. Pretty pathetic.

45 posted on 04/22/2008 5:25:48 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Hey, they’ve got an axe to grind against Pookie. And they hold the power to hijack threads by changing headlines, so....

Axe to grind? Asking that Pookie not jeopardize FR by posting many cartoons that violate FR excerpt guidelines is an axe to grind? And then countering claims by some that the moderating in question is somehow arbitrary and capricous is an axe to grind?

This is not a judgement call. This is legal black and white. This is serious stuff that could shut FR down.

Maybe that's what you'd like to see. That's about the only logical reason I can see why someone would take your position here. If you give a damn about the legal health of FR, it is illogical to back deliberate copyright violations.

Remember the Golden Rule.

Except that we don't have any gold - we get no pay. We just put in several hours a week because we give a damn about this site.

46 posted on 04/22/2008 5:27:50 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Responsibility2nd

It’s sad. In one short thread and headline, I’ve lost all respect for the mods. They’ve shown themselves to be very petty.


47 posted on 04/22/2008 5:28:25 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway” ~~ John Wayne)
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To: mass55th
Wrong. It's called abusing the power of the position. Pretty pathetic.

Oh, spare me the sanctimonious spew. Given that pookie18 is basically demanding the right to put FR in continuous legal jeopardy by posting any damn restricted cartoon that pookie pleases, I'd say a bit of ridicule present in a headline change is pretty mild sanction.

48 posted on 04/22/2008 5:29:31 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: mass55th
It’s sad. In one short thread and headline, I’ve lost all respect for the mods. They’ve shown themselves to be very petty.

Oh, that's gonna keep me up all night...

49 posted on 04/22/2008 5:30:05 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Listen. Pookie lost. He took his toons elsewhere. Yet you see fit to post a snarky headline as if to boast about your triumphs?

I’ve never stated here or anywhere that you were wrong to make your position. I agree with you, OK. But the headline change is petty and tacky.

And my point about the Golden Rule? Let’s just say that you make the rules here, and this headline is proof of your power.


50 posted on 04/22/2008 5:34:45 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Typical White Person)
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