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Freerepublic ^ | 6/27/2008 | raybbr

Posted on 06/27/2008 2:27:03 PM PDT by raybbr

I have an older computer that I have cleaned out of W2000 Pro. I tried loading a version of XP Pro that I have on this machine. MS wants $269 for an additional key. I am not willing to pay that.

I am currently downloading Ubuntu and would like to put Linux on this box. It has an Athlon XP with a gig of memory and no video card.

I don't plan on any gaming or high end computing. Just photo editing, video editing and web surfing.

Do I need Ubuntu or is there something else smaller and simpler I can use?

Also, what can I use to wipe XP off and start over? Will the installation disk of Ubuntu do that?

Thanks in advance, Ray.


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To: Knitebane
It's loading the ISO on a DVD right now. How do I get rid of XP on the machine? When Ubuntu loaded it asked me questions about the drives. I have two physical drives. One 50 gig and the other 200. I loaded XP on one partition of the 200 gig. Someone else said Ubuntu would ask about formatting the drives but it didn't. The partition screen is kind of vague about what it's asking.

Now that I have the Studio ISO on a dvd will it load over the other Ubuntu?

51 posted on 06/27/2008 6:20:44 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Ubuntu loaded and is running fine it seems. I haven’t used any real graphics heavy apps but the games it came with look ok. It’s on a cheap monitor for now.


52 posted on 06/27/2008 6:24:43 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
The partition screen is kind of vague about what it's asking.

Yeah, it gives several options.

The first option is almost always the one you DON'T want.

It preserves your previous install, whether Ubuntu or Windows.

Generally the second option down that says something like, "Guided - Use the entire disk," is what you want.

There will other options like that, with LVM or encryption but you probably don't need that. Just use the basic "Use entire disk" and that will wipe everything else on the drive.

53 posted on 06/27/2008 6:28:12 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: raybbr
Now that I have the Studio ISO on a dvd will it load over the other Ubuntu?

You don't have to re-install to get Studio. You can do this:

Open a terminal. On Ubuntu (gnome) Select Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal

Inside the terminal type:

sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop

There are ways to do that with the GUI, but that's fastest.

Then log out. Select the Big Red Buttion at the top right and hit Log Out.

When you go to log back in click on Options at the bottom left and change your desktop to Studio.

(I think. I don't have one in front of me.)

54 posted on 06/27/2008 6:33:43 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

This machine is not hooked up the net yet. In fact, I have to install the wireless PCI card. I hope the drivers will work on Ubuntu.


55 posted on 06/27/2008 6:38:01 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
In fact, I have to install the wireless PCI card. I hope the drivers will work on Ubuntu.

That's going to depend on the hardware.

Here's a list of supported hardware...

Wireless Cards Supported

And here's the definitive documentation on getting wireless to work on Ubuntu.

WiFi HOWTO

56 posted on 06/27/2008 7:23:19 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: raybbr

As far as the video card goes, your machine is an Athlon XP so probably AGP 2x or 4x. You can get decent used video cards for that incredibly cheap on eBay or other places for under $40, like an nVidia 6 series with 128 MB RAM. Stick with nVidia cards since ATI cards didn’t play well with AMD machines back then.


57 posted on 06/27/2008 7:41:58 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: raygun
Google WinXP Pro SP2 Student Edition on the internet. You should be able to get it for about $100. If you know a student, they can get it for free from MS Dream-bla-bla-bla (something or another) program. That would allow them to download an IDO image which needs to be burned to a CD. That disk effectively becomes a legit bonafide installation CD.

I'm a student, and I get all sorts of free stuff from Microsoft's DreamSpark program, as well as through the IEEE Computer Society, but I have never heard of a student edition of Windows XP (though there is an academic retail box license you can buy), and I don't remember Microsoft giving away Windows XP client licenses, though I do get access to Server.

58 posted on 06/27/2008 7:52:04 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("Facts are stubborn things." –Ronald Reagan)
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To: raybbr
Oh, just in case you have trouble with the WiFi hardware...

I have found that anything using the RT chipset "just works."

Edimax uses the RT chipset almost exclusively.

So that's all I buy.

As a bonus, Edimax tends to be rather inexpensive too.

59 posted on 06/27/2008 7:55:52 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: rabscuttle385; raygun

Actually, I omitted something. The IEEE Computer Society’s student program gives me free access to both Vista Business and XP Professional, in 32-bit and 64-bit flavors! Woohoo!


60 posted on 06/27/2008 8:03:19 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("Facts are stubborn things." –Ronald Reagan)
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To: Knitebane
WiFi HOWTO

I can't open a terminal to check the settings. I can't load the terminal tools. It tells me the "manufacturer" (me) is not allowing it. This is not going to be easy.

61 posted on 06/27/2008 8:08:04 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Knitebane

It’s a Linksys. It model is listed on the site you linked.


62 posted on 06/27/2008 8:09:40 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Actually, I omitted something. The IEEE Computer Society’s student program gives me free access to both Vista Business and XP Professional, in 32-bit and 64-bit flavors! Woohoo!

Ummmmm..... Feeling generous?

63 posted on 06/27/2008 8:10:43 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Knitebane

If your wifi card isn’t supported by Linux.

Rather than go through the (steep) learning curve installing non-Linux drivers.

Go to any major electronics store, and buy the cheapest USB wireless thumb drive you can buy. Basic generic.

It will probably work.


64 posted on 06/27/2008 8:12:45 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (CHEVY VOLT COUNTDOWN: V minus 106 Weeks. Waiting...)
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To: antiRepublicrat

His motherboard has a PCI-E slot....you can get cards at a reasonable price though.,


65 posted on 06/27/2008 8:14:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: raybbr

Great....what about sound?


66 posted on 06/27/2008 8:15:46 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: raybbr
It’s a Linksys. It model is listed on the site you linked.

You should be okay then.

67 posted on 06/27/2008 8:18:53 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: raybbr
Ummmmm..... Feeling generous?

The student license for XP non-transferable.

If you're going to get an illegal copy of XP, just get one from Pirate Bay

68 posted on 06/27/2008 8:21:41 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Haven't hooked up any speakers yet. Still trying to get on the net.

Got to go to bed.

69 posted on 06/27/2008 8:22:16 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

Do yourself a big favor. Get a new computer (I suggest the Dell Outlet Center) with Vista Home Premium already installed. That’s what I did eight months ago on my three home computers and never looked back. You can download free OpenOffice and it will work just fine with Office files.

If you listen to all of the Vista bashers you will think this is an operating system created by Satan himself. It is total bulloney. Vista works fine.

I turned around and sold my four year old XP computers for what I had put into brand new Dell computers with the proper hardware and have never regretted it.

I went through the dual boot mode and Ubuntu and in the end I asked myself why I wanted to put myself through agony for no good reason. Linux is not for the average user and there are no advantages that I can see except for the masochists who just like to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

My $0.02.


70 posted on 06/27/2008 9:23:09 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: Knitebane
The student license for XP non-transferable.

If you're going to get an illegal copy of XP, just get one from Pirate Bay

Yeah..., Y'know there might possibly be just a smidge bit of difference in the wisdom of using a genuine copy of XP that is illegal solely because the license doesn't allow transferral between parties, and installing and using a copy downloaded from pirate sites that could have any number of keyloggers etc in it. 

Kinda like there's a difference between having your brother pretend he's you to pick up your medication, and buying your pills from a guy named "Domino" down on the corner of fifth and MLK Blvd.



71 posted on 06/27/2008 9:36:34 PM PDT by MichiganMan (So you bought that big vehicle and now want to whine about how much it costs to fill it? Seriously?)
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To: Nailbiter

ping for later read


72 posted on 06/28/2008 12:57:29 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: Knitebane; Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have loaded Mint over the Ubuntu. It’s working too. Still having wifi problems. I have been through the Mint forums and not getting any real solutions.

Mint knows the card it there. It just won’t connect to my wireless router. I used the Windows wireless drivers tab to load the .inf file for the Linsys card.

Not sure I really have the time to make this a project. I thought it would be simpler. I am going to try to connect the PC to a cable to the router.


73 posted on 06/28/2008 6:57:20 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

http://www.linuxmint.com/wiki/index.php/MintWifi#Broadcom_43xx


74 posted on 06/28/2008 8:01:18 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=12609


75 posted on 06/28/2008 8:07:47 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
I used the Windows wireless drivers tab to load the .inf file for the Linsys card.

Ah. This is the difference between using native drivers and using ndiswrapper.

ndiswrapper is a hack to let Linux use Windows drivers. It works, but only for small values of work.

If you want full support, like WPA, you need to use a card that uses native drivers.

ndiswrapper doesn't support encryption on every card that it "supports."

76 posted on 06/28/2008 1:36:16 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

I posted a thread on the Mint forum.

http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=14222&p=88033#p

Take a look and tell me what you think.

Ray


77 posted on 06/28/2008 2:40:28 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
Yeah, fairly common.

There are two different kinds of wireless under Linux.

Native and ndiswrapper.

ndiswrapper works, sort of. It uses a wrapper around Windows drivers.

Native drivers use their own drivers and tend to implement all of the required features.

ndiswrapper is a quick hack to get some functionality out of a wireless device.

You can spend a lot of time trying to get hardware working with ndiswrapper.

Or you can use fully supported hardware like the RT series of chips.

I like this one.

78 posted on 06/28/2008 2:54:24 PM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane
I like this one.

Allright. I ordered the card. I hope you will be around when it comes to help me out. Thanks again.

Know anyone who need a Linksys Wifi card for $35?

79 posted on 06/28/2008 4:11:24 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: rabscuttle385

That does happen.

Enjoy!


80 posted on 06/28/2008 5:37:52 PM PDT by raygun
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To: raybbr

WShy would you want to get rid of tha (other thsn it NOT being “Netgear”.

But still.


81 posted on 06/28/2008 5:40:33 PM PDT by raygun
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To: rabscuttle385

That’s the ONE!!!!!

DreamSPARC

I would never have thunk of that.

Dude.

I’m ON it.


82 posted on 06/28/2008 5:44:17 PM PDT by raygun
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To: Knitebane
The student license for XP non-transferable.

True, but the student-priced Office 2007 Ultimate license obtained through Microsoft's The Ultimate Steal program for about $60.00 is most definitely transferable, as it's a FPP retail license.

Of course, around here, folks are using Open Office, so it's not particularly applicable.

83 posted on 06/28/2008 6:01:17 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("Facts are stubborn things." –Ronald Reagan)
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To: raybbr
i don't know if this would be useful but here is a link:

Linux Mint 5
June 28, 2008.. Review

*******************EXCERPT**********************

It’s been a while since I did a technological (read: geek) blog, so I thought I would update you on what’s going on.

As you are aware, I am a full-fledged geek by trade and passion and I have gone from Windows to Mac to Linux.  My Linux evolution went from Linspire to Mepis to PCLinuxOS to Ubuntu.  I stayed with PCLinuxOS and Ubuntu for the longest.  However, I have always read good things about another distribution called Linux Mint.  It’s based on the latest Ubuntu release but with a lot of add-ons.  The latest version is called Linux Mint 5, Elyssa.  So, at the office, I downloaded the latest iso and tried it out to see how it all worked.

First of all, there are always some things I keep in mind when trying any new Linux distro, the primary thing being, ‘How would the average user feel about using this OS?’  ‘Is it (very) simple to install?  Is it easy to use?  Is it easy to get help?  Is it easy to add or remove applications?  Is the terminal (command line) used a lot?’  In my opinion, all of these are valid questions, especially if I am looking to recommend an open source alternative to proprietary software or hardware.  Which I am always looking for. 

84 posted on 06/29/2008 11:57:29 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Ernest. (How do you surf from the beach?)

Mint Elyssa is up and running with one exception - wi fi. I have started a thread http://www.linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=14222&sid=58626d18664a2a68bfe5481dbecfa91a that has been very educational.

I like the OS very much. It's a learning curve to get the full functionality. I LOVE the terminal function.

Anyway, take a look and see if anything strikes you. Ray

85 posted on 06/29/2008 12:55:13 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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“what can I use to wipe XP off and start over? I always use magnets.


86 posted on 06/29/2008 12:58:08 PM PDT by isom35
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To: raybbr

Looks like folks that know what they are doing on that thread....


87 posted on 06/29/2008 1:53:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: Knitebane

Amen... :D
hehe


88 posted on 06/30/2008 2:13:20 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: RichardW

I agree. I dumped XP on this machine to install Vista (x64) and have had NO problems in the last year.

As a matter of fact, on my Dynabook (laptop), it had Japanese XP Home installed, but didn’t come with a CD... I went back to the store and asked (I was having problems and wanted to reinstall).. and they told me that the licensed XP Home was ON THE HD!?!? (wtf!?) I had to hit some function key or another during boot to get to it.

I decided I wanted to install an English version of XP PRO instead.. so I did. SO many problems with the drivers since it was a laptop AND had a Japanese keyboard. I gave up and went ahead and reinstalled the Japanese version of XP Home.. :/

THEN I installed VISTA and everything fell into place on its own! no problems whatsoever, although I spent 2 days searching the web for a graphics driver for that model I had (4 years old now)... Japanese support sites are NOT the friendliest.. had to go through about 15 web pages to be able to finally be able to download the latest driver (All Japanese.. mostly kanji X( )

As for Linux... I’ve been wanting to mess with it for a few years... but the limitations on games (I’m an extreme gamer) has held me back. If I get around to setting up my spare AMD system, I might play around with it.. not sure wich one yet though.


89 posted on 06/30/2008 2:21:24 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for that info... I am DLing the torrent now :D


90 posted on 06/30/2008 2:25:55 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: Bikkuri; raybbr
Distro Watch Weekly just out... has an interesting ?Feature Story:

Package management (by John Frey)

***********************EXCERPT Intro**************************

A few weeks ago on DistroWatch there was some debate about package managers. I think you will agree that we can never know too much about package management. I have done some research and would like to share some of what I have learned.


What is a package?

The first thing we need to know is, what is a package? There are two ways to install software. The first way is to get source code and compile it on your system.

********************snip*********************

The 2nd way is to get and install a package. A package contains source code pre-compiled and packaged as a binary installation file (executable). It may include icons, libraries, configuration files, binaries, man pages, desktop shortcuts, header files, fonts, etc. In addition, it may contain meta data, such as version information, package maintainer and software authors' names and contact information, licensing, changelogs, READMEs and web location for the project and source code. Each package format has a file structure for storing data and is compressed. When the package is executed, it uncompresses the data and copies all the files from the package into the file system of the operating system, creating symbolic links where needed, putting start-up links in the menu and on the desktop, and sometimes giving configuration options to the user.

Packages are distribution and version-specific as the location for dependencies may vary between distributions and between versions of a distribution. Sometimes it is possible to download and install software the Windows way by just clicking on the package, provided it is compatible with the operating system.

91 posted on 06/30/2008 9:44:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: raybbr
From your original post:

I don't plan on any gaming or high end computing. Just photo editing, video editing and web surfing.

Was just looking at this distro ....:

Grafpup

Got some Bird photos with a new SONY Alpha2 Digital camera I want to see what I can do with improving.

***********************EXCERPT Intro **********************

Grafpup is a compact distribution containing the Linux kernel and various Open Source and freeware programs. It is especially well suited towards graphic artists and other imaging proffessionals but has many other tools available as well. Grafpup has been loosely based upon Puppy Linux, which is a creation of Barry Kauler. However, there are a lot of unique features which set it apart both from it's parent and most other Linux distributions.
    Grafpup strives to provide a complete workflow for the digital artist, from beginning to end. As such along with the major graphics applications like Gimp and Inkscape you will also find a variety of support programs and extra features. Color management is enabled for all applications that support it, and there is a basic selection of color profiles included in the standard install. For those doing photographic work there is almost complete support for raw image formats via both dcraw and the ufraw plugin (both Gimp and Cinepaint), as well as the gtkam utility for directly connecting a wide variety of cameras. Scribus and Abiword take care of publishing needs, and Gutenprint provides a wide range of printer drivers.

92 posted on 06/30/2008 10:28:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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To: raybbr

It’s not 100%, but you can find a guide to PSP on Linux here:

http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=psp8

If you invest in Crossover Office (http://www.codeweavers.com), you’ll find that running a lot of Windows applications is a lot easier. Photoshop CS2, for instance, works very well.

I recently switched my main computer to Linux and I’ve never been so happy with my setup.

If the program doesn’t run, it’s VERY simple to set up a virtual copy of XP inside your Ubuntu with Virtualbox, which is also free to use. So, you can have the best of both worlds.


93 posted on 07/01/2008 5:19:05 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Jindal/Palin 2012)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
If the program doesn’t run, it’s VERY simple to set up a virtual copy of XP inside your Ubuntu with Virtualbox, which is also free to use. So, you can have the best of both worlds.

I downloaded Ubuntu and tried to connect via wireless. No luck. I downloaded Mint and that's running fine but still no wireless.

I ordered a new wireless card but am considering loading Linux Studio over the Mint.

Linux is fun the learning curve is very shallow. I can navigate my way around any Windows machine but I feel like a baby mouse in Linux.

I can't run XP on this machine. The XP I have came with only one license. That's why I'm putting Linux on. To get a second machine but I don't want to pay for another XP license.

94 posted on 07/01/2008 5:41:46 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr

You may want to try Xubuntu. It runs just as well as Ubuntu but uses the lightweight Xfce desktop environment as opposed to Ubuntu’s GNOME desktop environment. I don’t recommend any of the 8.04 releases because it’s impossible to add new users or manage groups using the Users & Groups GUI program. Hopefully Xubuntu 8.04.1 fixes that. If it does, then I’ll recommend Xubuntu 8.04. If you’d like an even lighter desktop environment, then go for Linux Mint 4,0 Fluxbox Community Edition (uses Fluxbox, which is VERY lightweight), OzOs (uses the latest builds of Enlightenment E17, which is very lightweight but as a very nice look), or gOS Ultimate E (remastered version of gOS Rocket E that I have on my laptop right now...I love it).


95 posted on 07/03/2008 7:28:41 PM PDT by bigdcaldavis ("Screw Kahlifornia. Gimme Kolinahr." - Me)
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I have since installed Mint Elyssa. It works pretty good. I have the PC in the basement and haven’t had a lot of time to hook up speakers and test it out. It took a few days to get the wi-fi up and running.


96 posted on 07/04/2008 9:12:48 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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