Skip to comments.Battery Breakthrough?
Posted on 07/19/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
Electrical-energy-storage unit (EESU) utilizing ceramic and integrated-circuit technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries
IS THIS A HOAX? IS THIS FOR REAL?
"The cityZENN is planned to be a fully certified, highway capable vehicle with a top speed of 125 kilometres per hour (78 mph) and a range of 400 kilometres (250 mi). Powered by EEStor, the cityZENN will be rechargeable in less than 5 minutes, feature operating costs 1/10th of a typical internal combustion engine vehicle and be 100% emission-free at the point of use. The Zero Emission, No Noise cityZENN will be designed to meet the transportation requirements of a large percentage of drivers worldwide.  It is due to be launched in Fall 2009. Also according to Ian Clifford a normal household outlet with 110 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 4 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range and a normal household outlet with 220 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 2 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range. CityZENN target price is around $25000 - $30000."
The above link is long and dry and very technical. If this is not a hoax, it sounds HUGE! Why is there no media coverage?
heard of this?
The best question is how did Detroit get left out of this one... Every little Ma/Pa store could have its own five-minute charger so that gas stations might ultimately be eliminated but you’d still need the electricity to run America’s motor vehicles and likely have to start building reactors so that dems would still oppose it.
There have been threads here on both the battery and the car. Don't think any were started by me.
Someone wants that $300 million prize money McCain promised for a better battery.
I can’t wait till we try to figure out how to recycle or dispose of all these batteries.
They probably have a small capacitor working. Let’s see them scale it up to the size they need and make is safe.
You didn’t read it all did you? These batteries don’t wear out...EVER!
That’s what they claim anyway.
Also, NO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS whatsoever.
Lockhead has signed on for exclusive rights to use the capacitors for military and homeland defense uses.
So...is it a hoax? No. Is it likely to be as they desire, a mass produced easy to use capacitor system that will power the cars of the future? Eh; doubt it from how it looks right now. I’ve never yet seen a company unable to produce a technological example prior to being able to mass produce the same item. Since they won’t produce one for previews (and mind, if Zenn had one of these puppies to demonstrate, orders would be /flying/ to them right now...), my guess is that we’ll see this on Lockhead’s financial statements in ten years.
Heck no I didn’t read it. I just respond to headlines : )
Kinda like a perpetual motion machine, huh? I will believe it when they have working vehicles on the street and batteries to demonstrate to the public.
Batteries are all bad.
I am in the test phase of the wind powered car Ive designed. The biggest problem so far is that all bridges crossing the roads are too low. The 150 pedestal and the 75 diameter blades just dont do well with the 16 average bridge. It is also a little top heavy which makes curves very dangerous.
I called Al Gore about this and next week he will announce that we need to rebuild all bridges and raise all utility cables cross roads to 250 in 5 years. And all roads will be in a straight line.
I am also developing a fart powered rocket to put Al Gore on the moon by 2010. Not because its easy but because its necessary.
The patent number does not come up on a search at USPTO.GOV which is the address of US Patent and Trademark office.
It’s the renowned Flux Capacitor
|a normal household outlet with 110 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 4 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range
Somebody tell me what's wrong with this math:
A "normal household outlet" providing 20 amps at 110 volts gives us a maximum of 2200 watts, which is the equivalent of about 3 horsepower. It takes 4 hours to charge the car, and at 60 mph it takes 4 hours to drive 250 miles, which discharges the car. Therefore during the drive, the motors can provide no more than 3 horsepower. This for $25,000 to $30,000.
What is the source of electrical power used to recharge these guys?
More like a super capacitor than a battery. This could make all batteries obsolete including the super-heavy batteries guys use for trolling motors.
I don’t think any body is planning to charge the things with 110 or even 220 volt lines... hey claim charging from real stations equipped for it will be a five minute operation.
They will have to put some kind of noisemaker on the vehicle. Maybe baseball cards in the spokes.
We've already figured that one out. It's called recycling, and is done currently for the large lead-acid batteries currently used in cars and trucks (and elsewhere). As I recall, something like 90+% of the lead for batteries is recycled.
> Someone wants that $300 million prize money McCain
> promised for a better battery.
Then they’d better read the fine print on that deal.
I can’t imagine that they get the $300 mil AND the
usual 20 yr patent-granted exclusive rights.
No such patent number.
FRAUD, HOAX, LIE,
> Why is there no media coverage?
Since when does the media cover anything that doesn’t
forward their agendas?
Anyway, if this is for real (and even the ever iffy Wiki
has doubts), the energy density is only 10% of gasoline’s.
“Moon is a Harsh Mistress” —— Tanstaafl.........
I have heard of attempts to use slow leak capacitors as batteies
controlled, slow leak, slow discharge, like a battery
Press Release Source: Altair Nanotechnologies
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Considering the cute names and the fact that pretty much all these claims are scams, I’m going to say it’s a scam.
The technology is backed by some respectible names. The biggest problem is that they are about two years late in promised delivery deadlines.
The are experts in the field that swear a capacitor of this density is imposible but there are always established experts that claim what they cannot do is imposible.
At this point, I am dubious but I would love to see this technology work.
Keep in mind, the range they give is with the car traveling at about 30 mph. Actual range will be substantially less.
The cool thing is you could make a serial hybrid using a very small turbo diesel engine and a small supercapacitor that would drive like a supercar and get miliage better than the smallest econobox.
LOL..Good one..But your search efforts would likely work out better if you searched for ‘Super Capacitor Battery’ instead. :o)
I would say that when the say “normal houshold outlet” they really mean a super duper special custom install job done by a certified electrician that uses a typical 3 prong plug and maybe 10ga wires.
Or maybe they mean they fully charge the battery from an initial 50% charge.
Or maybe a little of both.
This is very close to the charging scenario of my electric motor scooter (Oxygen Lepton), with an 1,800 watt motor and 48 volt battery bank. Top speed is 28 mph, which is fine for around my neighborhood, with a range of 20-30 miles. I tend to feel that an automobile with a comparable power plant would be underpowered and capable of somewhat less than 60 mph. /understatement
Is that kinda like a cargasm?
Sure it does:
( 1 of 1 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- United States Patent 7,033,406 Weir , et al. April 25, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Electrical-energy-storage unit (EESU) utilizing ceramic and integrated-circuit technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries Abstract An electrical-energy-storage unit (EESU) has as a basis material a high-permittivity composition-modified barium titanate ceramic powder. This powder is double coated with the first coating being aluminum oxide and the second coating calcium magnesium aluminosilicate glass. The components of the EESU are manufactured with the use of classical ceramic fabrication techniques which include screen printing alternating multilayers of nickel electrodes and high-permittivitiy composition-modified barium titanate powder, sintering to a closed-pore porous body, followed by hot-isostatic pressing to a void-free body. The components are configured into a multilayer array with the use of a solder-bump technique as the enabling technology so as to provide a parallel configuration of components that has the capability to store electrical energy in the range of 52 kWh. The total weight of an EESU with this range of electrical energy storage is about 336 pounds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inventors: Weir; Richard Dean (Cedar Park, TX), Nelson; Carl Walter (Austin, TX) Assignee: Eestor, inc. (Cedar Park, TX) Appl. No.: 09/833,609 Filed: April 12, 2001
The patent number did not come up. I have found many patents of some really interesting stuff. One guy invented a magnetic motor that put out 1200 watts of power with no known input. It was an interesting story.
Sorry about that.
well let’s just say this does work and works good.The @$$hat fed and states are going to have to introduce some friggin’ HUGH and SERIES tax to make up for their “lost” revenues...............
What’s wrong with your math is that you didn’t include the DBM factor. Adding that increases the charging rate by whatever you need to make it work.
It defended you from using it!!!
Yeah, I have had a few of their updates that were bad mistakes. They probably turned off a script the USPTO was looking for. Somehow, their TIF Viewer for the patent figures no longer works on this machine. It does on the others, including the Linux machines, though.
Harry Reid sez, “Batteries make us sick”.
Well I guess I misspoke
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