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Battery Breakthrough?
US patent 7033406 ^

Posted on 07/19/2008 2:47:21 PM PDT by mamelukesabre

Electrical-energy-storage unit (EESU) utilizing ceramic and integrated-circuit technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries

IS THIS A HOAX? IS THIS FOR REAL?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: autos; batteries; ceramics; eestor; eesu; energy; patent; transportation
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEstor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZENN

"The cityZENN is planned to be a fully certified, highway capable vehicle with a top speed of 125 kilometres per hour (78 mph) and a range of 400 kilometres (250 mi). Powered by EEStor, the cityZENN will be rechargeable in less than 5 minutes, feature operating costs 1/10th of a typical internal combustion engine vehicle and be 100% emission-free at the point of use. The Zero Emission, No Noise cityZENN will be designed to meet the transportation requirements of a large percentage of drivers worldwide. [3] It is due to be launched in Fall 2009. Also according to Ian Clifford a normal household outlet with 110 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 4 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range and a normal household outlet with 220 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 2 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range. CityZENN target price is around $25000 - $30000.[4]"

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7033406/description.html

The above link is long and dry and very technical. If this is not a hoax, it sounds HUGE! Why is there no media coverage?

1 posted on 07/19/2008 2:47:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

bfl


2 posted on 07/19/2008 2:49:55 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: decimon

heard of this?


3 posted on 07/19/2008 2:51:18 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

The best question is how did Detroit get left out of this one... Every little Ma/Pa store could have its own five-minute charger so that gas stations might ultimately be eliminated but you’d still need the electricity to run America’s motor vehicles and likely have to start building reactors so that dems would still oppose it.


4 posted on 07/19/2008 2:53:30 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: mamelukesabre
heard of this?

There have been threads here on both the battery and the car. Don't think any were started by me.

5 posted on 07/19/2008 2:53:51 PM PDT by decimon
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To: mamelukesabre

Someone wants that $300 million prize money McCain promised for a better battery.


6 posted on 07/19/2008 2:55:06 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: mamelukesabre

I can’t wait till we try to figure out how to recycle or dispose of all these batteries.


7 posted on 07/19/2008 2:57:33 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: mamelukesabre

They probably have a small capacitor working. Let’s see them scale it up to the size they need and make is safe.


8 posted on 07/19/2008 2:57:41 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: mamelukesabre
Here is one thread.
9 posted on 07/19/2008 2:58:08 PM PDT by decimon
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To: mamelukesabre
Here's your wiki hot link for the battery ...

And your wiki hotlink for the car

10 posted on 07/19/2008 3:00:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

You didn’t read it all did you? These batteries don’t wear out...EVER!

That’s what they claim anyway.

Also, NO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS whatsoever.


11 posted on 07/19/2008 3:00:42 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Lockhead has signed on for exclusive rights to use the capacitors for military and homeland defense uses.

So...is it a hoax? No. Is it likely to be as they desire, a mass produced easy to use capacitor system that will power the cars of the future? Eh; doubt it from how it looks right now. I’ve never yet seen a company unable to produce a technological example prior to being able to mass produce the same item. Since they won’t produce one for previews (and mind, if Zenn had one of these puppies to demonstrate, orders would be /flying/ to them right now...), my guess is that we’ll see this on Lockhead’s financial statements in ten years.


12 posted on 07/19/2008 3:01:56 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Bull poopy.

Heck no I didn’t read it. I just respond to headlines : )


13 posted on 07/19/2008 3:02:09 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: mamelukesabre
You didn’t read it all did you? These batteries don’t wear out...EVER! That’s what they claim anyway. Also, NO HAZARDOUS MATERIALS whatsoever.

Kinda like a perpetual motion machine, huh? I will believe it when they have working vehicles on the street and batteries to demonstrate to the public.

14 posted on 07/19/2008 3:03:43 PM PDT by calex59
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To: mamelukesabre

Batteries are all bad.

I am in the test phase of the wind powered car I’ve designed. The biggest problem so far is that all bridges crossing the roads are too low. The 150’ pedestal and the 75’ diameter blades just don’t do well with the 16’ average bridge. It is also a little top heavy which makes curves very dangerous.

I called Al Gore about this and next week he will announce that we need to rebuild all bridges and raise all utility cables cross roads to 250’ in 5 years. And all roads will be in a straight line.

I am also developing a fart powered rocket to put Al Gore on the moon by 2010. Not because it’s easy but because it’s necessary.


15 posted on 07/19/2008 3:06:07 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: mamelukesabre

The patent number does not come up on a search at USPTO.GOV which is the address of US Patent and Trademark office.


16 posted on 07/19/2008 3:07:16 PM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: mamelukesabre

It’s the renowned Flux Capacitor


17 posted on 07/19/2008 3:07:41 PM PDT by FrankR (Liberalism is Communism by the drink - P.J. O'Roarke)
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To: mamelukesabre
a normal household outlet with 110 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 4 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range

Somebody tell me what's wrong with this math:

A "normal household outlet" providing 20 amps at 110 volts gives us a maximum of 2200 watts, which is the equivalent of about 3 horsepower. It takes 4 hours to charge the car, and at 60 mph it takes 4 hours to drive 250 miles, which discharges the car. Therefore during the drive, the motors can provide no more than 3 horsepower. This for $25,000 to $30,000.


18 posted on 07/19/2008 3:11:40 PM PDT by Nick Danger (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: mamelukesabre

What is the source of electrical power used to recharge these guys?


19 posted on 07/19/2008 3:11:45 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (The Cold War; trillions of dollars over 45 years to protect our country from what we have become)
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To: mamelukesabre

More like a super capacitor than a battery. This could make all batteries obsolete including the super-heavy batteries guys use for trolling motors.


20 posted on 07/19/2008 3:13:44 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: FrankR
You need a monostable fratilizer to make a flux capacitor work properly. Otherwise it will go asynchronous and the fallopian tubes will explode.
21 posted on 07/19/2008 3:14:46 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Archie Bunker on steroids

Wind


22 posted on 07/19/2008 3:15:04 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: Nick Danger

I don’t think any body is planning to charge the things with 110 or even 220 volt lines... hey claim charging from real stations equipped for it will be a five minute operation.


23 posted on 07/19/2008 3:15:29 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: mamelukesabre; doug from upland; NormsRevenge

Ping


24 posted on 07/19/2008 3:16:12 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: mamelukesabre

They will have to put some kind of noisemaker on the vehicle. Maybe baseball cards in the spokes.


25 posted on 07/19/2008 3:17:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
"I can’t wait till we try to figure out how to recycle or dispose of all these batteries."

We've already figured that one out. It's called recycling, and is done currently for the large lead-acid batteries currently used in cars and trucks (and elsewhere). As I recall, something like 90+% of the lead for batteries is recycled.

26 posted on 07/19/2008 3:20:38 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: TomGuy

> Someone wants that $300 million prize money McCain
> promised for a better battery.

Then they’d better read the fine print on that deal.

I can’t imagine that they get the $300 mil AND the
usual 20 yr patent-granted exclusive rights.


27 posted on 07/19/2008 3:21:53 PM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: mamelukesabre

No such patent number.

FRAUD, HOAX, LIE,


28 posted on 07/19/2008 3:25:02 PM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: mamelukesabre

> Why is there no media coverage?

Since when does the media cover anything that doesn’t
forward their agendas?

Anyway, if this is for real (and even the ever iffy Wiki
has doubts), the energy density is only 10% of gasoline’s.


29 posted on 07/19/2008 3:28:42 PM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: mountainlion

“Moon is a Harsh Mistress” —— Tanstaafl.........


30 posted on 07/19/2008 3:29:14 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: mamelukesabre

I have heard of attempts to use slow leak capacitors as batteies

controlled, slow leak, slow discharge, like a battery


31 posted on 07/19/2008 3:36:11 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: mamelukesabre

Press Release Source: Altair Nanotechnologies

Altair Nanotechnologies (NASDAQ: ALTI) Announces Successful Grid Interconnection and Operation of Two-Megawatt Battery System
Tuesday July 8, 7:00 am ET

Read all about it

http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080708/0413723.html


32 posted on 07/19/2008 3:37:21 PM PDT by dascallie
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To: mamelukesabre

Considering the cute names and the fact that pretty much all these claims are scams, I’m going to say it’s a scam.


33 posted on 07/19/2008 3:38:02 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: mountainlion
It's there, not as a published application, but as an actual, full-blown USPTO-issued patent:

Electrical-energy-storage unit (EESU) utilizing ceramic and integrated-circuit technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries

34 posted on 07/19/2008 3:45:34 PM PDT by Vision Thing ("Moo! Gets out the way!")
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To: mamelukesabre

The technology is backed by some respectible names. The biggest problem is that they are about two years late in promised delivery deadlines.

The are experts in the field that swear a capacitor of this density is imposible but there are always established experts that claim what they cannot do is imposible.

At this point, I am dubious but I would love to see this technology work.

Keep in mind, the range they give is with the car traveling at about 30 mph. Actual range will be substantially less.

The cool thing is you could make a serial hybrid using a very small turbo diesel engine and a small supercapacitor that would drive like a supercar and get miliage better than the smallest econobox.


35 posted on 07/19/2008 3:52:58 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: FrankR

LOL..Good one..But your search efforts would likely work out better if you searched for ‘Super Capacitor Battery’ instead. :o)


36 posted on 07/19/2008 3:58:20 PM PDT by DGHoodini (Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand)
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To: Nick Danger

I would say that when the say “normal houshold outlet” they really mean a super duper special custom install job done by a certified electrician that uses a typical 3 prong plug and maybe 10ga wires.

Or maybe they mean they fully charge the battery from an initial 50% charge.

Or maybe a little of both.


37 posted on 07/19/2008 3:58:29 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Nick Danger
A "normal household outlet" providing 20 amps at 110 volts gives us a maximum of 2200 watts, which is the equivalent of about 3 horsepower.

This is very close to the charging scenario of my electric motor scooter (Oxygen Lepton), with an 1,800 watt motor and 48 volt battery bank. Top speed is 28 mph, which is fine for around my neighborhood, with a range of 20-30 miles. I tend to feel that an automobile with a comparable power plant would be underpowered and capable of somewhat less than 60 mph. /understatement

38 posted on 07/19/2008 3:58:41 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureĀ™)
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To: Nailbiter

battery ping


39 posted on 07/19/2008 3:59:11 PM PDT by IncPen (We are but a moment's sunlight, fading in the grass ...)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Is that kinda like a cargasm?


40 posted on 07/19/2008 4:06:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Nick Danger
You have media involved, so what is actually on the website is that a normal household SERVICE (i.e. the KWH rating a normal household uses).
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You would not want to charge this at home, rather pull in to a filling station conveniently located near a high voltage line, and fill up in 5 min, for around 20 cents per KWH or so. So it would take about 10$ to fill up the battery (if it needs 50 KWH).
41 posted on 07/19/2008 4:07:15 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: mountainlion
The patent number does not come up on a search at USPTO.GOV which is the address of US Patent and Trademark office.

Sure it does:

( 1 of 1 ) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- United States Patent 7,033,406 Weir , et al. April 25, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Electrical-energy-storage unit (EESU) utilizing ceramic and integrated-circuit technologies for replacement of electrochemical batteries Abstract An electrical-energy-storage unit (EESU) has as a basis material a high-permittivity composition-modified barium titanate ceramic powder. This powder is double coated with the first coating being aluminum oxide and the second coating calcium magnesium aluminosilicate glass. The components of the EESU are manufactured with the use of classical ceramic fabrication techniques which include screen printing alternating multilayers of nickel electrodes and high-permittivitiy composition-modified barium titanate powder, sintering to a closed-pore porous body, followed by hot-isostatic pressing to a void-free body. The components are configured into a multilayer array with the use of a solder-bump technique as the enabling technology so as to provide a parallel configuration of components that has the capability to store electrical energy in the range of 52 kWh. The total weight of an EESU with this range of electrical energy storage is about 336 pounds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inventors: Weir; Richard Dean (Cedar Park, TX), Nelson; Carl Walter (Austin, TX) Assignee: Eestor, inc. (Cedar Park, TX) Appl. No.: 09/833,609 Filed: April 12, 2001

42 posted on 07/19/2008 4:09:03 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: Vision Thing
It's there, not as a published application, but as an actual, full-blown USPTO-issued patent

The patent number did not come up. I have found many patents of some really interesting stuff. One guy invented a magnetic motor that put out 1200 watts of power with no known input. It was an interesting story.

43 posted on 07/19/2008 4:09:26 PM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: Gorzaloon
Well I finally got something but not 7033406 but it referred to the application. My computer has been goofy since I downloaded the last windows defender update.

Sorry about that.

44 posted on 07/19/2008 4:20:59 PM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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well let’s just say this does work and works good.The @$$hat fed and states are going to have to introduce some friggin’ HUGH and SERIES tax to make up for their “lost” revenues...............


45 posted on 07/19/2008 4:28:39 PM PDT by razbinn (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,and to the republic for which it ...)
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To: Nick Danger

What’s wrong with your math is that you didn’t include the DBM factor. Adding that increases the charging rate by whatever you need to make it work.


46 posted on 07/19/2008 5:02:07 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: mountainlion
My computer has been goofy since I downloaded the last windows defender update.

It defended you from using it!!!

Yeah, I have had a few of their updates that were bad mistakes. They probably turned off a script the USPTO was looking for. Somehow, their TIF Viewer for the patent figures no longer works on this machine. It does on the others, including the Linux machines, though.

47 posted on 07/19/2008 5:20:30 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Harry Reid sez, “Batteries make us sick”.


48 posted on 07/19/2008 5:59:25 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Been here before)
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To: mountainlion
Click (With no comment).
49 posted on 07/19/2008 6:02:01 PM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: Wonder Warthog

Well I guess I misspoke


50 posted on 07/19/2008 6:13:49 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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