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Nancy Pelosi on when life begins

Posted on 08/24/2008 10:29:14 AM PDT by Progresso

On Meet the Press this morning... MR. BROKAW: Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, "Help me out here, Madame Speaker. When does life begin?" what would you tell him?

REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child--first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There's very clear distinctions. This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and--to--that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who've decided...


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KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; pelosi; prolife
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1 posted on 08/24/2008 10:29:14 AM PDT by Progresso
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To: Progresso
Showing she is more clever than Obama, Pelosi blames her acceptance of abortion on the churches doctors!
2 posted on 08/24/2008 10:35:25 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: Progresso

Wow, she has big cajones, a really impressive feat for her. To try to pretend that she’s an “ardent, practicing Catholic” and that the Catholic church is undecided on the issue of abortion. My my goodness.

I’m pure protestant, but I do know that the Catholic church’s stand on abortion has been made crystal clear to me, to the world, to Ms. Pelosi.

MM


3 posted on 08/24/2008 10:35:55 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Progresso
"St. Augustine said [life begins] at three months."

Did Augustine really say that?

4 posted on 08/24/2008 10:36:02 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Progresso

Is it just me, or is Brokaw asking better questions than he used to?

MM


5 posted on 08/24/2008 10:37:07 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Progresso

so like everything else, SanFran Nan doesn’t know.


6 posted on 08/24/2008 10:38:06 AM PDT by llevrok (Barry O'Kakkus in '08)
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To: Progresso

When asked this question, McCain gave a one word answer: “Conception.” On the other hand, how many words did Nancy use? How many words did Obama use?

Liberals don’t have strong convictions regarding anything, or else they wouldn’t find the need to be so damn wordy all the time.


7 posted on 08/24/2008 10:39:28 AM PDT by library user
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To: MississippiMan

Pelosi’s performance was disgusting. Defending Obama on the grounds that the Catholic CHurch has never settled on when life begins is beyond disingenuous. Brokaw was surprised, and said something to the effect that the Catholic Church has been very clear in its position. Pelosi’s response? That the position is less than thirty years old, the debate within the church continues, and if the Catholic church can’t decide, who are we to reach definitive conclusions. I was offended by her willful ignorance and deliberate falsification of church teaching. If she disagrees with it or believes it to be wrong, it’s a free country and she can believe what she wants. That said, it really is digusting that pro-abortionist politicians pretend to be Catholic and either ridicule, ignore or distort the Catholic church’s well known and clear teachings.

Why do the bishops abdicate their teaching responsiblities when self-proclaimed and self-serving Catholics distort or fabricate church teachings? Do these folks really think we are that stupid? My goodnoess, how did the Church fail so badly?


8 posted on 08/24/2008 10:41:24 AM PDT by RecallMoran (Recall Brodhead)
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To: Progresso

Maybe she’s trying to figure out if she’s really alive ...


9 posted on 08/24/2008 10:44:01 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("What Our Enemies Couldn't Do To Us Our Liberal Democrat Politicians Will")
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To: Progresso

I am tired of this nonsense. An individual life begins even before conception. God knows us even before we’re formed in the womb. These people that would excuse murder as some sort of wonderful public service make me shake my head in disbelief. How sorry for them. They’re in an even worse state than the murdered.


10 posted on 08/24/2008 10:44:38 AM PDT by grimalkin (For everyone but America the free world is mostly a free ride. -Mark Steyn)
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To: Progresso

http://augustinepoodle.blogspot.com/

Dr. Hymie Gordon (Mayo Clinic): “By all criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”

Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth (Harvard University Medical School): “It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception.”

Dr. Alfred Bongioanni (University of Pennsylvania): “I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.”

Dr. Jerome LeJeune, “the Father of Modern Genetics” (University of Descartes, Paris): “To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion . . . it is plain experimental evidence.”

Rick Warren: At what point does a baby get human rights in your view?
Sen. Barack Obama: Well, I think that whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.

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It is the stated article of faith of the Roman Catholic Church that life begins at conception, so Augustine’s musings have practically nothing to do with it.


11 posted on 08/24/2008 10:50:58 AM PDT by Chaguito
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To: ryan71

Obama should be asked when he thinks his two daughters lives began.


12 posted on 08/24/2008 10:51:34 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Progresso
Brokaw was wrong about the question asked of Obama. Rick Warren asked: "At what point does a baby get human rights?"

http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/

13 posted on 08/24/2008 10:53:52 AM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I’d guess it is related to the “quickening”.
There were not the tools then that we have know
and I’m reasonable sure present knowledge would have affected his belief.


14 posted on 08/24/2008 11:05:51 AM PDT by kanawa (Don't go where you're looking, look where you're going.)
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To: RecallMoran
Nancy also did the evasion two step over her investments in natural gas with Tboone and her ability to help her own investment with her natural conflict of interest.
15 posted on 08/24/2008 11:07:22 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Dog breath? I don't think so.)
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To: All
Interesting history on the question "when life begins" here.
16 posted on 08/24/2008 11:11:41 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Progresso

Obviously Ms. Pelosi has never read Humanae Vitae...AND she attempts to obfuscate by using some words from Augustine completely OUT of the historical context of this CLEAR teaching. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

In a nutshell, she is lying.
I am supporting the GOP candidate running against her:

Dana Walsh

http://www.danawalshforcongress.com


17 posted on 08/24/2008 11:13:50 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Progresso
the question of when life begins

I think Brokaw, or anyone whose business was the news, would at least be honest enough to pose the question that the Pastor asked instead of something he made up.

18 posted on 08/24/2008 11:16:35 AM PDT by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: MississippiMan

“I’m pure protestant, but I do know that the Catholic church’s stand on abortion has been made crystal clear to me, to the world, to Ms. Pelosi.”

And it has been crystal clear for centuries.


19 posted on 08/24/2008 11:19:16 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Progresso

It just goes to show you how the leftist liberals will ignore science when it doesn’t give them the answer they want.

When it does, they go on and on about ‘the scientific process’ or the ‘scientific proof’ of something. When biological science or genetics show that it is human life from the moment sperm and egg fuse and have unique DNA, it is not a fully formed person, bubt it is human life. It can be nothing else. We are not fish first, we are not polywogs second, not rats third, and then if mom lets us out, then people. Don’t work like that.

Just keep asking them. They hang themselves with their own words. SHe is going to have so much regret someday for her rationalizations.


20 posted on 08/24/2008 11:19:39 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Progresso; Salvation; 4integrity; Coleus

San Fran Nan is either misinformed or lying to support NOBAMA for the Catholic Vote....most likely the latter.

When does life begin? Vatican official: Embryos human before implantation

http://b.casalemedia.com/V2/66381/139544/index.html?www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=18847


21 posted on 08/24/2008 11:20:23 AM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Trust the Lord with all your heart.......)
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To: Progresso

(REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic)
Not much of a Catholic is she is willing to lie on National TV.
Not sure what “Church” she goes to but my Church certainly knows when life begins. Seems it is not above or pay grade.


22 posted on 08/24/2008 11:20:59 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Got Freedom ? Thank a Veteran...... Want to keep Freedom? Don't vote Obama)
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To: Progresso
I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know.

I learned the answer in my ninth grade biology class. This woman is an idiot.

23 posted on 08/24/2008 11:23:37 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: grimalkin
Perhaps a spiritual life begins before conception, but a biological life begins at conception. If conception is not the correct answer then we no longer need condoms or pills.
24 posted on 08/24/2008 11:24:11 AM PDT by tongass kid
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To: Secret Agent Man
It just goes to show you how the leftist liberals will ignore science when it doesn’t give them the answer they want.

I agree. But, science is never the entire answer anyway. You also should include certain segments of posters here on FR in the same category...their legacy of a one dimensional, selective science belief system is on display in any thread about creation and evolution.

25 posted on 08/24/2008 11:27:07 AM PDT by NewLand (Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Barry & Joe have got to go!)
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To: Progresso

I just came back from Mass followed by RCIA for 1 1/2 hours. We talked about this and guess what? Life begins at the MOMENT of conception. There is NO reason for abortion. No how, no way. Nancy is a very important woman, very rich, powerful, and very influential. I am a nobody, not even a Catholic yet, but what she has said is wrong. She knows it, too, and so does Biden, and Kerry.


26 posted on 08/24/2008 11:31:40 AM PDT by RedRedRose
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To: Progresso
I find it interesting that these libs simply cannot (will not!) say when life begins. Consider this: exremist Princeton "Ethics" professor Peter Singer claims that life begins when a child is self aware of it's own existence and will try to avoid harm. This, in his weird world, means that up until the child is 1yr old he isnt really alive yet and can be killed at the discretion of the parents.

This is an odious stand, but it's a stand! I might interpret Obama's evasiveness as leaving it possible he thinks Singer didnt go far enough. Indeed, coupled with his troubling opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection act, he actually is in line with Singer. That is, it appears he doesnt believe has begun even at birth!

27 posted on 08/24/2008 11:39:10 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: NewLand

OF course it isn’t. But the deal with science and abortion from the liberals was that science was going to justify abortions because it would show that human life didn’t begin until much later in the development process. They were still having delusions of Haeckel and the faked embryo drwaings, that the embryo went through these evolutionary stages until it became human.

When DNA and ultrasound and better biological science came in and everything they had banked on science backing them up on disappeared, now it is unimportant and it’s all about whether it’s wanted, and besides, who REALLY knows when life begins.

That’s why it’s a big deal.


28 posted on 08/24/2008 11:40:04 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

There is so much more proof for life beginning at conception than there is that it began 4 billion years ago.

A liberal will ignore the proof of the obvious, but go to his death defending the idiotic.


29 posted on 08/24/2008 11:41:39 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Progresso

Nancy Pelosi on when life begins:

“IT BEGINS WHEN I SAY IT BEGINS!”

“I’M TRYING TO SAVE THE G@DDAMN PLANET!”


30 posted on 08/24/2008 11:44:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Progresso

Progresso
Since Aug 24, 2008

Welcome to FR.

Very strange first post.


31 posted on 08/24/2008 12:05:55 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (A vote for any Democrat from BO on down the ticket is a vote for $10 a gallon gas.)
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To: Progresso

As Peggy Noonan stated in an article last week, ask any young man going into a drug store to buy a packet of condoms when life begins. It’s really not that complicated.


32 posted on 08/24/2008 12:07:35 PM PDT by tenger
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To: Progresso
To me it's not a matter of when life begins. But rather when life ends. It ends when a live sperm doesn't make it to the egg. Or when the abortion dr. aborts it from it's mother's womb. Or, if as in the case of obama's desires, it is born alive and left to die.

Anyone with the ability to make a video showing obama and telling the story about his vote to kill babies please feel free to use my song playing quietly in the background.

"How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight"

33 posted on 08/24/2008 12:23:40 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: ryan71

Ask any newly married wife who is two weeks pregnant when she thinks life begins.

As a grandma, I know that’s when my grandchildren’s moms started planning baby showers.

— Jane


34 posted on 08/24/2008 12:53:42 PM PDT by quintr
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To: Progresso
From the Catechism of the Cathloic Church, 2nd Edition:

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

72 Cf. CDF, Donum vitae I,1.
73 Jer 1:5; cf. Job 10:8-12; Ps 22:10-11.
74 Ps 139:15.
75 Didache 2,2:SCh 248,148; cf. Ep. Barnabae 19,5:PG 2 777; Ad Diognetum 5,6:PG 2,1173; Tertullian, Apol. 9:PL 1,319-320.
76 GS 51 § 3.

35 posted on 08/24/2008 1:07:21 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Progresso
Nancy, life begins at conception. Abortion is killing that life. You are excommunicating yourself when you support abortion.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

In other words, Nancy, you can no longer be communicated -- that is receive Communion.

36 posted on 08/24/2008 1:51:19 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Progresso; antonius

Unelect Nancy Pelosi too!

37 posted on 08/24/2008 1:55:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Progresso
This topic is roaring to the top, although the secularists will tell you that it is not important.

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38 posted on 08/24/2008 1:57:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: freespirited

An idiot who was selected by the Democrats to represent their views and be their spokes person. Says a lot for their intelligence.


39 posted on 08/24/2008 2:53:54 PM PDT by needtowakeup
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To: Progresso; JulieRNR21

Thanks an bump for later read ................... FRegards


40 posted on 08/25/2008 7:22:48 AM PDT by gonzo ("Shall Not Be Infringed" - use it now! While you still can ... FRegards)
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To: Progresso; Salvation
I think it is now incumbent upon the American Catholic Bishops to make it clear to Pelosi that the Catholic Church is VERY clear when life begins.
41 posted on 08/25/2008 11:00:18 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Progresso

MR. BROKAW:  There was a very well publicized and very effective interview by Pastor Rick Warren at the Saddleback Church in California of the two candidates recently.  And on the right especially, response from Senator Obama to the question of when life begins has been getting a lot of attention.  We want to just share with you how that went, and then you can take a look at it and, and respond to it for us.

(Videotape, August 16, 2008)

PASTOR RICK WARREN:  At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?

SEN. OBAMA:  Well, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is, is above my pay grade.

(End videotape)

MR. BROKAW:  Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, "Help me out here, Madame Speaker.  When does life begin?" what would you tell him?

REP. PELOSI:  I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time.  And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition.  And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months.  We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.  Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child--first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester.  There's very clear distinctions.  This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and--to--that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god.  And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins.  As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who've decided...

MR. BROKAW:  The Catholic Church at the moment feels very strongly that it...

REP. PELOSI:  I understand that.

MR. BROKAW:  ...begins at the point of conception.

REP. PELOSI:  I understand.  And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that.  So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy.  But it is, it is also true that God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions.  And we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions.  That's why we have this fight in Congress over contraception.  My Republican colleagues do not support contraception.  If you want to reduce the number of abortions, and we all do, we must--it would behoove you to support family planning and, and contraception, you would think.  But that is not the case.  So we have to take--you know, we have to handle this as respectfully--this is sacred ground. We have to handle it very respectfully and not politicize it, as it has been--and I'm not saying Rick Warren did, because I don't think he did, but others will try to.

MR. BROKAW:  Madame Speaker, thanks very much for being with us.

REP. PELOSI:  It's my pleasure.  Thank you.


42 posted on 08/25/2008 1:03:55 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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43 posted on 08/25/2008 1:08:28 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: Progresso
In reference to Augustine and other theologians - she completely ignored the medical advances of the the last 30 years. She ignored the fact that the development of life in the womb was a mystery then.

She subjugates everything as a variable with Roe as the one constant in the equation.

44 posted on 08/25/2008 1:14:26 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Progresso
In reference to Augustine and other theologians - she completely ignored the medical advances of the last 30 years. She ignored the fact that the development of life in the womb was a mystery then.

She subjugates everything as a variable with Roe as the one constant in the equation.

45 posted on 08/25/2008 1:15:07 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Progresso
The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.

In other words, a woman should be able to kill her unborn child anytime from the moment of conception up to and including ..... when? Her own, personal arbitrary line of "when life begins."

How dare this POS go on national television (again) spewing her Catholic grandma routine. And damn the bishops for sitting on their hands while she does it.

46 posted on 08/25/2008 1:22:35 PM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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To: SkyDancer

Heheehe:)


47 posted on 08/25/2008 1:36:08 PM PDT by fatima
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To: Progresso

I’m surprised she didn’t say life begins a 40.

or your first face lift which ever comes first.


48 posted on 08/25/2008 1:39:32 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: All

The Catholic Church’s position is very clear on people like Pelosi and Biden:

“Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / (CNA) — Archbishop Raymond Burke, prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, the highest judicial authority of the Holy See, said this week that Catholics who publicly support abortion — especially politicians — should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it “until they have reformed their lives.”


49 posted on 08/25/2008 1:46:12 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (send concerns to Russian Trade Ministry rustrade@verizon.net Hit Russia in wallet....)
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To: Progresso; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish. (Didache 2:2) Didache – also called: The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles c. 60-100 A.D.
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.htm#2271

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” “by the very commission of the offense,” and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.

” From the moment of conception, the life of every human being is to be respected in an absolute way because man is the only creature on earth that God has “wished for himself” and the spiritual soul of each man is “immediately created” by God; his whole being bears the image of the Creator. Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains forever in a special relationship with the Creator, Who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being”
—The Gift of Life (Donum Vitae) No. 5 of introduction. Published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, February 22, 1987. http://www.usccb.org/prolife/tdocs/donumvitae.htm

Pope John Paul II, The Gospel of Life, 1995 - section 73 (excerpt): Abortion and euthanasia are crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to “take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or vote for it”.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae_en.html

Pope Pius XI Encyclical Casti Connubii No. 67 December 31, 1930 (excerpt): “Those who hold the reins of government should not forget that it is the duty of public authority ... to defend the lives of the innocent ... among whom we must mention in the first place infants hidden in the mother’s womb. And if the public magistrates ... do not defend them, but by their laws and ordinances betray them to death at the hands of doctors and others, let them remember that God is the Judge and Avenger of innocent blood which cries from earth to heaven”
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html


50 posted on 08/25/2008 1:49:03 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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