Nancy Pelosi on when life begins

[Progresso]

On Meet the Press this morning... MR. BROKAW: Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, "Help me out here, Madame Speaker. When does life begin?" what would you tell him?

REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose. Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child--first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester. There's very clear distinctions. This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and--to--that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god. And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins. As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who've decided...

[JulieRNR21]

San Fran Nan is either misinformed or lying to support NOBAMA for the Catholic Vote....most likely the latter.

When does life begin? Vatican official: Embryos human before implantation

http://b.casalemedia.com/V2/66381/139544/index.html?www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=18847

[SECURE AMERICA]

(REP. PELOSI: I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic)
Not much of a Catholic is she is willing to lie on National TV.
Not sure what “Church” she goes to but my Church certainly knows when life begins. Seems it is not above or pay grade.

[freespirited]

I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time. And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition. And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months. We don't know.

I learned the answer in my ninth grade biology class. This woman is an idiot.

[tongass kid]

Perhaps a spiritual life begins before conception, but a biological life begins at conception. If conception is not the correct answer then we no longer need condoms or pills.

[NewLand]

It just goes to show you how the leftist liberals will ignore science when it doesn’t give them the answer they want.

I agree. But, science is never the entire answer anyway. You also should include certain segments of posters here on FR in the same category...their legacy of a one dimensional, selective science belief system is on display in any thread about creation and evolution.

[RedRedRose]

I just came back from Mass followed by RCIA for 1 1/2 hours. We talked about this and guess what? Life begins at the MOMENT of conception. There is NO reason for abortion. No how, no way. Nancy is a very important woman, very rich, powerful, and very influential. I am a nobody, not even a Catholic yet, but what she has said is wrong. She knows it, too, and so does Biden, and Kerry.

[pepsi_junkie]

I find it interesting that these libs simply cannot (will not!) say when life begins. Consider this: exremist Princeton "Ethics" professor Peter Singer claims that life begins when a child is self aware of it's own existence and will try to avoid harm. This, in his weird world, means that up until the child is 1yr old he isnt really alive yet and can be killed at the discretion of the parents.

This is an odious stand, but it's a stand! I might interpret Obama's evasiveness as leaving it possible he thinks Singer didnt go far enough. Indeed, coupled with his troubling opposition to the Born Alive Infant Protection act, he actually is in line with Singer. That is, it appears he doesnt believe has begun even at birth!

[Secret Agent Man]

OF course it isn’t. But the deal with science and abortion from the liberals was that science was going to justify abortions because it would show that human life didn’t begin until much later in the development process. They were still having delusions of Haeckel and the faked embryo drwaings, that the embryo went through these evolutionary stages until it became human.

When DNA and ultrasound and better biological science came in and everything they had banked on science backing them up on disappeared, now it is unimportant and it’s all about whether it’s wanted, and besides, who REALLY knows when life begins.

That’s why it’s a big deal.

[Secret Agent Man]

There is so much more proof for life beginning at conception than there is that it began 4 billion years ago.

A liberal will ignore the proof of the obvious, but go to his death defending the idiotic.

[Secret Agent Man]

Nancy Pelosi on when life begins:

“IT BEGINS WHEN I SAY IT BEGINS!”

“I’M TRYING TO SAVE THE G@DDAMN PLANET!”

[Arrowhead1952]

Progresso
Since Aug 24, 2008

Welcome to FR.

Very strange first post.

[tenger]

As Peggy Noonan stated in an article last week, ask any young man going into a drug store to buy a packet of condoms when life begins. It’s really not that complicated.

[GloriaJane]

To me it's not a matter of when life begins. But rather when life ends. It ends when a live sperm doesn't make it to the egg. Or when the abortion dr. aborts it from it's mother's womb. Or, if as in the case of obama's desires, it is born alive and left to die.

Anyone with the ability to make a video showing obama and telling the story about his vote to kill babies please feel free to use my song playing quietly in the background.

"How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight"

[quintr]

Ask any newly married wife who is two weeks pregnant when she thinks life begins.

As a grandma, I know that’s when my grandchildren’s moms started planning baby showers.

— Jane

[Alas Babylon!]

From the Catechism of the Cathloic Church, 2nd Edition:

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.⁷²

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.⁷³

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.⁷⁴

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.⁷⁵

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.⁷⁶

72 Cf. CDF, Donum vitae I,1.
73 Jer 1:5; cf. Job 10:8-12; Ps 22:10-11.
74 Ps 139:15.
75 Didache 2,2:SCh 248,148; cf. Ep. Barnabae 19,5:PG 2 777; Ad Diognetum 5,6:PG 2,1173; Tertullian, Apol. 9:PL 1,319-320.
76 GS 51 § 3.

[Salvation]

Nancy, life begins at conception. Abortion is killing that life. You are excommunicating yourself when you support abortion.

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In other words, Nancy, you can no longer be communicated -- that is receive Communion.

[Salvation]

Unelect Nancy Pelosi too!

[Salvation]

This topic is roaring to the top, although the secularists will tell you that it is not important.

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[needtowakeup]

An idiot who was selected by the Democrats to represent their views and be their spokes person. Says a lot for their intelligence.

[gonzo]

Thanks an bump for later read ................... FRegards