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1 posted on 08/24/2008 10:29:14 AM PDT by Progresso
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To: Progresso

As Peggy Noonan stated in an article last week, ask any young man going into a drug store to buy a packet of condoms when life begins. It’s really not that complicated.


32 posted on 08/24/2008 12:07:35 PM PDT by tenger
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To: Progresso
To me it's not a matter of when life begins. But rather when life ends. It ends when a live sperm doesn't make it to the egg. Or when the abortion dr. aborts it from it's mother's womb. Or, if as in the case of obama's desires, it is born alive and left to die.

Anyone with the ability to make a video showing obama and telling the story about his vote to kill babies please feel free to use my song playing quietly in the background.

"How Many Babies Are Crying In Heaven Tonight"

33 posted on 08/24/2008 12:23:40 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: Progresso
From the Catechism of the Cathloic Church, 2nd Edition:

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person - among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.72

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you.73

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth.74

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish.75

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.76

72 Cf. CDF, Donum vitae I,1.
73 Jer 1:5; cf. Job 10:8-12; Ps 22:10-11.
74 Ps 139:15.
75 Didache 2,2:SCh 248,148; cf. Ep. Barnabae 19,5:PG 2 777; Ad Diognetum 5,6:PG 2,1173; Tertullian, Apol. 9:PL 1,319-320.
76 GS 51 § 3.

35 posted on 08/24/2008 1:07:21 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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Nancy, life begins at conception. Abortion is killing that life. You are excommunicating yourself when you support abortion.

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

In other words, Nancy, you can no longer be communicated -- that is receive Communion.

36 posted on 08/24/2008 1:51:19 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Progresso; antonius

Unelect Nancy Pelosi too!

37 posted on 08/24/2008 1:55:01 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Progresso
This topic is roaring to the top, although the secularists will tell you that it is not important.

Nancy Pelosi on when life begins (Smarter than Obama?
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Obama's Born-Alive Problem
William A. Donohue: Catholic Left Hangs Itself (5/22/08) [Abortion]
"Until they have reformed their lives" ( No Holy Communion for pro-abortion Catholics!)
African American Pro-Life Leader Tells Barack Obama: No We Can't OK Abortion

OBAMA AND INFANTICIDE (Reinhard)
They'd be angry at Obama if he was caught saying the N-word. Supporting Infanticide—Not so much.
In 2002, Barack Obama Supported Infanticide and I've Got the Transcript of His Words
Explosive Audio Found - Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act - Audio
Transcript of Obama's verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA
Audio Found Obama arguing against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act
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EXTRA: Archbishop Burke on Catholics who Support Abortion
Senator Barack Obama Wants You to Pay for Abortions
US Bishops Look at Election
John McCain Will Not Pick Pro-Abortion Running Mate, Rules Out Tom Ridge
Vote for Real Hope and Change [Archbishop Chaput]
Catholics who support abortion should not receive Communion, says Archbishop Burke (again :-)
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Obama Flunks Rick Warren's Abortion Question
Obama and the Black American Family Don’t Jibe [Abortion]
Obama Caught Red-Handed in Abortion Lie
Archbishop Naumann hopes Obama realizes Sebelius is a bad Catholic advisor
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OBAMA'S EXTREMISM - HIS ABORTION RECORD IS NO LIE
Barack Obama - Abortion Extremist
Barack Obama lied about babies ‘Born Alive’ vote then smeared Corsi
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Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback

Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues to Unravel...
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Obama Calls Pro-Lifers Liars
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Niece of Martin Luther King Jr. to Lead Prayer Vigil Outside Largest U.S. Abortion Centre
Campaign Admits Obama Lied About Abortion Vote, Media Asleep
Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
Barack Obama Repeats False Claim Abortions Haven't Declined Under Bush
Obama and Abortion

Obama Says Right to Life Coalition Is Lying About His Record
Barack Obama Says Pro-Life Group Lying About His Pro-Infanticide Votes
Obama's infanticide problem>
Obama and McCain Woo Catholics
Obama's Christian Creds Vs. Abortion and Infanticide

Obama's 10 reasons for supporting infanticide
Mommy Won't Help Dems on Abortion
Abortion Leader Confirms that Democratic Platform is More Pro-Abortion than Ever
Obama More Than An Abortion Radical
Obama’s Abortion Lies (Obama cover-up on born-alive survivors bill)

Life with Obama: Abortion champion
Knighting the Catholic Vote (K of C urging Catholics to vote pro-life)
Linda Chavez: Obama’s Catholic problem
Catholic Voters and 2008
Barack Obama Supports the Murder of Newborn Infants

Obama Lied About Abortion Record
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38 posted on 08/24/2008 1:57:44 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Progresso; JulieRNR21

Thanks an bump for later read ................... FRegards


40 posted on 08/25/2008 7:22:48 AM PDT by gonzo ("Shall Not Be Infringed" - use it now! While you still can ... FRegards)
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I think it is now incumbent upon the American Catholic Bishops to make it clear to Pelosi that the Catholic Church is VERY clear when life begins.
41 posted on 08/25/2008 11:00:18 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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MR. BROKAW:  There was a very well publicized and very effective interview by Pastor Rick Warren at the Saddleback Church in California of the two candidates recently.  And on the right especially, response from Senator Obama to the question of when life begins has been getting a lot of attention.  We want to just share with you how that went, and then you can take a look at it and, and respond to it for us.

(Videotape, August 16, 2008)

PASTOR RICK WARREN:  At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?

SEN. OBAMA:  Well, you know, I think that whether you're looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is, is above my pay grade.

(End videotape)

MR. BROKAW:  Senator Obama saying the question of when life begins is above his pay grade, whether you're looking at it scientifically or theologically. If he were to come to you and say, "Help me out here, Madame Speaker.  When does life begin?" what would you tell him?

REP. PELOSI:  I would say that as an ardent, practicing Catholic, this is an issue that I have studied for a long time.  And what I know is, over the centuries, the doctors of the church have not been able to make that definition.  And Senator--St. Augustine said at three months.  We don't know. The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.  Roe v. Wade talks about very clear definitions of when the child--first trimester, certain considerations; second trimester; not so third trimester.  There's very clear distinctions.  This isn't about abortion on demand, it's about a careful, careful consideration of all factors and--to--that a woman has to make with her doctor and her god.  And so I don't think anybody can tell you when life begins, human life begins.  As I say, the Catholic Church for centuries has been discussing this, and there are those who've decided...

MR. BROKAW:  The Catholic Church at the moment feels very strongly that it...

REP. PELOSI:  I understand that.

MR. BROKAW:  ...begins at the point of conception.

REP. PELOSI:  I understand.  And this is like maybe 50 years or something like that.  So again, over the history of the church, this is an issue of controversy.  But it is, it is also true that God has given us, each of us, a free will and a responsibility to answer for our actions.  And we want abortions to be safe, rare, and reduce the number of abortions.  That's why we have this fight in Congress over contraception.  My Republican colleagues do not support contraception.  If you want to reduce the number of abortions, and we all do, we must--it would behoove you to support family planning and, and contraception, you would think.  But that is not the case.  So we have to take--you know, we have to handle this as respectfully--this is sacred ground. We have to handle it very respectfully and not politicize it, as it has been--and I'm not saying Rick Warren did, because I don't think he did, but others will try to.

MR. BROKAW:  Madame Speaker, thanks very much for being with us.

REP. PELOSI:  It's my pleasure.  Thank you.


42 posted on 08/25/2008 1:03:55 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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In reference to Augustine and other theologians - she completely ignored the medical advances of the the last 30 years. She ignored the fact that the development of life in the womb was a mystery then.

She subjugates everything as a variable with Roe as the one constant in the equation.

44 posted on 08/25/2008 1:14:26 PM PDT by Lexinom
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In reference to Augustine and other theologians - she completely ignored the medical advances of the last 30 years. She ignored the fact that the development of life in the womb was a mystery then.

She subjugates everything as a variable with Roe as the one constant in the equation.

45 posted on 08/25/2008 1:15:07 PM PDT by Lexinom
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The point is, is that it shouldn't have an impact on the woman's right to choose.

In other words, a woman should be able to kill her unborn child anytime from the moment of conception up to and including ..... when? Her own, personal arbitrary line of "when life begins."

How dare this POS go on national television (again) spewing her Catholic grandma routine. And damn the bishops for sitting on their hands while she does it.

46 posted on 08/25/2008 1:22:35 PM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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To: Progresso

I’m surprised she didn’t say life begins a 40.

or your first face lift which ever comes first.


48 posted on 08/25/2008 1:39:32 PM PDT by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese)
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To: Progresso; Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; ...

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish. (Didache 2:2) Didache – also called: The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles c. 60-100 A.D.
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art5.htm#2271

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” “by the very commission of the offense,” and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.

” From the moment of conception, the life of every human being is to be respected in an absolute way because man is the only creature on earth that God has “wished for himself” and the spiritual soul of each man is “immediately created” by God; his whole being bears the image of the Creator. Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains forever in a special relationship with the Creator, Who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being”
—The Gift of Life (Donum Vitae) No. 5 of introduction. Published by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, February 22, 1987. http://www.usccb.org/prolife/tdocs/donumvitae.htm

Pope John Paul II, The Gospel of Life, 1995 - section 73 (excerpt): Abortion and euthanasia are crimes which no human law can claim to legitimize. There is no obligation in conscience to obey such laws; instead there is a grave and clear obligation to oppose them by conscientious objection. In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to “take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or vote for it”.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae_en.html

Pope Pius XI Encyclical Casti Connubii No. 67 December 31, 1930 (excerpt): “Those who hold the reins of government should not forget that it is the duty of public authority ... to defend the lives of the innocent ... among whom we must mention in the first place infants hidden in the mother’s womb. And if the public magistrates ... do not defend them, but by their laws and ordinances betray them to death at the hands of doctors and others, let them remember that God is the Judge and Avenger of innocent blood which cries from earth to heaven”
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html


50 posted on 08/25/2008 1:49:03 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: Progresso

She really needs to be excommunicated form the Catholic Church, along with Biden and other Cahtolic politicians like them.

Their beleifs, so antithetical to the Catholic Church, are confusing. And they don’t hesitate to use their faith, to gain support and votes from Catholics. It would be better to make it clear they deliberatley do not practice or believe their faith and are no longer Catholic.


53 posted on 08/25/2008 6:11:09 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Proud Catholic supporter of Governor Mitt Romney for VP and future President of the United States!)
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55 posted on 08/25/2008 8:50:46 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Progresso; Coleus
Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm


59 posted on 08/26/2008 3:58:29 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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The importance of her reply lies in her assertion that it doesn’t matter anyway. The woman’s “right” to choose is paramount, whether a human life is ended or not. Human get rights when the leftist elite say so, and not a moment earlier. Thus can the left also decertify a human at any point.


60 posted on 08/26/2008 4:11:11 AM PDT by pharmamom (I'll be darned; I DO have a mouse in my pocket.)
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To: Progresso

I think Dr. laura said “Life begins when the dog dies and the kids move out”


66 posted on 08/26/2008 5:57:05 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Progresso

What part of practicing Catholic makes sense here? Life begins at conception. There has been no ambiguity in that definition from the time teachings in the church were written down almost 2000 years ago. I was pleased to see that Archbishop Wuerhl of Washington denounced her words as being untrue. She should be refused communion as she is not in the state of grace to receive it.

Nancy “San Fran Nan” Pelosi will get hers on judgment day when she is held accountable for her actions to harm the helpless and support abortion.


67 posted on 08/26/2008 6:27:43 AM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! "Global Warming" is a HOAX!)
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