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AA12 - Mega shotgun for the military
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Posted on 12/06/2008 3:26:31 PM PST by perfect stranger

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aa12; banglist; fullauto; shotgun
I want one :)
1 posted on 12/06/2008 3:26:31 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: perfect stranger

BFG+OMG!


2 posted on 12/06/2008 3:33:46 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: perfect stranger

Arm the crews of freighters with these babies and watch pirates thin out ...


3 posted on 12/06/2008 3:36:23 PM PST by mgc1122
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To: perfect stranger

I wonder if it would be cost-prohibitive to bring that low-recoil technology to “consumer” shotguns.


4 posted on 12/06/2008 3:40:17 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: mgc1122

Those were my thoughts exactly. LOL


5 posted on 12/06/2008 3:40:57 PM PST by perfect stranger (Nobama)
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To: perfect stranger
I would like one but even more the ammunition they were using.
6 posted on 12/06/2008 3:41:07 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Obama, Change America will die for.)
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To: perfect stranger

HOLY SH1T!!!!!!!!!!

Oh! I want one!!!

It’s the mother of all scatter guns!

He who carries such a weapon will be the skeet champion of the world!


7 posted on 12/06/2008 3:45:59 PM PST by KoRn
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To: perfect stranger

It sure puts the Saiga 12 to shame. I want one really, really bad.


8 posted on 12/06/2008 3:48:37 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: perfect stranger

Wow!


9 posted on 12/06/2008 3:57:43 PM PST by vets son
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To: perfect stranger

Stunning.....Love those HE, incendiary and grenade rounds. Too bad the public will never be allowed to own one of those.
With BlackBarry’s StormTroopers, we may get to see them up close and personal.


10 posted on 12/06/2008 4:01:59 PM PST by Electric Graffiti
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To: perfect stranger

Now that is a hot gun.A small group of troops packing those could do a lot of damage.Wonder how much the mag weighs and how many a trooper can carry.


11 posted on 12/06/2008 4:05:06 PM PST by noutopia (Home of the brave,not the spineless.)
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To: Ouch

mmmmmm open faced club shotgun


12 posted on 12/06/2008 4:06:30 PM PST by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: perfect stranger

Maintenance and lubrication free?

Where can I get one?


13 posted on 12/06/2008 4:11:16 PM PST by Radix (Posting cynical responses ever since...."What time is it anyhow?")
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To: perfect stranger
Since it's full auto, civilians can't get one.

However, the Russian Saiga 12 semi-auto shotgun IS available to civilians, and it also takes 20-shell drum magazines.

14 posted on 12/06/2008 4:12:27 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: mgc1122

Exactly....brings new meaning to ‘say halo to my lil’ friend’

Would have worked well in Mumbai also....


15 posted on 12/06/2008 4:17:08 PM PST by Electric Graffiti
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To: mgc1122

freighter crews need longer range weapons. The shotgun would be great when they get up inside 150 yards but you need to deter them sooner than that because the pirates have longer range weapons.


16 posted on 12/06/2008 4:20:39 PM PST by arthurus (Old Age beat itself with its ownguile and lack of enthusiasm.)
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To: perfect stranger

Serious Firepower!!

17 posted on 12/06/2008 4:23:29 PM PST by smokingfrog (Buy'em cheap. Bury'em deep.)
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To: Radix
Military Police System, out of Piney Flats, Tennessee, has come out with a unique select-fire 12-gauge combat/tactical shotgun called the "Auto Assault 12 Automatic Shotgun", or "AA12 Automatic Shotgun". The full-auto-only Auto Assault 12 Automatic Shotgun fires at a relatively slow rate of 300 rpm (rounds-per-minute) and employs the "Constant-Recoil" principle, which is a recoil attenuation/mitigation system that was first invented and patented for utilization in a gas-operated weapon by legendary small arms designer/developer L. James Sullivan for the Ultimax 100 LMG (Light Machine Gun), back in the late 1970's. "Constant-Recoil" allows a lightweight gun to outhit a heavier gun on full-auto.

Since it utilizes "Constant-Recoil", the bolt group of the AA12 Automatic Shotgun never impacts the rear of the receiver, but rather runs out on the long 2-stage recoil/operating spring. This action eliminates the majority of felt-recoil, and thus greatly enhances controllability on full-auto. The result is more hits on target.

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18 posted on 12/06/2008 4:24:39 PM PST by perfect stranger (Nobama)
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To: xcamel

Ditto its a BFG!


19 posted on 12/06/2008 4:25:27 PM PST by omega4179 (Pardon Ramos and Compean !! Hello Jorge...Paging Jorge Arbusta.)
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To: smokingfrog

They will not be available to civilians ever IMO. The SPAS 12 and Street Sweeper was already banned as “destructive” devices even though they fire the same ammunition as any 12 gauge skeet gun.


20 posted on 12/06/2008 4:26:59 PM PST by omega4179 (Pardon Ramos and Compean !! Hello Jorge...Paging Jorge Arbusta.)
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To: EyeGuy

How do they control the recoil?


21 posted on 12/06/2008 4:29:21 PM PST by smokingfrog (Buy'em cheap. Bury'em deep.)
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To: perfect stranger

kant haz it not fur u ....

/s/Obama


22 posted on 12/06/2008 4:31:28 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: smokingfrog

See the link on post #18


23 posted on 12/06/2008 4:41:18 PM PST by perfect stranger (Nobama)
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To: perfect stranger

Given that it’s a 12 gauge, and it shows a break-away/internal shot, I would think that one could replicate it with some effort. (IE, we can see the internal mechanisms, and have a scale to base our own machining off it.) Also it would probably help to have the video in higher quality.


24 posted on 12/06/2008 4:50:24 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: perfect stranger

Oh, yes! I want one of those!


25 posted on 12/06/2008 5:01:04 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: SVTCobra03
It sure puts the Saiga 12 to shame. I want one really, really bad. Actually the Saiga 12 does pretty well with either 10 round sticks or 20 round drums. An S12 with an Ace folder on it is one hell of compact little bundle of firepower.
26 posted on 12/06/2008 5:04:37 PM PST by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: perfect stranger

bump


27 posted on 12/06/2008 5:07:26 PM PST by VOA
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To: arthurus

I suspect your sound advice is being lost in the passion of the moment :}


28 posted on 12/06/2008 5:33:26 PM PST by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: perfect stranger
works for me...

29 posted on 12/06/2008 5:46:48 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: smokingfrog

“How do they control the recoil?”

I don’t know. I don’t think it was made very clear in the video.


30 posted on 12/06/2008 5:47:05 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: omega4179
When I retire, I want to make a 12 Gage Gatling gun.
31 posted on 12/06/2008 5:58:54 PM PST by ME-262 (Stick it to the Man! - Down with Obama!)
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To: Chode

I love those bottom eject Ithacas.


32 posted on 12/06/2008 6:02:05 PM PST by omega4179 (Pardon Ramos and Compean !! Hello Jorge...Paging Jorge Arbusta.)
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To: EyeGuy
Re: How do they control the recoil?

Something called the "Constant-Recoil" principle, but I'm not sure how it works. (post #18)

33 posted on 12/06/2008 6:22:17 PM PST by smokingfrog (Buy'em cheap. Bury'em deep.)
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To: omega4179
and with the Magic Disconnecter tooo... 8^)
34 posted on 12/06/2008 6:29:43 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/pg31.html


35 posted on 12/06/2008 8:56:22 PM PST by AlligatorEyes
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To: perfect stranger

Hell yeah


36 posted on 12/06/2008 9:44:03 PM PST by Charlespg
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To: perfect stranger

bump for needed on Christmas list :)


37 posted on 12/06/2008 9:53:17 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: PapaBear3625

“However, the Russian Saiga 12 semi-auto shotgun IS available to civilians, and it also takes 20-shell drum magazines.”

The hard part is finding the drum mag at a source you can trust. Got any suggestions - someone with whom you’ve done business before?

Can’t wait to go fire this sucker off. Gonna try a change of furniture because the individual-purchase version has a stock way too long for me to use the sights.


38 posted on 12/07/2008 4:49:23 PM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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To: perfect stranger; Squantos; Larry Lucido

(panting like dog...)

I want one!! A few cases of the shells as well!


39 posted on 12/07/2008 4:56:27 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: sit-rep

If it started life as the Atchisson in 70’s I shot it , didn’t like it , wouldn’t carry it.......:o) The H&K CAWS was promising yet it didn’t feed off the shelf ammo properly so they took that back to the drawing board. I gave up a position at the weapons lab and never saw it again till this AA12 keeps showing up !

Looks........neat ! I’ll stick to my old slam fire Mod 12 Winchester Trench Gun thank yew.......:o)


40 posted on 12/07/2008 5:19:05 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Titan Magroyne

Sorry, don’t have a source.


41 posted on 12/07/2008 5:22:43 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Question O-thority)
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To: PapaBear3625

Oh well, thanks for your reply. I’m quite sure it was a fellow FReeper who first made me aware of the S12. :o)


42 posted on 12/07/2008 6:32:08 PM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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To: PapaBear3625

Just for follow-up, there are several manufacturers coming up with their own versions of the Saiga 12 20-round drum magazines.

Cheapest I’ve found so far, and test-fired by fans of the Saiga 12 (www.forum.saiga-12.com), is $230 at:
http://mdarms.com/Scripts/prodview.asp?idProduct=1714

Somebody called wraithemaker makes one at $371, yikes, sold elsewhere online.


43 posted on 12/08/2008 7:02:44 PM PST by Titan Magroyne ("Drill now drill hard drill often and give old Gaia a cigarette afterwards she deserves it." HerrBlu)
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