Posted on 01/02/2009 1:16:10 PM PST by patriot08
Ed Hale of Plains Radio has secured a copy of the Dunham/Obama divorce decree as promised. He has registered this at the courthouse and has turned the document over to lawyers who are reported to be happy and enthused over the contents.
This is the first page. This is all that can be divulged at this time as those who have seen the decree are sworn to silence. You may hear information about it tonight on Ed's plainsradio show.
Smacks self in head.. hadn't thought about POV, but of course she and her mother would have had friends in the Seattle area, having moved from there to HI not so very long before.
Which of course means he abandoned poor little Barry when he was just over 10 months old. Bastid.
I'm surprised even Ms. International Socialist Dunham-Obama let he get anywhere near Barry at the time those photos were taken in the Honolulu airport when Barry was about half grown.
Our Forefather’s in their wisdom established our government in three parts to check and balance each other. They specifically stated the requirements for the office of the president. The SCOTUS have sworn to uphold the Constitution of the United States. Unfortunately the founding fathers did not establish who would vet each candidate to determine eligibility.
Can’t see Thomas or Roberts or Alito or......any of them let BO stink up our Constitution or our country.
Barry wishes. Malcolm X has no arrogance in his even-toned mellifluous voice.
-PJ
Star Traveler was, that's the only one I saw mention that.
Check out this post 1155
Monday?
I didn’t hear that!
I doubt that is what Berg was saying. At least not as applied to a court. Even under the laws of the State of Hawaii, and the privacy act, a court of competant jurisdiction can order the state to produce a copy of a vital record. But absent such a court order, then yes he can't be compelled to produce the BC, nor is there any rule or law saying he must as matter of course produce it. I know you want to change that, and so do the rest of us, but not just for future elections, but for this one, which is the first in well over a hundred years, where either the President or VP, and the first where the Presidential nominee/President-elect was suspect of not meeting the Natural born test. And only the second one ever. The Supreme was not involved at all in that first one. This time they are, and should do the job properly, meaning they should examine the issues and rule on the merits. If they don't then confidence in the system is greatly weakened.
We will if they say it can be compelled. We won’t get it if they say it cannot be compelled.
And if they say niether? Or refuse to examine what evidence there is for suspecting that Obama is not Natural born? What then?
Refusing to decide is not going to settle the matter, except in the sense that nothing else can be done, unless and until further evidence is brought forward. Evidence such as an entry in an INS log somewhere. Or an airline file, which might show that Stanley Ann traveled from Kenya to the US around the time of BHO Jr's birth. Or even a canceled check from Grandma Toot to said airline at the appropriate time.
-PJ
Stop using Google.
Use www.icerocket.com.
Hope that helps.
Star Trav was talking along the lines of armed revolt or accepting Obama. As in, if you don’t accept Obama you believe in armed revolt or something of the sort.
Most here don’t accept Obama yet do not publicly support armed revolt.
I didn’t think anyone was advocating armed revolt.
The Armed Revolt had been underway for well over a year (April 19th, 1775 to June-July of 1776 when the declaration was drafted). The Declaration was a statement of cause, and a of principle, not a declaration of revolt.
No, I know nothing about that site.
-PJ
That part I heard, he said they were missing, and he did not know why. I thought he said he'd have the missing pages on Monday, but if he said he could have the Kenyan BC by Monday, I hope he has good bodyguards.
Comment on Axalltorfing pre 11/04/08 from “anonymous O campaign worker may help explain some people actions on this thread tonight:
...”We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”
We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.
We did this the whole primary and it worked.
Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc....”
back in ‘61, I was traveling with a group of HS kids from church to Vancouver, BC from WA State. We crossed the border at Blaine into Canada and also returning to the USA a few days later.
The border agents, both northbound and southbound, only questioned the driver. We were waved through without showing ID - nothing. Matter-of-fact, I know I carried no ID identifying myself as a US citizen.
Then again, in ‘69, we drove up to Canada from E. WA, crossed the border, I, as the driver, showed ID (Wa DL), passed through each way, and we were on our way to visit Cananda and return. Never even occurred to us that we would need a passport. That’s just the way things were in the good ol’ days.
They haven't discourage me one iota. Matter-of-fact, I've been reading all this stuff since the first thread (The BIG Thread) back in July, waiting and waiting for some more and more damaging messages to "That One".
FR mail
can someone sum up this stuff? ...I was out all evening, saw this when the divorce papers were first put up but did not see that it was a big deal ...where is the meat?
Certainly. ED sort of played mind games part of the evening....Finally he posted part of the divorce papers. Looking over them they are rather routine. Nothing special in what he posted....She was using Stanley Ann D. Obama as her name.
Apparently from that information they have been able to go to the Port of Entry and locate their return trip records....She would have to present the BC to get the baby into the country.
Several are looking for that information, but others think Ed already has it.....Lucy T posted some links to good comments I’ll see if I can find it.
Thanks so much...I hope this pans out...but it seems to be very confusing from a legal perspective
From a legal propective...the papers tonight are only a drip in the ocean....the entire picture is so much bigger. A week or so ago I stared looking into the CHicago connections....Their is so much corruptions and so much of it is connected a layer or two away from BHO
FOr example: Blank=O appoints Burris. Burris is connected to a guy named Jim Reynolds who is in business with Michello brother, Craig Robinson, whose company has been connected to the pay for play?/corruption case in Philadelphia, Mayor, Street
It just goes on and on..and on ...and....
Surely you don’t think that any Freeper is going to blow up the White House!
Each of those Justices takes an oath to uphold the Constitution. It’s debatable whether some have ignored that oath.
With all the mystery surrounding Obama, some Americans may reject him as our President without a determination that he is indeed a natural citizen. But that rejection doesn’t mean very much in the big picture. It’s not as if we can ignore the bills and orders he’ll sign into law.
I wish Obama would just produce his damn birth certificate. But if he doesn’t, I think the Supreme Court has a Constitutional duty to rule on whether he is qualified to hold office. But I also think the Justices won’t touch this political hot potato.
“where are the missing pages”
I’m playing catch-up here this morning. But yesterday I was reading along on the chat room when this whole thing was breaking, and Caren (Ed Hale’s wife) said that they did not post them because it was (apparently) not-very-nice stuff that minors shouldn’t see. It must have been the testimony part.
The *person* you have pinged *is* not willing to text with *idiots*.
While *you* may think you understand you *really* don’t. *only* I understand.
So read my posts so you can become as smart as me.
Since there is no precedent on this question, because every viable presidential candidate in history has been honest enough to either present proof of natural born citizenship or has been so famous as to his birthplace that none need be produced.
This is the first time in our history that this has become an issue. There is no mechanism in place to flesh this out. All the presidential candidates have been honest enough to bow out if they are not eligible. Not this one. He wants this at all costs. The USSC will not touch this, because they are terrified of touching off a nationwide riot, even if the Constitution is usurped. The only avenue I can see is the various Secretaries of State to qualify or disqualify this monster from becoming president and unleashing his Marxism on us, basically unchecked.
That sounds like some Nazi style tactics.
The Star Bulletin copied the list from the Advertiser.
I was there as recently as 1985 and we got waved through too. They just checked out license plates.
I have some prime ocean front property in Elko Nevada available. Are you interested?
Obama is the only President in history where none of his parents were able to pass on their US citizenship to their son.
Well dog my cats, sure enough there it is.
I should have known the FF would have anticipated such an event. No wonder Chester Arthur did not get nominated for a run at a second term. As a VP he probably did not get much scrutiny But a direct run at the top slot? The Party was apparently not going to risk the rumors being true.
It is the tactice taught by Axelrod. FReeper found it by looking up Axelturf (SP varies)
“That sounds like some Nazi style tactics”
And what does it say about an agenda, I ask the Obama crowd, when it can only be advanced through deception?
b. Someone in the bot-camp is going to rush and bury it and the source with grandma’s ashes."
Or....c. Someone in the leftist-leaning media is going to rush to help someone in the bot-camp to bury it AND the source with grandma's ashes.
I don’t know if anyone posted this yet, but it seems Berg had this divorce document months ago...
01/02/2009: PRESS RELEASE - Philip J. Berg, Esquire Obtained the Obama 1964 Divorce File
(Contact information and PDF at end)
(Lafayette Hill, PA – 01/02/09) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States and his case, Berg vs. Obama, [is in the U.S. Supreme Court with two (2) Conferences scheduled on 1/09/09 & 1/16/09] announced he had obtained the divorce file of Stanley Ann D. Obama vs. Barack H. Obama which was filed in the First District Court of Hawaii on January 20, 1964. The Obama divorce was finalized on March 5, 1964. Mr. Berg’s office obtained these records several months ago.
The Obama divorce records state there was one [1] child born to the parties on August 4, 1961, a son, by the name of Barack Hussein Obama, II. There is absolutely no mention of where the child was born.
http://www.obamacrimes.com under press releases
WHY are there missing pages? I thought this whole episode was centered around exposing the fraud by revealing the entire document.
Can anyone answer that question?
or
D. Ed already has located the information and is again waiting a delivery service for Monday.
Couldn’t listen last night, but from what I’ve read he said it took them 4 hours to locate and the SADO name was the key...also gave the hint of Baltimore.
Hope he sells it to the Globe, so all the Bots can read it in a language they understand.
Indeed it was. I grew up in Michigan, and we vacationed in Canada every summer back in the 1960's and early 1970's. The border crossing was very informal. The agent leaned his head into the car and asked Dad who we all were and where we were going. He might have asked Dad for ID, but certainly not the rest of us. My brother and I didn't carry any ID when we were youngsters; there was no need. The Canadian border agent was always very friendly and wished us a nice vacation. On the return home to the US, the Canadian agent always asked how many fish Dad had caught, and sometimes asked to see the cooler. They were more concerned with whether the lakes were being over-fished than they were with the identity of passengers in the car. Sometimes the US agents inquired about fireworks. My brother usually bought Canadian fireworks to take home to Michigan, where the laws were more strict. My parents are naturalized citizens who speak with heavy accents. Even during the cold war years, they crossed with no problem and little scrutiny.
Let’s put it this way. The USSC is made up of human beings that are therefore fallible. I didn’t agree with their decision re: property ownership that can be taken away for the “common good” of the community (ergo to build condos, etc.). So no...I would not accept it if they just swept this under a rug and pretended that it’s not there....for the “good of the country” or otherwise. Some of us still recognize justice, or rather injustice, when we see it.
No need to be rude. I was simply stating what I heard.
Do you have a problem with that?
You make points worthy of contemplation. But I would say your portrayal of Obama is highly inaccurate—it suggests you have not fully perceived external reality.
Obama has done more than simply claim eligibility for the presidency in the traditional manner. He has withheld—more precisely, he has blocked—vast amounts of personal information from the American people. It is unprecedented.
Your assertion, in brief terms, is that we should just live with the scheme that Obama has perpetrated, even if we believe it’s fraudulent.
Can you not understand that this approach goes against the most important principles defining American conservatism?
If you can understand it, I would ask you to provide a reason why we should make such a drastic change.
As I mentioned in my post #1179, I was following along on the Plains Radio Chat room as they were discussing receiving the records and posting them - as it was happening. Ed Hale’s wife, Caren, was explaining that four pages would not be posted because of sensitive information that minors should not see.
I work in a courthouse clerks office, particularly with older records. I do a good deal of genealogy work. I am not a genealogist, but I’ve learned a lot. I have seen my share of divorce testimony and, as anybody knows, that testimony can be brutal. There is testimony about physical and verbal abuse, vulgar language, etc. I’ve seen stuff that would turn your stomach. Perhaps they felt the information therein was very sensitive in that way. But that information also gives places where stuff happened. The information in the testimony section has helped many a family historian make connections and fill in the gaps. It shouldn’t be a surprise that you can find a lot of information there. I wouldn’t be surprised if they found something pretty significant.
Still, I will reserve judgement. And Plains Radio always repeats their programs. I’m hoping to hear it myself if it’s posted today since I couldn’t be home to listen last night.
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