Skip to comments.Ed Hale got the divorcee decree of Dunham vs Obama Sr.
Posted on 01/02/2009 1:16:10 PM PST by patriot08
Ed Hale of Plains Radio has secured a copy of the Dunham/Obama divorce decree as promised. He has registered this at the courthouse and has turned the document over to lawyers who are reported to be happy and enthused over the contents.
This is the first page. This is all that can be divulged at this time as those who have seen the decree are sworn to silence. You may hear information about it tonight on Ed's plainsradio show.
I meant to ping you to post 1199.
Are we sure that this was the principle residence of Scott & Young, and that no portion of it was rented out?
That's a damn good question. What bills did Arthur sign into law?
Ah...so we get to go through this cliff-hanger excercise again on Monday, eh?
I can’t wait.
>>>WHY are there missing pages? I thought this whole episode was centered around exposing the fraud by revealing the entire document.<<<<
See Post #1179 regarding missing pages in the document.
Ok. Thanks for the explanation/info. I’ll be tuning in as well.
In 1964 I was just in my teens and traveled by air around the world by myself. Pan Am flight 001 which started in San Francisco - Honolulu, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Kolkata, Delhi, Beirut, Istanbul, Frankfurt, London, and finally New York. This took me two weeks because I stopped in various cities for a few days. I took a side trip from London to Copenhagen and Oslo then back to London to New York City for the Worlds Fair.
I flew Pan Am flight 001 and the return flight 002 (started in New York and flew the opposit direction stopping at the same cities ending in San Fran) from the U.S. to Bangkok from 1963 until 1969 every summer until I joined The Marines.
I think if you stayed on the aircraft the whole way it was a 45-48 hour flight!
Thank you for your reply.
I would LOVE to know what you come up with if you would like to share.
Thank you again.
I dislike FR being taken over by frauds. Ed Hale made a big deal of having new evidence that would be relevant to Obama's eligibility.
His accomplices here on FR made a big deal of talking up all this "new evidence" that would blow the case wide open. And after all the breathless anticipation ...
We’re realtors and we can look up ownership history in most states. When you bring up the tax report it will show past owners.
Until I hear from UH at Manoa I won’t even know if they returned to HI immediately after he received his Phd from UW at Madison in 1953. (Info on both Orland and Thelma is sketchy at best, I had sent UH an email back on Dec.11 and still have not heard from them)The Dunhams didn’t live in that home, contrary to the false story which “The Honolulu Adertiser” published in Nov./08. The Dunhams lived in two homes on Oahu prior to moving into the apartment building on S. Beretania St. First home they lived in was 2277 Kamehameha Ave. and the second home they lived in was 2234 University Ave., they moved from the house on University Ave. into the apartment at S. Beretania in 1967 after Ann and Jr went to Indonesia. Obama Sr, at that time, lived in a small, single story home located at 625 11th Ave. in the St Louis Heights district. All the addresses for the Dunhams and Obama Sr(when he originally arrived in HI in 1959 he lived in a room at the Atherton Y.M.C.A. across from UH) were located within a 1/2 mile of the University while the address in the birth announcement was located more than 7 miles from the University in the most expensive zip code of all of HI.
My theory is that Madelyn provided the address because she knew it was a “safe” one to use from her job as mortgage administrator at Bankoh.
When I learned who the owners of the property were I began to speculate if Ann had indeed lived in the small 400 sq ft cottage located in the backyard of the property. I wondered if perhaps the couple hired her to help Thelma with their three children, Andrea born March 15,1955, Mia born 1959 and Scott born 1960. I discarded this idea knowing that Ann had never even babysat while she was a teenager and had no clue as to how to handle children. Then I wondered if perhaps the Lefforge family had planned on adopting Jr since their two daughters had been adopted. The mere presence of the birth announcement in the papers negated that idea! Finally when it was announced that the adjoining property owner stated the Obamas had never lived there then I was left with my original premise that Madelyn supplied a safe address which she knew through her work as the mortgage administrator at Bankoh. Madelyn basically was the mortgage department at that time!
Another matter with that particular address was the distance from Honolulu, a minor problem today with the satellite medical clinics in the area but a major problem back in 1961. Even Frank Marshall Davis had moved closer to the urban center in 1958 due to the travelling distance.Even the home for unwed mothers(The Booth Memorial Home in 1961) was located around the corner from the Kapiolani.
Before “The Honolulu Advertiser” published their false story about homes Jr had lived in they phoned the current owner of the home (since 1979) and told her Jr had begun his life there, she replied, “I didn’t know.” The one person who could actually verify that Ann and Jr had in fact lived in the small cottage in the back yard would be Andrea Lefforge, who was a 6 1/2 year old girl at the time.
I just picked this up in the chat room at plainsradio-
proof of service, notice of motion with exhibits, proposed order
I'm sure that offering Hillary the position of Secretary of State also helped to buy her silence.
Red, were you a young bride with a newborn, who needed fed and diaper changes...No diapers then...
Little more complicated than carrying a nap sack and hitch hiking which is something many have done.
Please Ping me with any other updates regarding the missing pages.
GEE that’s sounding like CHicago politics.
I experienced the exact same thing during my travels across the border from B.C. into the U.S. They might stop the vehicle and ask the driver for their driver’s license but they paid absolutely NO attention to passengers!
Check your freepmail.
I don't know how much of this was in effect in 1961, but I would imagine something similar. If Ann Dunham brought Jr. over by plane, then he would have had to bring a passport, as they were required, even for infants.
Documentation of U.S. Citizens Born Abroad
U.S. Department of State Bureau of Consular Affairs
Documentation of United States Citizens Born Abroad Who Acquire Citizenship At Birth
The birth of a child abroad to U.S. citizen parent(s) should be reported as soon as possible to the nearest American consular office for the purpose of establishing an official record of the childs claim to U.S. citizenship at birth. The official record is in the form of a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America. This document, referred to as the Consular Report of Birth or FS-240, is considered a basic United States citizenship document. An original FS-240 is furnished to the parent(s) at the time the registration is approved.
REPORTING THE BIRTH
A Consular Report of Birth can be prepared only at an American consular office overseas while the child is under the age of 18. Usually, in order to establish the childs citizenship under the appropriate provisions of U.S. law, the following documents must be submitted:
(1) an official record of the childs foreign birth; (2) evidence of the parent(s) U.S. citizenship (e.g., a certified birth certificate, current U.S. passport, or Certificate of Naturalization or Citizenship); (3) evidence of the parents marriage, if applicable; and (4) affidavits of parent(s) residence and physical presence in the United States.
In certain cases, it may be necessary to submit additional documents, including affidavits of paternity and support, divorce decrees from prior marriages, or medical reports of blood compatibility. All evidentiary documents should be certified as true copies of the originals by the registrar of the office wherein each document was issued. A service fee of $65 is prescribed under the provisions of Title 22 of the Code of Federal Regulations, Section 22.1, item 9, for a Consular Report of Birth.
NOTE: Consular Reports of Birth are not available for persons born in Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Panama Canal Zone before October 1, 1979, the Philippines before July 4, 1946, American Samoa, Guam, Swains Island, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, or the former U.S. Trust Territories of the Pacific Islands. Birth certificates for those areas, except the Panama Canal Zone, must be obtained from their respective offices of vital statistics. Panama Canal Zone birth certificates should be requested through the Vital Records Section of Passport Services (see address below.) The fees are the same as those for DS-1350.
Consular Report of Birth (FS-240)
On November 1, 1990, the Department of State ceased issuing multiple copies of the Consular Report of Birth (FS-240). As of that date, a new format for the FS-240 went into effect. All previously issued FS-240s are acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship (Public Law 97-241 - Aug. 24, 1982). To obtain a replacement for a lost or mutilated document, please submit a notarized written request including the original FS-240 or a notarized affidavit concerning the loss of the FS-240 and a $30 fee, payable to the Department of State. Mail it to the address below. The affidavit must contain the: 1) name, (2) date, and (3) place of birth of the subject; (4) a statement regarding the whereabouts of the original FS-240; and (5) be signed by the subject, parent, or legal representative.
Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350)
If the birth was recorded in the form of a Consular Report of Birth, a Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350) can be issued in multiple copies. The DS-1350 contains the same information as that on the new format Consular Report of Birth and is acceptable for all legal purposes. The DS-1350 is not issued overseas and can be obtained only by writing to the address below.
AMENDING/CORRECTING THE CONSULAR REPORT OF BIRTH
To amend or correct a Consular Report of Birth, submit a written request - accompanied by certified copies of all documents appropriate for effecting the change (e.g., foreign birth certificate, marriage certificate, court ordered adoption or name change, birth certificates of the adopting or legitimating parents, affidavits, etc.). The original FS-240 or replacement FS-240, or a notarized affidavit concerning its whereabouts, also must be included.
OBTAINING COPIES OF THE FS-240, DS-1350, AND PANAMA CANAL ZONE BIRTH CERTIFICATES The DS-1350 or a replacement FS-240 can be obtained by writing to:
Vital Records Section Passport Services 1111 19th Street, NW, Suite 510 Washington, D.C. 20522-1705
A written request must be notarized and must include a copy of valid photo identification of the requester. The written request must include: (1) full name of child at birth (plus any adoptive names) (2) date and place of birth (3) names of parents (4) serial number, if known, of the FS-240 (on those issued after November 1, 1990) if known (5) any available passport information (6) signature of requester and (7) notarized affidavit for a replacement FS-240 (if applicable). Note: For Panama Canal Zone (PCZ) birth certificates, just include items (1) through (3).
The fee for an FS-240 is $30. The fees for DS-1350 and PCZ certificates are $30 for the first copy, $20 each additional copy . Make check or bank draft drawn on a bank in the United States, or money order, payable to the "Department of State." The Department will assume no responsibility for cash lost in the mail. Documents will be provided to the person who is the subject of the Report of Birth, the subjects parents, the subjects legal guardian, authorized government agency, or a person who submits written authorization from the subject of the Report of Birth.
CERTIFICATE OF CITIZENSHIP ISSUED BY THE IMMIGRATION AND NATURALIZATION SERVICE
A person, who acquired United States citizenship through birth abroad to a U.S. citizen parent(s) or who acquired U.S. citizenship by derivative naturalization, may apply for a Certificate of Citizenship under the provisions of Section 341 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Application for this document may be made in the United States to the nearest office of the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services in the Department of Homeland Security. Upon approval, a Certificate of Citizenship will be issued in the name of the subject, but only if that person is in the United States. Obtaining this certificate involves presentation of basically the same documentation required to obtain a Consular Report of Birth. Under law, the Consular Report of Birth and the Certificate of Citizenship are equally acceptable as proof of citizenship.
‘welcome. I’ll keep my ear to the ground
The point I was making was that a young person could travel by plane quite easily in the 60's. And a very young woman traveling alone with a newborn baby would have received a lot of attention and help by the flight attendants ... times were different and people were nicer to each other.
Also we are talking about may be a days travel time by air by herself not days and days.
I am not saying she did it just that it would not have been that difficult even with a baby.
That’s interesting... a counter argument from silence to buy silence. Sometimes it’s more effective to fight fire with fire.
Just trying to think outside the box here.
The original info is posted on the long thread and it was given from both zillow and the county assessor’s. The small “cottage” was added in 1958 but when Freepers looked at the info after the ba was posted on the web it was very curious. Originally if one went to google maps and typed in that address the result was it couldn’t be found. The only way to map it was to put UH at Manao and the other addresses in and then put that address in!(Kamehameha Ave., University Ave., Atherton Y.M.C.A., and 625 11th Ave.) Now if one goes to google maps that address comes right up and is labelled as Jr’s first address in HI. Likewise if one now goes to google maps and puts in 6075 Kalanianaole Hwy (which is the neighbor’s address who has sworn the Obamas and Dunhams never lived there in 1961) the result is that the address cannot be found! Once again other addresses have to be included with the neighbor’s address in order for it to appear. It is actually right behind the ba address.
An architect named Nani Smethurst has owned the ba property since 1979. C on the map was originally labelled as a cottage, not a garage.
One thing that also is significant to me is that it proves they were married. Since I have never seen any mention of marriage records, these papers prove they were married.
And that makes a difference to 0bama’s citizenship when born out of the country. If an unmarried US citizen mother gives birth outside the country the child is a US citizen, if born to a US citizen mother married to a foreign national, the child is the nationality of the father.* So to me, even this is interesting and significant.
*(Anyone please correct me if I’m wrong!)
make it “lawyers” way more than one.
Lan Lamphere on now with I think Pam Gellar of Atlas Shrugs dissing Ed Hale.
If you go to the link I provided which is the actual Assessors site in the other posting I made to you, on the left click on "Other Improvements" you will see that there are No Records Found. Zillow is not an accurate web site. You can bet if they had a cottage out there it would be listed and they would collect taxes on it.
A side note. Property is expensive in Hawaii, this property is now over $600,000 but their property taxes are cheap. Only $2,400 on that amount. We pay that much in property taxes on an assessed value of $186,000.
Good thinking....If Sr wasn’t the father thee would be no need for the BC.
Postpone/cancel Obama’s inauration festivities! We might have something here!!
What I didn’t see anything new about BO? Only the Rahm-E stuff.
Pam Geller, Atlas Shrugs, still on with Lan Lamphere .. she’s full of info about Obama, his past, affiliations, etc. ..and will be getting her own talk show on Patriot Brigade Radio.
BREAKING: PAMELA GELLER WILL BE THE NEW RADIO TALK SHOW HOST ON PATRIOT BRIGADE TALK RADIO..... day and time to be announced. (more here) oorah
Im very happy to announce that an agreement with Pam Geller has been reached between the Patriot Brigade Talk Radio Network to host and broadcast the Pam Geller Radio Show which is being produced now by Lamp Here Productions, LLC in Norman OK.
Pams radio show will feature anything and everything she wants to talk about and will prove to be not only entertaining, but very informative as only Pam knows how to do it. Look for it at the Patriot Brigade Talk Radio Network soon!
patriot08; STARWISE; Frantzie; dennisw; penelopesire; BulletBobCo; seekthetruth; Kevmo; gunnyg; ...
Has there been PROOF as to WHO Obama Jr’s FATHER is, and WHEN Obama Jr was born?
172 posted on Friday, January 02, 2009 5:56:00 PM by BP2
What happened to you ? You were posting all the updates and FRmails before Ed Hale’s show, then poof ... you’ve been gone.
The show is a repeat from last night, but I agree that Pamela Geller did a terrific job.
She’s great .. just needs to back away from the
phone .. too much distracting static.
Actually, like spitting into the phone.
I know you are well aware of this, but I thought for others, it might be of interest. I had Googled various threads and I got "Obama's boyhood homes". This lead to the Honolulu Advertiser. com thread. It did show a small sort of trailer, a tastefully and lovingly cared for property. It was said to be at the back of the house on the Kalanianole Highway- unless I have it wrong.
Of course this proves little, except that it did exist as a sort of addition to the main building and separate.
Per your last post that I’m referencing here..., I did finally get to bed and I’m going to have to be out and around today, so will have to get back late tonight or tomorrow.
But, in the meantime, I did come across some other posts that might be interesting reading for others... LOL.. (you already know about it, though...)
Explain to me the difference between those of you that have convinced themselves that obama isn't a citizen and the goofs on the left that were convinced the Bush stole the election in 2000 and 2004?
It’s “standard practice” for those who wish to *enforce* the “hive mentallity” of the Borg Collective... LOL...
You can see some of it over here...
Call me a troll if you wish
***OK. I wish. You are a troll. Not necessarily a troll to FR, you’re a troll to the certifigate threads. You’re the kind of coward that we have taken to calling a defeatist French troll.
BTW: Did he reveal the proof last night or is he still stringing people like you along and asking for more money?
***I don’t care about Ed Hale. I have no confidence in him. How many times are you going to ask the same question? And how many times does a troll avoid the questions asked of him? You are a coward.
Explain to me the difference
***Are you going to answer my contentions, then? Or is this just a one way street? FReeper protocol actually suggests that you should be answering ALL of my previous questions before asking any more ridiculous crud.
between those of you that have convinced themselves that obama isn’t a citizen and the goofs on the left that were convinced the Bush stole the election in 2000 and 2004?
***Simple. For the 2000 election. That went to the SCOTUS and it was decided, just like this issue is going to the SCOTUS. Show me in the constitution where it says that Florida gets to recount and recount and recount its votes until the democrat comes up the winner? Huh, I can’t hear you! That’s because you CAN’T show it to me in the constitution and the SCOTUS rightfully stepped in. Show me in the constitution where it says a pres must be natural born. THAT one IS in the constitution. As for the 2004 election, that one didn’t even end up before the SCOTUS. So this issue, which has been forwarded for conference to colleagues at SCOTUS 4 times, has more validity than the 2004 election and about the same measure of validity as the 2000 election.
No more questions from you, troll. You answer every question put to you before you ask any more.
Why ping me? I’ve told you I’m not reading your posts. It looks like you just whined to the admin mod or somethin’. Best of luck with that, troll.
Mod, if you need further evidence of trollhood regarding this freeper, lj and MHG have plenty.
No matter my answers to you it would never be enough or the âcorrectâanswers for you. You have convinced yourself that obama is not a citizen and should not be president and anyone that disagrees with you is a troll, very du of you. Go ahead and call me whatever, just ask yourself this one question: Who are these people that have signed up since the election that are pushing this on the board? Why did they suddenly show up and are so passionate about this? Ever think maybe you are being used? Oh, thats right you are to smart for that. BTW: Did you vote for McCain?
More questions from you?
Answers, troll, answers. That’s all I will read from you. If you ever get to that point, we can have a reasonable civil dialogue but until then the one way street is closed down.
Great stuff and thanks very much we need much more of this and less of the Star Traveler type comments. Let the truth fall where it may.
Is it significant that he deceived the Illinois Bar Association with his perjury regarding 'other names' he has been known by during his life?
Is it significant that he posted a forged COLB to game the campaign system and collect hundreds of millions in campaign funds under false pretenses?
Is it significant that he has posted an altered Selective Service document as his proof of 'registration' for selective service?
Is it significant that he has sent an army of lawyers and detectives out into the world--literally from Kenya to Hawaii and across the US of A--to hide every scrap of documentation for his adult life?
Is it significant that Obama's handlers have paid an army of liars and twisters to work the Internet chatrooms and places like Freerepublic, to obfuscate and lie where anything arises which would expose the part-black/more Arab affirmative action poseur?
Is it significant that Obama and his election results are closely tied to criminal activities of ACORN and to domestic terrorists?
Is it significant that Obama has lied openly and repeatedly, with layers of lies on several issues, like Ayers and Wright, to deceive voters?
... For too many, those things are not disqualifiers of an affirmative action candidate. Those folks do not deserve the Constitutional Republic much blood has been shed to protect. To some of us, it is like a waving red sheet in front of an angry bull. This lying piece of excrement needs to be exposed so he can be rejected by We The People. He is not, nor is the threatened violence of his scyophants, more important than the Constitutional contract which connects We The People to the federal authority we granted for governance. This is an extremely serious issue and must be pushed to the limits, NOW.
Axelrod inc. are ace web scrubbers.
No one does it like they do. Today you see it tomorrow it's gone.
I have never ever seen anyone as paranoid as the Obama crime family. We have to be quick to pick up stuff because the minute we do and they find out about it they will start their seek and destroy mission immediately.
These guys are arch Marxists and don't dare want the light of day to ever shine on their ops, IMHO.
If he had anything, he'd show it.
Learn to discern for yourself what is good info and what is bad. Then you won’t be scammed be anyone.
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