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Were Dinosaurs on Noah’s Ark? (yes)
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Posted on 01/13/2009 9:58:56 AM PST by Ron Jeremy

So, Were Dinosaurs on the Ark?

In Genesis 6:19–20, the Bible says that two of every sort of land vertebrate (seven of the “clean” animals) were brought by God to the Ark. Therefore, dinosaurs (land vertebrates) were represented on the Ark. How Did Those Huge Dinosaurs Fit on the Ark?

Although there are about 668 names of dinosaurs, there are perhaps only 55 different “kinds” of dinosaurs. Furthermore, not all dinosaurs were huge like the brachiosaurus, and even those dinosaurs on the Ark were probably “teenagers” or young adults.

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To: Ron Jeremy

>> The basic problem you have is that if you allow for human misinterpretation, then you require humans to use reason and logic along with faith. Most don’t want to do that, they just want to blindly follow something.

This is a vast overstatement, and a liberal caricature of people of faith. To contend that “most” believers want to “blindly” follow rather than using “reason and logic along with faith” is simply not true.

Many believers, myself included, have arrived at their faith due to reason and logic. I believe this is the state of the VAST majority of the faithful.

Certainly, there are leaps of faith for any believer which requires belief in events which are beyond scientific proof ... but I believe it arrogant to contend that the human mind is fully capable of grasping the divine. True wisdom is knowing when something is beyond one’s understanding — true arrogance is contending that because one cannot understand, it must not be true. To await “proof” prior to any belief is simply ridiculous.

Granted, there are some believers who will blindly buy whatever their pastors tell them — but I’d venture that their numbers are vastly outweighed by the number of people that believe blindly in their own “moral compass” or their own “reasoned” assessment of the world. Personally, I’ll take someone who “blindly” has faith in God over someone whose “blind” faith is in themselves alone.

SnakeDoc


151 posted on 01/13/2009 2:02:19 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas." -- David Crockett)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Yes, fair enough. That was a WAY over-exaggeration. I have just been frustrated lately by some here, and elsewhere, who believe silly things.


152 posted on 01/13/2009 2:10:22 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy
So, Were Dinosaurs on the Ark?

Don't know.

Still trying to figure out why Noah took two damn mosquitos with him.

153 posted on 01/13/2009 2:12:41 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat. But they know what's best.)
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To: demshateGod
I’ll just keep my Bible and call your prophets liars and trust that God is telling the truth.

That's fine--it is your perfect right to do so. Just don't pretend that you're basing any of your beliefs on observable facts or the scientific process.

You can believe that the stars are holes poked in the blanket pulled over the sky at night for all I care, but don't try to tell me that astronomy is anti-god because it contradicts your particular religious beliefs.

154 posted on 01/13/2009 2:44:31 PM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Ron Jeremy

And, they were vegetarians.


155 posted on 01/13/2009 2:46:50 PM PST by Larry Lucido (I was predestined to be an Arminian but am considering choosing Calvinism.)
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To: mnehrling

Sorry, I’m NOT asking for an apatopawhatever burger. It’s BRONTOburger or nothing!


156 posted on 01/13/2009 2:55:31 PM PST by Larry Lucido (I was predestined to be an Arminian but am considering choosing Calvinism.)
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To: demshateGod
The god that can’t get his word properly written is a weak, inadequate god

You might want to re-read the book of Job.

157 posted on 01/13/2009 2:58:36 PM PST by huck von finn
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To: demshateGod

Pope Benedict XVI is a biblical scholar. You betray your ignorance and bigotry in claiming “he was never much of a Bible reader”.


158 posted on 01/13/2009 3:06:27 PM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: NC28203
But where did they go after disembarking from the ark? Why are they not around today?

They missed their connecting ark and went extinct waiting for customer service.

159 posted on 01/13/2009 3:06:31 PM PST by Larry Lucido (I was predestined to be an Arminian but am considering choosing Calvinism.)
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To: N. Theknow
Still trying to figure out why Noah took two damn mosquitos with him.

Mark Twain always wondered about the house fly. LOL

160 posted on 01/13/2009 3:33:45 PM PST by huck von finn
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To: huck von finn

I wonder if more than the limited two fleas hitched a ride or did Noah pick off all the excess fleas before the animals boarded so there where just two..


161 posted on 01/13/2009 3:39:13 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling
It is hard to take them seriously when they still refer to the Brontosaurus. Other than children's coloring books, no one has called the Apatosaurus that in decades.

I'm with Steven J Gould on this one. "Thunder Lizard" is too good a name to lose. Rule of Cool applies.

162 posted on 01/13/2009 3:54:04 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: ZX12R
The T-Rex’s toenails are painted.

Which explains why they became extinct. Noah took gay dinosaurs onto the Ark

163 posted on 01/13/2009 3:58:42 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: demshateGod; Locomotive Breath
That is a funny image but it’s possible the momma raptors didn’t keep their young around. That’s pretty common for reptiles.

Raptors closest living relatives are crocodilians and birds, both showing maternal behaviour.

164 posted on 01/13/2009 4:12:13 PM PST by Oztrich Boy ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule." - H L Mencken.)
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To: mnehrling

He had to count all of them and choose just two! LOL


165 posted on 01/13/2009 5:07:59 PM PST by huck von finn
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To: Oztrich Boy

Gould is a great writer. I don’t always agree with him, but I teach his essays in college on a regular basis.


166 posted on 01/13/2009 5:09:30 PM PST by huck von finn
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To: huck von finn

“You might want to re-read the book of Job”

I wasn’t talking about the God of the Bible. I was talking about the god who doesn’t know the difference between a world wide flood and a local flood and doesn’t know the difference between a day and a billion years. I was talking about the god of these freepers.


167 posted on 01/14/2009 4:19:57 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

You probably shouldn’t pretend your belief in evolution or the age of the earth is based on observable facts either.


168 posted on 01/14/2009 4:25:16 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Teh Stupid, it is strong in this thread.


169 posted on 01/14/2009 5:54:02 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: demshateGod

“That’s not true and science can’t prove that. All their so called proofs are based on presupposition and your belief in their theory is based on years of indoctrination.”

Teh Stupid burnz strong in this one.


170 posted on 01/14/2009 5:55:24 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
Teh Stupid burnz strong in this one.

Correct you are. But like Yoda you sound.

171 posted on 01/14/2009 5:57:50 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mnehrling

Can we be serious for a second. There was no global flood. It never happened. there is no geological evidence for it and there are civillizations that were unbroken across the time period the flood happened. Written Egyptian records exist both before and after this flood and they never experienced it. The dynasty of that time was unbroken. So would people please stop this YEC nonsense.


172 posted on 01/14/2009 6:01:21 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
Not to mention mathematically, there just isn't enough water (unless you also believe in a hollow earth.)

There is not enough water to cover the entire earth, including the top of Mt. Everest (29, 028 feet above sea level). If the ice caps on Greenland and Antarctica were to melt, it would raise sea levels only a few hundred feet (see calculation). If every cloud worldwide were to rain out all its water, it would still raise the sea levels only another inch. Genesis reports that the "fountains of the deep" spewed forth more water. Until geologists find evidence of these fountains, or discover the underground aquifers that hold 6 miles deep of water worldwide, I cannot honestly accept the idea of a non-miraculous worldwide flood. When evidence for fountains is discovered, I'll be happy to take a look at it.

Calculation: Maximum estimate for raising of ocean levels from melting ice caps.

Greenland and Antarctica contain 97% of the world's glacial ice. The area of Greenland is 840,000 square miles (source: Rand McNally Illustrated Atlas of the World, 1989). The area of Antarctica is 5,400,000 square miles. Since we want a maximum estimate, let's assume that both of those places are solid ice right down to the waterline. The mean elevation of Greenland is 7,000 feet, so Greenland contains 5.88E+9 square-mile-feet of water (like acre-feet). The mean elevation of Antarctica is 6,000 feet, so Antarctica contains 3.24E+10 square-mile-feet of water. So the total amount of glacial ice is 3.828E+10 square-mile-feet.

Let's further assume that the melting water is used only to raise the levels of the major oceans and seas, that the rising sea level does not spill over onto the land (we are estimating the maximum rise). The area of the oceans and seas is 139,100,000 square miles. So if we divide the square-mile-feet of ice by the square miles of the oceans, we obtain (3.828E+10 / 1.391E+8):

275 feet

Compared to glacial ice, the amount of water in clouds around the world is only a trace amount. "If all of this [water] vapor were to suddenly condense and fall as rain, it would be enough to cover the entire globe with 2.5 centimeters, or 1 inch of water." (from Meteorology Today, by C. Donald Ahrens, 2000, Sixth Edition, Chapter 5, pp. 108-109.) So we are left with the same figure of 275 feet.

Most young earth creationists are aware of the huge disparity between this figure and the height of Mt. Everest. They propose various mechanisms during the Flood year to address the problem (vapor canopy, extremely catastrophic plate tectonics, underground aquifers). I do not find these theories credible on Biblical or scientific grounds.

173 posted on 01/14/2009 6:36:00 AM PST by mnehring
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To: demshateGod

You’re not serious, are you? Do you really think that observable physical reality does not demonstrate that the earth is far, far older than a few thousand years? Really?

Have you ever opened an astronomy textbook? How about geology? Archeology?


174 posted on 01/14/2009 7:01:54 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: doc30
Teh Stupid burnz strong in this one.

A tremendous-mega-ultra-super-duper-nova is weak in comparison. I have doubts about science, but jumping jehosephat.
175 posted on 01/14/2009 7:10:34 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

I went to public school and public college, I was indoctrinated in the religion of evolution and zillions of years. It’s really no wonder so many people believe that nonsense, it was in all of their awesome dinosaur coloring books, it was in their favorite cartoons, the teachers gave them an F if they didn’t put 3.5 billion years on the test, the Crocodile Hunter said it on every show.

Let’s say the dating methods are completely accurate, you still don’t know if that rock was created with age already designed into it. God is capable of that. Your assumptions are so hidden from those you try to persuade they’re either hid with ignorance or with malice.


176 posted on 01/14/2009 9:30:15 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: demshateGod
you still don’t know if that rock was created with age already designed into it. God is capable of that.

If you choose to believe in a god that purposefully deceives people about the natural world, that is your business. Again, however, so long as you don't pretend that such a belief is based on observation or the scientific process, and don't pretend that such a belief belongs anywhere in the pubic classroom, we have no conflict.

177 posted on 01/14/2009 9:54:03 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

Public classrooms don’t belong anywhere, but that’s another issue. The young earth position actually has much better standing because there are people who have written about it saying God told them how it happened. You could call them liars, as you have, but that doesn’t mean they’re liars. Your position has nothing to go off except some rock in a lab that magically tell you how old they are. I don’t know, has Shirley McClain written any books about the age of the earth?


178 posted on 01/14/2009 9:59:48 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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By the young earth assumption there are trillions of stars all within 6000 light years. That would be one hot and crowded sky :)


179 posted on 01/14/2009 10:06:08 AM PST by TerP26
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To: demshateGod
Noah was pretty smart. He took baby animals on the ark with him. Since dinosaurs were just overgrown lizards..... You anti-creation people are funny.
Lizards? AYRTS, IA?
180 posted on 01/14/2009 10:10:56 AM PST by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: demshateGod
The young earth position actually has much better standing because there are people who have written about it saying God told them how it happened.

So if someone has a book that they state was divinely inspired and/or authored, that should by definition trump observable reality? Or do you just think your own interpretation of your own divinely inspired and/or authored book has that position?

For example, if a Hindu holy text states that the earth sits atop an elephant, which stands atop a turtle, should India base its space program upon that belief rather than the observable data obtained through the scientific process?

You could call them liars, as you have, but that doesn’t mean they’re liars.

I've called no one a liar, I have simply requested that you not attempt to pass your own interpretation of your own holy text as being based upon observable facts or the scientific process.

Your position has nothing to go off except some rock in a lab that magically tell you how old they are.

You may have attended college, but its pretty clear you weren't paying attention in any of the relevant classes. Astronomy, cosmology, biology, archeology, and geology all cofirm that the earth and the univers are far, far older than a few thousand years. Do you dispute that?

181 posted on 01/14/2009 10:10:59 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Ron Jeremy

Well, we all know what happened to the unicorns don’t we?


182 posted on 01/14/2009 10:11:51 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Today is just a little more special than yesterday.)
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To: demshateGod
I guess God is stupid. Or, maybe not. Maybe He trusted Noah to just take dinosaur eggs or baby dinosaurs.

Pro 17:28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips [is esteemed] a man of understanding.

The Bible, having been written by God, is unassailable.

LOL... you're a whole new kind of stupid.
183 posted on 01/14/2009 10:13:48 AM PST by ketsu (ItÂ’s not a campaign. ItÂ’s a taxpayer-funded farewell tour.)
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To: TerP26
By the young earth assumption there are trillions of stars all within 6000 light years. That would be one hot and crowded sky :)

That assumes that the speed of light
has always been the same as it is today.

There is empirical evidence that it has
slowed down on a steeply declining curve
and is now asymptotic.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
184 posted on 01/14/2009 10:17:12 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

“Do you dispute that?”

Yes, those sciences are incapable of proving what you assert.


185 posted on 01/14/2009 10:20:40 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: demshateGod
The young earth position actually has much better standing because there are people who have written about it saying God told them how it happened.

Plenty of people claim to heart God speaking to them. Maybe some of them are right, but there's no way to distinguish such people from the ones that are lying or suffering from a mental illness.

Mohammed, after all, believed that God dictated the Koran to him.

Your position has nothing to go off except some rock in a lab that magically tell you how old they are.

It's amazing how many creationists are willing to dismiss and belittle the the fruits of Western scientific progress.

186 posted on 01/14/2009 10:20:48 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: demshateGod
Yes, those sciences are incapable of proving what you assert.

Can you tell me why, without resorting to a supernatural explanation?

187 posted on 01/14/2009 10:25:26 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: XeniaSt
There is empirical evidence that it has slowed down on a steeply declining curve and is now asymptotic.

Really!? Whoever has that evidence should make it public and start collecting Nobel Prizes. After all, such "empirical evidence" would overturn nearly every single aspect of modern physics, not to mention disproving Einstein's Relativity theories, which have been confirmed through nearly a century of experimental observation!

188 posted on 01/14/2009 10:30:40 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Citizen Blade
It's amazing how many creationists are willing to dismiss and belittle the the fruits of Western scientific progress.

"Amazing" is one word for it.

189 posted on 01/14/2009 10:35:16 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Hot Tabasco

T-Rex ate them on the ark, right?


190 posted on 01/14/2009 10:36:45 AM PST by FixedandDilated
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To: ketsu

Because I believe the Bible?

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Jhn 16:3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.


191 posted on 01/14/2009 10:38:05 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
After all, such "empirical evidence" would overturn nearly every single aspect of modern physics, not to mention disproving Einstein's Relativity theories, which have been confirmed through nearly a century of experimental observation!

What would happen to "m"
if "c" increases to infinity in E=mc**2 ?

I think mass approaches zero.

"Let there be light".

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
192 posted on 01/14/2009 10:41:45 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe you stated that there was “empirical evidence” that the speed of light had “slowed down on a steeply declining curve and is now asymptotic.”

What you posted is most definitely not “empirical evidence,” and in no way demonstrates that the speed of light has slowed.


193 posted on 01/14/2009 10:55:37 AM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
THE VACUUM, LIGHT SPEED, AND THE REDSHIFT

194 posted on 01/14/2009 11:00:55 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

Barry Setterfield! That’s even further from “empirical evidence” than your earlier post, because rather than a complete lack of evidence, he offers mathmatical errors, sloppy calculations, outright lies, and fudged conclusions.

http://homepage.mac.com/cygnusx1/cdecay/cdecay_2007Jellison3.pdf


195 posted on 01/14/2009 1:26:12 PM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: demshateGod
Because I believe the Bible?

No, because you believe things that are totally absurd, due to an unwillingness to 'understand' the bible.

196 posted on 01/14/2009 1:56:08 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw
Mazol Tov

Have a nice journey.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

197 posted on 01/14/2009 2:16:46 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: stefanbatory

I don’t have much to say about it, and I don’t plan to ping the list on this topic. :’)


198 posted on 01/14/2009 4:46:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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