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Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]
springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by Coyoteman

We will see and hear the term “Darwinism” a lot during 2009, a year during which scientists, teachers, and others who delight in the accomplishments of modern biology will commemorate the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. But what does “Darwinism” mean? And how is it used? At best, the phrase is ambiguous and misleading about science. At worst, its use echoes a creationist strategy to demonize evolution.

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In summary, then, “Darwinism” is an ambiguous term that impairs communication even about Darwin’s own ideas. It fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin’s day. Moreover, creationists use “Darwinism” to frame evolutionary biology as an ism or ideology, and the public understanding of evolution and science suffers as a result. True, in science, we do not shape our research because of what creationists claim about our subject matter. But when we are in the classroom or otherwise dealing with the public understanding of science, it is entirely appropriate to consider whether what we say may be misunderstood. We cannot expect to change preconceptions if we are not willing to avoid exacerbating them. A first step is eschewing the careless use of “Darwinism.”

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To: metmom

IMHO, he’s passionate about his work, and that means he had an emotional attachment to the issue. He let somebody provoke him into an emotional response, and he paid for it.


551 posted on 01/29/2009 12:33:39 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
We creationists have seen that and that is what we're fighting, not the science itself. It would be good if some of the evos saw that as well.

Obviously the liberals posing as conservatives could care less, and those in the death grip of that cult are equally as hopeless, which, IMO leaves a very small number of people, by the looks of FR anyway.

552 posted on 01/29/2009 12:34:11 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: LeGrande; metmom
I am an atheist. I find it amusing that you are convinced that you have the "truth" because you believe in Christ.

*****************

What a surprise.

553 posted on 01/29/2009 12:39:24 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tpanther
Regarding post #332

Um...my first question to someone who claims that Christianity belongs in public school (and I speak as someone who homeschools her daughter) is: who's version of Christianity? If I were to agree to a full-fledged endorsement of Christian involvement in public school, that is a basic resolution that has to be made, because I can already hear the screams of protest that Baptists would have against a RCCer teaching their children the 'evil Papist cult'. And already in this thread I have seen one or two attempts by FReepers to sneer at the public pronouncement of a religious leader (the Roman Catholic Pope) - which tells me they arent really interested in freedom of religion...just unchallenged access to their own particular interpretation. I would have objections to the Bible Literalists teaching my (Anglican) Catholic child that the concept of transubstantiation is a Bad Thing and a Lie. My child would be subject to their inconsistency and confused version of faith - if she is to believe in a Literal interpretation of Genesis, why is she then not allowed to not believe in a Literal command from Christ Himself to "take, eat, for this is My Body, which will be given up for you"?????

Do you see the problem *I* have with agreeing with Christians who say they are battling the scientists in the public sector???

At least in science, the TRUE scientific method, any inconsistencies are weeded out or given the ability to be vetted. If my Catholic child were to end up under the tutelage of a Protestant, what chance would she have except to be told that she is a Non-Believer?...which is what *I* am told ALL THE TIME by Literalists for accepting the scientific methodology behind the study of evolution. Once they start doing that, I am very much NOT inclined to give them any credence.

554 posted on 01/29/2009 12:41:53 PM PST by Alkhin (I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell. ~ Harry S Truman)
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To: Anatheme

Well you be sure and let me know who did write that tagline and I’ll change it right away.

You know, once you provide indisputable proof, through sufficient peer review and the like.

GOOD RIDDANCE Coyoteman


555 posted on 01/29/2009 12:45:47 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
Read the Word. God wrote down everything we needed to know.

Everything?

What are you doing on the internet, then? God didn't tell us how to build computers.

It’s written in plain English for even the slow to understand.

The last time I checked, Genesis was written in Hebrew, not English (though a number of people have made more-or-less accurate translations).

556 posted on 01/29/2009 12:56:17 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Alkhin

BTTT


557 posted on 01/29/2009 12:56:17 PM PST by Alkhin (I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell. ~ Harry S Truman)
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To: tacticalogic
"Just asking. "

Take your gear and go fishing somewhere else. I've made it plain to you what I think. I don't propose to defend the opinion of someone else. In my opinion 'yoteman expired from a self-inflicted wound. Quit your dancing and end this discussion.

558 posted on 01/29/2009 12:56:37 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: trisham
There does appear to be an emotional investment by the Darwinists in the theory of evolution.

I no longer believe they give a damn about the theory of evolution or even science, their emotional investment is in destroying traditional Judeo-Christian culture and replacing it with secularism and also promoting eugenics.

559 posted on 01/29/2009 12:57:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: gondramB
Sadly, there some DC members so filled with pain and so intent on lashing out at Freep and/or Christians in general that the place is too fixated for me. Throw in some stalking behavior and DC has just become unhealthy.

Its very sad because there is an incredible collection of bright education conservative folks with a lot of insight and humor at DC. Very, very sad, in fact.

I know what you mean. I stopped posting there due to some of the snobbish attitudes and the fixation on FR.

560 posted on 01/29/2009 12:58:09 PM PST by Sarajevo (You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

God told us everything we need to know in plain English in the KJV Bible. We don’t need to know about the internets to get to Heaven.


561 posted on 01/29/2009 12:58:50 PM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: LeGrande; metmom
Your belief in Christianity should be secondary to your belief in freedom.

You couldn't be more wrong! Without God THERE IS NO FREEDOM

562 posted on 01/29/2009 12:59:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: metmom
"No, that would not be a fair assessment. "

Ain't no trout left in that brook.

563 posted on 01/29/2009 12:59:09 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: metmom
You give a new meaning to Brownian motion.

I take it your non answer to my question means that you prioritize your Christian religious belief above all other beliefs, especially other peoples belief in freedom.

564 posted on 01/29/2009 1:00:16 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande; metmom
Intolerance and discrimination are fine, if you do it for the proper reason.

You and your ilk should really shy away from threads like this, because invariably your true agenda is always exposed.

565 posted on 01/29/2009 1:01:15 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
God told us everything we need to know in plain English in the KJV Bible.

God wrote the KJV Bible?

566 posted on 01/29/2009 1:01:26 PM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: YHAOS

I understand.


567 posted on 01/29/2009 1:01:40 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: LeGrande; metmom
I take it your non answer to my question means that you prioritize your Christian religious belief above all other beliefs, especially other peoples belief in freedom.

YOU don't believe in freedom, YOU believe in INTOLERANCE and DISCRIMINATION.

568 posted on 01/29/2009 1:03:46 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
You and your ilk should really shy away from threads like this, because invariably your true agenda is always exposed.

I am sorry that the idea of freedom is so repugnant to you.

May your master treat you kindly : )

569 posted on 01/29/2009 1:05:58 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande
I am sorry that the idea of freedom is so repugnant to you.

YOUR definition of "freedom" which includes discrimination and intolerance IS REPUGNANT.

570 posted on 01/29/2009 1:07:34 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Intolerance and discrimination are the primary goals of the evo-atheists. It’s why they want to insist we are no better than pond scum; that way they can kick the *weak* down without mercy.
Intolerance and discrimination are always wrong. That’s why the evo-atheists should never be allowed to spread there garbage without a fight. In the End, God will separate the wheat from the chaff. Then the evo-atheists will know the true error they have made.


571 posted on 01/29/2009 1:12:01 PM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: wagglebee
YOU don't believe in freedom, YOU believe in INTOLERANCE and DISCRIMINATION.

I don't tolerate ignorance and stupidity and discriminate against beliefs that epitomize stupidity and ignorance. How is that in any way against freedom? Ignorance and stupidity are anathema to freedom.

You may want to look up anathema : )

572 posted on 01/29/2009 1:12:09 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande
I don't tolerate ignorance and stupidity and discriminate against beliefs that epitomize stupidity and ignorance. How is that in any way against freedom?

You and your ilk have perpetuated the deaths of OVER ONE BILLION innocent human beings in the past century. I can certainly see how that fits into your principles of intolerance and discrimination, but not freedom.

573 posted on 01/29/2009 1:14:39 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
Intolerance and discrimination are the primary goals of the evo-atheists. It’s why they want to insist we are no better than pond scum; that way they can kick the *weak* down without mercy.

I'm not sure of what you mean by "evo-atheists." I've known some people in the field of biology in academia. None of them were the type who would ever kick down the weak or oppress anyone.

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that biologists working in the field of evolution are some sort of oppressors. It's very strange.

574 posted on 01/29/2009 1:15:16 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
It’s why they want to insist we are no better than pond scum; that way they can kick the *weak* down without mercy.

As evidenced by the ONE BILLION PLUS people they have MURDERED in the past century.

575 posted on 01/29/2009 1:15:32 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Citizen Blade; ToGodBeTheGlory
I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that biologists working in the field of evolution are some sort of oppressors.

Darwinism has NOTHING to do with biologists working on a theory, it is solely dedicated to the destruction of Judeo-Christian culture and eugenics. The absurd claim that they are interested in biology is as laughable as the claim that communists were working to better the working class.

576 posted on 01/29/2009 1:18:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
You and your ilk have perpetuated the deaths of OVER ONE BILLION innocent human beings in the past century. I can certainly see how that fits into your principles of intolerance and discrimination, but not freedom.

LOL You don't like me do you? You mouth the word freedom, do you have a clue as to what it means?

577 posted on 01/29/2009 1:18:58 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: wagglebee

What it comes down to is all *science* is political, and they will use politics to smash the weak and further their agendas for power.


578 posted on 01/29/2009 1:20:02 PM PST by ToGodBeTheGlory ("Darwinism" is Satanism.)
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To: LeGrande
You mouth the word freedom, do you have a clue as to what it means?

Please explain to me how Darwinists killing a billion people advanced freedom.

579 posted on 01/29/2009 1:21:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

See what I wrote in #501, Darwinism isn’t about science at all and it hasn’t been for a long time.

It is a political philosophy designed to destroy Judeo-Christian culture and replace it with a ruling elite class. It has worked hand-in-hand with Marxism, communism and socialism for the past century to pursue their shared agenda.


580 posted on 01/29/2009 1:24:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LeGrande; wagglebee
You mouth the word freedom, do you have a clue as to what it means?

On the contrary, you've been the one who's demonstrated the problems with ordinary vocabulary.

581 posted on 01/29/2009 1:25:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
their emotional investment is in destroying traditional Judeo-Christian culture and replacing it with secularism and also promoting eugenics.

My only emotional investment comes from constantly being told that I'm a satanist devil-worshipping atheist crypto-liberal bent on destroying Judeo-Christian values and killing unborn babies and anyone else I think is inferior and that I'll end up roasting in hell while the "good Christians" gloat at my suffering. That cr*p does get pretty annoying, I'll admit.

582 posted on 01/29/2009 1:27:46 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: LeGrande; Jim Robinson

You took apart my post bit by bit and answered every question but the last one. So I’ll repeat it here for you to give you the chance.

Just for the record, why did you feel it necessary to ping JR to your post to me?

(Courtesy ping to JR in response)


583 posted on 01/29/2009 1:27:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
IMHO, he’s passionate about his work, and that means he had an emotional attachment to the issue. He let somebody provoke him into an emotional response, and he paid for it.

That's the only conclusion that I could come to.

584 posted on 01/29/2009 1:29:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
You mouth the word freedom, do you have a clue as to what it means?

Please explain to me how Darwinists killing a billion people advanced freedom.

I asked you a question and you respond by accusing Darwinists of killing a billion people? LOL I am sorry if cognitive dissonance hurts so badly.

585 posted on 01/29/2009 1:31:19 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
bent on destroying Judeo-Christian values and killing unborn babies and anyone else I think is inferior

Then why do you support a philosophy which espouses this agenda?

586 posted on 01/29/2009 1:32:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LeGrande
I asked you a question and you respond by accusing Darwinists of killing a billion people?

Which part are you disputing? The body count or the deaths themselves?

587 posted on 01/29/2009 1:33:53 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; trisham

It comes across more not that they’re scientists defending their theory from attack, which is really an irrational position to take anyway, as any decent scientist should realize that his theory is going to come under scrutiny.

But rather that they are liberals hiding behind the facade of science.

They’re using science to give their agenda some air of respectability. Then when anyone challenges them, they can take the injured tone and be the persecuted martyr, and accuse their opponents of being anti-science, anti-progress, wanting to take us back to the dark ages.

One of the other things that they fail to acknowledge is that it wasn’t intellectual heights that made this country great, but rather moral character. It’s integrity and truthfulness. There’ve been plenty of brilliant men who were unspeakably evil and many people suffered for that.


588 posted on 01/29/2009 1:37:37 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
You couldn't be more wrong! Without God THERE IS NO FREEDOM

No, there isn't. There's just intolerance and discrimination left which results in oppression and slavery.

Situational ethics never worked.

589 posted on 01/29/2009 1:39:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
You took apart my post bit by bit and answered every question but the last one. So I’ll repeat it here for you to give you the chance.

You didn't return the courtesy by answering my questions. If you don't answer my questions I feel no obligation to answer yours.

590 posted on 01/29/2009 1:39:43 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande
I take it your non answer to my question means that you prioritize your Christian religious belief above all other beliefs, especially other peoples belief in freedom.

Are you working with a computer program that just strings together random words into sentences?

You've yet to make any sense in the questions you've asked me.

591 posted on 01/29/2009 1:41:01 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

Don’t forget that you’re dealing with someone who claims to be a libertarian who thinks that we need more honor and accountability, something antithetical to a supposed libertarian stance.

I’ve rarely seen anyone speak out of both sides of his mouth like this one.


592 posted on 01/29/2009 1:44:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
Which part are you disputing? The body count or the deaths themselves?

What does that have to do with belief in freedom vs religious belief?

If all you want to do is try and insult me, be my guest : ) I enjoy a good insult. I would appreciate it if you could try and be original though, I get bored easily.

593 posted on 01/29/2009 1:46:47 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: metmom
I’ve rarely seen anyone speak out of both sides of his mouth like this one.

When a person is masquerading they nearly always expose themselves as a fraud.

594 posted on 01/29/2009 1:47:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LeGrande; wagglebee
I don't tolerate ignorance and stupidity and discriminate against beliefs that epitomize stupidity and ignorance. How is that in any way against freedom? Ignorance and stupidity are anathema to freedom.

For all your blather about freedom, you haven't even adequately defined it. You spout off about freedom to believe as one wishes and yet you don't allow that for those who you disagree with.

595 posted on 01/29/2009 1:48:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande
What does that have to do with belief in freedom vs religious belief?

Are you so obtuse as to be unable to understand how murdering a billion people is an affront to freedom? Unless of course one adopts your "intolerance and discrimination" definition of freedom, in which case it fits perfectly (double-speak and changing the meaning of words has long been a favorite tool of the left).

596 posted on 01/29/2009 1:50:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LeGrande

You picked that post apart and answered it in great detail, all except the last question. And now you’re putting conditions on answering my question?

Can you say *hypocrisy*?

So why DID you feel it necessary to ping JR to your post to me?


597 posted on 01/29/2009 1:51:53 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
Darwinism has NOTHING to do with biologists working on a theory, it is solely dedicated to the destruction of Judeo-Christian culture and eugenics.

I wonder how many people actually working in evoluton-related fields would agree with you? Few, if any.

The absurd claim that they are interested in biology is as laughable as the claim that communists were working to better the working class.

I wonder if you've ever actually met any biologists.

598 posted on 01/29/2009 1:55:35 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Citizen Blade
I wonder how many people actually working in evoluton-related fields would agree with you? Few, if any.

I'm not talking about evolutionary scientific theory, I'm talking about Darwinism.

599 posted on 01/29/2009 1:59:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: metmom
Are you working with a computer program that just strings together random words into sentences?

That would be a Turing test, if you are curious.

You've yet to make any sense in the questions you've asked me.

I apologize then. I didn't realize the question was that difficult. I will try to phrase it in a way that you can understand.

Do you believe that freedom only comes through Christ?

600 posted on 01/29/2009 2:00:19 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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