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Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]
springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by Coyoteman

We will see and hear the term “Darwinism” a lot during 2009, a year during which scientists, teachers, and others who delight in the accomplishments of modern biology will commemorate the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. But what does “Darwinism” mean? And how is it used? At best, the phrase is ambiguous and misleading about science. At worst, its use echoes a creationist strategy to demonize evolution.

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In summary, then, “Darwinism” is an ambiguous term that impairs communication even about Darwin’s own ideas. It fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin’s day. Moreover, creationists use “Darwinism” to frame evolutionary biology as an ism or ideology, and the public understanding of evolution and science suffers as a result. True, in science, we do not shape our research because of what creationists claim about our subject matter. But when we are in the classroom or otherwise dealing with the public understanding of science, it is entirely appropriate to consider whether what we say may be misunderstood. We cannot expect to change preconceptions if we are not willing to avoid exacerbating them. A first step is eschewing the careless use of “Darwinism.”

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To: LeGrande; wagglebee
You mouth the word freedom, do you have a clue as to what it means?

On the contrary, you've been the one who's demonstrated the problems with ordinary vocabulary.

581 posted on 01/29/2009 1:25:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
their emotional investment is in destroying traditional Judeo-Christian culture and replacing it with secularism and also promoting eugenics.

My only emotional investment comes from constantly being told that I'm a satanist devil-worshipping atheist crypto-liberal bent on destroying Judeo-Christian values and killing unborn babies and anyone else I think is inferior and that I'll end up roasting in hell while the "good Christians" gloat at my suffering. That cr*p does get pretty annoying, I'll admit.

582 posted on 01/29/2009 1:27:46 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: LeGrande; Jim Robinson

You took apart my post bit by bit and answered every question but the last one. So I’ll repeat it here for you to give you the chance.

Just for the record, why did you feel it necessary to ping JR to your post to me?

(Courtesy ping to JR in response)


583 posted on 01/29/2009 1:27:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
IMHO, he’s passionate about his work, and that means he had an emotional attachment to the issue. He let somebody provoke him into an emotional response, and he paid for it.

That's the only conclusion that I could come to.

584 posted on 01/29/2009 1:29:42 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
You mouth the word freedom, do you have a clue as to what it means?

Please explain to me how Darwinists killing a billion people advanced freedom.

I asked you a question and you respond by accusing Darwinists of killing a billion people? LOL I am sorry if cognitive dissonance hurts so badly.

585 posted on 01/29/2009 1:31:19 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
bent on destroying Judeo-Christian values and killing unborn babies and anyone else I think is inferior

Then why do you support a philosophy which espouses this agenda?

586 posted on 01/29/2009 1:32:44 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LeGrande
I asked you a question and you respond by accusing Darwinists of killing a billion people?

Which part are you disputing? The body count or the deaths themselves?

587 posted on 01/29/2009 1:33:53 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; trisham

It comes across more not that they’re scientists defending their theory from attack, which is really an irrational position to take anyway, as any decent scientist should realize that his theory is going to come under scrutiny.

But rather that they are liberals hiding behind the facade of science.

They’re using science to give their agenda some air of respectability. Then when anyone challenges them, they can take the injured tone and be the persecuted martyr, and accuse their opponents of being anti-science, anti-progress, wanting to take us back to the dark ages.

One of the other things that they fail to acknowledge is that it wasn’t intellectual heights that made this country great, but rather moral character. It’s integrity and truthfulness. There’ve been plenty of brilliant men who were unspeakably evil and many people suffered for that.


588 posted on 01/29/2009 1:37:37 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
You couldn't be more wrong! Without God THERE IS NO FREEDOM

No, there isn't. There's just intolerance and discrimination left which results in oppression and slavery.

Situational ethics never worked.

589 posted on 01/29/2009 1:39:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
You took apart my post bit by bit and answered every question but the last one. So I’ll repeat it here for you to give you the chance.

You didn't return the courtesy by answering my questions. If you don't answer my questions I feel no obligation to answer yours.

590 posted on 01/29/2009 1:39:43 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: LeGrande
I take it your non answer to my question means that you prioritize your Christian religious belief above all other beliefs, especially other peoples belief in freedom.

Are you working with a computer program that just strings together random words into sentences?

You've yet to make any sense in the questions you've asked me.

591 posted on 01/29/2009 1:41:01 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

Don’t forget that you’re dealing with someone who claims to be a libertarian who thinks that we need more honor and accountability, something antithetical to a supposed libertarian stance.

I’ve rarely seen anyone speak out of both sides of his mouth like this one.


592 posted on 01/29/2009 1:44:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
Which part are you disputing? The body count or the deaths themselves?

What does that have to do with belief in freedom vs religious belief?

If all you want to do is try and insult me, be my guest : ) I enjoy a good insult. I would appreciate it if you could try and be original though, I get bored easily.

593 posted on 01/29/2009 1:46:47 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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To: metmom
I’ve rarely seen anyone speak out of both sides of his mouth like this one.

When a person is masquerading they nearly always expose themselves as a fraud.

594 posted on 01/29/2009 1:47:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LeGrande; wagglebee
I don't tolerate ignorance and stupidity and discriminate against beliefs that epitomize stupidity and ignorance. How is that in any way against freedom? Ignorance and stupidity are anathema to freedom.

For all your blather about freedom, you haven't even adequately defined it. You spout off about freedom to believe as one wishes and yet you don't allow that for those who you disagree with.

595 posted on 01/29/2009 1:48:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: LeGrande
What does that have to do with belief in freedom vs religious belief?

Are you so obtuse as to be unable to understand how murdering a billion people is an affront to freedom? Unless of course one adopts your "intolerance and discrimination" definition of freedom, in which case it fits perfectly (double-speak and changing the meaning of words has long been a favorite tool of the left).

596 posted on 01/29/2009 1:50:26 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: LeGrande

You picked that post apart and answered it in great detail, all except the last question. And now you’re putting conditions on answering my question?

Can you say *hypocrisy*?

So why DID you feel it necessary to ping JR to your post to me?


597 posted on 01/29/2009 1:51:53 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee
Darwinism has NOTHING to do with biologists working on a theory, it is solely dedicated to the destruction of Judeo-Christian culture and eugenics.

I wonder how many people actually working in evoluton-related fields would agree with you? Few, if any.

The absurd claim that they are interested in biology is as laughable as the claim that communists were working to better the working class.

I wonder if you've ever actually met any biologists.

598 posted on 01/29/2009 1:55:35 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: Citizen Blade
I wonder how many people actually working in evoluton-related fields would agree with you? Few, if any.

I'm not talking about evolutionary scientific theory, I'm talking about Darwinism.

599 posted on 01/29/2009 1:59:19 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: metmom
Are you working with a computer program that just strings together random words into sentences?

That would be a Turing test, if you are curious.

You've yet to make any sense in the questions you've asked me.

I apologize then. I didn't realize the question was that difficult. I will try to phrase it in a way that you can understand.

Do you believe that freedom only comes through Christ?

600 posted on 01/29/2009 2:00:19 PM PST by LeGrande (I once heard a smart man say that you canÂ’t reason someone out of something that they didnÂ’t reaso)
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