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Don’t Call it “Darwinism” [religiously defended as "science" by Godless Darwinists]
springerlink ^ | 16 January 2009 | Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:17 AM PST by Coyoteman

We will see and hear the term “Darwinism” a lot during 2009, a year during which scientists, teachers, and others who delight in the accomplishments of modern biology will commemorate the 200th anniversary of Darwin’s birth and the 150th anniversary of the publication of On the Origin of Species. But what does “Darwinism” mean? And how is it used? At best, the phrase is ambiguous and misleading about science. At worst, its use echoes a creationist strategy to demonize evolution.

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In summary, then, “Darwinism” is an ambiguous term that impairs communication even about Darwin’s own ideas. It fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin’s day. Moreover, creationists use “Darwinism” to frame evolutionary biology as an ism or ideology, and the public understanding of evolution and science suffers as a result. True, in science, we do not shape our research because of what creationists claim about our subject matter. But when we are in the classroom or otherwise dealing with the public understanding of science, it is entirely appropriate to consider whether what we say may be misunderstood. We cannot expect to change preconceptions if we are not willing to avoid exacerbating them. A first step is eschewing the careless use of “Darwinism.”

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TOPICS: Education; Science
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
You made some assertions. You've just posted you can't be bothered backing them up.

If "God wrote down everything we needed to know," as you just posted, what are you doing on the internet? It's not mentioned in the Bible.

51 posted on 01/28/2009 3:27:17 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: Coyoteman; ToGodBeTheGlory

You may post anything you wish to this thread (or any other). Coyoteman lives in his own little world. He has absolutely no authority whatsoever on this forum.


52 posted on 01/28/2009 3:29:08 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Gumlegs
TGBTG has been here twenty days. Coyoteman, on the other hand, has been around a mere eight years. Nice work exposing the ignorance of the newbies, TGBTG!

Let's pretend, shall we, that this really is a science thread.

TGBTG has made an assertion, namely, "Evo-Atheism has no role in conservatism, nor on any thread on this board other than to show the depths that Satan will go to spread his lies."

Breath-taking.

Kindly demonstrate, scientifically speaking, 1) The Theory of Evolution is the same as "Evo-Atheism," taking care to define exactly what "Evo-Atheism" might be, 2) That "Evo-Atheism" has no role in conservatism, listing any other scientific theories that are forbidden by conservatism, and that the Theory of Evolution is A) a lie, and B) originating with Satan. Satan having exactly what to do with a thread on science?

Thank you, gumlegs, for your lucid post and spot-on questions. I've been wondering for some time how it is that somehow understanding of science (and things like evolution) are satanic, atheistic, NEA loving, non-conservative, and the like. Where in the world has this warped view come from? Certainly I never see any evidence of such, but yet, it is stated so often here. How is it that conservatism is equated now to being anti-science (except of course, science that produces such lovely things as antibiotics for diseases, medical technologies such as MRI's, life-saving surgical techniques, your computer, your iPod, and all the other things you enjoy daily)?

I guess I'll be burning in hell with the rest of you evos, while the others gleefully pour on the BBQ sauce and watch.

53 posted on 01/28/2009 3:31:50 PM PST by FixedandDilated
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To: Jim Robinson
You may post anything you wish to this thread (or any other). Coyoteman lives in his own little world.

In my world science is not equated with satanism.

However, your world is increasingly becoming overrun with extreme fringe elements who do equate science with satanism.

If you would rather keep those fringe posters, and discourage the scientists from posting here, then fringe posters is what you''ll end up with.

54 posted on 01/28/2009 3:44:58 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: FixedandDilated; Coyoteman; Gumlegs; et al

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1103363/posts

I’ll let you know if I ever change my policy in regards to aggressively defending our God-given and constitutionally protected right to freedom of religion. In the meantime, you can knock off any attempts to control who posts what on FR. If you don’t like the way we run FR, you can always post elsewhere.

Thankyouverymuch.


55 posted on 01/28/2009 3:46:50 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: tacticalogic; count-your-change
How does that work on a collective/individual basis? Do you refer to anyone who believes ToE is plausible as a "Darwinist" as long as there's one person who calls you a "creationist"?

Far more than one FRevo calls any non-evo a creationist.

Matter of fact, the tendency is to take anyone who does not hold to the hardline, naturalistic no-God allowed position on the ToE and cram them into a flat earth, heliocentric, 6 day, 6,000 year YEC, Bible literalist box and then mock and ridicule them regardless of what their position is.

Oh, and let's not forget the *any challenge to the ToE is not scientific, it's religious apologetics* label.

56 posted on 01/28/2009 3:47:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman

Go to hell troll.


57 posted on 01/28/2009 3:47:37 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Coyoteman; Jim Robinson

Science is not Darwinism and that is what this thread is about


58 posted on 01/28/2009 3:49:01 PM PST by valkyry1
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To: Coyoteman

We can stop using the term Darwinist and Darwinism when the evos stop calling creationism a religion.


59 posted on 01/28/2009 3:49:07 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: count-your-change

What? No answer?


60 posted on 01/28/2009 3:50:03 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

You’re a Creationist because of your religion.


61 posted on 01/28/2009 3:50:59 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: scottdeus12

The ToE is the creation account of the atheist and secular humanist. It’s all they have to explain origins.


62 posted on 01/28/2009 3:52:31 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman
Are you suggesting that evolution, a science which fully follows the scientific method, is not permitted in conservatism, or on this website?

The ToE is based on forensic evidence. Aside from dating and chemical analysis, exactly how is evolution tested in the lab?

What predictions is it capable of making?

63 posted on 01/28/2009 3:55:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; All

Coyoteman’s been banned.


64 posted on 01/28/2009 3:56:31 PM PST by CE2949BB (Fight.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Thank you, Jim.


65 posted on 01/28/2009 3:59:48 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: CE2949BB

I just caught up with my responses and saw the comment in post 57


66 posted on 01/28/2009 4:03:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman

This is a science thread. Religious dogma has no role in science,


Actually it’s a cult thread. You wouldn’t recognize a science thread if it bit your hands off.


67 posted on 01/28/2009 4:03:30 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: CE2949BB

Creationism isn’t a religion though, and that’s the point I was making. It’s been called a religion by evos on this forum.


68 posted on 01/28/2009 4:04:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mgstarr; Coyoteman; Jim Robinson
"Don’t you love being lectured on what belongs here from someone who joined 1/03/09?"

How about someone who's name says 11-28-97?

69 posted on 01/28/2009 4:04:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Coyoteman

I like your thread title Dog Boy!


70 posted on 01/28/2009 4:07:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Coyoteman
Are you suggesting that evolution, a science which fully follows the scientific method, is not permitted in conservatism, or on this website?

There's a difference between the thory of evolution and the cult of darwinism, and by now almost any conservative that's been on this site for 24 hours understands you're incapable of telling the difference.

71 posted on 01/28/2009 4:08:24 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Coyoteman

The only scientists that have ever posted here are all creationists.


72 posted on 01/28/2009 4:09:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: metmom

Not yet but I won’t say never. I have learned that connection lines can jump species or create them and span huge time periods in a single line. See habilis in the chart and read this.

“Diagnostic Features

It is particularity hard to list the features of Homo habilis, because the specimens attributed to habilis (and the reasons the material was placed there) vary widely. The species is a mishmash of traits and specimens, whose composition depends upon what researcher one asks. The simplest way to describe the general features is to describe specimens that are generally considered habilis by most people, and list their relevant traits.”
From:
An introduction to the well known but poorly defined species.
www.archaeologyinfo.com/homohabilis.htm

Like describing a man as “kinda like him but a little bit like him but with the features of that guy”.
Sounds like good science to me!


73 posted on 01/28/2009 4:10:23 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: CE2949BB

“Coyoteman” is over at Darwin Central, high-fiving and yukking it up with his fellow Darwinian Beavises and Buttheads right now, no doubt.

He’s finally “earned” his laurel wreath, for getting banned from Free Republic. He’s been trying to commit Martyrdom-By-Mod for some time now.

He’s finally gotten his Darwin Award, and over a thread that claims “Darwinism” should be discouraged as a moniker, lol.

Poor, poor Darwin, being dumped by his accolytes, on his 200th birthday.


74 posted on 01/28/2009 4:10:29 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Jim Robinson; Coyoteman; metmom; schaef21
Been waiting for this paranoid freakshow to be zotted for a long time.

A wingman passing nearby snapped the moment of JimRob's victory:

Mixing it up

Smooth kill, Boss! Don't forget to have your crew chief paint another little red star on your canopy rail. :-)

75 posted on 01/28/2009 4:11:57 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory
This is a Conservative website. Evo-Atheism has no role in conservatism, nor on any thread on this board other than to show the depths that Satan will go to spread his lies. Please take your NEA-loving cult elsewhere.

I believe in a creator, and that the world was created by him. But, how far must I go to be allowed to post here. Must I believe that there were dinosaurs on noah's ark?

76 posted on 01/28/2009 4:12:25 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: metmom
Personalize, polarize, and try to provoke a reaction.

All I have to do is not give it to you.

77 posted on 01/28/2009 4:14:25 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

Hope I don’t sound like the teacher’s pet echoing JimRob like this, but the way I like to put it is that unless someone’s screen name ends with “Robinson” or “Moderator,” they don’t get to give instructions here.


78 posted on 01/28/2009 4:14:35 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: count-your-change
I'll stop using the term Darwinist or Darwinism when the Darwinists stop referring to me as a creationist and/or a fundamentalist, etc.

Exactly, cultists need to understand there's a difference between their cult and science, i.e., the theory of evolution and the cult of darwinism.

79 posted on 01/28/2009 4:14:52 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: editor-surveyor
The only scientists that have ever posted here are all creationists.

You have been around long enough to remember "physicist", who was not a creationist. Or, do you deny that he was a scientist?

80 posted on 01/28/2009 4:16:53 PM PST by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: CE2949BB

Since he was in the habit of accusing Christians of a conspiracy to overthrow the government, destroy the Constitution and ban astronomy and paleontology (and religious practice other than fundamentalist Protestantism), he deserved it richly.

Don’t make the mistake of confusing Coyoteman with science, or sanity.


81 posted on 01/28/2009 4:18:46 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Physicist never tangled with anyone, so I have to reserve judgement in his case.


82 posted on 01/28/2009 4:19:17 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

He was found unfit, and has failed to survive.


83 posted on 01/28/2009 4:19:55 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Wow! Evolution in action!


84 posted on 01/28/2009 4:20:56 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Ron Jeremy
Must I believe that there were dinosaurs on noah's ark?

Since there are no land-dwelling "dinousaurs" aprés le deluge, no, you don't.

85 posted on 01/28/2009 4:23:35 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: CE2949BB
Coyoteman's only chance to be a prophet without honor in his own time and place. Now he gets to ignite his own bonfire and wear the mantle of martyrdom he has so long coveted.

All hail Coyoteman! Let us bury him . . . not honor him.

86 posted on 01/28/2009 4:24:22 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: editor-surveyor; Jim Robinson; metmom; Fawn; Fichori
"Think of it as evolution in action."--Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle, Oath of Fealty.

It appears 'Yote also violated Nivens First Law: Never throw [feces] at an armed man."

:-)

87 posted on 01/28/2009 4:28:37 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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To: CE2949BB; Jim Robinson; Fichori; valkyry1; metmom; betty boop; MrB; Ethan Clive Osgoode; ...

Coyoteman’s been banned.


If this is true, it’s been a LONG LONG time coming and I for one am supportive.

Jim’s been crystal clear, on several occasions.

I hope other libtards take notice, get a clue, and stop undermining science, Christianity, the Untied States of America and FR.

The cult of darwinism has no place in science because it always ALWAYS attacks any and all threats or challenges to the theory of evolution as religious attacks and anti-science...and coyoteman was one of the absolute worst with his ridiculous “burnings at the stake”, “theocracy”, and “inquisition” nonsense.

Additionally, metmom has multiple times posted links explaining the overall FR view of how people see this clear distinction between his cult and real science.

While I don’t think you have to be a Christian to see it, I do think you almost certainly have to be a cultist not to see it.


88 posted on 01/28/2009 4:29:30 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

Far more than one FRevo calls any non-evo a creationist.

Matter of fact, the tendency is to take anyone who does not hold to the hardline, naturalistic no-God allowed position on the ToE and cram them into a flat earth, heliocentric, 6 day, 6,000 year YEC, Bible literalist box and then mock and ridicule them regardless of what their position is.

Oh, and let’s not forget the *any challenge to the ToE is not scientific, it’s religious apologetics* label.


bttp...worth seeing again.


89 posted on 01/28/2009 4:30:48 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: metmom

When you show up for Darwin’s birthday bash you’ll have to say the secret words to gain entrance and let me warn you, “I believe in God as the Creator” are not the words.

That’s not to say you’re not allowed to have religious beliefs, just write them down and submit them to the doorman, and he’ll decide which of them have a plate at the Science table.

But sorry, no primordial soup for you, go to the back door and beg for scraps.


90 posted on 01/28/2009 4:31:39 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Gumlegs
Don’t Call it “Darwinism” ...

I call it devil worship or idolatry; that okay??

91 posted on 01/28/2009 4:32:14 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: metmom

92 posted on 01/28/2009 4:36:03 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Jim Robinson

BRAVO!

This incessant PC separation of Christianity from any and all things public is what will ultimately destroy this country if we allow it.

Thankyouverymuch!


93 posted on 01/28/2009 4:36:38 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: count-your-change

“Primordial Soup Nazis?”

Sounds as good as any, to replace “Darwinism,” since the poor, sensitive souls have begun to take offense.


94 posted on 01/28/2009 4:38:28 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Coyoteman; Jim Robinson
"As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God..."

Ever seen those words around these parts, Coyoteman?

95 posted on 01/28/2009 4:40:56 PM PST by Sam's Army
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To: metmom; trisham

I guess Survival of the Fittest really runs things after all..

I love your comment that the ToE is the creation story of the atheists and secular humanists. Succint and true.


96 posted on 01/28/2009 4:44:09 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, coShome to the light.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom

“Personalize, polarize, and try to provoke a reaction.”

*sigh* I guess these projections are truly the only thing you’ll have left in your playbook now.

You’ll be even more boring than usual, if that’s even possible.


97 posted on 01/28/2009 4:49:50 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: little jeremiah
"I guess Survival of the Fittest really runs things after all.."

Maybe the Obama adminsitration will see to it that he gets a bailout:

"This account has been banned or suspended."

98 posted on 01/28/2009 4:50:05 PM PST by Sam's Army
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To: Ron Jeremy
I believe in a creator, and that the world was created by him. But, how far must I go to be allowed to post here. Must I believe that there were dinosaurs on noah's ark?

Get a grip. It's about misusing science to silence religion.

It's about being anti-God and anti-religion at every turn.

And it appears that it's about acting like you own the forum when you don't.

99 posted on 01/28/2009 4:50:44 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Thanks Jim.

The atheist Darwinists LOVE to talk about science, because this diverts attention from their real agenda, which is eugenics.

Here are the “highlights” of Darwinist eugenics in just the past century:

Rachel Carson (author of “Silent Spring” which resulted in the DDT ban): 50-80 MILLION deaths and rising every year.

Margaret Sanger: 50 MILLION+ deaths worldwide EVERY YEAR (850 MILLION to 1.2 BILLION worldwide since 1900).

Stalin: 13 MILLION+ deaths.

Hitler: 12 MILLION+ deaths.

Mao: 50-80 MILLION deaths.

(And note that this only counts the genocide that can be directly attributed to them, if the wars initiated by Stalin, Mao and Hitler were included there would be close to 100 MILLION more.)


100 posted on 01/28/2009 4:51:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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