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FReeper advice needed (Vanity) Time to go?

Posted on 03/08/2009 12:28:19 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack

I've been here a while now, put a hundred into the kitty to keep the site up so I'm posting a vanity asking for some advice. My family are all liberals I don't dare ask them their opinion. So here goes.


My bride and I both see bad things coming. We are buying 5 acres in rural south central Tennessee on contract from a friend. No house, just partially wooded land. We've been saving our money and investing in heirloom seeds, long term food supply that we eat and rotate, and camping gear.

I weld and am a jack of all trades. My wife has only ever worked as a retail bookseller. We're healthy but a little overfed.

We are considering leaving our apartment in Indiana when our lease is up in May. It's in a college town of over 100K. and very liberal. The plan is to store what we don't need immediately ( we have storage available until July of next year.). Go down south, pitch a camp and dig a privy then go forth to find work. We will be planting a garden and trying to get a small cabin weathered in before winter. I want to build a home as we earn the cash money to buy materials and do this without a mortgage.


I would rather get out while I can and keep her safe than stay here and she feels the same way.


So here's the crux of the matter, I'm 48 former USAF and don't like to take rash jumps into the unknown. I have however been in the third world, started over with nothing twice and am with the love of my life. She is 30, brilliant, sews, weaves, throws pottery, and has the ability to build her own kiln.
She's a former LDS and fell right in line with my food storage quirks not to mention she's a dead shot with everything I've put in her hands.
She thinks that pioneering will be an adventure. I know it will be hard work. Her parents have told us they admire our courage and want to know when to expect grandchildren. ( Sorry gonna have to wait Mom )


FRiends I'm worried I'm missing something. I like the benefits of civilization like hot showers and flush toilets. But being out of the cities when they do go wonky holds more appeal.


I welcome your comments.


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To: AuntB
a septic tank runs about 20 grand, if you can get it.

Ooof. Around NM, you can get the new style for under 10 grand.

51 posted on 03/08/2009 1:28:35 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: spectre

Thanks


52 posted on 03/08/2009 1:30:49 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: WhirlwindAttack
I weld and am a jack of all trades.

If that is the case, what have you got to worry about? Even if the economy completely collapses, a man who can work with his hands will never go hungry.

53 posted on 03/08/2009 1:31:37 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 69 days from outliving Andre the Giant)
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To: WhirlwindAttack
If you're determined to do this asap, the good used RV idea mentioned up-thread has a lot going for it, especially in light of the fact that for the time being you'll not have little ones underfoot.

First, a weekend trip w/tent to get the privy dug and some kind of enclosure over it.

Then when you acquire a suitable RV, drive it to the land, and in a couple days you could get it up on blocks or timbers (with the help of a mechanic's floor jack) and tied down and skirted against winter winds (which would also give you some low-cost 'shed' storage space to boot).

The RV's propane tank can be refilled pretty cheaply in town for cooking/heat needs, and the vehicle's built in slop bucket can be emptied into the privy without needing to endure nightly treks in the snow for frozen butts. You would however need to give some thought to keeping the on-board water supply from freezing.

As for electricity, the easiest solution would be to run the RV's engine when needed to recharge whatever batteries are on-board, and refill in town as needed with a jerry can kept for the purpose. Or alternatively, assuming there'd be no neighbors close enough to object to a generator running, the cost of a medium duty unit would prolly be a good emergency investment anyway.

The RV would still start feeling a bit cramped come February, but you can surely make it snug/comfy enough to feel like home for awhile, and you'll have the whole winter of long nights to do your research and get a firm plan in place to tackle a more permanent dwelling asap after last frost.

/.02   (professional carpenter for 30 years)

54 posted on 03/08/2009 1:32:40 PM PDT by tomkat (lexington, concord, flyover)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Re the garden, there’s a thread here somewhere that says gubmint will be interfering in even that. FWIW...


55 posted on 03/08/2009 1:36:02 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope.)
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To: WhirlwindAttack
Check this,

then this.

If you resemble these people, don't do it.

56 posted on 03/08/2009 1:48:38 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: WhirlwindAttack
We are considering leaving our apartment in Indiana when our lease is up in May. It's in a college town of over 100K. and very liberal. The plan is to store what we don't need immediately ( we have storage available until July of next year.). Go down south, pitch a camp and dig a privy then go forth to find work. We will be planting a garden and trying to get a small cabin weathered in before winter. I want to build a home as we earn the cash money to buy materials and do this without a mortgage.
Ambious and you are to be commended for making plans for your future.

Now..........

"our lease is up in May......Go down south, pitch a camp and dig a privy then go forth to find work. We will be planting a garden and trying to get a small cabin weathered in before winter."

....My suggestion at least for the above portion. Think through your time line very closely. Uncleared land and a garden sometime after May? That means you at best can look only for a limited fall crop. Secondly, I suspect you can get a small cabin partially weathered in depending upon it's size and your available cash. But working for the other man may limit that ability somewhat.

If you could basically go the end of the fall without having to work for the other man then use the winter to do that an gather a few dollars. Start in the early spring with your summer garden and finish weathering in your cabin, get a well dug and other necessities.

Good luck and the above is just my read so only take it as that, nothing more.

57 posted on 03/08/2009 1:53:23 PM PDT by deport
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To: Richard Kimball
No I don't think we're like those two. :)

Thanks for the laugh I really needed it.

58 posted on 03/08/2009 1:56:52 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: WhirlwindAttack

This would allow you a roof over your head and the comforts of home, while you scout jobs and opportunities for economic activity in the area and make your decisions for the future.

And if you don’t like your options, you just pick up and find another place with your home behind you. Then, when you’ve settled on your location, you sell it.

It’s an adventure, for sure, maybe glamorous in the very beginning, but soon enough I think roughing it and the time you’d be spending on the very fundamentals of life would get old, and your priorities will be not only be surviving well while being as self-sufficient as possible, but also earning money to keep pursuing your eventual dream situation.

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I note no mention of toilet/sewer/septic issues, however, and it’s not inexpensive, but I look at the time you’d have to spend just to secure your safe and enclosed housing that you could be better using to get to know your community, pursue your livelihoods in your new home, and see if you want to stay there permanently.

http://www.usedrvs.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?db=k5th&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=219&query=retrieval

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Older, but much cheaper

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/5thwheel/1994-Kountry-Star-By-Newmar-15141.htm

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/5thwheel/1992-Avion-15147.htm

Good luck, and God bless you both. Keep us posted, and pray for us all.

*Hey, it might also be worthy of a published journal of your journey ............ ;) I’d definitely keep one .. and think it could be salable (and a website maybe?).


59 posted on 03/08/2009 1:59:34 PM PDT by STARWISE ( They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter))
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To: WhirlwindAttack

We also had plans to go to TN in a few months. Now it looks like the economic issues have forced us to change our plans. We found ourselves stuck here in California when the music stopped.


60 posted on 03/08/2009 2:02:58 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (I feel much better since I gave up hope.)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!

You won’t look back.

We moved onto raw property 9 years ago (I was 50 and not in the best of health), with very little money, lived in a tarp tent for 6 months, built as we go. Used various kinds of trench latrines, outhouse and composting toilet for around 3 years. Bucket baths, etc. Very, very simply to primitive for some years (still not up to every modern standard). BUT WE OWE NOT A RED CENT!

DO IT DO IT DO IT!!!!


61 posted on 03/08/2009 2:03:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah (THa)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

There is other stuff for mosquitos besides DEET. We use herb extract and essential oil mix we make ourselves. Perhaps not quite as effective, never used DEET, but works pretty well, and no chemicals to worry about side effects.


62 posted on 03/08/2009 2:04:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (THa)
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To: deport
We have some land clear already, the rest is in hardwoods. We are going down early April for a wedding and are going to spend a week there tilling and planting a garden. I can get a small place built within a couple of weeks that will eventually be my wife's studio. I wouldn't want to go much longer than September without one of us working. My main task will be getting the shelter established.
I might have to change my time frame a little, but that is what this post was for. Thanks
63 posted on 03/08/2009 2:04:55 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: WhirlwindAttack

You might try to respond to me privately. I have about 125 acres in Ky which has been in the family forever. I’m keeping it “just in case” but I own a house in Indpls with enough space for a garden. I’ve never grown a garden but I’m trying to prepare for whatever happens. Actually my wife with her first husband tried living off the land in Brown County (you know where that is) back in the ‘70’s when the first wave of “end of the world” scares happened. It didn’t work out very well, tried to raise chickens and the foxes got them, tried to grow a garden but the soil was terrible and the varmints ate it, etc, etc. Maybe a small town like Mayberry would be best for survival but it is important to have people around you that you can trust when the s**t hits the fan ;-)


64 posted on 03/08/2009 2:06:19 PM PDT by vanilla swirl
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To: WhirlwindAttack

What do you plan on planting in the garden?


65 posted on 03/08/2009 2:10:06 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: WhirlwindAttack
Years ago my liberal cousin and his starry-eyed bride decided to live like cavemen in some god-forsaken place in Michigan.....exactly same scenario as yours.

When the bloom came off the rose and the never-ending frost came off their toes the two came down to earth, back to civilization, got an immediate divorce, now he's remarried and happily living with a practical beauty in a nice, warm home in a small town in the Missouri Ozarks.

To each his own. My idea of roughing it is turning the heat down on my electric blanket.

Best of luck. See ya in Missouri in about three years when the scales drop off your eyes.

Leni

66 posted on 03/08/2009 2:10:24 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: WhirlwindAttack

Whirlwind,

We live probably pretty near the area in TN where ya’ll are talking about moving. We are living on 16 acres out in the sticks; having built a house 23 yrs. ago, and we have very much liked living out here. We’re about 12 miles from a small town where we can get anything we need as far as supplies go, groceries (though we have a fenced-in garden spot where we raise vegetables and some bit of fruit as well). I don’t want to can, so we just have fresh vegetables in season and I freeze a very few in a small freezer where we also keep extra meats for when we don’t get in to town often. Our garden is raised beds and small and manageable in size. Bigger and it becomes a burden at times - you’ve almost got to fence in a garden here as the deer are plentiful; they’ve so far been sort of pets at a distance, but we may have to view them as food later on - and they understand this though we, the deer and the dogs have fun gawking at and chasing each other.

Reality check here - the weather here is generally okay and mild, but we DO occasionally have some pretty cold winter days as well as some hot summer days some years. It varies. If you want to try out camping in Tennessee, I’d suggest visiting, going to a campground and sampling being in close quarters for an extended period of time and roughing it. At first out here, we built a medium size shed and stayed out here comfortably in the simple shed and worked. It was a cheap, self-built shed, and we could have made it permanent, but opted for a larger house though we didn’t really have to.

We live fairly cheaply here,on a river and are able to fish, but don’t all that much, dug a well back at the first, but have to filter it as it is sulphur, so water is free. Of course, everyone’s electric bill is going up if Obama gets his way, but we built our house to conserve energy. We built a house with two bedrooms upstairs, which saves on electricity because we don’t have to do much heating or cooling to the upstairs - we use ceiling fans and room A/C’s up there when needed. Our master bedroom is downstairs, so we really live on one floor. We have given up very little in the way of comfort; have a single unit washer and dryer (smallish but adequate as we wear clothes more than one day most times).

So far, things are still holding on fairly well here with jobs, but who knows with these jokers in charge. It’s quiet out here most of the time, but we have gained some more neighbors in the past ten years, though none right up on us.

You all will need to find a place to market your products; and that depends on what is available near you as an outlet. People generally aren’t going to come out in the boonies to you, but there are different outlets all over the place to market crafts. We sell quite a bit online, but not crafts as we aren’t very crafty and together with other work manage to cobble together an adequate living, but we are not extravagant people anyway.

The important thing is to love one another and enjoy every minute as much as is possible. Everything else is just roody pooh.

Wish I could think of more to tell you. I guess we’re sort of fancy pants homesteaders. We love Countryside magazine as it is real practical and makes one dream.

Good luck.
Twinkie


67 posted on 03/08/2009 2:17:39 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obama is NOT Reagan !)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

Several of my inlaws here in Vermont have built their own houses. But I’d agree with the suggestion that you buy some kind of trailer to live in until you get it built. Then you can sell the trailer if you want.

My son-in-law started by building a composting outhouse. Then he built a one-room bunkhouse with a crawl space loft and a wood stove. Then he had a place to stay while he built the main house.

You need to get the power and septic in, and I would check that. Also, I wonder if 5 acres is enough to plant on and graze animals. I’m not saying to buy more now, because I suspect that land prices will drop, but you may want to buy more in future if you can.

Also, don’t get trapped by the zoning laws or building code. Make sure that you are cleared for the septic or the outhouse. And make sure that you have a well for water.


68 posted on 03/08/2009 2:19:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

I might have suggested holding off for several months before this week.

No more.

Go NOW.

Even if there is a semi brief recovery—a huge IF—it will be short lived and horrors after will be much worse than anticipated.

Please read post 103 here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2201188/posts?q=1&;page=101

Even if super horrors are delayed 18 months—I think you’d be better served getting things ship-shape on your property than delaying.

Besides, you also need to build some relationships at the new place and those take time for exchanges and trading work etc.

The short of it with your family is—they are history. Sorry. Short of miracle conversions from God—that’s just the facts. They are on the slippery slope to hell and thinking they are enjoying the ride. Some will wake up in the traumas and many will curse God and die as Scripture says.

Be careful who you share your location with—blood or no blood.

You may as well kiss the life you have known good bye. It is virtually nonexistent already. In 24 hours, it could REALLY be nonexistent in a long list of ways. Pining away for it will not help in the least, as you know.

I wish I didn’t feel this way. But I do.

God have mercy. Praise God that you are as well prepared as you are.

Think of all who are not. God have mercy.

PLEASE BUILD PARTIALLY UNDERGROUND. I’m convinced there will be horrendous winds . . . domed structures . . . concrete domes would be best.

Also, mostly buried greenhouse structures can take advantage of the soil temp of 55* or so and the solar boost on top of that is not as steep as for a wholly above ground greenhouse.

Memorize Scripture.

Stay close to God. He is our only refuge.

Now more than ever.

God be with you.


69 posted on 03/08/2009 2:27:22 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Twinkie

Oh, as a P.S., comfort IS important after a while. I would advise against a two-story. I was barely still in my thirties when we built this one and I could skip up the stairs. Now, at 62 (I need to update my info on FR)I can’t any more; so I’d rather have one bedroom downstairs as a guest room rather than two. It hits one quicker than they think as they get older. We also have a central heat and air system and a good wood stove, plenty of wood and sources around that sell wood if we get where we can’t cut our own. It helps whenever money is tight, but it IS dusty, so if a perfect housekeeping system is your thing, be advised. If the electricity goes off, it’s nice, but here our electricity doesn’t go off very often. Always remember COMFORT in all things as it becomes quickly important as we get older, which happens faster than we wish it did!


70 posted on 03/08/2009 2:29:06 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obama is NOT Reagan !)
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To: mysterio

You are very seriously wrong.

Dreadfully and dangerously wrong.

Please, please, please wake-up.

I hate to imagine the suffering you are headed for with eyes mostly closed.

You will likely be super derisive re post 103 here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2201188/posts?q=1&;page=101

but at least when it begins to occur you will remember and PERHAPS experience some educational enlightenment at that time.


71 posted on 03/08/2009 2:29:55 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Twinkie
Thanks, We'll be near the Shilo battlefield. Savannah is the Shelby Co. seat and they have a lot of places to sell Fig's pottery and weaving. Not to mention my metalwork. We might go with a 40' cargo can as temp housing and later studio when we get something built. I'm not loving the tent much (spent too much time in Saudi for that).

Thanks for the input.

72 posted on 03/08/2009 2:32:46 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: WhirlwindAttack

There is a thread on

http://www.abovetopsecret.com

about some super cheap emergency housing etc. such as for disaster areas.

Some are quite reasonable. One might be an excellent place to start on your new land.

Maybe I can find the link for you . . .

Here it is.

I’d suggest checking out all the links. There’s a batch in the beginning of the thread and some more further down.

God be with you.


73 posted on 03/08/2009 2:33:13 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

Good advice here. The only thing I would like to add is that you go to the nearest towns, churches, coffee shops, etc and make friends. Know the communities before you take the plunge. That way you get local advice, contacts who can help in building and selling what you make.


74 posted on 03/08/2009 2:43:01 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Cicero
Most rural Tennessee counties the septic system is easy and runs about $2500 installed. Tapping to utility water can run about $1200-1600 IIRC {I have a 180' well myself}. But here you have to have the septic system BEFORE they give you power. The septic permits are handled by the county health departments.

Or if you have power you can do what I did on my old cabin that came with the place we bought. It was about 75 years old half log and the other side wood frame added later at some point. I had to install plumbing and figured the house was good for maybe a few more years. So I dug a cesspool and only ran the commode in to it. No one was ever the wiser.

Now I live a few hundred feet above where it was in a double wide. If times get hard I have enough land to live off of about 30 acres mostly woods. I could go out the back door right now and have fresh meat in short time. I've nearly ran over deer just leaving my driveway. Thankfully the home is paid for. I was criticized by some for not building a house. But I got a good size double wide on a 10 year note. 5 years into it I became disabled and unable to ever hold a job again. A wise choice that worked out for the best. We were able to swing the double wide payments but a home would have been at least twice the payments and on at least a 20-30 year note. It will last my life time anyway and I figure I may have another 30 years tops.

If this home became unlivable I have a 12X16 building beside it that would do nice till I addded on :>} One day work installing plumbing would have all creature comforts in it as well.

He does have one other option. Look for a used mobile home on the road he lives on that has the axles under it. They are dirt cheap as I sold one last year {12X60 still livable} for under $500. If really close by as in less than a mile have someone hook a farm tractor to it and pull it there. Beyond that though moving one around here can run several thousand dollars if done by pro's. Being rural has some advantages.

75 posted on 03/08/2009 2:50:31 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Quix

Could you try again with that link please?
Thanks


76 posted on 03/08/2009 2:50:51 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: WhirlwindAttack

Nope. Tents are a drag. We had our day of canvas tents and canvas pop-ups, and the moisture and cold (or hot) are rough on the joints. Just enjoy whatever you do. Of course, I love Tennessee because I’ve lived here pretty much all my life. People here are generally down to earth, and we live pretty cheap at any rate. (Be sure to factor in eating out once in a while as it is such a stress reliever even once a week at Subway OR one of the good fish restaurants in that area. We stayed at a place called “Bevis’s Boatel” near there several years ago and they served good fish at that time at least.

I was born in west TN, and was taken to Shiloh Park often as a child with my parents. My great, great, great grandfather (yes, a Reb) was a soldier in the Battle of Shiloh. Good on Fig’s pottery and weaving and your metalwork. - I think that eastern Tennessee is a bit cooler in places, but then the black bears are a consideration up there. - We’re further east a bit from where ya’ll will be. There are lots of things to do in Tennessee that don’t involve a movie theater or other fol de rol.

Sounds good, and enjoy whatever you do!

Twinkie


77 posted on 03/08/2009 2:53:00 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obama is NOT Reagan !)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

I’m with Domandred on his idea of a small shack or small structure to live in for winter. It wont be easy but you can winter in a small well insulated building but not a tent.

A well lined wood burning or coal stove, a camping potty for night time use and dig an out house for day time use. And if you don’t have electricity you can use oil lamps and cook on the two burner camp stove. Catch rain water for everything except drinking. And when the winter freezes and the rain turns to snow just melt the snow.

Years ago when I was with my ex we spent a year with no running water, no heat, no electricity, no bathroom only a path, and we bailed our water from an open 100ft deep well.

It’s hard. But you can make it. If you have a roof over your head.

Good luck!


78 posted on 03/08/2009 2:54:56 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

ooops. sorry.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread435307/pg1%27

Please let me know that you can access it.

Blessings,


79 posted on 03/08/2009 2:56:08 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

If there is a south slope of any significant size at all . . .

You could build a concrete insulated trough . . . glazed over with double or quadruple polycarbonate sheets . . . say about 1 sheet’s width worth . . . Have a large somewhat filtered air intake box at the bottom . . . and an electric generating fan at the top . . . some wind current will occur on even partially cloudy days in lots of varied weather conditions.

The heated air could also be piped into even an underground living space depending on the terrain.


80 posted on 03/08/2009 3:06:43 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: WhirlwindAttack; Red_Devil 232; LucyT
Thanks Red_Devil 232 and LucyT for the pings.

Not sure my life management skills are above reproach of course, but there's an older book... have to look it up:
Five Acres and Independence by Maurice Kains

81 posted on 03/08/2009 3:20:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Quix
You are very seriously wrong.

About many things, most likely.

But how is going out to the boonies going to save you from the end of the world?

Go out to the boonies for the right reason. The right reason is early evening, late July, on your front porch, watching the breeze make the corn sway.

Once I get enough money to pull that off, you're welcome to come over and sit on the porch with me if you're ever in the area. I hope to pull that off in the next ten years or so.
82 posted on 03/08/2009 3:22:49 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: WhirlwindAttack

I think you meant Hardin County. Shelby is Memphis.


83 posted on 03/08/2009 3:27:32 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: WhirlwindAttack
I share your dream. Living as you are suggesting has been a dream of mine forever long. However, I'd suggest thinking once again about it. I found my land up near Placerville. It moved my soul. It's all I thought about. I built it all, in my mind.

And then, I put myself into the mind of a bad person/group. To establish a center base, would I take over a home in suburbia? Or one on 25-acres with a windmill, arsenal to the gills, smoke-house, orchard, vege garden, solar energy, windmill, river/pond...

If you are doing this in order to be safe, you might be safer with neighbors nearby.

It's a terribly snafu to think about; but it is important to think about, IME.

84 posted on 03/08/2009 3:28:09 PM PDT by Alia
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To: GOPJ

Exactly.


85 posted on 03/08/2009 3:29:22 PM PDT by Alia
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To: LucyT; WhirlwindAttack

Friends, it is a hell of a good question: what to do?

I certainly see the potential for any kind of disruption you can name, from stagflation, to riots, to martial law ( or something even worse via Zer0’s “civilian security force...”

Not to mention the financial chaos potentialities... when the pension funds run dry, and people who can no longer work to support themselves need money, to eat...

My wife & I live in a small city, and few years ago,a race riot petered out about 3 blocks from out door- the police ran away, even back then. It would surely be far worse, now.

We have her Mom’s old place in the country to fall back to, but the “country” has gotten citified in ways that aren’t so good, so while it would be better- six acres to grow food- it’s not isolated like it once was.

About all I can say is hope for the best, but have more than one plan for the worst.

“Interesting times...”


86 posted on 03/08/2009 3:32:55 PM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: WhirlwindAttack
Sounds like you're heading in the right direction.

You may want to wait a while longer and keep stocking up on things.

If you think it would be safe leaving it on your 5 acres, I would suggest you consider getting an electric generator and large fuel tank, and begin prepping the site before you move there.

It's your decision, but in my opinion, the longer you wait, stock up and prepare for the move, the better you'll be.

And if you plan to start growing your own food supply, you'll need to prep the land well. Clearing, cutting, removing sod, rocks, etc., plowing, and all the other work related.

Also, you'll either need a well with a hand pump, or a fresh water stream.

87 posted on 03/08/2009 3:40:20 PM PDT by airborne (Obama is finishing what Osama started! The destruction of the American economy!!!)
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To: backhoe; WhirlwindAttack; SunkenCiv; Iowan

Thanks, backhoe and SunkenCiv. Backhoe, do you have a link to your survival thread?

Here’s this:

List compiled by a Sarajevo War survivor

100 Items to disappear first:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=3617


88 posted on 03/08/2009 3:43:03 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

“Thanks, backhoe and SunkenCiv. Backhoe, do you have a link to your survival thread?”

Right here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507830/posts
Hurricane Preparedness ( and general “bad times” links )
various FR links & stories | 10-23-05 | the heavy equipment guy


89 posted on 03/08/2009 3:51:54 PM PDT by backhoe (All across America, the Lights are going out...)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Good point. No one’s ever going to nuke Belize.


90 posted on 03/08/2009 4:00:05 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: backhoe; WhirlwindAttack; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; ...

Thanks, backhoe. There’s a lot of good information throughtout your Preparedness thread. Need to ping everyone:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507830/posts

Hurricane Preparedness ( and general “bad times” links )
various FR links & stories | 10-23-05 | the heavy equipment guy


91 posted on 03/08/2009 4:00:20 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: WhirlwindAttack

Except for a ‘73 twenty foot Winnebago, I am homeless. I have no propane. I can’t imagine how miserable it would be to not have a solid roof over my head. Sometimes I light the 3000 btu Coleman and sit with it in the head just to warm up. I can’t imagine living without a head. A place to cook and sleep and care for oneself indoors is bare minimum. You could put up a tent for the daytime, but at night you want to be up off of the ground. Very small spaces are easier to heat.


92 posted on 03/08/2009 4:02:16 PM PDT by Excellence (What Madoff is to finance Gore is to global warming.)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

subscribe to backwoods home magazine and

http://homesteadingtoday.com/index.php

and http://www.countrysidemag.com/

You will have a good but different life. Godspeed


93 posted on 03/08/2009 4:09:42 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: gracie1

dont put in septic look at greywater and composting systems


94 posted on 03/08/2009 4:13:39 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: airborne

get ten acres or more to qualify as a farm


95 posted on 03/08/2009 4:15:21 PM PDT by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: WhirlwindAttack

Don’t put off having kids.


96 posted on 03/08/2009 4:15:37 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (What fresh hell is this?)
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To: WhirlwindAttack

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I am just a college girl, but the idea of the travel trailer other than a tent, getting a job before you go, and making friends with the local community seem like good ideas. I would not put off having a family.

I’d love to do what you’ll comtemplating, but I am surrounded by a family of libs- and I must try to get an education.
I wish you the best of luck.

Here are some good FReeper threads about survival and living cheaply:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1990507/posts?page=9901

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2181392/posts?q=1&;page=1301

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2181392/posts?q=1&;page=801

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97 posted on 03/08/2009 4:26:36 PM PDT by patriot08
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s one of the books in my collection.


98 posted on 03/08/2009 4:27:01 PM PDT by WhirlwindAttack
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To: LucyT

Many thanks for the update, LucyT

Ping.


99 posted on 03/08/2009 4:27:32 PM PDT by Iowan
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To: WhirlwindAttack
Some quick questions - do you know for a fact that there's water on the land? Do the neighbors have wells, and if so, how deep? How close is the nearest power? Even if you don't jump on the grid right away it's a good option to have.

Get the land paid for ASAP. Remember, any improvements you make to the property are likely to change its assessment value and hence its tax rate. Don't discount this - I have a place on 3 acres that's paid off completely and it's still costing me over $200 a month in property tax.

I'd strongly recommend what some others have, an enclosed, weather-tight structure such as an RV or camper to start with while you build. What you're talking about doing is a lot of hard work for a lot of days, and a bath and a mattress are going to be worth their keep.

Things I wish I had done - a cheap, used excavator of some sort, maybe a Bobcat or a tractor with attachments. You will use it a lot, not just in building a house - a septic drain field, for example, is actually pretty easy to do if you're not trying to do it all by hand. (Fuel storage is mighty handy too). The best part about it is that it makes for great barter with the neighbors.

Get to know your neighbors. They will save your life.

Best of luck!

100 posted on 03/08/2009 4:29:42 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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