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Police officer shoots, kills board-wielding man (Boy Named Sue)
AP ^

Posted on 03/19/2009 10:41:51 AM PDT by Chet 99

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif.—A San Bernardino man wielding an 8-foot-long chunk of lumber has been shot to death by a police officer.

Sgt. Dave Dillon says 47-year-old Penimina Sue had threatened his family Wednesday night and also threatened an officer with the piece of wood. The officer tried first to subdue the man with a Taser stun gun but it had no effect.

Dillon says the family called police because Sue was throwing items around the house and threatening to hurt people.

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1 posted on 03/19/2009 10:41:51 AM PDT by Chet 99
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To: Chet 99
The officer tried first to subdue the man with a Taser stun gun but it had no effect.

Was the taser not in working order or something? I can't imagine anyone could not be subdued by tens of thousands of volts of electricity.
2 posted on 03/19/2009 10:44:07 AM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: Chet 99

shoot to wound down? WTF?


3 posted on 03/19/2009 10:46:28 AM PDT by Homer1
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To: JamesP81

Its also possible that the mention of the Taser is
just fiction introduced as a cya factor.


4 posted on 03/19/2009 10:46:31 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: JamesP81

>Was the taser not in working order or something? I can’t imagine anyone could not be subdued by tens of thousands of volts of electricity.

Or, it could be the cover story.


5 posted on 03/19/2009 10:47:07 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Chet 99
A shot to the leg or shoulder wasn't possible?

Why shoot to kill when the guy's only carrying a wood board?

6 posted on 03/19/2009 10:47:17 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Chet 99

More illegal alien crime and hijinx.


7 posted on 03/19/2009 10:48:02 AM PDT by Frantzie (Boycott GE - they own NBC, MSNBC, CNBC & Universal. Boycott Disney - they own ABC)
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To: Chet 99

His parents could of at least put Sioux on his BC.


8 posted on 03/19/2009 10:50:01 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: JamesP81
Was the taser not in working order or something? I can't imagine anyone could not be subdued by tens of thousands of volts of electricity.

I once knew a cop who got shot by a woman he'd just tasered -- and on whom the taser (which operated correctly) had no effect.

9 posted on 03/19/2009 10:50:33 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Chet 99
Sheesh, a guy wielding a 2x4 (it appears to be) is now considered so dangerous as to warrant using deadly force?

Give me a break!!!

What kind of LEO are we producing today that they cannot disarm someone like that???

10 posted on 03/19/2009 10:50:42 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: Chet 99

Moral of the story - Don’t go to a gun fight with a piece of wood. You’ll lose.


11 posted on 03/19/2009 10:50:51 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Deaf Smith

Never bring a piece of wood to a gun fight.


12 posted on 03/19/2009 10:50:55 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman (Witty tagline omitted.)
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To: Homer1
The report says the man "advanced" on the officer. If he was charging him the officer may not have had the time to take careful aim but went for a center of mass shot. It is surprising how little time it take for someone running to close the distance between them and their target. IIRC, if they start running at you from about 15 yards away, you'll be lucky to get off 3 or 4 shots (let alone hit them, if you're moving away too).

Too bad we don't know what "advanced" means here, though...

13 posted on 03/19/2009 10:51:55 AM PDT by batter (Wolverines!)
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To: Chet 99
HOW DO YOU DO! NOW YOU GONNA DIE!
14 posted on 03/19/2009 10:52:33 AM PDT by Constitution Day ('Cause this is nothing like we'd ever dreamt / Tell Sir Thomas More we've got another failed attempt)
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To: Chet 99

When a man’s got wood, he feels powerful.


15 posted on 03/19/2009 10:53:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (American Revolution II -- overdue)
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To: batter
15 yards away

Self correction here: it was less than that. I found this through a search:

Tueller Drill

16 posted on 03/19/2009 10:54:37 AM PDT by batter (Wolverines!)
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To: JamesP81

Probably didn’t get embedded into the skin.


17 posted on 03/19/2009 10:56:47 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

“What kind of LEO are we producing today that they cannot disarm someone like that??? ‘

Hero’s that are trained to shoot to stop suicides and who apparently don’t like men carrying a piece of wood very much either.


18 posted on 03/19/2009 10:57:28 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: batter

Ever notice that the liberals want an armed officer to stand his ground, but want an armed citizen to run away?


19 posted on 03/19/2009 10:58:06 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Constitution Day

Man in Black is a legend


20 posted on 03/19/2009 10:58:26 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: JamesP81
Was the taser not in working order or something? I can't imagine anyone could not be subdued by tens of thousands of volts of electricity.

I know for a fact that if a perp is hopped up on certain types of drugs a tazer will not take him down.

Don't ask me how I know, just take my word that I was there and saw it happen.

21 posted on 03/19/2009 10:59:26 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: batter

15 years is 45 feet. Thats probably 4-5 seconds for most people. Thats plenty of time.

The 21 foot rule is 2 seconds for most people.


22 posted on 03/19/2009 11:00:24 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Chet 99

One less Californian. ;-)


23 posted on 03/19/2009 11:00:49 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: Chet 99
The officer tried first to subdue the man with a Taser stun gun but it had no effect.

There are various reasons a taser wouldn't have an effect... the most common is drugs. I have seen some mountain-sized men brought to their knees and made to cry like a baby with one.

The alternative is that the Taser wasn't functioning.

24 posted on 03/19/2009 11:01:30 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country....)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
i'll make you a deal. i'll come at you full bore with a long 2x4, ready to take your head off. you cannot run or try to get away. you have to disarm me with your bare hands.

have fun.

25 posted on 03/19/2009 11:02:29 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Chet 99

It’s time to ban 2 X 4s!

But then...if we ban 2 X 4s, only outlaws will have 2 x 4s!


26 posted on 03/19/2009 11:03:11 AM PDT by RexBeach ("Do your duty in all things." Robert E. Lee)
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To: rahbert; JamesP81

there are plenty of reasons a taser might have no effect.


27 posted on 03/19/2009 11:04:37 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: driftdiver

You are correct. I corrected myself (see post#16).


28 posted on 03/19/2009 11:06:26 AM PDT by batter (Wolverines!)
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To: JamesP81; rahbert; OneWingedShark

Tasers won’t have any effect if they don’t penetrate all the way through clothing and reach the skin.


29 posted on 03/19/2009 11:08:26 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: thefactor
Anyone with even a precursory training in Aikido (for example) could do that.

I suspect hand to hand training is not emphasized so much in police officer training these days.

30 posted on 03/19/2009 11:09:00 AM PDT by the anti-liberal
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

You go first and show us how please....


31 posted on 03/19/2009 11:09:16 AM PDT by colt1911
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To: verity
One less Californian

Hey, good thinking slick.

Since California has more combat vets in Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe you'll get your wish and something will happen to them too.

You really ought to keep your stupid ass juvenile comments to yourself.

You are living proof, not all idiots are in California.

32 posted on 03/19/2009 11:17:54 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Chet 99
"(Boy Named Sue)"

"Son, this world is rough
and if a man's gonna make it
he's got to be tough
and I knew I wouldn't be there to help you along,

So I give you that name and I said goodbye
and I knew you'd either have to get tough or die,
and it's that name that helped to make you strong..."

With apologies to Johnny Cash.

33 posted on 03/19/2009 11:20:06 AM PDT by meyer (Obama is to the USA as Mugabe is to Zimbabwe.)
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To: the anti-liberal
no. it isn't. for good reason. if someone is close enough to fight you hand to hand, then they are close enough to grab your club, your mase, your gun.

if you're a cop, you don't have to fight fair, but you do have to win.

anyone who says a 2x4 isn't a dangerous instrument capable of causing serious physical injury or death is an idiot. imho, of course.

34 posted on 03/19/2009 11:21:30 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: dragnet2

I guess you did not see the wink, jerkoff.


35 posted on 03/19/2009 11:22:35 AM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: thefactor
i'll make you a deal. i'll come at you full bore with a long 2x4, ready to take your head off. you cannot run or try to get away. you have to disarm me with your bare hands.

I'll bet I could do that.

It's called a "street fight."

We used to have them all the time when I was a kid.

Now that every cop and gang banger is running around with a piece, we've forgotten how to give a good old-fashioned @ss-kicking.

36 posted on 03/19/2009 11:23:11 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Sheesh, a guy wielding a 2x4 (it appears to be) is now considered so dangerous as to warrant using deadly force?

A 2x4, a stick, a curtain rod or a baseball bat can all very easily be deadly weapons.

37 posted on 03/19/2009 11:24:47 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Was it morning? Hehehehehe

38 posted on 03/19/2009 11:25:46 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: JamesP81

Was the taser not in working order or something? I can’t imagine anyone could not be subdued by tens of thousands of volts of electricity.

I worked in a Correctional Institution and a Hospital ER.I have seen berserkers shot with tasers, sprayed with all sorts of chemical agents and hit in the head with a baton and still keep coming.


39 posted on 03/19/2009 11:28:17 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Constitution Day
Well, I know that I've fought tougher men,
But I really can't remember when,
He kicked like a mule and he bit like a crocodile...
40 posted on 03/19/2009 11:32:00 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: stainlessbanner

Absolutely sir!


41 posted on 03/19/2009 11:34:20 AM PDT by Constitution Day ('Cause this is nothing like we'd ever dreamt / Tell Sir Thomas More we've got another failed attempt)
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To: b4its2late

Moral of the story - Don’t go to a gun fight with a piece of wood. You’ll lose.

Amen to that. If you run from the cops expect a beat down, if you threaten the cops expect a lead injection.


42 posted on 03/19/2009 12:06:49 PM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: TheKidster

He was either a mental case or wanted to die or both.


43 posted on 03/19/2009 12:13:28 PM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“When a man’s got wood, he feels powerful.”

Man, that’s the post of the day! The subliminal message in all the ED ads on tv.


44 posted on 03/19/2009 12:22:26 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: b4its2late

Agreed, it’s obvious.


45 posted on 03/19/2009 12:51:12 PM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: RexBeach
But then...if we ban 2 X 4s, only outlaws will have 2 x 4s!

They shall not take my assault 2 x 4s, except from my cold dead hands!
46 posted on 03/19/2009 1:46:01 PM PDT by JamesP81 (When Obama signed an order providing tax dollars to murder children, he stopped being my president)
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To: verity
One less Californian

Hey, good thinking slick.

Since California has more combat vets in Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe you'll get your wish and something will happen to them too.

You really ought to keep your stupid ass juvenile comments to yourself.

You are living proof, not all idiots are in California.

I guess you did not see the wink, jerkoff.

I was just joking around too ;)

47 posted on 03/19/2009 6:41:24 PM PDT by dragnet2
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