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TV rivals with a conservative message: "Heroes" vs. "24" in same time slot
Vanity | 03-24-09 | Me

Posted on 03/24/2009 8:51:32 AM PDT by prismsinc

Thank goodness for the wonder of DVR technology. I was able to see both of these last night.

Did any of you manage to see these both? We all know "24" and its edge-of-your-seat national security threats, but I was caught a bit off guard by "Heroes" and this latest episode. Swoosie Kurtz was eating at a diner, and she was reading a book, "RONALD REAGAN - An American life". As the episode progressed, it seemed clear to me that the producers were equating the oppression we conservatives are feeling right now to the witch hunt the "Heroes" in the story were going through.

I found it refreshing, because I had assumed "Heroes" producers were unabashed liberals like the rest of Hollywood.


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: 24; chesucks; communismkills; heroes; hollywood; hollywoodreds

1 posted on 03/24/2009 8:51:32 AM PDT by prismsinc
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To: prismsinc

I like both shows but Heroes doesn’t seem very conservative to me. I mean, the whole mutants wrongly being hauled around in orange terrorist jumpsuits? And the crazy government soldier guys?


2 posted on 03/24/2009 8:53:23 AM PDT by exist
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To: prismsinc

Chuck has a character (Casey, the tough NSA guy played by Adam Baldwin, formerly of Firefly) that has a picture of Ronald Reagan that’s featured prominently in several episodes. In the latest episode, his boss (a woman who is not necessarily a good guy) picks it up, tells him that the 80s are over, and he just sort of sneers at her suggestion. As for putting Heroes up against 24 (and for putting Chuck up against The Big Bang Theory), are television programmers trying to kill off their networks by placing shows that appeal to the same demographic up against each other? When they do that, they split the audience and often kill one or both shows in the process. Stupid.


3 posted on 03/24/2009 8:56:27 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: prismsinc

Mondays are a crowded evening ... House, 24, Heroes, Big Bang Theory. We end up DVRing and watching throughout the week.

SnakeDoc


4 posted on 03/24/2009 8:57:37 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor (God Bless Our Troops -- Especially Our Snipers)
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To: exist

“the whole mutants wrongly being hauled around in orange terrorist jumpsuits?”

I don’t watch Heroes, but why is it that when you peel back all the layers of bad guys in 24, it’s always the white male at the core? This year it’s the Blackwater look-alike, Starkwood, that’s doing anything for profit.

Sounds like MoveOn’s been scripting this one...


5 posted on 03/24/2009 9:00:09 AM PDT by Quaid
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To: exist
"I like both shows but Heroes doesn’t seem very conservative to me. I mean, the whole mutants wrongly being hauled around in orange terrorist jumpsuits? And the crazy government soldier guys?"

Try this parallel...the "heroes" are those who work hard and prosper - "the haves." The crazy government soldier guys are Nancy, Barney, Harry, Chuck and Timmy plus the rest of OreoBama's crew, who want to take "the haves" out of circulation until they can determine how to protect the "have nots" from them.

6 posted on 03/24/2009 9:02:02 AM PDT by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: Quaid
I don’t watch Heroes, but why is it that when you peel back all the layers of bad guys in 24, it’s always the white male at the core? This year it’s the Blackwater look-alike, Starkwood, that’s doing anything for profit.

It's true in a way. If you think about it, islamic extremists, illegal immigrants, and Barack Obama couldn't be doing what they're doing were it not for latte-sipping white chicks and their boyfriends at Starbucks. No offense to Starbucks who's Baristas are usually hot.

7 posted on 03/24/2009 9:03:13 AM PDT by exist
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To: prismsinc

If you watched this weeks episode of “Heroes”, in a parking garage, while in hiding, the character “Tracy” asked a question to the character “Rebel” that involved behaving just like Che Guevara. I thought that was a strange question to ask.


8 posted on 03/24/2009 9:04:50 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: Question_Assumptions

CHuck is a fun show that my entire family watches...


9 posted on 03/24/2009 9:06:24 AM PDT by ARA
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

Yep, his answer was that Che was a revolutionary he was starting a rebellion. Would have been better to say that he Che was a murderer but hey what do I know. Thought it was a good episode regardless.


10 posted on 03/24/2009 9:13:46 AM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

I noticed that,too. then commented that Che was a ‘great revolutionary’ or some BS like that.

guess he went to public school.


11 posted on 03/24/2009 9:15:02 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Chuck is a riot. Discovered it after season two started. So we used Netflix to get season one. Hilarious. The characters work so well together, and Zachary Levi (Chuck) has perfect comedic timing (the whole cast does pretty darn well, actually). I love Baldwin’s character.


12 posted on 03/24/2009 9:24:25 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: exist

You have NEVER been to the Metro Center Starbucks in Nashville


13 posted on 03/24/2009 9:26:22 AM PDT by sticker
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

“Rebel” said no, that was a revolution.


14 posted on 03/24/2009 9:30:55 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
while in hiding, the character “Tracy” asked a question to the character “Rebel” that involved behaving just like Che Guevara. I thought that was a strange question to ask.

Roll over! Play Dead!

How else does one behave like they are full of bullet holes?

15 posted on 03/24/2009 9:32:44 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't fly, can't ski, can't drive, can't skipper a boat, but they know what's best.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

He did not say that. He said that he was doing a rebellion, and Che did a revolution.

Here’s the dictionary.com definitions of the 2, and I don’t know Rebel’s point.

revoluion: an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed.

rebellion: open, organized, and armed resistance to one’s government or ruler.


16 posted on 03/24/2009 9:33:30 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: prismsinc

Never seen Heroes......but a dual-tuner TiVo takes care of the problem of viewing both.


17 posted on 03/24/2009 9:39:28 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: prismsinc
Heroes is NOT conservative. I enjoy the show but remember...the mutants are all called terrorists and the gov't want to kill and torture them. They're really 'moderates' who are different and we're just scared of their differences so we call them terrorists. That's not a conservative message.

24 isn't very conservative this season either. We've got a bleeding heart President who wants to invade a country that's of no strategic importance to the USA and where our interests are not in danger, to stop a genocide...even as American civilians are killed in the hundreds.

18 posted on 03/24/2009 9:43:01 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: prismsinc

What’s the witchhunt plot about? Is it like X-men (the comics and the movies) where mutants are supposed to be a poor put upon minority where some of them have gathered together as a Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (their own name not mine) hellbent on global domination and where even the HEROES(!) engage in identity theft (masquerading as famous people, including politicos they disagree with) and invasion of privacy (telepathicly reading minds, turning invisible to spy on people, etc.).

Yeah, those poor mutants don’t mean nobody any harm.


19 posted on 03/24/2009 9:44:43 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ("I certainly hope he (Bush) doesn’t succeed" - Democratic strategist James Carville 9-11-2001)
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To: prismsinc

And don’t forget that the real bad guys in 24 this season is a Halliburton clone company called Starkwood.


20 posted on 03/24/2009 9:45:01 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: SnakeDoctor

The networks are going to have to schedule OBAMA’s nightly televised speech in their broadcast programming. They’d just better hope that he isn’t like Fidel delivering 3 hour speeches when he delivers his own speeches on the glories of Communism.


21 posted on 03/24/2009 9:47:11 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ("I certainly hope he (Bush) doesn’t succeed" - Democratic strategist James Carville 9-11-2001)
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To: exist

To be honest, I though mutants being wrongly hauled around by crazed soldier types was just some sort of inevitability in comic books involving mutants... and, I doubt it really is the government involved since that’s way too vague and impersonal of an enemy for the show, I think it’s someone (probably someone we’ve already met) taking advantage of Nathan so they can use government resources, and by and large, the government doesn’t know what’s really going on.


22 posted on 03/24/2009 9:49:32 AM PDT by Hyzenthlay (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: exist

I can’t get into Heroes. I tried but once I can’t get into it, it is very difficult for me to try again...24 is AWESOME. However, I can’t watch it week to week so I always by the DVDs when they come out and watch the entire thing in a weekend or two (thank God wife loves it too. lol).


23 posted on 03/24/2009 9:56:47 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Question_Assumptions

As for putting Heroes up against 24 (and for putting Chuck up against The Big Bang Theory), are television programmers trying to kill off their networks by placing shows that appeal to the same demographic up against each other? When they do that, they split the audience and often kill one or both shows in the process. Stupid.

They have done this for years. I never could understand why they do this. It has killed many good shows in the process over the years. Hopefully one day they will smarten up. But doubtful since it usually involves rival networks. Luckily I only like 24 out of the four you mentioned, but I understand it would be disappointing if you are fans of the other three shows.


24 posted on 03/24/2009 9:58:58 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: exist

Heroes is not 24. Never viewed it as a having a conservative theme. Still don’t.


25 posted on 03/24/2009 10:02:29 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: prismsinc

The most conservative show on TV IMHO is American Idol. How is it that FRiends here don’t agree with me most of the time. I mean they have to work hard. Americans vote. Families watch. What is wrong with FREEPERS that they can’t see this?


26 posted on 03/24/2009 10:03:09 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
I can’t get into Heroes. I tried but once I can’t get into it, it is very difficult for me to try again...24 is AWESOME. However, I can’t watch it week to week so I always by the DVDs when they come out and watch the entire thing in a weekend or two (thank God wife loves it too. lol).

What if she didn't?

27 posted on 03/24/2009 10:03:49 AM PDT by exist
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To: exist

What if she didn’t?

Very good question...I would not be watching it as quickly that is for sure or perhaps not at all...


28 posted on 03/24/2009 10:07:40 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator
They have done this for years. I never could understand why they do this. It has killed many good shows in the process over the years.

There are executives within entertainment companies who don't always like programs even when they are getting good ratings or have a built in audience.

It happened when some SeeBS executive decided to get the "hillbilly" progamming off the network around 1970.

It happened when Terry Gilliam's Brazil was greenlighted but the studio execs didn't want to back it.

Executives will sabotage a project out of spite, disregard, and personal vendetta. They don't care that the shareholders will suffer as a result. And they move with their board from company to company.

If someone dislikes genre programming and geeks and likes nighttime soap operas about cops, lawyers, doctors, or rich housewives, all the questioning in the world won't get them to reveal why they are killing a successful program.

29 posted on 03/24/2009 10:08:13 AM PDT by a fool in paradise ("I certainly hope he (Bush) doesn’t succeed" - Democratic strategist James Carville 9-11-2001)
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To: napscoordinator
What if she didn’t? Very good question...I would not be watching it as quickly that is for sure or perhaps not at all...

Women.

30 posted on 03/24/2009 10:09:52 AM PDT by exist
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To: exist

lol. Can’t live with them...can’t live without them.


31 posted on 03/24/2009 10:10:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: prismsinc

I gave up on Heroes when it turned south because of the writer’s strike a few years ago. Should I go back to it? And are the past episodes available for streaming anywhere?

Running out of shows to watch again.


32 posted on 03/24/2009 10:15:52 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: a fool in paradise
In Heroes, they only mention Marvel comic heroes like Spiderman, Ironman, and the Hulk. Marvel has their hands in this show and you can tell by how the show has become a live action version of the X-Men comics complete with a government that wants to incarcerate all heroes/mutants.

Stan Lee is a major lib too. No real conservative themes playing out in this show.

33 posted on 03/24/2009 10:34:40 AM PDT by sadamico (Can a state AG file a suit against the federal government for violating the US Constitution?)
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To: pgkdan
the real bad guys in 24 this season is a Halliburton clone company called Starkwood.

I believe Starkwood is supposed to more closely resemble Blackwater, which, among other things, has former military folks who provide protection for foreign leaders, and some State Dept. folks in foreign countries.

34 posted on 03/24/2009 10:49:16 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Domandred
And are the past episodes available for streaming anywhere?

Past seasons of "Heroes" are available on DVD from Netflix, if you have that service. You might also check Hulu , to see if it has older episodes.

35 posted on 03/24/2009 10:52:19 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

I agree it could be Blackwater...or XE. Either way it’s an evil corporation run by evil white men.


36 posted on 03/24/2009 10:52:59 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: Domandred

Hulu.com or Netflix has them. I like Heroes...it’s message isn’t conservative but it’s fun to watch.


37 posted on 03/24/2009 10:55:45 AM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: napscoordinator

I’ve never watched 24 for a variety of reasons (even though I’d probably like it) but it could hurt 24, too. While recording one or both and watching them later is always an option, that doesn’t really count in the ratings or with the advertizers. So all it would take to hurt 24 is some fans who decide to watch, say, Chuck and then follow in to Heroes without switching channels and DVR 24 to hurt 24’s ratings. The question becomes, when a person has a choice of watching one live and one later, do they watch Heroes or 24 later?


38 posted on 03/24/2009 11:06:54 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: ElectricStrawberry

While the dual tuner TiVo solves a lot of viewing problems, it doesn’t help the ratings since I think they don’t rate DVR viewings, skipping commercials, the same way they rate live viewings.


39 posted on 03/24/2009 11:11:32 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Domandred
Running out of shows to watch again.

I recommend Chuck, if you haven't been watching it. Great acting, great characters, and interesting plots. If you like sword and sorcery fantasy, you might want to try Legend of the Seeker (the episodes are all there, via Hulu), which is doing fairly well in syndication.

40 posted on 03/24/2009 11:18:48 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: pgkdan
Either way it’s an evil corporation run by evil white men.

In the minds of some, are there any other kinds, either corporations, or white men? ;o)

41 posted on 03/24/2009 11:52:28 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Question_Assumptions

How is “viewing” detected? I have no clue as to how ratings are generated.

If ratings are generated by what channel the cable box is set to.....or what channel my TV demands from the cable network.......then shouldn’t it rate what my TiVo is taping since the TiVo actually changes the channel on the box?

Don’t know how it works with any other DVR.......but the ability to not watch commercials is well worth the extra charge.


42 posted on 03/24/2009 11:53:29 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment....cut in half during the Clinton years...)
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To: Hyzenthlay

The government does know since Nathan references getting orders from the president.


43 posted on 03/24/2009 12:38:39 PM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Yea Chuck is on my watch list. Watched the first maybe 10 minutes of Legend of the Seeker first episode on Hulu and it didn’t hook me. Maybe I’ll give it a try again sometime. Too busy re-watching SG-1 first season now on Hulu.


44 posted on 03/24/2009 1:02:39 PM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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To: Domandred

Legend of the Seeker starts out slow but picks up quite well and has some decent depth to it. If takes until about Episode 4 until it really hits its stride. If you can’t get in to the intro, try watching one of the episodes in the 4 to 9 range and then go back for the background the first episodes provide if you like it. Those episodes should be self-contained enough for you to know what’s going on without watching the opening. The 3rd episode isn’t bad but it’s not the strongest.


45 posted on 03/24/2009 1:31:15 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
Heroes lost me a long while back except for the adventures of Hiro and Ando. The rest you can keep.

I used to love 24 but it may have jumped the shark. Bill is dead and that odious Garafalo woman is still on.

Last night's Chuck was a great episode. Chuck has been a favorite here since it started. Got to love the losers at the Buy More. The bit with Jeffster a few weeks back was so funny. If they release a CD soundtrack, that had better be on there.

46 posted on 03/24/2009 2:41:44 PM PDT by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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