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To: Non-Sequitur
How? I've listened to you lost causers claim that for years now. How exactly did Lincoln murder the Republic?

It would perhaps be better to describe Mr. Lincoln as an accessory after the fact. The anti-Federalists were right after all. A. Hamilton was Lincoln's political progenitor.

Professors Thomas DiLorenzo and Walter Williams seem to have a handle on it. Have you read Lysander Spooner? Why exactly did New England States ponder secession so seriously?

16 posted on 04/12/2009 9:48:38 AM PDT by yatros from flatwater ("Cui bono?")
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To: yatros from flatwater
It would perhaps be better to describe Mr. Lincoln as an accessory after the fact. The anti-Federalists were right after all. A. Hamilton was Lincoln's political progenitor.

And how so.

Professors Thomas DiLorenzo and Walter Williams seem to have a handle on it.

Tommy DiLorenzo and Walter Williams blame Lincoln for everything up to and including a rainy day. Doesn't make them right.

Have you read Lysander Spooner?

I have. Have you read the parts of his writings where he says slavery was illegal and a violation of the Constiution? Was he right there as well?

Why exactly did New England States ponder secession so seriously?

It's debatable that New England seriously pondered secession, in 1815 or any other time. Certainly nothing coming out of the Hartford Convention specifically threatens it. But it's interesting to note the response that even the hint of secession got. One prominent newspaper went so far as to post an editorial on the subject:

The Union is in danger. Turn to the convention in Hartford, and learn to tremble at the madness of its authors. How far will those madmen advance? Though they may conceal from you the project of disunion, though a few of them may have even concealed if from themselves, yet who will pretend to set the bounds to the rage of disaffection? Once false step after another may lead them to resistance to the laws, to a treasonable neutrality, to a war against the Government of the United States. In truth, the first act of resistance to the law is treason to the United States. Are you ready for this state of things? Will you support the men who would plunge you into this ruin?

No man, no association of men, no state or set of states has a right to withdraw itself from this Union, of its own accord. The same power which knit us together, can only unknit. The same formality, which forged the links of the Union, is necessary to dissolve it. The majority of States which form the Union must consent to the withdrawal of any one branch of it. Until that consent has been obtained, any attempt to dissolve the Union, or obstruct the efficacy of its constitutional laws, is Treason--Treason to all intents and purposes.

Any other doctrine, such as that which has been lately held forth by the ‘Federal Republican’ that any one State may withdraw itself from the Union, is abominable heresy – which strips its author of every possible pretension to the name or character of Federalist.

We call, therefore, upon the government of the Union to exert its energies, when the season shall demand it – and seize the first traitor who shall spring out of the hotbed of the convention of Harford. This illustrious Union, which has been cemented by the blood of our forefathers, the pride of America and the wonder of the world must not be tamely sacrificed to the heated brains or the aspiring hearts of a few malcontents. The Union must be saved, when any one shall dare to assail it.

Countrymen of the East! We call upon you to keep a vigilant eye upon those wretched men who would plunge us into civil war and irretrievable disgrace. Whatever be the temporary calamities which may assail us, let us swear, upon the altar of our country, to SAVE THE UNION.

That was the Richmond Enquirer, November 1, 1814. Why were they wrong then and right 46 years later?

18 posted on 04/12/2009 9:57:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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