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The Future Break Up of the United States of America
Post Scripts ^ | 5/7/09 | Don Koenig

Posted on 05/07/2009 2:58:22 PM PDT by OneVike

The United States of America is really 50 sovereign states in a union and that union can dissolve just like the Soviet Union did. This article will give some possibilities how that break up can occur but there certainly could be other scenarios for this to happen.

The major possibility is that after national elections socialist/liberal/progressive forces take control of the executive and legislative branches of government and soon thereafter the Supreme Court. They then would proceed to pass and uphold every sort of socialist legislation such as: hate speech laws, gun laws, immigration laws, socialized medicine, social activism and secular humanism agendas in schools and places of work, outlawing of home schooling, expanding social give-away programs, passing tax laws that burden the middle-class, implementing carbon restrictions and fees, increasing big brother/nanny state police powers and many other laws and regulations that subvert individual freedoms given under the Constitution of the United States for what they will claim to be the greater good of society.


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KEYWORDS: america; antichrist; armageddon; cwii; future; igorpanarin; session
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When I look at what the Bible says about the end times, I often wonder, like most people, how it could come about. While many have their understandings of the scenarios in the Scriptures, I can see something similar to this happening. It has been pointed out by many theologians that nowhere in the Scriptures can they see any scenario where the United States of America plays a role.

That being said, we are the most powerful country this world has ever known. With the ascension of the Socialists to power it is just a matter of time before our dominant economic status in the world is diminished. However we still have the most advanced and powerful military on this planet. Something has to diminish our ability to stop the inevitable anti-Christ from gaining power in Europe.

I can see one of a number of scenarios that the author suggests as the cause of our military being reduced to a mere collection of rogue nuclear states like some of the former Eastern block countries. It could be that the anti-Christ would play these separate countries against each other in an Armageddon type end of the world war situation.

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Just sayings is all, "It could happen"
1 posted on 05/07/2009 2:58:22 PM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike

ping


2 posted on 05/07/2009 2:59:17 PM PDT by unkus
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To: OneVike

Southern and Southwestern VA would definitely join with the Southern/Mountain regions.


3 posted on 05/07/2009 3:03:21 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: OneVike
It could be that the anti-Christ would play these separate countries against each other in an Armageddon type end of the world war situation.

That sheet don't fly in Texas.

We'll bail out because y'all suck and the antichrist is welcome to give us his best shot, too.

We'll roll that sucker for his money and then hang him in a tree.

4 posted on 05/07/2009 3:03:34 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: OneVike

Sad... if the idiot socialists kept the federal system going they could have their way in their own states. We, the capitalists, would be perfectly happy to live in the same nation with idiot socialists screwing up their own states as long as they kept their grubby paws off our states.


5 posted on 05/07/2009 3:04:42 PM PDT by Crazieman (Feb 7, 2008 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1966675/posts?page=28#28)
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To: humblegunner

You got room for me and annie ?


6 posted on 05/07/2009 3:05:55 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: OneVike

This is gonna be good for TWO bags of popcorn - reference ping!


7 posted on 05/07/2009 3:05:58 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: OneVike

bookmark


8 posted on 05/07/2009 3:09:26 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: OneVike

So how does the map break out? Are the Blue states Liberal, the Red states Conservative ... what would the Green states be?


9 posted on 05/07/2009 3:10:31 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: al baby
Y'all can stay with me, we got trucks and four-wheelers and guns and a river.

And we'll roll Satan for his money then hang him in a tree.

10 posted on 05/07/2009 3:11:22 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: OneVike

would you think Co, Nev. Ut.nor Kentucky would go with the west/east coast? I would think they are more conservative.


11 posted on 05/07/2009 3:11:59 PM PDT by nbhunt
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To: OneVike

Just consider that the United States is an amalgam of the Roman Empire states, the Eastern Kingdoms, the Southern Kingdoms, and it could just be that we’re covered under the “Revived Roman Empire.” Mostly it applies to the world view from a statist point of view, as opposed to the theocratic viewpoint Christians possess. In the present world view, the State provides everything. When the Church departs, so will all those who hold the view that God does.


12 posted on 05/07/2009 3:13:03 PM PDT by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: humblegunner

We be getting real tired of So. Cali. better known as northern well you know


13 posted on 05/07/2009 3:14:02 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: OneVike
"The Future Break Up of the United States of America"

A bit hysterical today aren't we?

14 posted on 05/07/2009 3:14:27 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: OneVike

That is very close to my view. I would add that the NE might actually merge with the liberal parts of eastern Canada, while we take the central west - all the way up to Alaska.


15 posted on 05/07/2009 3:14:38 PM PDT by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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To: GOP Poet

A house divided can not stand. And you don’t get more divided than we are now.


16 posted on 05/07/2009 3:15:36 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: OneVike

Hard to imagine NC going with NY. Or even ND going with NY.


17 posted on 05/07/2009 3:16:04 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: OneVike

And Alaska certainly would not go with CA.


18 posted on 05/07/2009 3:16:39 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

The NoDaks would go where MN pulled them, I think. I’m just glad that the map has SD with the red states.


19 posted on 05/07/2009 3:18:17 PM PDT by SoDak (Molon Labe)
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To: Brilliant

I think there would be a lot of ‘Kosovo’ type wars especially in NC, CO, NM, AZ, ND, SD. KY is not going with a ‘Blue State group that’s for sure. IN might be another divided state if America.


20 posted on 05/07/2009 3:19:46 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: OneVike
I seems the best agricultural land is in the red zone.
I've noticed that most Leftists idea of how to feed large populations.
21 posted on 05/07/2009 3:19:59 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: al baby
We be getting real tired of So. Cali. better known as northern well you know

Come on over, I just cleaned up the guest room.

Stupid cats got on the bookshelves and pushed about 700 books onto the floor.

Note to self: Close the door, Johnny.. good boy.

22 posted on 05/07/2009 3:20:20 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: OneVike

http://rightbias.com/News/video23.aspx

50 Year-Old Cartoon Eerily Predicts The Future
Video
RightBias.com
May 4, 2009

The more things change, the more they remain the same, as shown by this video produced 50 years ago. Dr. Utopia promises the world - just give away your freedom and the government will take care of you forever.

It didn’t work then but learning from history is not allowed in our new ‘Dr. Utopia’s’ prescription for changing America.

Last portion of cartoon is especially prescient.


23 posted on 05/07/2009 3:20:36 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: OneVike
It could be that the anti-Christ would play these separate countries against each other in an Armageddon type end of the world war situation.

Looking at this map? I think more would go south at the county level in some of those green states.

24 posted on 05/07/2009 3:21:48 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: SoDak

western canada and alaska will merge up with the red (texas) part of America. East Canada will merge up with the green (new york) part

and the imagination goes wild


25 posted on 05/07/2009 3:23:05 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: humblegunner

I gotta move to TEXAS!


26 posted on 05/07/2009 3:23:24 PM PDT by FES0844
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To: nbhunt; humblegunner; SkyDancer; GOP Poet; TLI; al baby; Crazieman; KoRn; unkus


A Russian professor named Igor Panarin has been predicting for more than 10 years that the U.S. will soon break-up into smaller parts.
Will America Split, Again?

The picture in my original post of America split three ways was found on the web. I was just looking for a map graphic. Reality is I can see the country breaking up into almost 6 separate smaller countries. With Texas, Alaska, and Hawaii all becoming countries of their own.

They are probably the only ones who could pull it off. California will just join Mexico.
27 posted on 05/07/2009 3:23:45 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: StormEye
Correction:
I've noticed that most Leftists have no idea of how to feed large populations. The Left Coast and the North East will starve. (Although California does have a large agricultural potential.)
28 posted on 05/07/2009 3:24:26 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: americanophile
A bit hysterical today aren't we?

I was bored.
29 posted on 05/07/2009 3:25:05 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

I really think that “the AntiChrist” as a discreet phenomenon is Islam.


30 posted on 05/07/2009 3:28:24 PM PDT by arthurus (ACORN + Amnesty = Venezuelan Democracy in the USSSA)
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To: FES0844
Come on in, we won't be enforcing immigration quotas until after the secession.
31 posted on 05/07/2009 3:28:45 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: Crazieman

Those socialists would, of course require the capitalist states to pay for the socialism in the other states.


32 posted on 05/07/2009 3:29:38 PM PDT by arthurus (ACORN + Amnesty = Venezuelan Democracy in the USSSA)
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To: roses of sharon

bfl


33 posted on 05/07/2009 3:30:03 PM PDT by mel
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


34 posted on 05/07/2009 3:31:29 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Naturalized Texan)
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To: arthurus

My opinion too.


35 posted on 05/07/2009 3:34:32 PM PDT by marron
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To: OneVike
Reality is I can see the country breaking up into almost 6 separate smaller countries. With Texas, Alaska, and Hawaii all becoming countries of their own.

If it happens (and I don't think it will), that's the way it will be. If the country breaks up Hawaii will go its own way. Probably Alaska will too.

People who think other states would join up with Texas are dreaming. There would just be too much struggle for supremacy. Either Texas would break up into other states or it would absorb them. The rest of the Plains states, say, wouldn't want to just be the tail to a Texas dog.

It would be the same way with California. No way would Arizona or Nevada or Utah join up with them. California might break in two, and each part might join up with other states, though.

Speculating about this is a little embarrassing, but I don't think the Russian professor understands America that well. Kentucky and Tennessee wouldn't end up in the same country with Connecticut and Massachusetts. Montana and Idaho and Utah and Wyoming would be more likely to end up together, rather than divided between rival countries.

But the point is: a lot of things we take for granted will be lost if the country breaks up. The consequences can't all be predicted beforehand.

36 posted on 05/07/2009 3:38:25 PM PDT by x
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To: humblegunner

This break up could happen because California is broke. They appear to have no intention of getting their financial house in order.

I think the bankruptcy of CA could be the catalyst for this to start.


37 posted on 05/07/2009 3:39:25 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: OneVike

What about the military? OK, each state now has its National Guard. Can’t the president call them to national service and put down any rebellion by a state government? Then too, what about the national military already stationed in the states. Couldn’t the federal government use them to prevent states from splitting off (Civil War?).


38 posted on 05/07/2009 3:39:34 PM PDT by SkyDancer ('Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..' ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: americanophile
A bit hysterical today aren't we?

I don't think so. 2000 years or so ago, Titus Livy, in the introduction to his monumental history of Rome remarked that his purpose in writing was "to trace the progress of our moral decline, to watch, first, the sinking of the foundations of morality as the old teaching was allowed to lapse, then the rapidly increasing disintegration, then the final collapse of the whole edifice, and the dark dawning of our modern day when we can neither endure our vices nor face the remedies needed to cure them."

That was then and this is now, but human nature hasn't changed much at all since then. Look at who we're dealing with - these are people who regard Orwell's 1984 as a textbook, not a cautionary tale. Do you propose to go quietly into that dark socialist night? At the end of the day, will you too love Big Brother?

If we let these monsters have their way, there will be no going back. We need to think about what we're going to build on the ashes - or there will be nothing BUT ashes..

39 posted on 05/07/2009 3:41:18 PM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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To: roses of sharon

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40 posted on 05/07/2009 3:42:15 PM PDT by bitterohiogunclinger (America held hostage - day 163)
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To: OneVike

It only happens when states start refusing orders from Washington. But theoretically, all that does is return us to a 10th Ammendment America, which is to say, America as it is supposed to work.


41 posted on 05/07/2009 3:42:33 PM PDT by marron
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To: OneVike
From the article:

They will muzzle politically incorrect speech and Christian proselytizing,

In progress, fairness doctrine

subvert and brainwash our children with state approved text books and school programs and

Done

use national media for political and social propaganda.

Done

They will establish unfair tax burdens on the middle class in order to redistribute wealth to the lower class — specifically to those on welfare programs, poor foreign nations and those people who arrived in this nation illegally.

Done

They will irresponsibly expand the money supply to pay increasing budget shortfalls, causing the dollar to lose much of its value.

Partially done

Their socialistic polices will create stagflation or hyper-inflation that will effectively wipe out much of the savings of ten's of millions of people.

Partially done

I agree that we are near hopelessly divided. But since much of these things are already in progress or done, why isn't the secessionist movement father along?

For what you predict there would need to be:

1. some egregious flaunting of the constitution

2. a catastrophic event that changes the fundamental outlook of the majority of the populace where they would put their differences aside for the good of the country.

Possible thoughts for #1 above would be Obambi being ineligible to be president but remains in office or a serious overreach by Congress such as taking everyone’s 401K.

For #2, a serious terrorist attack, much more serious that 911 (nuke or WMD) could renew a belief in America with a new purpose and solidarity.

Based upon the situation today, I just do not see it.

schu

42 posted on 05/07/2009 3:42:40 PM PDT by schu
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To: x

I’m not even sure the state boundaries would look remotely like they do today. Such a break-up would involve a lot of conflict.

Natural boundaries would develop, and a lot of the straight line borders we see now would be historical anachronisms.

It would be ugly. And bloody.


43 posted on 05/07/2009 3:45:03 PM PDT by Betis70 (Keep working serf, Zero's in charge)
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To: Frantzie
I think the bankruptcy of CA could be the catalyst for this to start.

Well, if we're gonna do it I wish we would get on with it.

I'd hate to leave the job to my sons. That would be shitty.

44 posted on 05/07/2009 3:46:22 PM PDT by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: KoRn

As would western NC


45 posted on 05/07/2009 3:48:47 PM PDT by Adder (Proudly ignoring Zero's political stylings since 1-20-09!)
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To: OneVike
It will be that Ca, Ore, and Washington will go out along with Vancouver. Then, everything from PA, Md and NJ as well as DC will go out.

The rest of the states will join up with BC and Alberta along with AK and will create the second biggest country in the world right behind Russia.

46 posted on 05/07/2009 3:49:07 PM PDT by crz
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To: OneVike

“Because of your warning I live in a zip-lock plastic bag with clean oxygen piped in after passing through 18 filters which are replaced each hour.

Thanks to you, I no longer open a public bathroom door without using a paper towel.

I can’t use the remote in a hotel room because I don’t know what the last person was doing while flipping through the channels.

I can’t sit down on the hotel bedspread because I can only imagine what has happened on it since it was last washed.

I can’t enjoy lemon slices in my tea or on my seafood anymore because lemon peels have been found to contain all kinds of nasty germs including feces.

I have trouble shaking hands with someone who has been driving because the number one pastime while driving alone is picking your nose.

Eating a Little Debbie sends me on a guilt trip because I can only imagine how many gallons of Trans fats I have consumed over the years.

I can’t touch any woman’s purse for fear she has placed it on the floor of a public bathroom.

I must send my special thanks to whoever sent me the one about poop in the glue on envelopes because I now have to use a wet sponge with every envelope that needs sealing.

Also, now I have to scrub the top of every can I open for the same reason.

I no longer have any savings because I gave it to a sick girl (Penny Brown) who is about to die in the hospital for the 1,387,258th time.

I no longer have any money at all, but that will change once I receive the $15,000 that Bill Gates/Microsoft and AOL are sending me for participating in their special e-mail program ..

I no longer worry about my soul because I have 363,214 angels looking out for me, and St.Theresa’s novena has granted my every wish.

I no longer eat KFC because their chickens are actually horrible mutant freaks with no eyes or feathers.

I no longer use cancer-causing deodorants even though I smell like a water buffalo on a hot day.

Thanks to you, I have learned that my prayers only get answered if I forward an e-mail to seven of my friends and make a wish within five minutes.

Because of your concern I no longer drink Coca Cola because it can remove toilet stains.

I no longer can buy gasoline without taking someone along to watch the car so a serial killer won’t crawl in my back seat when I’m pumping gas.

I no longer drink Pepsi or Dr Pepper sinc e the people who make these products are atheists who refuse to put ‘Under God’ on their cans.

I no longer use Saran wrap in the microwave because it causes cancer.

And thanks for letting me know I can’t boil a cup of water in the microwave anymore because it will blow up in my face...disfiguring me for life.

I no longer check the coin return on pay phones because I could be pricked with a needle infected with AIDS.

I no longer go to shopping malls because someone will drug me with a perfume sample and rob me.

I no longer receive packages from UPS or FedEx since they are actually Al Qaeda in disguise.

I no longer shop at Target since they are French and don’t support our American troops or the Salvation Army.

I no longer answer the phone because someone will ask me to dial a number for or which I will get a phone bill with calls to Jamaica , Uganda , Singapore and Uzbekistan .

I no longer buy expensive cookies from Neiman-Marcus since I now have their recipe.

Thanks to you, I can’t use anyone’s toilet but mine because a big brown African spider is lurking under the seat to cause me instant death when it bites my ass.

And thanks to your great advice, I can’t ever pick up $5.00 dropped in the parking lot because it probably was placed there by a rapist waiting underneath my car to grab my leg.

If you don’t send this e-mail to at least 144,000 people in the next 70 minutes, a large dove with diarrhea will land on your head at 5:00 PM this afternoon and the fleas from 12 camels will infest your back, causing you to grow a hairy hump. I know this will occur because it actually happened to a friend of my next door neighbor’s ex-mother-in-law’s second husband’s cousin’s beautician..

Have a wonderful PARANOID day.”

Great e-mail.


47 posted on 05/07/2009 3:49:24 PM PDT by verity ("Lord, what fools we mortals be!")
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To: Noumenon
A breakup of our democracy would be civil war, and that would require a complete failure of our democratic system....there would be nothing but ashes. If it comes to that, I imagine all civilization will be reduced along with us...there is no post-democratic-American civilization...it's lights out for us all.
48 posted on 05/07/2009 3:49:29 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: OneVike
Some are of the opinion that when the disintegration of America is complete, we will be absorbed by the European Union.

We have too many debtors around the world, the largest of whom being China, who can call in the notes at any time and when they do, we're righteously screwed. We will have to join up with someone in order to survive.

49 posted on 05/07/2009 3:51:45 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: OneVike

The author describes the precursors to disunion in the future tense. However, in fact, most of them have already happened or are currently happening. He states: “The likelihood that this break up of the union will happen before 2025 A.D.” It may be earlier than that. The dems are power mad and will most likely overreach. They are simply unable to satisfy their lust for power no matter how much they acquire.


50 posted on 05/07/2009 3:51:57 PM PDT by matt1234
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