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Mittal (Steel) to lay off 980 at Indiana Harbor plant (ALSO Closing Georgetown "Indefinately")
Gary Post-Tribune ^ | 5-13-09 | Gary Post-Tribune

Posted on 05/13/2009 3:30:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf

EAST CHICAGO — ArcelorMittal officials have announced plans to layoff nearly 1,000 workers at the steelmaker’s Indiana Harbor plant.

Company officials announced a “mass layoff” at the Flat Carbon facility, where the steelmaker recently idled the No. 4 blast furnace, a letter to local union leaders states.

Workers will be laid off “for an indefinite period of time during the 14-day period commencing on July 12, 2009,” a letter to United Steelworkers Local 1011 from General Manager Mark Whalen states.

The sagging economy, particularly the deep slump in auto manufacturing, has caused steep declines in demand for steel — less than a year after domestic steelmakers had recorded some of their highest revenues in history.

The Indiana Harbors mills likely are operating somewhere near 40 percent of capacity, said Tom Hargrove, president of Local 1010, which represents Steelworkers on the east side of the plant.

(Excerpt) Read more at post-trib.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: garyworks; layoff; obamasfault; obamunism; skittles; steel
Steel Production is a FORWARD LOOKING Indicator of Economic Activity. It has to be ordered MONTHS, or even a year in advance to get it made for production quotas.

Gary voted 94% FOR OBAMA... They are getting EXACTLY what they voted for.

And actually, I have pity for them. Maybe they can make sandwiches for thier families with all that "HOPE!" and "CHANGE!!" they were promised?

But then, how can you have pity for Unionized Democrat-voting Workers led down the primrose path of Socialism with promises of Golden Unicorns crapping magical Skittles, only to learn that they killed the Golden Goose, instead...

1 posted on 05/13/2009 3:30:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

The ramp in steel stocks (under the guise of them “green shoots”) had me really scratching my head in puzzlement. How...with 2 of 3 car mfrs effectively closing...?


2 posted on 05/13/2009 3:33:45 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Mr. Bernanke, have you started working on your book about the second GREATER depression?")
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To: tcrlaf

OK, so 980 workers were laidoff, but how many jobs did Obama save? /zombie


3 posted on 05/13/2009 3:35:03 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: tcrlaf
Golden Unicorns crapping magical Skittles, only to learn that they killed the Golden Goose

More metaphors!

4 posted on 05/13/2009 3:36:24 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: tcrlaf
I'm sure they'll be quite content at home, unemployed, as long as some evil CEO gets his.

BWWAAAHAAAHAAA.

5 posted on 05/13/2009 3:40:25 PM PDT by synbad600
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The answer is “none” because Obama is destroying jobs.


6 posted on 05/13/2009 3:41:01 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: tcrlaf

Steel was having an excellant year until the fall of ‘08, it’s been falling like a rock since. Steel plants are operating at 50% capacity or less, something has to give. Too bad for these workers.


7 posted on 05/13/2009 3:42:00 PM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: tcrlaf

Zero creating more jobs. Just another lie from hussein.
I can’t think of any truths he’s told—oh wait—I forgot , dims don’t know how.


8 posted on 05/13/2009 3:43:33 PM PDT by taillightchaser (!)
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To: tcrlaf
"Steel Production is a FORWARD LOOKING Indicator of Economic Activity."

So is shipping, that's why I keep an eye on these charts.

9 posted on 05/13/2009 3:43:35 PM PDT by blam
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To: tcrlaf

No problems, the laid off workers can retrain for “green” jobs. maybe doing research on climate change or running computer programs modeling sea level rise.

You know, the really high paying technical jobs of sustainable industry.

So just tell the laid off workers to put on the white lab coats and grab their clip boards, their next job will be producing green for everyone.


10 posted on 05/13/2009 3:57:09 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: tcrlaf

I work in an industry that uses a lot of steel and we’re having trouble getting shipments because these plants want the volume of an auto industry and we’re too small to matter.


11 posted on 05/13/2009 4:19:39 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: tcrlaf

People from Gary don’t work. People might work in Gary, but People in Gary don’t work.

This plant is in Burns Harbor anyway, east of Gary, and a lot, if not most of these workers drive in from other areas, like Crown Pointe, Laporte, and other areas that a waaay more conservative and generally more republican.

The union did bleed the place over the years, but most of the people that I know that work there hate all the union crap. Its like all other union shops, bled by pensions and healthcare paid to past employees more than current pay and benefits. Its kind of like what we will be going through witg Social Security, medicare, medicaid etc, and obama’s nationalized healthcare.

Although this particular plant paid better than mittal’s other plants around here, but that’s mostly because they were manufacturing (blast furnaces), not processing steel, which actually kind of dangerous. Starting pay at processing, $18, or $19 an hour. Now, US steel pays exorbitant amounts of money, like double, or nearly double.

Mittal is also making more and more steel in India, and then processing it here. I’m sure pay is much much lower, but also way less, if any pollution standards.

One big problem I always had with them is even though Indiana is a right to work state, the union will get you fired at the steel plants, if you refuse to join. They have a strangle hold on the places to feed the union machine, or they’d probably be nearly nonexistent with newer workers.

On the plus side though, maybe mittal will wise up like a lot of places around here and toss the unions and all their excesses and legacy costs.


12 posted on 05/13/2009 4:20:30 PM PDT by jkeith3213
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To: jkeith3213
I can tell you understand the local situation better that most posters. You must be a "region rat"? I've lived in the area my whole life and have lots of friends and family in the steel business.

But, I don't believe IN is a right to work state.
13 posted on 05/13/2009 4:25:56 PM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: count-your-change
Reminds me of a poster I saw the other day in which some delusional watermelon urged support for Barky`s “green jobs” initiative,as in “renewable energy”.They quoted the use of some number of tons of steel for the production of wind mills.Too bad US companies can`t afford to make them,guess the eco-dummies never bothered to look up what fuels steel making,especially blast furnaces.
14 posted on 05/13/2009 4:31:24 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

If not steel for windmills then maybe switch grass for basket weaving, then when the baskets wear out, turn them into green fuel. How exciting.
The laid off workers can weave and think happy, happy thoughts.


15 posted on 05/13/2009 4:37:03 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: jkeith3213
This also may be related to the blast furnace going down due to a catastrophic failure (burn through) several weeks ago. From what I heard, it is a total loss and will not be replaced.
16 posted on 05/13/2009 4:37:08 PM PDT by slapshot (""USAF- when you absolutely, positively need it delivered on target, on time, right away)
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To: jkeith3213
On the plus side though, maybe mittal will wise up like a lot of places around here and toss the unions and all their excesses and legacy costs.

The sagging economy, particularly the deep slump in auto manufacturing, has caused steep declines in demand for steel — less than a year after domestic steelmakers had recorded some of their highest revenues in history.

Some of you guys are really poisoned with this constant union carping...

Obviously the issue is not the unions...The companies were making record profits in spite of the unions...

The problem is jobs...There's no one to buy any cars...Now those steelworker won't be buying any either...

17 posted on 05/13/2009 4:37:32 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: jkeith3213

No,if they`re talking about the Mital plant (formally known as Inland Steel) in East Chicago (Harbor) then its not the Burns Harbor plant.Lets just say that I`m EXSTREMELY well acquainted with the area.But you`re right about Gary,the main source of income there is Government handouts,as in welfare checks,problem is that much of Lake county IN is rapidly catching up.


18 posted on 05/13/2009 4:38:17 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

That’s the thing about liberals, they don’t have the first clue what they’re talking about.

This green lunacy is so out of hand, on HGTV they get all giggly with themselves about saving the planet by “re-purposing” a copper kettle into a chandelier.

No one is apparently bright enough to point out that copper occurs naturally in the earth.


19 posted on 05/13/2009 4:38:33 PM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tcrlaf

You know, GREEN SHOOTS and all that....


20 posted on 05/13/2009 4:48:14 PM PDT by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: KC_Conspirator
“The answer is “none” because Obama is destroying jobs.”

980 people that actually make something are out of work while Obama is hiring 20,000 government employees that don't make anything.

No, nothing wrong with that picture...

21 posted on 05/13/2009 4:50:26 PM PDT by Gabrial (Obama Lied - The Republic Died)
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To: tpanther
Anyone who has worked in a steel mill,and I have,knows that they`re one of the biggest users of fossil energy we have.Especially if you make steel,as a previous poster has pointed out.You see,mini mills recycle scrap steel,usually in electric arc furnaces,but true mills use blast furnaces to make it from iron ore then feed the molten "pig iron" into other furnaces like a BOF or electric arc with scrap steel.If ,in theory you used only electric furnaces powered by "green power" you still have to contend with the potential of rising scrap prices, as no one in America will be making it from scratch due to the fact that it requires coke,or coal "cooked" to remove all coal chemicals and leave only pure carbon.They have experimented with direct injection of coal in blast furnaces but everyone I`ve talked to says that is a crappy way of making iron,too many impurities to cook out in the later BOF or electric processing.There`s apparently only so much argon bubbling and continuous casting can handle.Are there any metallurgical engineers on this thread?Did they ever get the direct coal method to work?
22 posted on 05/13/2009 5:01:38 PM PDT by nomad
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To: tpanther
Coke making is also none too “green” either.The number of environmental controls needed to make it legal,coal chemicals do contain toxic compounds like benzene and naphthalene, are VERY expensive and dramatically raise the cost of producing pig iron.The name “pig iron” comes from the old method of casting it in billet form using sand molds that had the billets attached to each other by runners or troughs in the mold that to some guy resembled piglets feeding off a mother sow,or so the story goes.
23 posted on 05/13/2009 5:12:40 PM PDT by nomad
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To: tcrlaf

Hope they like all that Hope and change they voted for!


24 posted on 05/13/2009 5:20:05 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: tcrlaf

Steelworker union contracts wih companies take good care of the rank and file for a long time after the plant closes.


25 posted on 05/13/2009 6:02:46 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: jkeith3213

“This plant is in Burns Harbor anyway,”

Yes, I know...
But NO ONE outside of a few of us have ever heard of Burns harbor, but they have heard of “the Gary Works”...


26 posted on 05/13/2009 8:03:39 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: tcrlaf
They are also laying off about 900 workers in Cleveland, for an in definite period...presumably this round of layoffs is in anticipation of the auto companies' shutdowns scheduled for the near future.
27 posted on 05/13/2009 8:08:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: nomad

“Coke making is also none too “green” either.”

IPL/”Cinergy” closed it’s Coke/Gas operation in Indy in 2007, laying off a bunch more Union jobs because they felt the upgrades required by “pending legislation” as they called it, would never be recovered. Now it’s a huge, ugly,unproductive brownfield.

Obamanomics at work...


28 posted on 05/13/2009 8:09:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: nomad

Oh well, the one in burns harbor, used to bethlehem steel is laying off as well.


29 posted on 05/13/2009 9:10:47 PM PDT by jkeith3213
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To: tcrlaf; jkeith3213
just FYI:


Gary Works - US Steel; Gary,IN.

Indiana Harbor East - Arcelor Mittal - formally Inland Steel; East Chicago, IN.

Indiana Harbor West - Arcelor Mittal - formally LTV; East Chicago, IN.

Burns Harbor - Arcelor Mittal - formally Bethlehem Steel; Portage,IN.
30 posted on 05/14/2009 6:11:01 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

They sure bought up the lot of them. I haven`t lived in that area for years and can only get back to visit family once in a very great while. What particularly pissed me off is the way Mayor Daley closed some of the cess pools of public housing. That forced the welfare swine to move to the lower cost of living in N.W. IN. Typical liberal NIMBY attitude,they create the problem then refuse to live with it or cleaning it up.From what I`ve heard East Chicago,already bad, has become as bad a gang banger shooting gallery as Gary.


31 posted on 05/14/2009 6:30:44 AM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

East Chicago and north Hammond used to be decent (respectfully), but as you stated, gangs are turning it into a shooting gallery.


32 posted on 05/14/2009 6:34:34 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2
But the wonder is that so many useful idiots are assisting Barky in turning the rest of the country into one big Gary IN.Dude,I remember going shopping downtown in Gary and Hammond as a little kid with my parents and seeing thriving businesses.Now its mostly wasteland.And the blame can be laid squarely at the steps of LBJ`s “Great Society” Welfare state. Barky`s new injection of steroids into that old monster will only hasten this nation`s demise.
33 posted on 05/14/2009 7:08:13 AM PDT by nomad
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