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Lost World Shropshire? Mammoths In England Found To Be Most Recent Yet
Scientific Blogging ^ | June 17th 2009 | News Staff

Posted on 06/18/2009 4:06:52 AM PDT by decimon

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"Mammoths are conventionally believed to have become extinct in North Western Europe about 21,000 years ago during the main ice advance, known as the 'Last Glacial Maximum'" said Lister. "Our new radiocarbon dating of the Condover mammoths changes that, by showing that mammoths returned to Britain and survived until around 14,000 years ago."

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TOPICS: Hobbies; Science
KEYWORDS: condover; creation; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; mammoth; mammoths; mammothtoldme
This is kinda, almost post-pre-historical.
1 posted on 06/18/2009 4:06:52 AM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

Wooly Bully ping.


2 posted on 06/18/2009 4:07:55 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon; GodGunsGuts

They’ll figure out that they’re about 4400 years old, once the dating methods are actually accurate.


3 posted on 06/18/2009 4:14:41 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
They’ll figure out that they’re about 4400 years old, once the dating methods are actually accurate.

How do you know?

4 posted on 06/18/2009 4:23:32 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
How do you know?

Why....the bible is his science textbook. flat earth, geocentric, Luddites need to believe the earth is only 6000 or so years old. Of course advances in medicine that discover and kill the microbes, that are giving them relief from their colds, rashes, etc. are exempt from their scrutiny.

5 posted on 06/18/2009 4:37:33 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

Post 5 = Talking points that get pulled out and debunked on all of these threads.


6 posted on 06/18/2009 4:40:51 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: decimon

The ages of some of the remains of mammoths on Wrangel Island (an island in the Arctic Ocean) fall in the range 3730 BC to 7390 BC.


7 posted on 06/18/2009 4:50:53 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

Sorry, did I say BC? I meant BP, so 2009 years later :0)

This means there is radiocarbon dating evidence of Mammoths on Wrangel Island as little as 4000 years ago. The Shropshire Mammoths are hardly the most recent remains.


8 posted on 06/18/2009 4:55:46 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: demshateGod
Post #6 = talking points by peope who cant accept that God wants them to learn about his entire creation and not be bound by superstitions.

"Methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things the of the faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are" (CCC 159). The Catholic Church has no fear of science or scientific discovery.

9 posted on 06/18/2009 5:00:24 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: agere_contra
I did a quick ixQuick on that. Thats some interesting stuff. Holocene dwarf mammoths isolated there from the Siberian peninsula.

Abstracts: Holocene dwarf mammoths from Wrangel Island in the Siberian ** However, radiocarbon-dating of mammoth fossils gathered from Wrangel Island in the Siberian Arctic shows that a subpopulation of wooly mammoths survived up to 7,000-4,000 years ago.
www.faqs.org/ abstracts/ Zoology-and-wildlife-conservation/ Holocene-dwarf-mammoths-from-Wrangel-Island-in-the-Siberian-Arctic.ht ml

"It is generally agreed that the wooly mammoth became extinct about 10,000-12,000 years ago. However, radiocarbon-dating of mammoth fossils gathered from Wrangel Island in the Siberian Arctic shows that a subpopulation of wooly mammoths survived up to 7,000-4,000 years ago. Analysis of teeth fossils showed that this subpopulation consisted of normal-sized mammoths and a dwarfed form. The dwarfed form may be the result of insular dwarfing, when Wrengel Island separated from the mainland about 12,000 years ago."
10 posted on 06/18/2009 5:01:37 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: agere_contra
The Shropshire Mammoths are hardly the most recent remains.

Yeah, this seems limited to known remains in Europe.

11 posted on 06/18/2009 5:02:04 AM PDT by decimon
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To: agere_contra

I believe the article was talking about the mammoths of North Western Europe and not about Wrangel island or the world in general.


12 posted on 06/18/2009 5:02:43 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: decimon

13 posted on 06/18/2009 5:04:22 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Vaquero
I admit it, I didn't read the article! Please don't tell anyone!
14 posted on 06/18/2009 5:07:21 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: JoeProBono

That’s a tusky sucka.


15 posted on 06/18/2009 5:13:24 AM PDT by decimon
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To: agere_contra
agere_contra didn't read the article!
16 posted on 06/18/2009 5:16:31 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

(blushing with shame) This is why Huffington Post gets all the hits. Its people like me lousing up the all-important Mammoth-dating threads :0(


17 posted on 06/18/2009 5:21:03 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra
(blushing with shame) This is why Huffington Post gets all the hits. Its people like me lousing up the all-important Mammoth-dating threads :0(

Doesn't Huffington Post concentrate on contemporary mammoth louses?

18 posted on 06/18/2009 5:25:29 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
"Mammoths are conventionally believed to have become extinct in North Western Europe about 21,000 years ago...

It was the "Shropshire Slasher!"

***Ducks and Runs***

19 posted on 06/18/2009 5:27:28 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

LOL!

No, they became extinct because of the lack of Mammoth-dating agencies.


20 posted on 06/18/2009 5:29:27 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: decimon

"Oh my ,mammoth steaks are delicious"

21 posted on 06/18/2009 5:36:01 AM PDT by central_va
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To: central_va

I take it all back. The Huffington Post never show Helen Thomas pictures, that’s why they get three times the hits :0)


22 posted on 06/18/2009 5:37:30 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: agere_contra

Yes, the Wrangel island mammoths were an interesting thing. I believe they had become dwarves. It’s too bad they were killed off, it would be cool of some were to have survived until the present.

They became dwarves because of scarcity of resources. They say one of the ‘string figures’ ( like cat’s cradles) the Eskimo make is a figure of a mammoth.


23 posted on 06/18/2009 5:38:48 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: agere_contra
No, they became extinct because of the lack of Mammoth-dating agencies.

"Wrangel brides are dying to meet you!"

24 posted on 06/18/2009 5:39:25 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

25 posted on 06/18/2009 5:48:15 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If any of you die, can I please have your ammo?" ~ Gator113)
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To: squarebarb

That’s right, they did find evidence of Dwarf Mammoths.

Which just goes to show the wonder and joy of language. We have a situation where the phrase “Dwarf Mammoths” is completely correct and has no logical inconsistencies.


26 posted on 06/18/2009 5:54:18 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Daffynition

I’ll skip past the requisite, “Some people have too much time on their hands.”, to say that that is excellent.


27 posted on 06/18/2009 6:07:43 AM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
LOL ... that's what you do ...recycle ...when you have leftovers from thatching your roof. ;)


28 posted on 06/18/2009 6:40:06 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If any of you die, can I please have your ammo?" ~ Gator113)
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To: agere_contra

I am still laughing at your reply!

Indeed a dwarf mammoth is a contradiction in terms.


29 posted on 06/18/2009 7:39:52 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: decimon; GodGunsGuts

“They’ll figure out that they’re about 4400 years old, once the dating methods are actually accurate.

How do you know?”

A huge body of evidence points to a major cataclysm about 4.5k years ago. The mammoths are part of a huge wider issue of strange animals that belong in a completely different world - wooly rhinos, giant animals of various kinds, huge insects that couldn’t get enough oxygen through their skin to live today, indicating either a much higher oxygen level or a much higher pressure. And of course reptiles, which never stop growing, which is why there is a particular issue of old, giant reptiles, and relatively recent societal memory of these “dragons”.

The dating methods are wildly inaccurate. For one thing the giant insects demonstrate clearly that the atmosphere has changed in a substantive way, so any presumption of steady levels of anything is out the window. The dating methods for longer periods, K-Ar etc have equally ridiculous assumptions.

Whether or not you believe the Bible as a matter of faith, society should accept that people a few thousand years ago were extremely smart, and preserved a record for us. Instead society has the assumption that people a few thousand years ago were primitive and dumb, but the unfortunate truth is that society now is more primitive in its behaviour than society was a few thousand years ago.

Every piece of factual, checkable science backs up the biblical account of a massive cataclysmic flood in which water came up from under the crust of the Earth, from the vast supplies which modern science finally got around to finding out about in the last 10 years or so (google arctic ocean of water under mantle)

There are well funded organizations started by people like Rockefeller which actively promote an atheistic worldview, regardless of the actual evidence.

I sympathize with Christians who feel that Christianity must accept the “established science”, because I used to feel like that. But the truth was I had done ZERO research into the facts, and was basing my view simply on what I had been told to accept without question. The fascinating truth that deserves personal research, is that the Biblical account has at least as much evidence in its favor as the things we were taught in school, and in many cases more so.


30 posted on 06/18/2009 1:40:53 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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31 posted on 06/18/2009 6:15:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: agere_contra
Which just goes to show the wonder and joy of language. We have a situation where the phrase “Dwarf Mammoths” is completely correct and has no logical inconsistencies.

FINE!

Just leave me alone to eat my jumbo shrimp!...

32 posted on 06/18/2009 6:19:47 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 150 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Vaquero; decimon; GodGunsGuts
I posted a similar remark to this one earlier today, but I am going to do it again. Why do you guys, evos and creationists, go at it constantly. You are not going to change each other's minds and it is just silly. I mean, here, listen to yourselves, "The earth is 6000 years old!", "is not!", "Is too!", "Is not and your stupid!"," Is too and your dumber than me!". Believe me, this is exactly the way you all sound(or read if you wish).

You will never change anyone's mind, and here is the money quote: It doesn't matter what you believe, as long as you believe it then that is all that counts. Either one of you, evos or creationists, who tries to force their beliefs on the other, are no better than liberals trying to force all their BS on us.

Grow up, get a brain, that goes for both sides of the issue.

33 posted on 06/18/2009 6:49:17 PM PDT by calex59
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To: squarebarb

So how did they learn to use pics and shovels, and burrow into mines?


34 posted on 06/18/2009 9:46:55 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: calex59
Why do you guys, evos and creationists, go at it constantly.

I don't have a category and I don't "go at it" at all.

35 posted on 06/19/2009 2:39:52 AM PDT by decimon
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To: calex59
I never post these things....I believe they are counter productive to the conservative movement as we have to deal with the gun control, economy(read that as the new American Marxism), right to life, the military and the WOT, and Judeau-Christian tradition.

I believe that God set evolution into motion and only post on these things when creationist/intelligent design folks try to twist science to fit their rigid reading of the bible.

on the other hand I see people posting what I consider Luddite BS and wont let it stand if I see it.

I do however, believe there is self serving in the scientific field, especially if your grants require you to grasp hold on bogus science like antropomorophic global warming. There are no politically motivated grants given to anthropologists however.

36 posted on 06/19/2009 3:58:56 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: agere_contra

Just like jumbo shrimp, near miss, and President Obama.


37 posted on 06/19/2009 12:37:58 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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