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Coppola: 'Godfather II' shouldn't have been made
The Orange County Register ^ | June 19, 2009 | BARRY KOLTNOW

Posted on 06/22/2009 8:54:42 AM PDT by RangerM

"The Godfather, Part II" should never have been made.

No matter that it won six Oscars, including best picture, and is widely considered the best movie sequel ever.

According to Francis Ford Coppola, who won three of those Oscars, it was a movie that should not exist

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A break from politics.

I understand FFC's point, but I still think he's wrong.

1 posted on 06/22/2009 8:54:42 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: RangerM

No—G III should not have been made.


2 posted on 06/22/2009 8:55:44 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: RangerM

I think the third one shouldn’t have been made, love part 1 and 2.


3 posted on 06/22/2009 8:56:16 AM PDT by AirForceMom (Locked and loaded, and sharpening wooden stakes.)
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To: RangerM

I agree with other posters here, G3 was a mistake... and his daughter in the role was a frikkin’ disaster.


4 posted on 06/22/2009 8:58:22 AM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Buck W.

Then we’d never see Sofia pout and cry. No way.

The Copp is right. One was a masterpiece and should have stood alone.


5 posted on 06/22/2009 8:58:41 AM PDT by romanesq
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To: RangerM

Part 2 was awesome.


6 posted on 06/22/2009 8:58:42 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Buck W.; AirForceMom

I agree that GIII is the weakest, but I also like that it provides a certain closure for Michael (Corleone).


7 posted on 06/22/2009 8:58:45 AM PDT by RangerM (Gotz-ta git me sum of them internets!)
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To: RangerM

GII was ok but GIII was terrible. Sort of like T1 was awesome, T2 was ok and T3 was terrible.


8 posted on 06/22/2009 9:00:06 AM PDT by fso301
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To: AirForceMom

I especially like the remix called the Godfather Saga which taskes GFI and GFII and puts the scenes in chronological order, as well as splicing in additional footage.


9 posted on 06/22/2009 9:00:29 AM PDT by catman67
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To: RangerM

“I agree that GIII is the weakest, but I also like that it provides a certain closure for Michael (Corleone).”

It does, but his death is identical to that of his father in the first film. That always seemed cheap to me.


10 posted on 06/22/2009 9:01:53 AM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: RangerM
I liked both the original and II extremely well.

III should never have been made.

11 posted on 06/22/2009 9:02:45 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Buck W.
Exactly. #3 was a #2 in my john opinion
12 posted on 06/22/2009 9:02:55 AM PDT by lormand (zero b. Hussien - Hard on flies, soft on terrorists)
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To: RangerM

And somewhere, somebody probably cares. One thing about Hollywood, no self-absorbed people out there.


13 posted on 06/22/2009 9:04:22 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: RangerM

I liked all three and for different reasons. The whole discussion is somewhat silly because you can’t unring the bell. And I’m sure Coppola gladly cashed the checks that resulted from all 3 of the movies. Having DeNiro, Pacino in a movie made by Coppola in and of itself is a blessing, even if DeNiro and Pacino don’t appear together in any scene. Also the recreation of NYC in the 20’s (was it) i.e. the set design as well as the costumes are priceless. Finally having Pacino tell John Cavale - “You’re no longer my brother”. You can’t put a price on that either.


14 posted on 06/22/2009 9:04:42 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Buck W.

Well his physical death is the same as his fathers. Emotionally though he died much earlier. That was really the message of the 3rd film, Michael was just too much of a cold hearted SOB and it finally caught up with him.

Really if you dump the creepy incest plot and replace Sofia with somebody that can act 3 is a pretty good film.


15 posted on 06/22/2009 9:04:48 AM PDT by razorboy
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To: RangerM

I think G2 is better than G1! Why isn’t anyone bringing up “Police Acadamy” 6,7 or 8?! :)


16 posted on 06/22/2009 9:06:40 AM PDT by albie
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

Q. The name of that film?

A. It turned out to be “The Godfather.”

Q. How did that work out for you?


Pretty funny.


17 posted on 06/22/2009 9:06:48 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: RangerM

Coppola hasn’t made a decent movie since Rumble Fish back in the 80’s.


18 posted on 06/22/2009 9:07:14 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Buck W.

Yeah, GF2 was great. GF 3 was a dog.


19 posted on 06/22/2009 9:07:16 AM PDT by silverleaf ("Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal ( Martin Luther King))
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To: Oldpuppymax

Like I said, “A break from politics”


20 posted on 06/22/2009 9:07:22 AM PDT by RangerM (Gotz-ta git me sum of them internets!)
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To: RangerM

Now, if he was talking about Godfather III, he would have a point!


21 posted on 06/22/2009 9:10:16 AM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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To: RangerM
Fine, regardless of whether there was 1,2 or 3 Godfathers. How many movies would have made it to the studio, much less the script if it were exposing the radical Muslim culture.
Italians have been tainted with the perception of being ‘’connected’’ to an underworld evil empire. If you have a vowel at the end of your name, you're chances of being given a second look, but if your name is Mohammad or something that may imply your heritage to be of one of the Eastern countries you are considered a racist if you raise your eyebrows at the mention of the name. Hate crimes are never considered if the recipient is Italian or Irish, but have a Muslim get mugged and it's a hate crime. I have now concluded my Monday rant.
22 posted on 06/22/2009 9:10:54 AM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: theDentist

Seeing FFC’s daughter killed at the end of G3 was horrific - the only scene I can recall.


23 posted on 06/22/2009 9:13:20 AM PDT by elcid1970 (O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!)
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To: RangerM
Maybe somebody here can explain something about Godfather II that was never clear to me:

What exactly did Fredo do to help Hyman Roth and Johnny Ola set up the attempted hit on Michael in his house after the party?

24 posted on 06/22/2009 9:21:01 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Buck W.

I disagree. Michael was a man alone in his death. Only the cat is there. After his daughter got killed at the Opera (because of his business) that was the end of his family. Michael was also a terrible Godfather. He didn’t consider it to be “the family”, it was all about him. Evident when he tells tom Hagan he doesn’t want to kill everybody, only “his” enemies. For all his other faults. Fredo was right about the way Michael came to Vegas and tried to push out Moe Green (who is Bugsy Segal and built Las Vegas. The old man never would have done that.


25 posted on 06/22/2009 9:21:30 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: shadeaud

JMHO, Italians really don’t object to how they’re portrayed in the Godfather trilogy.

If you’re Italian, what’s wrong with everyone thinking you’re a bad dude not to be messed with? People then leave you alone with no additional effort on your part.

Muslims, OTOH, not only seek to inspire fear, they want to be worshipped as the really superior people the Koran says they are. When they’re not, they go berserk, as the Koran also commands them.


26 posted on 06/22/2009 9:22:15 AM PDT by elcid1970 (O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!)
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To: GreenHornet

When Johnny Ola is introduced to Michael, and Fredo is with him, Fredo says they’ve never met. Then when they go to see “Superman”, Fredo tells everyone that Johnny Ola told him about the place. That’s when Michael knows Fredo was doing stuff on the side with Ola.


27 posted on 06/22/2009 9:23:50 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: GreenHornet

He gave them certain information about Michael not thinking what he did would cause a hit. He wanted something for himself and was a duence and it showed.


28 posted on 06/22/2009 9:24:02 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: massgopguy
The subtext in the saga was the character flaws of all three Corleone sons. Sonny was strong but ill-tempered and reckless. Fredo was loyal to his father but weak. Michael was intelligent but vain. The tragedy was that these flaws led to their downfalls. And others in the family suffered from the flaws of these men.
29 posted on 06/22/2009 9:30:16 AM PDT by chimera
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To: Buck W.

Bingo.
Watching his daughter get shot in the gut made up for the hours of torture that preceded.


30 posted on 06/22/2009 9:33:02 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: GreenHornet

Fredo is more than likely the person that left the drapes open which signaled the room to the hit men. Plus of course whatever side dealings (probably promises to support Roth across the board) that made Roth decide to do the hit.


31 posted on 06/22/2009 9:36:06 AM PDT by razorboy
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To: Buck W.

Exactly! Godfather III was boring and too long. I fell asleep in the movie theater when I went to see it.


32 posted on 06/22/2009 9:36:27 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (If Randy Cunningham is in prison for corruption, then why isn't Diane Feinstein locked up as well?)
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To: Buck W.

G-III was beyond stupid, and Coppolla is too if he thinks that one should have been made.


33 posted on 06/22/2009 9:37:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama interfering in Israel but gives a green light to the mad mullahs to destroy Iranians.)
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To: elcid1970

I remember the scene where she was killed and then Michael dying outside and a small puppy yelping in surprise as he falls out of his chair.


34 posted on 06/22/2009 9:41:11 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Put your trust in God; but mind to keep your powder dry. - Oliver Cromwell)
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To: RangerM

Coppolla is wrong. GII is a materpiece.

The ‘prequel’ parts in Godfather II are what makes the movie great. He shows how a man can become evil. He shows a painful history. And the sets and the filming is amazing.


35 posted on 06/22/2009 9:47:00 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

In a real like parallel. Kim Jong Il turned over the family business of North Korea to his youngest son Kim Jong Un. Kim Jong Fredo will be sent to Cuba.


36 posted on 06/22/2009 9:47:38 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: razorboy
Fredo is more than likely the person that left the drapes open which signaled the room to the hit men. Plus of course whatever side dealings (probably promises to support Roth across the board) that made Roth decide to do the hit.

Thanks.

Also, it's assumed that Fredo then killed the two hit men who were found in the storm drain, which I found difficult to believe. In Godfather I, Fredo is completely ineffective when Solozza's men shot Vito Corleone as he was buying fruit. Fredo became completely unglued, fumbled around, dropped his gun, and was unable to do anything to protect his father. In Godfather II, we are led to believe that he managed to get to the two hit men before anyone else, and slit their throats (even though there were two of them, and they were armed with machine guns.)

37 posted on 06/22/2009 10:02:07 AM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: Buck W.

Only took two posts. Right you are.


38 posted on 06/22/2009 10:02:13 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: kidd

Loved G2. Watch it fairly often. The 3rd one, eh, not so much.


39 posted on 06/22/2009 10:03:48 AM PDT by ozaukeemom (It's Obama's fault.)
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To: GreenHornet

Maybe Fredo practiced, the hit on his father was the first time he was really involved in anything. He also might have had help.


40 posted on 06/22/2009 10:07:49 AM PDT by razorboy
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To: RangerM

I thought Apocalypse Now was one worth never making. It certainly wasn’t worth seeing.


41 posted on 06/22/2009 10:12:08 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

There are several movies that I just don’t understand the appeal. Apocalypse Now was one of them.


42 posted on 06/22/2009 10:17:15 AM PDT by RangerM (Gotz-ta git me sum of them internets!)
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To: RangerM

The posters are correct about Fredo’s involvement. That scene down in Cuba was where he gave himself away. I never did see how the two hit men were disposed of and who did that. And I’ve seen the movie many times. Godfather III was too convoluted with too many sub plots and much too involved with the blood bath in the hotel. That never made any real sense. Eli Wallach’s character was not believable.

I don’t get Coppola saying that the original Godfather was “shabby.” I don’t believe I have ever enjoyed a movie more than that one and was sorry to see it end.

The first Godfather was near perfection on so many levels. The music, the photography, the worldliness and sophistication of Brando’s character was beautiful. He figured it all out. I’ve often referred to that movie to understand the back stabbing that goes on in the real world when one never knows who their true enemies are.

Sadly, many of the actors have passed on. Sollazzo’s part was played by Al Lettieri who died at only age 47 in 1975. Ironically, it was the same age the character died in the film itself. Had a heart attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Lettieri


43 posted on 06/22/2009 10:52:35 AM PDT by RichardW
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I don’t get Coppola saying that the original Godfather was “shabby.” I don’t believe I have ever enjoyed a movie more than that one and was sorry to see it end.


I think it’s the difference between seeing a movie and making that same movie.

You only got to see the finished product after the editing, and the music and all the other post-production tricks have been added in to the mix.

Coppola got to live with the raw footage, and production difficulties on a daily basis. Not only did he manage to salvage what could have been a disaster, he ended up making a masterpiece for the ages.

But such is the nature of film. If movie-making were a science, they would follow the formula and we’d have 10 Godfather’s made every year. Instead, there is this intangible element where great performances, and great stories, and great photgraphy, editing etc. all come together for a brief moment in time.

But it probably was far from pretty while it was being made, so I think I can see where FFC is coming from.


44 posted on 06/22/2009 11:30:42 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: TR Jeffersonian

ping


45 posted on 06/22/2009 11:39:33 AM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: GreenHornet
Also, it's assumed that Fredo then killed the two hit men who were found in the storm drain, which I found difficult to believe.

I had never considered that. I just assumed that whoever helped the "hitters" gain access to the compound whacked them rather than attempt an extraction. Kinda like leaving somebody elses' "calling card" at the job.

46 posted on 06/22/2009 11:56:51 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Tallguy
Also, it's assumed that Fredo then killed the two hit men who were found in the storm drain, which I found difficult to believe.

I had never considered that. I just assumed that whoever helped the "hitters" gain access to the compound whacked them rather than attempt an extraction. Kinda like leaving somebody elses' "calling card" at the job.

I assumed that it was Fredo who killed them based on what Michael said to Tom Hagen immediately after the attempt on his life. Tom speculates that, if they catch the gunmen, maybe they can find out who was behind it. Michael replies: " Unless I'm very wrong, they're dead already.....killed by somebody close to us...very frightened that they botched it."

47 posted on 06/22/2009 12:21:48 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: RangerM
Call me a heretic, but I preferred it when Coppola cut the Godfather Saga for TV, which showed the Corleone saga in sequential order. The main problem with the first one is the cuts between the flashbacks of young Vito to the present day with Michael and Fredo. I also thought that DeNiro was the wrong choice to play young Vito.

Still, GFII works very well on its own, despite such drawbacks.

48 posted on 06/22/2009 12:24:44 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: catman67
"I especially like the remix called the Godfather Saga which taskes GFI and GFII and puts the scenes in chronological order, as well as splicing in additional footage."

Was that ever sold on DVD? I've never run across it in the used-DVD shops I frequent.

49 posted on 06/22/2009 12:27:44 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (will work for bailout bonus.... Twitter: maddawggmorgan)
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To: GreenHornet

Perhaps Michael’s brother-in-law, Carlo, had something to do with it? Can’t see weak little Fredo even giving the order, y’know?

Now I’m interested. Like I said, I hadn’t given much thought as to “the Who of it”.


50 posted on 06/22/2009 12:29:26 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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