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What a surprise -- liberal home-sellers are hypocrites
6/30/09 | soccermom

Posted on 06/30/2009 10:22:34 AM PDT by soccermom

OK, this is clearly a vanity post and not that earth-shattering, but I thought I would share it in light of the recent cap-and-trade news. We are currently in the process of buying a home from some liberal Obama devotees. We don't know them at all, but it is abundantly clear from their bumper stickers, buttons, Obama inaugural pens, books etc.

Anyway, in the home inspection process of the negotiations, we discovered that the home has high levels of radon which need to be mitigated. The sellers refuse to pay for this correction which would be, roughly, $900. Now this isn't a deal-breaker for us. We'll take care of this ourselves. I just found it ironic that, had this been a business, these people would be the first ones picketing and accusing the business of poisoning children etc. I also find it ironic that, had this idiotic cap-and-trade legislation - that I can only assume they embrace- been in effect right now, the government would have mandated them to fix the problem before they could sell the house.

Now, I'm not saying that is what I want. We are adults and we are perfectly content to negotiate this on our own -- let the market decide. I just find it hypocritical that the owners aren't willing to do what they will mandate on everyone else.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Science
KEYWORDS: capandtrade; environmentalist; hypocrites; obamalovers
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1 posted on 06/30/2009 10:22:34 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: soccermom

take $900 off your offer.


2 posted on 06/30/2009 10:24:32 AM PDT by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: soccermom
Not a dealbreaker? Why not? If anything, with this market, you should demand that every problem be fixed before you'll even consider a contract.

There's definitely an oversupply of houses out there that might be far more worthy of consideration as well.

3 posted on 06/30/2009 10:24:50 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: soccermom

Bingo: the difference between a leader and merely someone with a “position” can be described exactly that way.


4 posted on 06/30/2009 10:25:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: soccermom

Liberals are hypocrites, surely you jest?


5 posted on 06/30/2009 10:25:53 AM PDT by sticker
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To: soccermom

Buy the house, sue them for damages.


6 posted on 06/30/2009 10:26:38 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: soccermom
Hypocritical? Yes

Surprising? No

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

7 posted on 06/30/2009 10:26:46 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: soccermom

Tell them to piss off unless they cover half.

We did that back in 2000 for cracked bricks. They covered it.


8 posted on 06/30/2009 10:26:46 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: soccermom

Offer them $1500 less. Tell them that will cover the cost ($900) and the hassle to take care of it.


9 posted on 06/30/2009 10:26:56 AM PDT by avacado
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To: soccermom

“we discovered that the home has high levels of radon which need to be mitigated”

It takes a real liberal to buy into the Radon hoax.


10 posted on 06/30/2009 10:28:08 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: soccermom

Make them fix the radon, lower your price, or tell them to stuff it.


11 posted on 06/30/2009 10:28:16 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: soccermom

That’s because the $900 is their money not the taxpayer’s.


12 posted on 06/30/2009 10:28:52 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: soccermom

Surprised you’re willing to pay for it in this market.


13 posted on 06/30/2009 10:28:58 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: soccermom

Wait, on second thought, the radon might explain their liberal tendencies ;-)


14 posted on 06/30/2009 10:29:42 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: soccermom

If it was me, I’d string them along, waste their time, ask for reinspection of Termites if after 30 days from their inspection letter, ask them to provide certified proof all taxes are paid, provide any lien-waivers from work occurring on the home in the last 7 years, require proof of all utilities that they are current, etc. Then after they provide that, reduce the offer by $900 citing the problem....and then drop them from my memory....


15 posted on 06/30/2009 10:30:40 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: soccermom

Find another house. It appears that not only are you dealing with @ssholes, but they seem to be blissfully unaware that the policies they support have created a buyers market. Educate them!


16 posted on 06/30/2009 10:30:47 AM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: soccermom

900 bucks? You can’t get anything of substance done in the US for 900 dollars these days.

Also, the house will forever be linked to having a radon problem.

Unless you have your heart set on that particular house (and it is a screaming deal) just find another house. It is the best buyer’s market in 75 years!


17 posted on 06/30/2009 10:31:16 AM PDT by wrench
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To: DCBurgess58

tempting....believe me........


18 posted on 06/30/2009 10:32:49 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: soccermom
we discovered that the home has high levels of radon which need to be mitigated

Sounds like the home currently has high levels of brain-dead too. That will be mitigated when they move out ;)

19 posted on 06/30/2009 10:33:51 AM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: soccermom
As a home inspector my advise is to make them fix it. If you walk on the contract the sellers and realtor will have to disclose the high level to any other potential buyers and they will remediate or lower the price. It is very rare in our area that radon mitigation is not payed by the seller.
What was the radon level?
20 posted on 06/30/2009 10:35:10 AM PDT by virginia lurker
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To: wrench

$900 my arse.. Mitigation of Radon is much more expensive and is exponentially dictated by the degree of radon exposure. Even a generous mitigation quote would cost about $1800, and as much as $5000.

D-


21 posted on 06/30/2009 10:35:47 AM PDT by D521646
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To: virginia lurker

4.8 pCi/L

As I understand it, that isn’t terribly high but beyond the limit.


22 posted on 06/30/2009 10:38:46 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: soccermom

Gee. Wait till they need the approval of a Federal bureaucratic inspector in order to sell it. He’ll have to check all their windows & doors for air leakage and they have to fix them BEFORE they can sell the house. Oh...and his inspection will also include the appliances. IF any don’t meet the current energy conservation criteria, they’ll have to be upgraded too....all at their expense and before they can sell the house. (read the cap & trade debacle and weep).
I wonder how all that hopey/changey thingy will work for em then???


23 posted on 06/30/2009 10:39:55 AM PDT by lgjhn23
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To: CodeToad
It takes a real liberal to buy into the Radon hoax.

Here in SW Pennsylvania, a radon test is mandatory for a title transfer and, if the home doesn't pass, the problem has to be corrected and retested until it does pass to get a title transfer.

I really do not know enough to say whether radon is the claimed threat or not, but I do know that you shouldn't buy a house without a clear title transfer.

I got around the problem in North Dakota when I gave the buyer's a quit-claim deed. The law there was that he county had to accept a quit-claim deed as a title transfer after the buyers occupied it for three consecutive years. Thus, we were able to avoid the mandatory radon test quite legally.

24 posted on 06/30/2009 10:39:58 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: D521646

Yikes — well that is better to know before we close. Thanks for the input everyone.


25 posted on 06/30/2009 10:40:02 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: soccermom

How much will it cost to have a psychic come in to remove all the bad vibes left over from the Obamania of the previous occupants?


26 posted on 06/30/2009 10:42:34 AM PDT by basil ( It's time to eliminate all "Gun Free Zones")
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To: soccermom

Yeah after reading through your story and the first few comments I wouldn’t buy the house period...it IS a deal breaker on the merits of it being a poison...period. I lived up north and know the radon deal...but they should eat the cost...knock 900 off your offer.


27 posted on 06/30/2009 10:42:34 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: rabscuttle385

LOL


28 posted on 06/30/2009 10:43:26 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (An oath to a liar is no oath at all)
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To: soccermom
Unfortunately you might need some of these, too:


29 posted on 06/30/2009 10:44:35 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: soccermom

We bought a house with high radon levels back in the 80’s. We threatened to walk unless the sellers remedied the situation. The fix was originally thought to be a few hundred. Turned out to be around 1500 dollars. Make the sellers pay for it and make sure you get an independent retest.


30 posted on 06/30/2009 10:44:36 AM PDT by Queen of Excelsior
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To: soccermom

With all the inventory on the market, you’d even consider a house with “...... high levels of radon”?

Unless it was very special in some way, I’d run not walk from this deal....but your views of the liberal mindset are well taken. ;-D


31 posted on 06/30/2009 10:44:49 AM PDT by Daffynition ("If any of you die, can I please have your ammo?" ~ Gator113)
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To: lgjhn23

I know. That is what I find most ironic. I don’t know enough about Radon to know if it is a legit concern or more environmental hysteria. I just find it stunning that these people are devoted to a man who will make the home-selling process a living hell in the future. If it weren’t going to cost me anything to “teach them a lesson,” I would walk. But I’m not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. Interest rates are already going up — jumped 3/4 of a point from the time of our pre-qualification to now and I imagine the prices are going to start going up as Obama continues to screw with the economy. So I’m not going to start all over again.


32 posted on 06/30/2009 10:45:14 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: My Favorite Headache

;-)


33 posted on 06/30/2009 10:46:12 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: soccermom
At 4.8 if you never left your basement and smoked 3 packs a day you might get lung cancer. I have had readings up to 130. They discovered Radon in homes by a guy at a nuclear power plant up north. He was setting the radiation meters off when he came to work. They traced it back to his house which had a reading of over 2000. At that level you might get cancer.
34 posted on 06/30/2009 10:46:23 AM PDT by virginia lurker
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To: virginia lurker

Good to know. I feel a little better now. Thanks for the input.


35 posted on 06/30/2009 10:49:28 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: Vigilanteman

That sucks. Radon is nothing but a total and complete scam so sellers of those fans and testing can get more money on every home sale.

I bet if we introduced a passage into an environmental bill that said no device may be installed that removes air from the home to help prevent CO in the atmosphere from the additional utilities the environmental wackos would go for it and this radon scam would go away once and for all.

Radon is another example of the sick joke our government has become. The EPA backed the Radon scam as no doubt people within the EPA were paid off or emotionally believed in it as liberals, but now the EPA has backed off mandatory testing. They can’t seem to simply disclaim it as they are afraid they have already put their mouth in it.

The EPA is a useless taxpayer welfare state.


36 posted on 06/30/2009 10:49:52 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Lockbar

lol


37 posted on 06/30/2009 10:51:23 AM PDT by soccermom
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To: Gaffer

Yikes, Gaffer! I’m emailing you before I buy my next house!!

(So, you a fisherman or film type of Gaffer?)


38 posted on 06/30/2009 10:52:51 AM PDT by LittleBillyInfidel (''If you look good and speak well, people will buy anything.'' - Criswell in ED WOOD.)
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To: soccermom

Most states consider radon problems need to be remediated by the seller. That is the normal position, but if the seller can negotiate you to pay for it, all the better for them. I wouldn’t let them do it (particularly since they are libs and should be looking after your welfare!).


39 posted on 06/30/2009 10:53:00 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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Tell them that, based on the bumperstickers, buttons, pens, etc. that you’ve seen them sporting, it’s clear the radon gas in the house has affected their mental capabilities and muddled their thinking. Tell them you will not put yourself in harm’s way until they recognize there is a problem and pay to have it resolved.

(above assumes you don’t care about losing the house, but hey, it’s a buyer’s market...)

;-)


40 posted on 06/30/2009 10:58:24 AM PDT by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: soccermom

Radon is a scam anyway, just like global warming.


41 posted on 06/30/2009 11:10:10 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: soccermom

Call the cops... attempted murder. Seriously, you’re talking about paying for added ventilation of the foundation system. You may need an active ventilation system under the house. It could get expensive... get 3 quotes from licenced contractors and present these to the sellers.. have them pay half.


42 posted on 06/30/2009 11:15:21 AM PDT by Mashood
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The radon in the home is just over 10X the background level in the atmosphere. Here's the health risks. The seller is attempting to sell a defective house. Remediation involves patching and sealing foundation work. That's usually more than $900.
43 posted on 06/30/2009 11:24:25 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: soccermom

Drop your offer. If they want to sell, they’ll bite.


44 posted on 06/30/2009 11:51:03 AM PDT by Sarajevo (You jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: soccermom

Not a deal breaker, in this market? You jest! Bleed the libtards.


45 posted on 06/30/2009 11:55:13 AM PDT by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: lgjhn23

And after complying with the proposed federal mandates, the radon problem will be more severe due less air circulation.


46 posted on 06/30/2009 12:01:27 PM PDT by monocle
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To: basil

I’m Catholic, so we’ll just have our parish priest exorcise it -— that’s free isn’t it? We tithe regularly. ;-)


47 posted on 06/30/2009 1:46:59 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: soccermom

I don’t know if it’s free or not, but being a Catholic myself, I think they will charge you—LOL!


48 posted on 06/30/2009 1:56:19 PM PDT by basil ( It's time to eliminate all "Gun Free Zones")
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To: grellis
I'm sure it could be a deal-breaker. But, in fairness, they had made quite a few concessions before it got to that point, so we're not pushing it. They're paying most all the closing costs, agreed to fix everything else on the list, and agreed to sell it for well under the appraised value. The main reason I posted this was just to highlight their hypocrisy on the environmental issue -- not to whine. I know we can walk if we want to.
49 posted on 06/30/2009 2:14:32 PM PDT by soccermom
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To: CodeToad

Radon and global warming.....both scams.....

Wasn’t this radon thing based on some study done in a coal mine in China?


50 posted on 06/30/2009 2:50:50 PM PDT by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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